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Faceoff Edition 1: Dwayne Bowe vs. Vincent Jackson

Being Chiefs fans, we all know how it is not to get any real national exposure. We see our players snubbed from top x lists all the time, snubbed from probowls, snubbed from the All-Pro lists. In this post, I'm going to compare one of our players to another player that the media or casual football fan deems "better". Here we go...

A few weeks ago I was serving one of my tables at work. The guy had a Chargers tattoo on his arm, which isn't uncommon here in Southern Cali. We got to talking and it turns out this guy was a pretty big San Diego fan, who was for the most part pretty knowledgeable about his team. One thing he said though really pissed me off, and I just couldn't let it go, even weeks later: "Listen man, I don't care if he caught 15 touchdowns last season, Bowe is not better than Jackson!" This inspired me to take a look into each of these players careers and determine statistically who was better. 

I know a lot of people outside of KC don't know much about Bowe. They don't care about his first two seasons and how he broke 2,000 yards and 12 touchdowns. And why should they? We won only four, and two games respectively in his first two years. He wasn't relevant because our team wasn't relevant. In 2009 he started out in Todd Haley's doghouse when he showed up to training camp out of shape. Later in the year he was suspended four games for using a diuretic, and had only 600 receiving yards and 4 touchdowns. 2010 however, the Chiefs offense finally began functioning and Bowe had his breakout year, catching 72 passes for 1,162 yards (career high), and 15 touchdowns (career high/league leading). 

So far in his career, Dwayne Bowe has caught 275 passes for 3,768 yards and 31 touchdowns. How does Vincent Jackson match up? Follow me after the jump.

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Jackson was selected in the second round of the 2005 draft by the San Diego Chargers. Playing with Drew Brees, Jackson posted 3 receptions for 59 yards and no touchdowns. Brees was let go by the Chargers the following season and Philip Rivers took over as quarterback. The Chargers posted one of the best seasons in recent memory going 14-2. Jackson caught 27 passes for 453 yards and 6 touchdowns as the third option in the passing game behind Antonio Gates and Keenan McCardell. Although the next season he had more receptions (41), yards (623), he cut his touchdowns in half, scoring only three.

The next two seasons Vincent Jackson posted quality numbers for a receiver, posting over 2,220 yards and 16 touchdowns, becoming the first Charger receiver since 2001 to have over a thousand yards receiving. 

In 2010 however, the wideout held out most of the season, appearing in five games catching 14 receptions for 248 yards and only three touchdowns.

Let's see how these stats compare with Bowe's: 

Jackson: 212 receptions, 3,648 yards and 28 touchdowns. 

Bowe: 278 receptions, 3,768 yards and 31 touchdowns. 

For the most part they look pretty similar right? Let's throw in another factor: Games played. 

Dwayne Bowe has appeared in 59 games. Vincent Jackson has appeared in 76 games. Jackson has played 17 more games than Bowe, which equates to a full season, plus another game. So Bowe beats Jackson out in receptions, yards and touchdowns despite playing with less games. 

If that's not enough, let's throw in another factor: Who were their quarterbacks?

In 2006 when Dwayne Bowe was drafted, he started off right in the middle of a quarterback controversy: Brodie Croyle vs. Damon Huard. As we all know, neither of these guys were the answer. In 2008, one of the more strange years for us Chiefs fans, we saw Bowe play with Tyler Thigpen. In 2009 the Chiefs traded a second rounder for quarterback Matt Cassel, who Bowe has easily had his most success with.

Jackson, on the other hand, has played with Drew Brees and Philip Rivers. Both quarterbacks are considered elite, and are included in most top ten, if not top five, lists. Let's take a look at their stats during the years our receivers played with them:

Chiefs quarterbacks: 2338 attempts, 1348 completions, 13,069 yards, 82 touchdowns and 61 interceptions. That would give them a measly 57% completion rating, and an overall quarterback rating of 74.2.

Chargers quarterbacks: 2947 attempts, 1,882 completions, 23,204 yards, 159 touchdowns and 73 interceptions. That would give them a solid 63% completion rating and an overall quarterback rating of 95.77. 

Statistically, even the quarterback play blows them out of the water. Overall this shows that during the span of each careers, Jackson consistently played with better quarterbacks. 

One more final stat we're gonna take a look at is total offensive stats and how each team was ranked that season. This shows how balanced the teams were. If the offense is performing at a high level, the receiver should also be functioning at a high level.

2010- Chargers #1, Chiefs #12

2009- Chargers #10, Chiefs #25

2008- Chargers #11, Chiefs #24

2007- Chargers #20, Chiefs #31

 

Statistically, the Chargers have had not only the better quarterback play year after year, but also the better offense. So I ask you AP, if you had to decide would you rather have this guy: 

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or this guy:

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This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Bowe

I’m being serious with I say I’m not being a homer on this one.

1. Jackson has Rivers throwing to him his whole career. I don’t care who you are if you have a premier QB throwing you the ball you have more chances.

2. Bowe makes the better “spectacular” catches.

3. He hasn’t held out.

4. I would rather have a few more drops but get the better athlete.

by Chiefsfan85 on Sep 3, 2011 7:48 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Bowe has done more without a great QB

Jackson has done less with a great QB… Tough choice

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 3, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

meh

Jackson’s also had fewer receptions … that’s not necessarily his fault

Jackson averages 1 TD every 7.57 receptions
Bowe averages 1 TD every 8.96 receptions

by THAT measure Jackson is clearly as good or better than Bowe …

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by upamtn on Sep 3, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Holy Crap...

Why couldn’t you have done this before my fantasy draft. I picked Jackson :(

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by MarineChiefsFan on Sep 3, 2011 8:15 AM CDT reply actions  

That's ok

ask to see the drop stats in comparison between the two and you might find that you have the better player anyway.

Bowe’s turning things around with Haley’s help, but I doubt he has the numbers he put up last season. I don’t think last year was a fluke, but I’m ready to see what Bowe does now that he isn’t the only option and against much better defenses.

2011 hopefuls: Being competitive and whooping the holy poop out of the AFC West.

by shotty on Sep 3, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't find the full drop stats

Over the last three seasons Bowe was in the bottom percentage, which I’ll admit isn’t good.

by SoCalChief17 on Sep 3, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not a big fan of Bowe

I really like the post and I love the enthusiasm! I completely agree (and admit never really thinking about it), that the QB play is vastly in favor of SD, and Bowe has still managed good things while paired with lesser talent.

However, I absolutely hate all the missed opportunities through drops and lack of focus that Bowe has brought to the table in clutch games.

Under Haley Bowe’s blossoming though, so we’ll see how he operates this season with a contract year and added WR help to free him up. He has all the potential in the world, just needs to prove he’s reliable when we need him most.

Then he can be paired against the likes of Vincent Jackson. And with the lesser QB play and numbers he’s amassed, Bowe would definitely win that battle IMO.

2011 hopefuls: Being competitive and whooping the holy poop out of the AFC West.

by shotty on Sep 3, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very good write up

Anxiously anticipating Malcolm Floyd vs Jerheme Urban. ;)

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by KC_Satchmo on Sep 3, 2011 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

How'd you know that was the next one?

=P

In all seriousness though, I’d take nominations on the next one if anyone would like to throw some names out there.

by SoCalChief17 on Sep 3, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Weddle vs Berry maybe?

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by KC_Satchmo on Sep 3, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bowe for all the reasons 85 gave and then some

The only thing to offset some of the stats is that, arguably, Bowe has been the only solid target for the Chiefs, while the elite QB’s of SD had mulitple consistent targets, so the ball was spread more evenly during the years of comparison.

I most like the Bowe hasn’t held out point.

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by WorL4Chiefs on Sep 3, 2011 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't think he held out

he was just late to camp because he was a top pick. Had to wait to get bracketed

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by MarineChiefsFan on Sep 3, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

no, he just got hisself suspended for a few games ...

brilliant, huh ;-)

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by upamtn on Sep 3, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was picked 23rd...

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by ArrowSpread on Sep 3, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most first rounders hold out?

That doesn’t sound accurate either.

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by ArrowSpread on Sep 3, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm at work now

But I’ll look it up later. I’m willing to bet most first round picks have missed time in TC because of their contract.

by SoCalChief17 on Sep 3, 2011 1:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can see how someone would make the point that Bowe was the primary object of the receiving game

But then again you can make the point against it. If you put 2 guys on Bowe who else are they going to throw it to? More options in the passing game opens up single coverage.

by SoCalChief17 on Sep 3, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not quite accurate that Bowe has been the primary target his whole career. There was this dude named Tony something during Bowe’s first two seasons.

While Bowe put up good numbers; 70 catches, 995 yards, and 5 TDs in 2007, and 86 catches, 1022 yards and 7 TDs in 2008,

Tony G. put up 99 carches, 1172 yards, and 5 TDs in 2007, and 96 catches, 1,058 yards, and 10 TDs in 2008.

by Warpainted on Sep 4, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice comparison.

But I hope Bowe doesn’t read this. He may have a hard time staying humble.

Ancora imparo.

by midcalchief on Sep 3, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I think you’re comparing two players careers rather than their actual abilities…

Both players are arguably playing their best football of the careers (So far for all we know) right now. It’s hard to compare games played Jackson never really reached his full potential until two seasons ago, his 5th season in the league. Before that Jackson was just allright. Bowe, on the other hand, had a great rookie and sophmore campaign as well as a great 2010 year. Obviously, Bowe will have less games played, he’s been in the league two years less, and started the whole time. Jackson on the other might have played in more games, but never started until his 3rd year whereas Bowe started his first season, and as the Chiefs #1 target. Games played isn’t that great of a measurement because players who their whole careers have been backups like Jackson or Miles Austin can breakout in any year.

Your agrument seems to be who will have the better career, which at this pace will likely be Bowe, not who is better at this moment as I’m sure your arguement was based on…

A better agruement is that V. Jackson is a year away from any decent amount of playing time, and Bowe is coming off his hottest year, theres no way of knowing Jackson will return to 2009 form.

by stash600 on Sep 4, 2011 12:23 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Thank you

I posted before reading this comment. My thoughts exactly. You can’t compare the number of games both have played. Jackson was VERY rough coming into the league from a Division II school and his stats the first two years as a Pro show it. Both are monsters. I see more of VJax so I can’t help but awe at the monster he has become. He’s fast, strong, tall (giant), has good hands, runs great routes, and is a brutal blocker. He and Rivers have a telepathy that’s amazing. He works hard and has turned himself into the consummate professional. In my mind, only Calvin, Andre, and Fitzgerald are better WRs right now.

by SDreal on Sep 20, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Bowe and Jackson switched places, would it change things? It would probably expose Bowe as clearly superior. Rivers has proven that he can be effective with just about any nfl receiver.

For the reason that Rivers makes receivers look better than they are, and Bowe has had to work for it more to overcome a less capable QB, Bowe gets the nod.

That being said, if you want to look at what matters most, namely “who is the superior tandem?”, I have to say Rivers to Jackson wins.

by ObjectiveObserver on Sep 4, 2011 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Rivers to Jackson wins, sure

But not because of Jackson. Like you said, put Bowe with Rivers and you’re probably going to have a much more superior tandem then Rivers/Jax. Not stirring the pot with a whole Cassel isn’t a good QB topic again, but he’s not Rivers.

by SoCalChief17 on Sep 4, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Poor comparison. Bowe was a high pick and a primary target right off the bat. Jackson was a third round project who was really rough and most people thought AJ reached for him. Jackson took several years to develop and that’s why it’s not fair to simply compare how many games the two played in. By your own statistics, he caught 3 passes his first year. Not really indicative of someone the team had any faith in. His second year, when the Chargers went 14-2, Jackson only caught 27 passes. An aging Keenan McCardell was above him in the depth chart. If the purpose of your article was to determine who IS better, you didn’t go about it the right way. When I consider who is better, it’s who do I think will have a better year. It’s hard to argue Bowe will have a better year than Jackson. And in my opinion, Jackson is faster, a better route runner, has better hands, and is a better blocker than Bowe. And he has a better QB throwing him the ball. Even with all of the options that Rivers has, he finds a way to get the ball to Jackson. Jackson, you’ll find, has one of the highest yards per reception in the NFL over the last few years. When he’s targeted, he makes the most of his plays. Bowe is very good. But I’d take Jackson over him any day.

by SDreal on Sep 20, 2011 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

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