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Our First Controversy Over Michael Holley's New Book, "War Room"

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As I've hinted around here recently, author Michael Holley has written a new book called "War Room" that is sort of a sequel to his best-seller "Patriot Reign", which is set for an early November release. The book follows New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick, Atlanta Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff and Kansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli for a year and delves into their relationships and philosophies as the leading men in their respective organizations.

I've read every word of the book and it's an outstanding read. It hasn't been released yet but we already have some controversy coming out over one passage in particular. Holley was at the Chiefs playoff game against the Baltimore Ravens and wrote this about halftime of that game: 

From page 255 of the book:

"Pioli stands near the press-box elevators. His face is red, and he has so many thoughts about the missed opportunities in the first half that he doesn't have a complete sentence for what he just saw. Downstairs in the locker room, things are more verbal. Haley is upset that the Chiefs' Pro Bowl receiver, Dwayne Bowe, wasn't targeted more. He caught seventy-two balls in the regular season, fifteen of them for touchdowns, but he was completely shut out in the first half. Haley thinks some of it was on the Ravens' defense, some of it was Bowe, and some of it was squarely on Weis. But as much as he disagreed with some of the things Weis was calling, Haley knew that there couldn't be any in-game switching. On offense, at least, this was Weis's game to call."

I read every page of the book, including that passage, and I never interpreted any section of the book as GM Scott Pioli getting involved in the playcalling decision, or telling Haley that Weis has to call the plays. 

810 WHB's Kevin Kietzmann read this same section over the air yesterday, and came away with a totally different interpretation than I did.

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Kietzmann says: "This is very important because you have to ask yourself: How in the world were the Chiefs in a playoff game last year against the Ravens at Arrowhead Stadium, with a lame duck offensive coordinator, that had usurrped the power of the head coach, and the head coach couldn't change anything at halftime."

Kietzmann suggests that it was Pioli who dictated to Haley that Weis call the plays the rest of the game, which is where the controversy lies. Here's what Kietzmann said:

"Really? Who's rules would that be [that Weis would call the plays]? There's only one person who could have those rules and that is Scott Pioli. That indicates to me -- again, I don't have confirmation, I didn't talk to Scott Pioli and he's not going to tell me -- but if you look at this, this isn't even reading between the lines. If you think about what happened, and we know Weis couldn't be jacked with on that day, that wouldn't be Haley's rule. Weis is a lame duck. He's an employee that's leaving. He's already said he's going to Florida.

"This is Scott Pioli meddling with the head coach, and a coordinator, saying this is how it's going to be. Weis gets the game plan, he calls the plays, that's that. That's that. 'Haley, you can't do anything about it.'

"If you're wondering if Todd Haley is going to make it through the season, I'm going to say emphatically no, based solely on that paragraph in this new book that came out. Scott Pioli talking to this author, and allowing him to write these things, is nothing good for the Kansas City Chiefs. It's impossible to find anything good about this."

And later, Kietzmann says: "The guy (Weis) had already quit, and Pioli went in and said, "Weis has got this one Haley. Don't mess with it."

That's Kietzmann's interpretation, but not the author's. Holley went on 610 Sports with Bob Fescoe and Josh Klingler Wednesday morning and clarified that section of the book.

"That chapter has kind of been distorted and misunderstood," Holley said on 610. "Somebody sent me a tweet yesterday, a fan. I can't remember his handle on Twitter, but he has a picture of Todd Haley right there, so I think he's a big Todd Haley fan and Chiefs fan. I think he's a Chiefs and Orioles fan. [Editor's note: Holley is referring to the Twitter user @Chiefsandosfan.]

"[The person on Twitter] says, 'They're reading your book on the radio.' And I said, 'Who's reading the book?' And I guess it's your competition (810 WHB) was reading a galley copy of the book on the radio.

"He says, 'I can't believe Scott Pioli took playcalling power from Todd Haley. I said, 'Wait a minute, that's not in the book. What are you talking about?' A couple other people sent me tweets on that so I went back to where I thought they were talking about and, if you don't mind, I'd like to read that part to you."

Fescoe interjects: "So you're saying it was misrepresented yesterday?" 

Holley responds: "Misrepresented is being kind. I would call it a flat-out fabrication."

Holley then re-read on the air the same section I posted above, the same section Kietzmann read on 810 WHB yesterday, and continues.

"A few things here," Holley said after reading that section over the air. "I was in the press box for the first half of that playoff game. I saw Scott Pioli near the press box on his way to the bathroom and I'm asking him about the first half and his face is red because it's cold outside and because he's upset. He really couldn't articulate his frustration, so I said, 'See ya later, Scott.' I left.

"Later, I had an interview with Todd Haley. He's giving me the information about the locker room. Haley is upset with Weis, he's upset with the score and just the tenor of the game at that point. But Todd Haley, who I like very much by the way and was very helpful during this process, Todd Haley would not take away playcalling from Charlie Weis because that's good leadership. It's not because Scott Pioli is telling Haley that Charlie Weis has to call the plays."

Fescoe asks for a clarification: "So Scott Pioli never told Todd Haley that Charlie Weis had to call the plays and there's nothing he could do about it?"

Holley's response: "Absolutely not."

Maybe it's a matter of interpretation and Kietzmann just interpreted it in a way that Holley didn't intend but I saw it the same way Holley did. I never took from that section the idea that Pioli somehow forced Haley to stick with Weis as the playcaller. 

Early November for the book. Chiefs fans will absolutely love it.

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I can't wait for this book

Rodney Hudson will play Guard.
Jon Asamoah will be starting center by week 5

by Jazzy Megalodon on Sep 21, 2011 12:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Looking Forward to this Book

Listened to this radio interview when I got to work and thought it was really good.

by Spiderwomn69 on Sep 21, 2011 12:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Another conspiracy theory...

But good read, and rec’d

"The essence of greatness is the perception that virtue is enough." -RWE
"To want to prohibit a man from error is to forbid him to fulfill his own existence..."
-Simone de Beauvoir

by KC Conundrum on Sep 21, 2011 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't get it

Didn’t Weis ALWAYS call the plays? When would the playcalling duties been stripped from Haley, when he wasn’t calling the plays in the first place?

by craig in calgary on Sep 21, 2011 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes

Kietzmann was suggesting that Pioli forced him to have Weis call the plays, which the author said was inaccurate.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 21, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Basically

Kietzmann took from that, that Haley wanted to take over the playcalling duties because he was frustrated with Weis (and others) at halftime. Kietzmann suggested that Haley couldn’t do that because Pioli told him he couldn’t. That’s where the author disagrees — Pioli never got involved in the playcalling decision.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 21, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ thank you!

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you think that is true..

I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.

I love the Chiefs, but it’s pretty clear the front office is bordering on dysfunctional at this point. Sometimes we need to be realistic, and not just homers.

Weis was brought in by Pioli, but he left because he couldn’t get along with Haley. It was pretty obvious that was the case when Haley benched Cassel in the Titans game last year.

by jjbjhawk on Sep 21, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

what's clear is that the players execution on the field is dysfunctional right now

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

what's even more hilarious is someone calling ME a "homer"

being a newbie to the site I suppose that’s almost understandable …

oh, and contrary to rumors, we really DID land a man on the moon

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

We didn't land on the moon silly

Why do you think Buzz Aldrin is so coo-coo for cocoa puffs?

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you should call Buzz a liar, to his face....

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

No way!

Dude is six thousand years old and still a badass. They chose those guys for a reason.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look up Buzz Aldrin Punch on Youtube...

Can’t get there from work or I’d post the link.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

will do!

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

hah wow

Little dumbshit called Buzz Aldrin a coward and a liar to his face, and got his ass beat for it.

By a guy 60 years older than him.

That’s awesome.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

c'mon now....

Let’s be a little objective here. Haley took Cassel out for the remainder of a series during the Titans game last year. Cassel was starting to listen to Weis more than Haley, so Haley reminded Cassel who’s in charge. Then, the week after the game, Weis announced he was leaving the NFL for a college position (and the same position – OC). This was the straw that broke the camel’s back for Weis. Ever since then, the Chiefs have been beyond bad. They have been awful.

If you think the product on the field so far is just due to “bad luck”, maybe I have some more ocean front property in Arizona (great George Strait song by the way) to sell. Yes, the ACL injuries to Moeaki, Berry, and Charles are devastating, but it’s pretty clear this team is in disarray. You don’t lose your last 4 regular season/playoff games in the fashion they have and not have organizational problems.

While I think a lot of the blame should go to Haley (especially for the powerpuff preseason he ran), I think it’s starting to become apparent that Pioli may not be quite the guru we thought he was. His 2009 draft is turning into one of the worst drafts in team history. I’m afraid to admit it, but Whitlock may have been right all along.

I’m not saying Pioli should be fired; I think he deserves a couple more years. But, I’m starting to wonder if he rode Belichick’s coattails to the executive of the decade award.

by jjbjhawk on Sep 21, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still don't see how any of this can be related to Pioli or Haley

Just made up stuff that has not been substantiated in any way. Except stupid people who can’t read like the guy in this article who keep making stuff up…

Bad Luck has to do with injuries. AND with the Demoralizing affects they have but that are not talked about.

Before the start of the season you lose your #2 Reciever (Baldwin, He was, don’t think he wasn’t, just like Bowe was the 5th last year). Then we lose our #2 pass catcher (Moeaki, who caught twice as much as the next player). Already you know some of the players are down about those issues and can see the fact that the team is not quite what they wanted it to be. Then in the first series of the first game we fumble the football and then loose our best defensive player (or Hali) for the year. Next game we lose Charles. Are you kidding me! We almost ran for 100 yards in teh 1st quarter of the game against the lions, as soon as Charles went down, the air was let out of the ballon.

The Chiefs are young and are basically still kids, these kind of losses are very hard to deal with, especially in light of last year when we had no injuries. We have no depth yet and the players know that. None of this is a supprise, just the pains of a bad luck season.

Look at the Colts, imagine if they lost Peyton Manning and Dallas Clark and Dwight Freeney. That’s where we are now.

Pick the Best Offensive and Defensive player on any team in the NFL and take them out for the year along with the #3 key producer on offense and their #1 pick from the last draft (that is also at a crucial position). Not many teams are going to perform very well. Neither are we.

by Skrappy on Sep 21, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sometimes we should be realists, and not just speculators....

The people you’re calling homers are going by what the Chiefs themselves say, and what they see with their own eyes. You, unless you’re in the locker room and/or front office, are going off of pure speculation.

That said, if you really ARE in the locker room and/or front office, I’d love to hear more from you :)

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

me, a homer ... I'm still laffin' at that one

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're a hater's hater :)

Just shows the mental gymnastics human brains are capable of, I guess. Humans are cool.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey if Cali falls into the ocean

There very well could be ocean front property in Mexico

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Arizona Bay!

(learn to swim)

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

that'll never happen

when The Big One hits everything east of the San Andreas Fault will fall into the Atlantic

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Californians will say they finally cleaned up America's pollution.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

and justifiably so, of course ;-)

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish some wacko conservative grad student would do a paper

studying whether California’s bankruptcy has actually cushioned the recession’s effect on the rest of the country because they can’t currently fund as many of the stupid laws or stupid lawsuits they typically use as a drag on us sane folks.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

yanno, that’s really one of the biggest problems I see … similar to what Slappy said a bit ago about “legends”

conservatives (or perhaps neo-cons) aren’t proposing what works, they don’t seem to care about anything that doesn’t fit their THEORY … which is a hoot because it always used to be that the very definition of “conservatism” was “whatever is based in reality”

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah Neo-Cons suck

Obama is a defining member currently, but nobody seems to care.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Conservative...Liberal....

I’m the guy with the cash, you’ll do what I say.

I usually lean republican, but ALL of their candidates I’ve heard this year seem to be all for de-regulation….after the last five years of economic comedy…..holy crap. I don’t think I’ve ever said this on here before, but :(

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, no.

Federal Reserve, yes. Regulation, no. Unless you mean all the built-in loopholes through the little regulation that was in place, or the archaic regulation that didn’t account for the current state of globalization.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes Regulation as well

Federal Reserve regulation has led to our economic collapse and “Too Big To Fail” banks, now you want the same people to make more of these very same regulations? No thanks I’m good on all of that.

Banks should not be given an avenue to more power that regulations provide.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, different regulations....

I’m in favor of regulations that PREVENT banks from getting that kind of power. NOT regulations that are made up by the bankists themselves.

There used to be some of those good regulations, until a couple of rounds of de-regulation….

That’s the kind of de-regulation that I think of when I hear our current candidates talk. The baaaad kind of de-regulation.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you name some of this deregulation?

Because I’ve never heard of it, all I’ve heard are more regulations on top of regulations. Regulations for our regulations before there was de-regulations.

Who do you think regulates the Banks? Ding ding ding Federal Reserve. Oh you want the politicians to make regulations? There owned by the big banks as well, and a lot of that money is going to Obama who decides whether to sign or veto a bill into law in the first place.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I don't know how long you've been around,

but I’m thinking of the stuff that started in the late ’70s – early ’80s, that ultimately inspired the movie Wall Street.

I was around then but pretty young, so I just have a general impression of that time line of the financial de-regulation and results of that through the ’90s. But one specific example would be the G-S repeals.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

The repeal of the G-S act wasn't enough IMO

If we truly had a free market then banks wouldn’t act risky, because if they did we wouldn’t bail them out when they needed more money.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the chaos of minimal regulation, folks go with the more

honorable business, because it exceeds anything any regulator could cook up to make sure there is no sin and the world is perfect. Fact is, we’re flawed. The world is flawed. Business lives or dies on REPUTATION much more than on perfect regulation.

Some real common sense regulations should be enforced. The social engineering stuff needs to go away. The best engineer of good society is a free market, no matter what ups thinks, and I think people miss this, because the moral principle guiding a free market is that none of us have a right to tell folks how to run their lives, and that has nothing to do with high-sounding ideals about the common good.

Unproven and unprovable theorem: The common good is best served by protecting the rights of the individual. All the rest is distraction.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Sep 21, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

The irony, to me, is that complex regulatory webs are the FRIEND of all the worst things we think of when we engage in business bashing.

The complex regulations favor the big boys, every time, no matter HOW you try to perfect your laws and your enforcement. In fact, the more you try to perfect it, the farther you get from your goals.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Sep 21, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

There used to be 100s of airlines in this country.

A few big ones decided to push out the competition with regulations, and the regulations we “enjoyed” for decades created a situation where a small handful got too big to fail. Car companies. Check.

Name your industry. The free-for-all for my dollars invariably ends up being absorbed by a handful of giant amoebae, and “enlightened” people think the answer is more of the same government intervention is the cure for the distortions created by … government intervention.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Sep 21, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

The professor be schoolin children

Class in session, when he talks you listen ;-)

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 22, 2011 3:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, you need to get your facts straight!

The Federal Reserve does not legislate or regulate. That is the function of Congress—they make the laws, and are responsible for the regulations that are established to enforce the laws. The biggest problem in this country is that most of its citizens don’t know how their government works, so they are susceptible to all kinds of bullshit posited by by those actually responsible for the mess—our Congressmen.

Ancora imparo.

by midcalchief on Sep 21, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol and you don't know enough about the Federal Reserve

They are independent of our government and do what they want for the most part. Keep interest rates high and the amount of money banks need to hold low.

They self-audit as well so the public and congress is also kept unawares.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh good grief.

The Fed has its faults, but it’s not the big bogeyman Ron Paul makes it out to be. and by the way, interest rates are now at historic lows, and its the banks holding on to their cash, not the Fed. Again, get your information (you’ll notice I didn’t say fact) straight. Also, this is a Chiefs site, not a political board.

Ancora imparo.

by midcalchief on Sep 21, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually it is

The Fed created the housing bubble which created our financial crisis.

Interest rates aren’t supposed to be at “historic lows” lol, its called price fixing and that’s what leads to economic ruin.

The Fed quite literally controls fiscal and monetary policy. They’re the reason this country has faced and is facing two great Depressions, so please sir get your facts straight.

Also who cares if its a Football site? And? I didn’t realize freedom of speech was restricted on where you are at any given time.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem is giving so much power to so few.

Just takes 1 guy screwing-up to screw it up for everybody. Doesn’t matter how noble the original intent or how enlightened the one guy is, if the next guy isn’t.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Sep 21, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep pretty much

But then that’s the nature of all governments, “power in the hands of few”

Which is why I’m for smaller government, less centralized government power means less power for big business and more rights for you and me.

Shoot if the States actually functioned like the Constitution intended we’d have 51 different types of governments across the US, from Socialism to Republics to Democracies all connected by one single Democratic-Republic and everyone would be happier anyway.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 22, 2011 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just go Ron Paul man

He is the only middle ground…….Socially all the way liberal, fiscally he wont spend an unnecessary dime, plus he will restore the dollar, and do away with the IRS, and every other inefficient government program

by Kblomfiee on Sep 21, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'age for RP

The only man who predicted this crisis is the only one that can save us from complete collapse.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh, everybody with a brain saw this coming.

House prices were already obviously ridiculous ten years ago.

But out of all the people who could see it coming, quite a few figured they could profit before it happened if they just pushed a little bit farther…. And everybody else just had the “eh, won’t happen to me” mindset.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tell that to ever mainstream economist and politician out there because they didn't

see it coming, they were blissfully unaware and thought we were par for the course

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also add to that list the Regulators and Federal Reserve chairmen

They were the guys we pay to actually keep us out of financial ruin lol

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ron Paul is fine in most things,

but he still believes in isolationism. Fatal flaw there. Of course, pretty much every candidate nowadays has at least one fatal flaw. Most can be traced back to them not really working for the people. Ron Paul’s shortcomings are at least honest opinions instead of purchased ones, so that’s a major point for him.

I’d be real interested to see a Ross Perot type run today.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

He doesn't believe in isolationism

He just believes in non-interventionism, two very different things.

Basically he wants us to stop war mongering, but won’t restrict trade to other countries because that hinders a free market.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

I like the “Walk softly, but carry a big stick” motto. Unfortunately it was a slogan that implied we could tell South America what to do.

I think the shortest, best path to world government would be for us to just freely trade and defend what is ours. Somebody wants us to kill people for ‘em, well, we only do that in defense of our own states. Want to join, and play by our rules? Cool. Don’t want to? Then we have no right to kill anybody on your behalf.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Sep 21, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Instead of a "Big Stick"

Ron Paul would carry a “Big Pen

Diplomacy>>>>>>>>>>War/Death any day of the week. It sickens me the way politicians, Republicans especially but I don’t exclude Democrats, associate Diplomacy and Peace with “Weakness”. Its like, unless you’re killing somebody you’re doing it wrong. Truly makes me smh.

Though I don’t know if that path leads to World Governement maybe you misspoke? I don’t remember 1984 having a lot of peace and defense in it.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 22, 2011 3:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

this makes too much sense

therefore, it will be ignored among a lot of haley haters

by worc on Sep 21, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

He goes into the Haley/Weis friction

And says it was real. He talked to Haley and Weis about it. I don’t think he’s just making it up.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 21, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

You must be loving this book.

Gives you about three years of blog material.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

So really no controversy

What did I just read then?

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Something about the Chiefs in the playoffs

Savor it :)

Rooting for the 2011 KC team to be all it can be...then draft a franchise QB with the #1 pick next year.

by mushin on Sep 21, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's right

we have to wait another 18 months before Andrew Luck wins our Super Bowl

You can't spell Power without Powe.

by Sudden on Sep 21, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

what you just read, WarPaint, was Joel attempting to drum up more comments becaue AP is obviously "down" this month and he needs more page hits to his his quota ;-)

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry Kietzmann...

First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...

by SFLChief on Sep 21, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahah...

my bad, good catch…

First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...

by SFLChief on Sep 21, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Among other Keitzmann issues...

Guy’s a jerk..

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by WorL4Chiefs on Sep 21, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

More like a unkept DOUCHE.

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Those that wish potentially fatal diseases or other ill-fortunes on others, are the LOWEST form of trash!

by crashman6 on Sep 21, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow Joel,

that is very interesting. Isn’t it amazing how the overall attitude about the Chiefs in KC has affected so many folks take on this? Everybody is looking for a smoking gun. I think that there is one, but it isn’t nearly this convoluted.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Sep 21, 2011 12:40 PM CDT reply actions  

interested in what you think IS a "smoking gun" here

as for the above: Kietzmann’s an idiot who makes Whitlook look like a Pulitzer Prize Journalist … and maybe now we can “put to rest” the never-ending saga of “Todd Haley took over play-calling duties” etc etc ad nauseum

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sooo a radio personality distorts the facts

so he could have some controversy to rant about for twenty minutes or so.
>@/@<

by fishhooks on Sep 21, 2011 12:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Big shock, right?

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by WorL4Chiefs on Sep 21, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sad thing is, 20 minutes of radio controversy results in weeks of garbage being reiterated as fact in the blogosphere

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

It really dosen't matter

What does matter is that there is dysfunction. I don’t care whos fault it is…I only care that it exists…and…MOST importantly…it MUST be fixed! I personally think it’s a given that Haley will be gone this year. It dosen’t matter to me when because I feel that the season is lost…I hate the feeling but I really do…sadly. The worst of it is that Arrowhead and the fans get the shitty end of the stick. Burn the ships (season) so there is no reteating. Get luck to give us an advantage…(Home field advantage at Arrowhead) and win the war.

by chieffaninfl on Sep 21, 2011 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

If Haley goes, I go. F$#@ that! And also F$#@ the godamn negativity! There are 14 games left boys and girls. Keitzman can go f himself.

I just re watched Sunday’s first half, and this team CAN get the job done. They just have to overcome piss poor concentration to avoid penalties and HOLD ONTO THE F$#@ING BALL!!!

GoooOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHIEFS MOTHERF@#$er’s!

Sorry, forgot my meds this morning.

"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."

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by crashman6 on Sep 21, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

well said!
That sounds like a good leader not micromanaging his employees

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd just for using this movie as a reference point
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

Which is pretty much the mantra for internet and talk radio “reporting.” Who cares if it’s true?? Wjo cares if people will believe it??

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by Rev. Slappy on Sep 21, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ol' Duke with Mr. Smith

A good movie I might turn on today now that you’ve mentioned it.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard some stories of him doing things like that when he was at my workplace

I wasn’t there at the time but some co-workers who knew how big of a Chiefs fan I am told me about it. I wasn’t there to see though so who am I to judge.

Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Sep 21, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Steve in RI was referring to another bullshit story

There was an incident at a restaurant that Haley and his family were at. It happened near them, but Haley and his family weren’t involved at all. They were just there.

But before confirming any of those (ahem) minor details, they went on the radio with more sensationalist BS without really doing any fact checking.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I remember that

I didn’t realize that was the specific incident he was refering to.

Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Sep 21, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's HATE ten radio.

"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."

Those that wish potentially fatal diseases or other ill-fortunes on others, are the LOWEST form of trash!

by crashman6 on Sep 21, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

610 is any better?

Nick Wright and his Pizza Parlor “Haley hated Weis” theories

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't that Fescoe?

Wright is the one who said Charles couldn’t wait to get out of KC.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe so ...

all of ‘em are rumor-mongerers … I’ll take a straight-forward, opinionated Jason Whitlock anytime :-)

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good Lord...

Can’t we just win a damn game already? So all this BS will go away.

Can we get off this "Suck4Luck" bullshit? Actually WANTING us to lose? Seriously...WTF???

by Scott B. on Sep 21, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I want to read the book about how the Chiefs went 14-2 in 2011

After the worst start in franchise history. Nothing else really matters to me at the moment.

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 21, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

2011: A Chiefs Odyssey

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 21, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we get Kubrick to direct it?

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only if you can raise the dead.

In which case, you should start with the Chiefs.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I figured since we weren't being realistic at all, why not go all the way?

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn!

I was really hoping you could raise the Chiefs dead.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Kubrick maybe.

But our offense? C’mon man, that’s just science fiction.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

A man can dream...

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd Rags!

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

So in several hundred pages of behind the scenes comments this was the most controversial ?

So the GM gets upset when the team looks like shit and the head coach decides to let the coordinator make the play calls.

I would be more concerned if Pioli was not upset and Haley did strip his OC of play calling in the middle of a playoff game.

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by saskwatch on Sep 21, 2011 12:50 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

No, this wasn't the most controversial

I’ll have more in the coming weeks leading up to the release. This was one that was just being talked about on talk radio today, so I wanted to clarify with what both sides said.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 21, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pioli/Dimitroff/Belichick

Their relationship, Pioli’s and Dimitroff’s exit from New England, and their first year in KC and ATL. Draft nuggets, too. Even mentions a couple of players they liked, one current starter who Chiefs scouts didn’t grade out as a starter. Great stuff.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 21, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sweet. Look forward to it.

Current starter? That’s a toss up, since there are several players on the roster right now that don’t deserve to start.

I’m going to guess it’s Derrick Johnson though. Or Branden Albert.

by Tomahawk29 on Sep 21, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking he's talking about the draft

and another team’s starter that we didn’t grade out as one during draft time.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta think Kendrick Lewis

late round flier guy, and about the only current starter in a base package that I think could be considered by them as a depth guy based on the way they drafted him. Really, in terms of guys that the Chiefs drafted, they obviously felt the guys in early rounds were start material. They probably regarded Lewis as depth, and then he pleasantly surprised them enough where they were comfortable letting Page go after he refused to sign his tender.

You can't spell Power without Powe.

by Sudden on Sep 21, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jackson.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't grade out as a starter?

Ummmm…..to quote the great T.O.

“Yo talkin’ bout my Quarterback”

by craig in calgary on Sep 21, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pioli didn't even have his scouts in place then.

So they couldn’t very well grade him either way.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

pretty excited about this book...

i want to peek inside this secretive world…

First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...

by SFLChief on Sep 21, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

And my gut at the time – after the Balt PO loss and it came out that Weiss was leaving & he was shooting his ego-mouth off – was that Weiss tanked his play-calling so he could get to FL faster. The play calling that game was not the same as thru the season.

Just my opinion/gut..

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by WorL4Chiefs on Sep 21, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Weis announced he was leaving before the game ...

what changed was the quality of opponent

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was quoted from some pizza joint

From here:
This:

Appearing on one of the station’s other shows, Fescoe explained that he received two text messages from patrons of a pizza shop that Weis supposedly frequents. (Fescoe refused to name because he didn’t want to give the place "free advertising.") According to the persons who sent Fescoe text messages, Weis was openly stating in the unnamed pizza place that the play-calling duties had been yanked from him at halftime.

We know that wasn’t true (see Joel’s article today on Holley’s book).
There was noise at the time from people talking with Weiss was that Haley was a butt to work with. Oh, yeah, and Twit-lock was reporting it all over the place, too, but then he’s not exactly a reliable source.

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by WorL4Chiefs on Sep 21, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure that Haley would be extremely hard to work with

if you are Whitlock. That relationship probably wouldn’t last very long…. Oh wait, I guess it already didn’t.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...Haley was his boss and Weiss aleady knew him. If he couldn't

work with Haley, he shouldn’t have taken the job.

Business is business and the boss is the boss, whether we agree with him or not.

I’m not gonna slam a guy who’s in charge for wanting his way…that’s what he gets paid for. And he’s sure taking the heat for it now, which is why he gets the HC bucks. :-)

I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...

by WorL4Chiefs on Sep 21, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, the imfamous pizza joint rumor

that Fescoe, without confirming anything, took and ran with. Then pro football talk heard buzz from the Fescoe show and posted it as well. Now every hater will always have that in their arsenal no matter how unsubstantiated it is.

by old_school on Sep 21, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

My poor sentence structure there...didn't mean the "and" chronologically... :-)

While the opponent quality was high, I don’t think the Ravens were that much better than the Raiders, just more consistent.

I don’t have any facts for it, so as noted, it was my gut at the time that Weiss wasn’t giving it the same effort he did thru most of the season.

I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...

by WorL4Chiefs on Sep 21, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh, there was iffy play calling throughout.

Remember all the AP complaining about 3rd and shorts, and fourth downs? It’s just that a few small things can turn an NFL game into a blowout real fast, so sometimes small mistakes end up seeming a lot bigger in hindsight than they really were.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

True enough there Bsrkr...

I do remember biatching about it thru a number of games.

I didn’t state it as fact, just my gut – and I still think Weiss wasn’t the be-all that so many think he is…and that he wasn’t really giving the Chiefs all he could. Just my opinion…

I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...

by WorL4Chiefs on Sep 21, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, by comparison to this year,

I thought our play calling against Buffalo was atrocious, and I wanted Weis back. But then I loved the first half play calling against the Lions. So, I guess I’m “not sure.”

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Weis was giving it all he had as always ... again, I jus tthink we were terribly outmatched by a far, far better team

no worries on the typo or whatever :-)

to me, more than understandable that EVERYONE was pissed off at halftime … Bowe was double and triple teamed, the defense leaked like a seive, fumbles that killed us … it was just a brutal game all the way around (not to mention it got even uglier in the second half)

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, thing that still irks me about that loss to Oakland

We could’ve had the Steelers in round 1 instead of the Ravens.

I think we matched up far better with PIT at playoff time last year than BAL. I’d take that matchup again today as well.

BAL is a very tough matchup for us personnel-wise.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it would have been the Jets.

With the Steelers presumably in round two.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Steelers had first round bye, yes?

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's right. It would've been the Jets

And I’d take the Jets every day over BAL and PIT.

Much much better for us.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I was wanting the Jets at the time.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

couldn't see us coming close to the Steelers last year either ... ah well

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Homer.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

obviously!

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Steelers fan!

I mean, homer!

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

you catch on fast :-)

later, Marge

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good job Kietzman. Way to super-impose your opinion into the written account.

Speaking of which, I hear Todd Haley had an altercation at a bar a few months ago…

by Tomahawk29 on Sep 21, 2011 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

and destroyed it with FIRE

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by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 21, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kietzman is the very definition of a talking head.

Some of you guys seem to think he made up his take on purpose. But I suspect the goofball actually does think like that…he really doesn’t comprehend why Haley wouldn’t strip Weis of calling duties in the middle of a playoff game.

What a spaz. If it wasn’t for Clinkscale keeping him somewhat in check, his head would probably have blown up by now.

REALLY want this book, by the way.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Makes me hate local sportstalk

The problem is, you can’t go to 810’s competitor for anything different. And there are no syndicated shows or ESPN radio or any alternative for the morning and evening drives.

by old_school on Sep 21, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a perfect example

of someone that has assumed something for a long time so he interprets everything in a way that supports his original assumption. This is “realism” at it’s finest.

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by Chiefs_40 on Sep 21, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

He might be wrong but...

I don’t think Kietzman’s comprehension of this paragraph is right, however doesn’t worry you that Haley allowed Wies to continue to call the plays, if he felt Wies was doing a bad job?

 I mean Wies already had one foot out the door, if Haley thought he was calling a bad game, wouldn’t you want him to take over? It is not like this was in the middle of the season or a meaningless game, we are talking about a win or go home situation.

by ArrowBagHead on Sep 21, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I wish he would have,

Then if he would have done good, we’d have him calling plays instead of Muir

I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.

by dbakerku on Sep 21, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damned if you do...

Changing the way the team does business in the middle of a playoff game might not have been much better.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 21, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Holley gave his opinion of that in the interview

And basically said, you’ve been successful all year with Weis calling plays, so would it really be the best move to change it now? I agree with that.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 21, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

But had we really?

We were not really succesful after Wies announced he was leaving, if I recall we were playing pretty crappy heading into the playoffs.

by ArrowBagHead on Sep 21, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

That wasn't so much playcalling...

As it was the Chiefs just getting manhandled by more physical teams.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

BagHead ... if a team is playing crappy, and then playes teams that are better ... playcalling isn't going to make a difference

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I am just saying if your OC is already out the door, and your team is not performing like you think they are capable, and you are questioning the play calling, as a head coach what could it have hurt to take over the play calling? It is not like he was going to upset his OC and make him quit.

by ArrowBagHead on Sep 21, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

There would have been an uproar about that too

People would have been pissed at Haley for stripping Weis of duties, just like they thought he did. And you did hear it too. Like said above, damned if you do…

by old_school on Sep 21, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't change playcallers 16.5 games into the season.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not?

If it is a lame duck OC calling the plays, and you think he is misusing your best player, why not put your foot down? This was a win or go home game, if he thought the game plan was not working, why not make an adjustment?

by ArrowBagHead on Sep 21, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a panic move.

And the Chiefs were still in the game at the time.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kietzman wanted ammunition to use

to support his theory there is this huge rift between Haley and Pioli. Talking heads on 610 think the same. Even Kevin Harlan eluded to it while talking on Kietzman’s show last week. What I don’t understand is why everyone wants to hint around about it, but they don’t want to just come out and say what is going on between the two of them.
I’m just hopeful the media is making it more than it is and both Pioli and Haley are big enough to put their differences aside for the well being of the team.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 21, 2011 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

they HINT because if they said something specific and people asked, they'd have no proof ... and then look like the idiots that they really are

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's all blah blah and people trying to reinterpret or sell

When you read the paragraph it doesn’t make it sound like Pioli is cold, it sounds like his face is red and he is frustrated and angry. Going back and rereading it, unless there is something else before that, it can only come out that way. So its funny that Holley comes back later and says its just because he’s cold.

Keitzman took it a different way than I would have but Holley is even changing the meaning from what he wrote.

Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.

by Fozzyboyd on Sep 21, 2011 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

No, according to the write-up above, Holley said this:
his face is red because it’s cold outside and because he’s upset.

You just came very close to what I’m going to call “pulling a Kietzmann.”

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

But he didn't WRITE that....Fozzy is right

He wrote this:

“Pioli stands near the press-box elevators. His face is red, and he has so many thoughts about the missed opportunities in the first half that he doesn’t have a complete sentence for what he just saw.

Show us where the “weather” is implied in the writing.

by THE_TRUTH on Sep 21, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair,

we don’t know what was written right before that.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 21, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true

We only have a snippet, we don’t know the full context, what was written before or after. We also don’t know the full reasons Keitzman interpreted it the way he did. He may know more facts, have a bias against the writer, Haley, Pioli, or just be wrong.

Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.

by Fozzyboyd on Sep 21, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

based on what Joel said, and Joel having read the entire book, and knowing that Joel is one of the most level-headed and honest people I know ...

… I’ll go with kietzmann being just plain wrong

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have a good point there.

And I wasn’t saying Keitzmann wasn’t wrong. He is quite often.

Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.

by Fozzyboyd on Sep 22, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fozzy said this:
Holley comes back later and says its just because he’s cold.

That is false. That’s where i was getting the “pulling a Kietzmann” thing.

I wasn’t really commenting about what Holley said in his book because I haven’t read it yet. Just commenting on the quotes printed here and Fozzy’s own comment.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, i guess I could have did quotes and made everything word for word

Not really much difference between him being cold and it being cold outside making his face red which would imply I guess that at least his face was cold or cold enough to make his skin react.

That’s a big difference than what Keitzman and Holley both did. Keitzman interpreted everything pretty different and he may do that because of what else he knows or his own bias. Holley on the other hand wrote the original phrase, could have put it anyway he wanted but conciously chose to write it the way he did. Then he had to come back later and explain and add details.

The problem with the way Holley wrote it, if it really meant what he came back and said later, is that the way it is written does imply certain things, like Pioli was mad because of missed opportunities and he was upset to the point where he couldn’t come up with a sentence. What Holley did is probably worse that what Keitzman did because Keitzman could just be out of ignorance, other knowledge or just his interpretation. What Holley did was choose to purposely imply things, which apparently weren’t true.

Writers know everything they write, they set it up to read certain ways and they rewrite, edit, and double check like fanatics. Holley knew what he wrote and wrote it that way on purpose.

Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.

by Fozzyboyd on Sep 21, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that Holley wrote it that way to imply that Pioli was upset,

but he did not contradict himself. He said “because it’s cold outside AND because he’s upset.” So he was probably originally implying that Pioli was red-faced upset, and that is in fact what he’s STILL saying.

Kietzmann, on the other hand, flat out made crap up. I mean, I honestly have no idea how he got from point A (the book passage) to point B (his opinion). That takes a lot more creativity than I’ve got.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Foz, everything Kietzmann said was implication based on no more than his imagination ... to say that Holley leaving out his own interpretation was "worse" is ludicrous and ingenious
What Holley did is probably worse that what Keitzman did because Keitzman could just be out of ignorance, other knowledge or just his interpretation. What Holley did was choose to purposely imply things, which apparently weren’t true

Keitzmann’s interpretation was fabricated out of thin air … to say the least

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kietzmann still works KC?

Wow! You would think with 810’s great morning and mid-day programs that they could find someone, anyone to fill the afternoon slot that actually knows what their talking about. Just saying…………..

by etzman66 on Sep 21, 2011 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Because of the man or because of his slot?

Huh, that kinda came out wrong. But you know what I mean.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huhuhuh, you said "slot". That kicked ass.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't he also the primary owner of 810?

I may have mis-remembered, but think I read that somewhere…

I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...

by WorL4Chiefs on Sep 21, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can relate to Pioli's redfacedness

I’ve been doing my job for 10+ years and have never had a worse morning dealing with incompetent beancounting peons. I’ve used the words “unacceptable”, “incompetent” and “embarassment” several times in conversations. I might have dropped the “idiot” bomb too, and will probably be asked to not work here anymore.

Anyone hiring?

by craig in calgary on Sep 21, 2011 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

football or baseball, either would work

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Sep 21, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can he call plays?

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It sells

All media now days must do things to make them relavant. If your fox news you report republican opinion as fact, if your a sports show, you make up crazy controversy to get people to listen.

Its all about marking so they get money from you.

by Bigcherokeechief on Sep 21, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

And part of that is making real people look one-dimensional.

As if two grown men who work together can’t have any disagreements without firing/sabotaging each other.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know, huh

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

LIAR! I HATE YOU!

/account hack Brsrkr

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome! I can't wait to see what I'll say!

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

^^^ that was me typing

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're much smarter than the real Brsrkr.

Funnier too.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

^^^ that was me, too

I shall now heretofore be known as TRSrkr

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

More sensible than my old name.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you forgot to finish your sentence
If your fox news you report republican opinion as fact

and if you are CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSN, Yahoo, Reuters, etc. you are the spin doctors for Democratic National Committee.

There, fixed it for ya.

2010 = The beginning of a dynasty

by ChiefWildcat on Sep 21, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

great read by the way

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Sep 21, 2011 1:43 PM CDT reply actions  

i want to read this book more

now that there are rumors floating around about Pioli and Haley’s relationship.

Interesting timing….

:)

by fongKC on Sep 21, 2011 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

media?

I’ve said it before I’ll say it again. There’s a saying in a few US Agencies “What the American public believes from media sources makes them the American public.”

I really thought 2011 was going to be our Chiefs breakout year. Injuries to key players has hurt us bad, but I have hope we will see growth and a few surprising wins this year. GO CHIEFS !!!!!!!!

by KC-Murdock on Sep 21, 2011 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Too Funny

I love people that think Fox News is the only media outlet that writes with a slant, MSNBC and CNN do it just as much, it’s just that the Daily Show doesn’t call them out on it, so it is not en vouge to mock them.

by ArrowBagHead on Sep 21, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've seen John Stewart jump all over MSNBC.

Though I haven’t had cable in 6+ months now, so no idea what it’s like lately.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

He makes fun of MSNBC and CNN all the time.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

So essentially baghead was making a baseless and probably politically slanted statement?

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

sounds about right to me ;-)

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh. Partisan politics.

No thanks.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I may have been incorrect about the Daily show

but there was nothing politcally slanted about my statement, seeing as I agreed that Fox News has a slant to their writing, but also stated others had slants as well.

by ArrowBagHead on Sep 21, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well this:
it’s just that the Daily Show doesn’t call them out on it, so it is not en vouge to mock them.

Definitely has an air of a right-leaning person (not calling that good or bad) mad that Fox gets singled out when they don’t think a left-leaning network does.

If that wasn’t the intent, then my fault. But it does appear that way from this end of things.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

That may be

It has been a couple years since I watched it last, it seemed the show started blurring the lines between satirical reporting and actual reporting. Though they might be some of the best writers I have ever seen on TV. That is why I go to multiple news sites for news, that and I have a lot of free time on my hands at work

by ArrowBagHead on Sep 21, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah if I see a story that interests me

I’ll usually go to reuters, AP, BBC, any regional news sources nearer where the story happened. Then I can kind of start to form an idea about what happened.

It’s kind of like news triangulation. Plot several points (news sources) and find the one right in the middle – usually closest to the truth.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

That seems to get the best results

I normally start with the big media and normally they point you towards the local news sites, which tend to give a much better detailed report.

by ArrowBagHead on Sep 21, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

They all do

Fox just has it down to a science.

by Bigcherokeechief on Sep 21, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup pretty much

Fair and Balanced just means you’re more “Right-Leaning” then the other guys.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh that doesn't even matter

DS is still owned by a corporation, so what you’re getting from the Daily Show is still corporate news. With its own unique spin of course because they are on Comedy Central

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 21, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

could it be possible....

That KK’s interpretation is correct, and Holley is just covering for Pioli, given the fact that Pioli spilled the beans on the conversation? I agree that KK likes controversy, but sometimes he is right (sometimes, as with the Haley bar rumor, was wrong). I can definitely see Holley covering for Pioli so he can keep his relationship in good standing.

Why else would Pioli not let Haley make a change in the game plan? Haley is the HEAD coach, Weis was the OC. Last time I checked, the head coach is in charge.

I think KK’s interpretation is pretty close to correct. Pioli, who is well known for being super secrative, leaked this information to try to make Haley look bad.

by jjbjhawk on Sep 21, 2011 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

wait what?

KK’s interpretation of what Holley wrote is right, but what Holley says about what he wrote is not right.

You think Holley wrote this book, and put Pioli in a bad light (KK’s interpretation) then said “oh crap, I like Pioli and don’t want to ruin our relationship”.

Then why would he write it in the first place?

The author clarifies what he wrote. I don’t know that it gets any plainer than that.

by fongKC on Sep 21, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

It boggles the mind, doesn't it?

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Needs more tinfoil.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't Pioli Haley's boss? And has the authority to fire him?

So a guy’s boss is going to leak shit to the press about him. Why would he do that when he has the power to fire him? And if the coach is doing well there isn’t a need to fire him. “So I’m going to leak some crap about my coach of the year coach to make him look bad so I can fire him.” It’s utterly ridiculous.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Sep 21, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because if he doesn't discredit Todd Haley first then Todd Haley will just say "You can't fire me! I'm Todd Freakin' Haley!"

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would you fire somebody who's successful?

There’s no need to plant anything in the press at all. If Haley succeeds, then that’s a good thing. If he fails you can fire him. The end. I’ve never met Pioli but from what I have seen in interviews he’s a whip-smart guy. Why would a smart person plant negative things in the press so they can fire a coach that’s winning games? It makes no logical sense at all.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Sep 21, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Logic is the enemy of ratings.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

totally agree

I’ve been saying the same thing to myself every time i hear this rumor.

It just doesn’t make any sense.

by fongKC on Sep 21, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holley, just like KK, may have an agenda...

I’m not saying Holley or KK is correct, what I’m saying is that Holley may have an agenda to keep his relationship with Pioli in good condition.

He may be trying to smooth things out by downplaying the article.

That’s my personal opinion, but just like everybody else here, it’s pure speculation.

by jjbjhawk on Sep 21, 2011 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

It's not speculation to read what he actually wrote.

Instead of what you’d like to see written.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unpossible!

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

typo

article = excerpt.

I think Holley wrote it as part of his book to provide insight on the Patriots dynasty, but once it became controversal, backpeddled to keep his relationship with Pioli in tact.

I understand the desire of talk show hosts to create drama for ratings, and I’m sure KK does it, but c’mon, it’s pretty clear there are problems with this organization in the front office and coaching staff. After winning the AFC west last year, the team is falling apart. I know there have been significant injuries, but something else is up.

by jjbjhawk on Sep 21, 2011 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

the BOOK is about all three men
The book follows New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick, Atlanta Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff and Kansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli for a year and delves into their relationships and philosophies as the leading men in their respective organizations.

the author by no means did any “backpedalling” … he stands by what he wrote, period … as for controversy, there is none inherent in the passage itself, rather the “controversy” is in what Kietzmann does with someone else’s words: ie, twist them around and change what was written

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

810 flat out sucks

I used to listen to it on my drive to and from KC on game weekends because it was the only one I could pull in almost the full drive. Then I got a smartphone that can stream and never again to I bother with it. 610 isn’t a whole lot better, but my 10 year old knows more about the Chiefs (and football in general) than those buffoons Keitzman and Jack Harry.

by CapsLockKey on Sep 21, 2011 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

how's his arm? ;-)

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not great

but he’s got better hands than Bowe

by CapsLockKey on Sep 21, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

works for me

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by upamtn on Sep 21, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jack Harry is still alive?

He’s a tanned, gold chain wearing version of Al Davis. Also he’s a blowhard and a buffoon.

There’s nothing worse than these low level small market media hacks who were never good enough to rise above the small market.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Sep 21, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm usually pretty easy on the local media...

but how does anyone listen to Keitzmann? This guy makes Jack Harry and Michael Coleman look like Pulitzer Prizer winners.

Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 21, 2011 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Petro.

I listen to Petro at lunch, and then Kietzmann is automatically on when I get in the truck after work. If he’s talking about something interesting, then I won’t necessarily switch right away for fear of finding commercials on 610. But eventually the man’s personality drives me to take the risk.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love that Wright is finally clowning on him ratings wise

Keitzman needs to take a cue from Vrable. When you’re too old, too slow, and the game has passed you by, hang em up before you get hurt of make a fool of yourself.

Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 21, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't keep up with ratings. It's good to hear that Wright's catching him up.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the same BS Kietzman did in order to break into radio before 1510 was even on the air

He trashed Carl, Marty and many of the players not to mention just making o ton of personal attacks on Don Fortune right when 1510 hit the air. The guy is a MEGA-DOUCHE

by fairmont on Sep 21, 2011 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Why Can't Haley Mix up the offense?

“Haley knew that there couldn’t be any in-game switching.” Isn’t that what they call half-time adjustments? I don’t get this at all. Haley really say, well, Weiss is the OC, “i guess i’ll let him call the plays and keep doing what we’re doing even though it isn’t working.” either way, it doesn’t matter if there is a rift between pioli or haley, this was poor coaching.

So it does sound like that horrible 4th and 1 (or 3rd and 1?) with the sweep toss to JC was Weis’s call….one of the worst playoff calls i’ve seen in some time.

by Arrowhead25 on Sep 21, 2011 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Or maybe he had to trust his OC to be able to make the necessary adjustments at the half?

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Sep 21, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just because he let him continue to call the plays...

doesn’t mean that he didn’t convene with him on halftime adjustments.

My middle name is Luck, so suck on this, Luck suckers.

by Tarkus on Sep 21, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's professionalism.

Bosses have responsibility toward their subordinates, it’s not just a one-way street. Yanking a highly respected OC like Weis at half-time would have bad repercussions way beyond one game, even a playoff game.

If Haley had pulled something like that, he’d be living up to exactly the kind of jerk that Kietzmannists make him out to be.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Sep 21, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is the book broken into sections?

So I could only read the Pioli part? Or would I have to read the whole book?

by masonsixer on Sep 21, 2011 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Patriot Reign was a damn good book

I’m hoping this one matches it.

*When we blitz, have the LB's do a KC Strip. Do this in remembrance of DT.
*Dear David Glass, as a lifelong Royals fan, I beg you to please sell the team. You have always been the problem; you will never be the solution.

by mistamic on Sep 21, 2011 10:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Fescoe was Gutless

He couldn’t admit to Holley that HE, FESCOE was the source for the Haley took the play calling away from Weis in the Raven game controversy, instead trying to make it seem like it was someone else in the KC media. He went on the air with a story based on TEXTS FROM A PIZZA PLACE. I hope Pizza Boy Fescoe understood the lesson Holley was teaching him, and the rest of the KC media, about Journalism and ethics, but I doubt it.

by dablueguy on Sep 22, 2011 3:25 AM CDT reply actions  

"Chiefs fans will absolutely love it."

Until the second it paints anyone involved with the Chiefs in anything other than an EXTREMELY positive light. At which point Holley becomes a know-nothing idiot.

What the NFL labor dispute needs is a modern-day Robin Hood

by big matt on Sep 22, 2011 8:42 AM CDT reply actions  

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