Minor Changes To Chiefs Depth Chart For Chargers Game
by Joel Thorman on Sep 20, 2011 1:44 PM CDT
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The Kansas City Chiefs have released their depth chart for Sunday's Week 3 game against the San Diego Chargers. There weren't any surprises with who's where on the depth chart.
Here's a summary of the changes: TE Jake O'Connell removed (waived); TE Anthony Becht added; RB Jamaal Charles removed (IR); S Eric Berry removed (IR); S Reshard Langford added
Here are the previous versions of the depth chart:
Preseason: Week 1, Week 2, Week 3 and Week 4.
Regular season: Week 1 and Week 2.
The Chiefs complete depth chart is posted after the jump.
WR: Steve Breaston, Jerheme Urban, Jonathan Baldwin
LT: Branden Albert, Jared Gaither
LG: Ryan Lilja, Rodney Hudson
C: Casey Wiegmann, Rodney Hudson
RG: Jon Asamoah, Rodney Hudson
RT: Barry Richardson, Steve Maneri
TE: Leonard Pope, Anthony Becht
WR: Dwayne Bowe, Terrance Copper, Keary Colbert
QB: Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko, Ricky Stanzi
FB: Le'Ron McClain, Jackie Battle
RB: Thomas Jones, Dexter McCluster, Jackie Battle
DEFENSE
LDE: Tyson Jackson, Allen Bailey, Amon Gordon
NT: Kelly Gregg, Amon Gordon, Jerrell Powe
RDE: Glenn Dorsey, Wallace Gilberry, Brandon Bair
LOLB: Justin Houston, Andy Studebaker
LILB: Jovan Belcher, Demorrio Williams
RILB: Derrick Johnson, Demorrio Williams, Cory Greenwood
ROLB: Tamba Hali, Cameron Sheffield
LCB: Brandon Flowers, Travis Daniels
RCB: Brandon Carr, Javier Arenas, Jalil Brown
SS: Jon McGraw, Donald Washington, Reshard Langford
FS: Kendrick Lewis, Sabby PIscitelli
SPECIAL TEAMS
P: Dustin Colquitt, Ryan Succop
K: Ryan Succop
LS: Thomas Gafford
PR: Dexter McCluster, Steve Breaston, Jerheme Urban
KR: Javier Arenas, Dexter McCluster, Steve Breaston
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If you aren't happy with TJax
then you can’t be happy with Dorsey.
Compared to Cassel they look awesome.
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
Cassel
Made sabby look good ! Lol
by chiefsman! on Sep 20, 2011 2:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
all I am saying is TALENT isn't really the issue, IMHO
current performance is, which In my opinion, is a problem of confidence, coaching, etc
agree
they have potential i think . But they’re sure taking their time to reach it . But ur right it very well could be coaches , and getting blown out 2 weeks in a row cant be good for confidence.
We have do have some talent and I think you will see
Pioli lock those players up. However, we have some players that I think we as fans over value cuz we want and/or hoped they were better then they actually are.
The 3 players that come to mind are
1) Albert – We wanted him to be the answer cuz he was a top 15 pick and needed the answer since the drop off after Roaf left. He’s average and will always be average as a LT. Now, put him a LG, a position he played in every game but 2 in college, and he isn’t average…he’s probably a Pro Bowler with his size and quickness.
2) Dorsey – He’s and average 34 DE. He gets dominated on a regualr basis so much so that we really aren’t using our 34 base D. People are talking about coaching. He has the same coach as he did in 2009 and 2010…you know what is different…he’s playing against better competition and it is showing.
3) TJ – He’ll never live up to the #3 pick in the draft. He handles double teams better then any other DE we have, and can hold his own…but he will never make other people around him better.
Notice I said handles
double teams better then any other DE we have. He still gets pushed off the LOS, and doesn’t shed his blocker quck enough.
Shedding his blocker seems to be an issue.
As for push, he has mega-push, but most of the time, he’s not in up-field mode, imo.
would of ≠ would've
In 2009 Dorsey didn't have Crennel
And an average LT is fine especially for a LG that made a transition, a lot of teams can’t make that claim and you don’t need an elite LT to get to a SB anyways.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 20, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
You are correct about 2009
still Dorsey had the same coach in 2010.
I agree you don’t need an elite LT or OL if you have an elite QB. However, having an elite OL makes all the offensive weapons better. The RB is better as he has bigger running lanes. The QB is better because he has more time and more WRs can be sent out into patterns. The WRs are better because they have more time to get open.
I’m a big fan of putting people in positions where they can be successful. If Albert can be an elite LG, why put him at T where he is average? Our interior line would get much more of a push with Albert then Lilija. Short yardage would probably be easier to make and our undersized C would get some needed help.
You don't even need an elite QB
Just one that can be calm and can actually keep his eyes downfield and find somebody open.
But I agree, utilization of talent must become better if we’ll ever get over the hump.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 20, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
In today's league, you need guys who get open quickly, else defenses can dial up the pressures at will.
Colbert and maybe Breaston might be the best at getting open quickly. But both of ’em are better in the slot, with trees on the outside, imo.
would of ≠ would've
It's a lack of confidence alright..
but more the players lack of confidence in the QB than anything else. There may be some side -effect confidence loss in the staffs ability to gameplan around the QB’s ineffectiveness. (for this they should have kept Gailey, he’s a genius working with scrap heap type players)
by Chiefsfansince85 on Sep 20, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure about that
but, the QB and coach are the easy scapegoats, so I’m not surprised that people are calling for both of their heads
Look at Indy
That team has talent, albeit somewhat aged. The only thing that changed for them was they went from a QB that gave them confidence they were never out of a game, to a QB that none of them wanted or believe in. I see a parallel to what we have happening. No confidence in Matt to move the ball, and no confidence that his ineptitude will be hidden by scheme.
by Chiefsfansince85 on Sep 20, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't want to argue
and I certainly don’t want to compare Cassel to Manning, that’s just unfair :)
I think the confidence problems are due to:
- a lack of preparation (bad offseason program)
- devastating injuries to arguably the 3 best players on the team not named Hali
- the alarming and untimely turnovers and penalties
2 of those 3 are directly related to coaching, NOT the players on the field
the other is just bad luck
That sounds like
more of a comparison to Collins than Manning that Chiefsfan is saying
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Yeah it was more of a situational comparison of on the field
confidence levels than it was to ability. Manning (as much as I loathe the egghead) is really only comparable to probably Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and maybe Phyllis Rivers.
I do buy lack of preparation for the Bills game meltdown, but cmon two games in a row ? I dont’ think you can chalk all of that up to poor prep. Well I guess if they just sat around during the offseason and sang campfire songs while all the rest of the teams actually worked on football.. could be possible. Haley is unconventional, I wonder if we should ask the guys what his favorite song was…
by Chiefsfansince85 on Sep 20, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Cassel to Manning is not a comparison.
It is a Contrast. MAnning has the ability to motivate, command, demand and produce results. Face it, Cassel is a good , solid average QB. A great #2 to play behind someone like Brady, Manning, Rogers, etc. If team surrounded him with elite tools and weapons he is capable of producing wins. By himself,,,, not so much.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Since85: Indy's O-Line isn't that good, either.
Manning would be struggling right now, too, imo.
would of ≠ would've
IT IS THE QB!!!!!!!
THE QB.
South Carolina chief fan here. Eat my arrowhead covered shorts rest of the west ,dallas and pats.
by kcbeatdown101 on Sep 20, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Wake me when there's a change to the QB depth chart
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
You seriously want to sleep for a year?
Can we get off this "Suck4Luck" bullshit? Actually WANTING us to lose? Seriously...WTF???
lol HOPEFULLY a year , could be longer :x
scary thought ..
Wake up, Roger Godell is walking to the podium.....
…. With the 1st pick of the 2012 draft…. the KC Chiefs pick……..
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I hope they'd be at least
willing to make some changes in game (give another QB a couple of series) if things turn ugly. At least switch it up a little this time around.
"The Chiefs only won last season's opener against the Chargers because of the monsoon that night".........yeah because it only rains on one team at a time!
So they haven't added anyone yet right?
I want to see who they add or gets promoted from the practice squad. May not be big but I need something to look forward to.
Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Sep 20, 2011 1:57 PM CDT reply actions
Sooo... can we just run a 4-4 (no SS)?
Maybe even the ole Bears 46?
Trying to think of a way to eliminate or mitigate the SS from the D. Surely we can figure something out. hehehe
safety didnt play to bad
Dline needs to step up
I was impressed with Amon Gordon
He made a few plays last Sunday, showed good hustle
by jakeakabigdub on Sep 20, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
He did play ok, and that's saying something about the state of our line when
a career journeyman/perennial roster castoff is “wowing” us more than our #1 picks up front.
by Chiefsfansince85 on Sep 20, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like Mr S.Smith last year...
"The essence of greatness is the perception that virtue is enough." -RWE
"To want to prohibit a man from error is to forbid him to fulfill his own existence..."
-Simone de Beauvoir
by KC Conundrum on Sep 20, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
They mostly were swapping him in for #92/#97.
Mostly in nickel. Which means he’s pinning his ears back, more. What’s nice, though, is he’s tougher to run past than Gilberry, Bailey, or TJAX appear to be.
would of ≠ would've
Our DL isn't that bad
They stop the run well enough, wish they could get to the QB better but they could be a lot worse.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 20, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
They stop the run well enough?
We had the worst run D the last half of 2010. We are 25th out of 32 in rushing yards per game. Teams that want to run against us, do so at will.
You do realize that a Run D is more then just the line right?
A better indicator for line play is how much teams averaged, and they only average 3.7 yards a carry which was good enough for 12th in the league.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 20, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah Run D is on the front 7
but it all starts with the DL. I saw the 3.7 yards/att., and a stat that might bring that yard/att. down is short yardage rushing situations where we are 28th in the NFL in first given up on rushes. You could give me a stat, I could give you one. Bottom line, if a team needs yards against us can they get it…yeah…pretty easily. This conversation between you and I was kind of my point of an earlier post. Our DL is over valued…we are average to below average.
Exactly and average to below average isn't awful
And that’s my whole point.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 20, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Then it's
a perspective thing…to me average to below average is awful and unacceptable. I will always say there is nothing more demoralizing then when a team runs the ball down your throat….and there is nothing that can get a team energized like a elite front 7 with a dominant DL. If you don’t believe that then you never watched
Booker/Phillips/Saleamua/Smith
DT/Martin/Edwards
The Arrowhead Crowd was build with D Fence
It's those draws against the nickel front (Gilberry and Bailey) that are pretty devastating.
We’ve been in nickel and dime most of these first two games, with Dorsey, Jackson, and Gregg on the bench. Very frustrating for me.
would of ≠ would've
Nfl . com
Says the chiefs are in the driver seat for first pick in the Draft lol
looks like the same group of losers from last week.
Run D is the key this year.
by cwebb44 on Sep 20, 2011 2:23 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
I'm a Tampa native and don't get to see many Chiefs games but what is the consesus on McCluster?
Anyone think he can be a feature back or is he limited to 3rd down, PR, and the occasional early down? Thanks!
He'd be great if he didn't fumble the damn ball all of the time.
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
Also he's so tiny
I hold my breathe everytime he gets the ball. It makes u nervous that he’s getting trucked by the big defensive players
by chiefsman! on Sep 20, 2011 3:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks! He seems like the ideal 3rd down back and PR.
Won’t be getting goal line carries, I’m guessing. Haha!
He should...
Hand him the ball, and have one of our big NT’s grab him and throw him up and over the pile.
Can we get off this "Suck4Luck" bullshit? Actually WANTING us to lose? Seriously...WTF???
I was always more nervous about Jamaal.
McCluster’s quicker and more compact. Harder to stand him up and break him like a wishbone. Kind of like Marcus Allen in terms of body control in tight spots.
would of ≠ would've
He doesn't fumble all the time.
Come on.
by bossmanham on Sep 20, 2011 3:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Would it be a reach to say McCluster is the most explosive player on offense?
I just can’t imagine a 33 year old Jones getting more than 12-15 carries.
Please no
Thomas Jones is one od the biggest sacred cows on this team, it would benefit the team for his acl to be next
Carpe Diem
The only thing different is no JC
They need to go ahead and start playing Powe instead of having him inactive and if Cassel is still doing the same crap at halftime he needs to head to the bench and Palko needs to play since Haley won’t activate Stanzi
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Major changes
Bill Muir will change his depends undergarments at half time and drink more ensure.
Carpe Diem
Didn't Haley say
there were going to be big changes?
my thoughts
the “big changes” that are needed are NOT depth-chart related…
they need to change how they prepare and practice, how they handle adversity, and they need to find some confidence
haha
yeah, the perverbial “mob” with their pitchforks wanting “heads to roll” won’t like my take on things
Yes, and the depth chart bears little relation to actual position groupings we see in a game.
They show the starting lineup headshots at the start of the 1st series on defense, and WHOOPS! the Chiefs already have the whole d-line swapped-out. About the only thing you can count on is Carr and Flowers.
would of ≠ would've
Haley changed his socks
and gave that pink sweater he wears to the games back to Florence Henderson
Carpe Diem
Arenas Should Start @ FS
I would start Arenas @ FS and move K Lewis to SS, and would bring Jon McGraw in during Nickel down. Although Jon brings leaderishp to the unit while he’s on the field, he’s just to slow to cover the WR in the slot and the TE. Arenas did play some safety during his years @ Alabama. Arenas has the speed to run with the WR in the slot.
This week, we face Rivers and Gates, and I don’t think we match up will with SD WR & TE, plus Tolbert is catching the ball coming out of the backfield. Tolbert caught 8 passes for 73yrd against NE last Sunday. We need to find away to get pressure on Rivers up the middle, while covering Tolbert and Hester coming out of the backfield.
I thought about that as well
I wonder if he could pull it off though.
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We Need TE and DL
I’m sorry but Leonard Pope and Anthony Becht doesn’t put fear into other team defense. I mention last year we should pick up Colin Pete TE from Alabama. Pete is a four tool TE. Remember he blocked for Ingram when won the Hesiman Trophy. He made several big catch during Alabama National Championship. Pete lack the speed, but who care as long as he can block and make catch to move the chain is the key. Pete is way better than Pope and Becht. I know Pete isn’t playing football right, but just give a chance.
If not Colin Pete, what about Preston Dial another Alabama Crimson Tide who was Pete backup. What do we have to loss !!!
DONT HATE HALEY
HATE THE GAME OF KCQB#7
South Carolina chief fan here. Eat my arrowhead covered shorts rest of the west ,dallas and pats.
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