The Matt Cassel Report Card
by Flowers24 on Sep 14, 2011 3:41 PM CDT
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Week One is in the books. As we all know, the season didn't start out the way any of us had expected. The Chiefs were blown out 41-7 at home, their second largest margin of defeat at home in team history. However, this post is only about one man. Let's evaluate how he did.
22 of 36 for 119 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT
Negative: I can't state it any plainer than this: Cassel threw for 3.31 YPA. To illustrate how bad that is, he's the only quarterback in NFL history to complete 22 or more passes and not throw for at least 120 yards. Some may say that's the fault of the play calling, but we'll get back to that point. Cassel also threw an interception and other passes were forced into traffic.
My biggest problem with Cassel surfaced multiple times on Sunday. He absolutely refuses to look off his primary receiver. In the third quarter Cassel threw the ball to Jamaal Charles on a shallow cross. Charles was wide open, but Cassel took so long to throw the ball after staring him down that Charles took a vicious hit to the knees. Luckily he was okay, but those types of things are unacceptable.
Positive: Cassel had a higher completion percentage than he normally does. Granted, his throws were short but he still completed the throws he made. He did throw a touchdown pass and almost had two, but Pope couldn't reel in a circus catch. At times, Cassel looked poised and made good throws.
Overall Grade: 50
Cassel didn't do enough to give the team a chance to win when the game was within reach.
Great (and even very good) players turn the tide by making a play when your team is flat. Cassel never did that. I will grant that Bill Muir did quite possibly the worst job of play-calling this side of Mike Solari, but it's not an excuse anymore.
I watched a lot of football this weekend, and I have to admit I'm wrong about something. I've long said that Matt Cassel could get the Chiefs to a Super Bowl. I really thought he would progress into a better player this year and take the proverbial "next step". He hasn't.
Cassel simply doesn't go through his progressions. The Chiefs have weapons on the field, plenty of them, and Cassel doesn't take advantage of it. He has no deep ball, and never makes a throw that truly scares the opposing defense. When you watch the elite QB's in this league, they have the ability to put a team on their back when need-be.
I'm not saying this loss was Cassel's fault. It wasn't. The defense gave up 41 points and our coaching staff did an embarrassing job of getting the team ready. So bad that Bill Muir couldn't watch anymore and just went to sleep. My point is that Cassel did nothing to rally the troops. I still believe with a great team around him, the Chiefs could go to a Super Bowl with him, but never because of him.
The Chiefs are a very talented team. My stance on that hasn't wavered one bit. With Cassel they can be a good team at the moment. If Kansas City had an elite quarterback right now however, they could possibly be great (assuming the rest of the team played like we know they can, which apparently is a massive if). Cassel is a true professional. He works hard and leads by example. He's just not talented enough.
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now if he can throw 22 for 36
for about 250-280 . Ill be happy . for now he deserves at the highest a 50
Yeah. Let's go pick one of those elite QB's off of the elite QB tree down at the park.
by bossmanham on Sep 14, 2011 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
The elite QB tree is called the draft.
Except for Drew Brees via free agency, every elite QB in the NFL has been drafted and developed within.
by craig in calgary on Sep 14, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
And usually drafted high.
The best chance you have to find one is to take one high in the draft. You can miss with a high draft pick, but Brady is the exception to the rule.
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Vick was a FA as well
Just saying. Brees is the best counterpoint though, every team could’ve had him at a reasonable salary even. Grr.
Vick was incarcerated, so that is a rare exception
And Philly is to QB’s as Denver was to RB’s a few years back.
Oh, I agree...rare for sure
Just saying that two of the best…7? QB’s right now were FA’s. Another one of those was a 6th round draft pick.
Both had significant question marks.
Brees tore up his shoulder and people were worried that his arm strength would end up being like that of a backup college QB.
Vick spent 2 years in jail.
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like that of a backup college QB...
or Chad Pennington
by Ochophosphate on Sep 14, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't seem to understand my point.
There are more QB failures in the history of the draft than successes, and to find truly elite ones compared to just good ones is unlikely as well.
First round picks?
Bullshit, there are WAY more successes, especially recently when scouting has become more sophisiticated.
Everyone says “Ya but, Jamarcus and Leaf” but the truth is, they came with huge red flags, the teams just chose to ignore them. Best QB’s right now are all high round picks (except Brady (already been discussed))
by craig in calgary on Sep 14, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Brady is exception not the rule
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
For every Manning there is a Leaf,
but for every Manning there is like 100 QB taken late in the draft that never play a snap in the NFL.
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Sorry, for every Brady
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Brees was not, Rodgers was not, Freeman was not, Schaub was not, Romo was not
Point being, having a high draft pick QB isn’t necessary to getting a very good QB. It helps, but you don’t have to be drafting top 3 to find one.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Sep 14, 2011 5:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually Brees and Rodgers I would both consider "high picks".
Does need to be top 5 but good luck hitting on one in the late rounds.
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Was not what?
Brees was drafted 32nd overall, Rodgers 24th, Freeman was 17th.
I’d concider those high. I’ll give you Romo, but AGAIN, he’s the exception to the rule.
by craig in calgary on Sep 14, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Brees was 33rd overall?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if you say 1st rounders hit 25% of the time, what would be the chance on hitting on a 6th rounder or and undrafted QB.
I would think it has to be well under 1 in 30
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I was just stating you didn't have to have a top 3 pick
I didn’t think you would consider late first, 2nd round early.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Sep 14, 2011 5:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Just looked it up. The numbers speak for themselves
18 First rounders started this week
5 Second rounders
2 Third rounders
2 Fourth rounders
0 Fifth rounders
2 Sixth rounders
2 Seventh rounders
1 Undrafted
Well maybe the 5th rounders will have one in a few weeks?
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Would be nice.
I’d love to see this offense with someone who goes through progressions. It’s not like we have a complex passing game anyway
Nope, but you find one if are not lokking either.
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I think Tea Partier/Libertarian ... but don't quote me
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Well he's in that crazy fringe of the Tea Party
Supports Bachmann, and that’s bad enough for me.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Just messin with ya man ;-)
But seriously, Bachmann is horrible
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I lean more this way
But seriously,Bachmann ispoliticians are horrible
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
If he thinks NFL starting QB's should be paid a Chinese laborers wage ...
with no benefits like health coverage – which is only for the weak who don’t deserve to live anyway – he probably is. Have a nice day! :+)
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by LocoLoboChico on Sep 14, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Republicans don't want that
Well, at least those Republicans who aren’t corporatist.
So never mind both Republicans and Democrats do want that. ;-)
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You should have seen the time our cat drank some gas I was cleaning parts with.
He took off like a flash running circles around the yard over and over. Then he came up on the porch and just fell over.
Did you proceed to dump all the gas on the Kitteh and blow him up?
Not a true Republican unless you do all of that.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
best post ever
had a good long chuckle
They used to call me butchcassidy...till i forgot my account information! LOL!
I think good QBs grow off of bushes...
They used to call me butchcassidy...till i forgot my account information! LOL!
Shrubberies
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
And one of those competions was to himself
Cassel had a higher completion percentage than he normally does.
but his reception % is off the charts :-)
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Booooooooooooooooo!
(In case he didn’t hear me Sunday.)
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
Exactly
Play well , be respected . Throw 2 yards a play , get booed.
Interesting comment from Chan after the game
I don’t remember where I saw it and I’m pretty sure it was Gailey who said it (could have been another article about another game) that when they hear the boo’s start against the home team that it helps pick up their team.
Personally I didn’t boo Sunday – I was to busy cussing – but if boo’ing gets the other team up you won’t hear me doing it.
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting 'Holy ****... What a Ride!'
i don't ever boo, it just isn't right
now i would have at the 95’ playoff game against the colts when that kicker did what he did…
by Chiefs08Matt on Sep 14, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably in Monday's Arrowheadlines.
Know it’s in one of them.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 14, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Vermeil found a QB at..........
Hy-Vee
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I was once
a believer in Cassel but now it’s year 3. Cassel is a Wheel of Fortune QB. Read: We paid too much for a known product.
Same thing was said after Chris Manno's release reflecting on having had the best workouts the coaching staff had ever seen
is a true professional. He works hard and leads by example. He’s just not talented enough.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/8/6/2348260/chris-manno-kansas-city-chiefs
how funny!
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This is absolutely Cassels biggeswt problem.
He absolutely refuses to look off his primary receiver.
He can not read defenses, can’t make progressions or scan the field and find the open receiver. This problem was covered up last year with a dominating running game forcing predictable coverages and one on one matchups.
I worry that if he struggles with this still after 3 years of starting, he just isn’t able to do it. The guy has tunnel vision.
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Why doesn't Zorn see this?
And if he does, why doesn’t he fix it?
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
I don't think its fixable.
Its not technique or effort or intelligence. I just think he struggles to see the whole field after the ball is snapped.
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So it's 'born-with' talent.
Don’t have it? Failed project. Move on. Hopefully done before the window opens.
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
I love Cassel's attitude and leadership, I just don't think he is blessed with talent.
He might have the least “god given” ability to throw the ball of any starting QB in the NFL. It looks like it takes so much effort for him to throw the ball. He doesn’t have a very strong arm, and you can overcome that, but he also lacks accuracy, and that is a bad combination.
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He also lacks pocket presence. Big time.
The kid crumbles at the first sign of line breakdown. Solid QBs stand their ground and wait for the play to develop. You rarely see that from this dude. How many times have we seen him tuck and run into the back of one of his lineman.
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
I actually thinks this also relates to his ability to read through his recievers.
When his primary guy is covered, he panics and starts to get happy feet in the pocket.
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Pocket awareness too. I don’t know if he’s fixed this, but I still remember a play from 2009 where he took a snap, and the defender basically pushed the lineman right into Cassel to get the sack.
I remember a play from last year
A DE tried to hit Albert with an inside move, Albert reacted nicely but MC caught a glance of it and literally almost fell to the ground with nobody else around him.
He has talents - wrong sport
He was a very good baseball player. His tendency to lock on the primary receiver must have to do with his pure talent – lock on and pinpoint a strike zone then hit it
I love Cassel’s attitude and leadership, I just don’t think he is blessed with talent.
Kansas City Chiefs will be the dark horse to make the playoffs in 2010
by 58 was my friend on Sep 14, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Or could be this is just what everyone who is mad at their QB says.
I honestly don’t know, cause I’m not a QB coach. Zorn knows what he’s doing. If Cassel is teachable, he’ll get better like Flaaco. If he’s not, Zorn will recommend another QB start.
It’s like AP commenters think they know better than coaches sometimes.
by bossmanham on Sep 14, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What has Zorn done to give you such faith on him?
Honest question, because why people think this guy is a successful QB coach is beyond me.
His track record is pretty unimpressive.
by bamachief5558 on Sep 14, 2011 5:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Uh, a very good QB, Joe Flacco, gave him credit for his improvement.
So I’d say his track record isn’t that bad. Especially his recent one.
upset yeah ... no doubt they had a good relationship
Zorn is pretty good, I like his style … not sure if he can work a miracle (yet) … it’s early in the season, let’s see what happens
Geaux Chiefs
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Sure haven't seen much change in Flacco since Zorn blew through town..
And he sure worked wonders with Jason Campbell, huh?
by bamachief5558 on Sep 14, 2011 5:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Campbell is pretty darn serviceable.
No one says he can put natural talent into someone. That’s God’s job.
by bossmanham on Sep 14, 2011 7:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Zorn also made Seneca Wallace into a quarterback.
Seriously, he was a JUCO cornerback that Iowa State used as a scrambler…now he pretends to be a backup. And he’s actually won some games.
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by go_saleaumua on Sep 14, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Zorn also helped Hasselbeck
when they made a Super Bowl run. It’s a good enough track record to believe in his coaching abilities.
by old_school on Sep 14, 2011 8:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe Zorn has tunnel vision, too?
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or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC0GXFNKw_I
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ha! I knew it was that before I opened the page ...
I just KNEW it
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So Republicans look like this?
Glad I’m non-partisan.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
exactly right .
Hes starring down the receiver before he even snaps the ball…
Actually I don't really agree.
He has gotten better at looking the other way then turning around and throwing the ball. The trouble is he isn’t moving his ears to scan the receivers, he is simply looking away from his primary read to try and fool the defense. Once he turns back to the primary he is locked in.
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read defenses...........
Montana could do that in a split second
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He was also one of the greatest to ever do it if not the greatest
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think a West Coast style timing pass offense would suit Cassel ... that's what made Montana so good to begin with
timing is everything … and let’s face it, it might be the ONLY thing that can help
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That is almost definitely the answer
But Haley isn’t going to do it.
"Me and Matt Cassel just fucked you up, dog!"
I disagree. In a West Coast offense
The QB has to make decisions super fast and get the ball out super fast. Neither of which suits MC at all
i think running the hurry up offense would help too
he is unstable and needs an advantage against the D…wear em out, get em winded, and unable to change packages…its the only thing that worked against Buffalos D on Sunday…I also saw NE run it most of the game Monday nite…Miami was gassed and Brady just kept pouring it on…
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
We have a West Coast offense pretty much....without the timing patterns
They are who we thought they were.
ha!
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Yeah ... I really want to see Mr. MC throwing
floating, gutshot ducks into the teeth of the defense on timing patterns. PICK 6! PICK 6! PICK 6! YUP! Let’s use WALSH’S West Coach Offense. Don Coryell was the pioneer of THE WEST COAST OFFENSE. He started it as a highschool coach in California. Avante-garde originated by a coach in California. How strange and weird? But delicious, nonetheless! Have a nice day! :+)
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by LocoLoboChico on Sep 14, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Would we rather have
5-7 wins and draft between 5-10 or 1-2 wins and draft Luck?
I know nobody wants to talk about it but elite QB’s don’t come around very often. And normally I’d say win all the games we can but Luck is a different kind of player we haven’t seen since ’98.
WHOA!
it’s only week two. I can see if this were week ten and we only had about 1-2 wins. Slow down on the “Andrew Luck” talk.
by LookListenLearn on Sep 14, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I'm hoping we have a miracle and turn it around. It's simply hypothetical.
I would ask the same question a week ago.
please do not type the name of The College QB Who Shall Not Be Named
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by upamtn on Sep 14, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wait, What?
The kicker who shall not be named, ok, love that AP fetish. As a long time lurker, it’s fun to see the newbies break the rule, and you old hands slap ’em down.
But why not name Luck? What did I miss?
2011 Script: Run for a yard, throw an incompletion, then draw or screen for negative yardage. Punt.
by DC_ChiefsFan on Sep 14, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
They're just being funny about Luck.
His name has been thrown around so much the last few days that they aptly named him “The College QB Who Shall Not Be Named” as they are tired of the talk.
Maybe SUQB#12 ?
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Which could of course lead to SUQ for LUCK talk I guess.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why in the world not?
I’m pretty sure Luck could step in day one and be less of a headache than Cassel.
by bamachief5558 on Sep 14, 2011 5:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But the headache for being the worst team in the league is worse
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes I remember when Indy was the worse team too
Then they got Manning. They have been in the playoffs ever since. This team is close to being a perrinial contender with a franchise Qb. Maybe he’s on the roster already in Stanzi. Maybe Cassel magically clicks and starts throwing darts all over the field in Detroit.
by paulredfish on Sep 14, 2011 7:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But Luck could fail us
then we go through hell again and again and again
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 15, 2011 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
50 is generous, F- in the Special Ed class is more accurate
He is, without a doubt, the worst Chiefs QB I have ever seen in my 22 years of attending games. It’s time to get militant about running his sorry ass outif town
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 14, 2011 3:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Worse than Grabac or Bono
I’m not old enough to remember those two playing. I was born in ’92
by LookListenLearn on Sep 14, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
They both played with handcuffs on...
Marty ball…run on 1st, run on 2nd, third and long…gee, our QB sucks.
Both Bono and Grbac were complete pricks
One thing I have to stand up for Cassel is that he is a leader with Character and toughness.
by paulredfish on Sep 14, 2011 7:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate Grbac.
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by go_saleaumua on Sep 14, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
You take your tough leader with character
with his noodle arm no field vision and no pocket presence. He is Terrible and will take us nowhere. All Bark No Fucking Bite
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Im ready
the running out begins now. TEBOW….oh wait….wrong post!
Don't tell nobody!
But I have been kinda wantin Tebow. So lets say it quietly so nobody hear’s us………. tebow! tebow! tebow! (in my whispering voice)
by LookListenLearn on Sep 14, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Craig in Calgary......... does too...........
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I loved him as a college QB, and I think he's a great person
…however I don’t want him anywhere near my football team.
by craig in calgary on Sep 14, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup. Exactly this.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I think Tebow will be successful if given a chance.
Playmaker. Game changer. People underrate him because he has a weird throwing motion.
by bamachief5558 on Sep 14, 2011 5:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So does Phillip Rivers....and Matt Cassel
The Yin and Yang of weird throwing motions. :)
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The difference is that Philip Rivers has a goofy delivery but throws an accurate ball with velocity.
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Well yeah
Why I said they’re the “Yin and Yang” maaaayn
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah he sure does, lol ...
I watch the Chargers a lot because I love the Air Coryell O. It looks likes he trying to throw a one-handed jump shot threw the net at the buzzer almost everytime, lol. But I’ll be damned if he doesn’t get it done like some of the best QB’s out there. Its weird!
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by LocoLoboChico on Sep 14, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet he was the champ in HS
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Steve Peuller
Hurad was just a Stopgap, cause Crodie was not ready.
Blackledge … yeah probably, but the Line was bad, no running game
and the only coach in the History of football, that had 2 teams mutiny under him.
Makavic KC and ASU the players asked for him not to be the coach..
speaking of good ol' John ...
Mackovic would later name himself his offensive coordinator, a position he held all four seasons in Kansas City … Mackovic’s first three Chiefs teams missed the playoffs … Mackovic’s record with the Chiefs was 30–34
named hisself OC … hmmm, sound familiar?
not saying, j ust saying …
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sound familiar..........
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A ridiculous statement, which HIV knows is ridiculous
No chance this is the worst QB we’ve had in 22 years.
He’s not even as bad as the starter he replaced.
Right
We’ve sucked at QB for a looooong time, since Dawson really, with a couple of seasons of Montana, a couple of seasons with Green… which was just the football gods toying with us.
I kinda hate the Chief’s habit of hiring other teams’ backups. This was the wrong Peterson tradition for Pioli to emulate.
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by DC_ChiefsFan on Sep 14, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
nice post
I think you hit the grade pretty well. Most of us think that it probably couldn’t have been worst but it could have been. He did have a TD at least. Is that the only positive?
Honestly
He shouldn’t have had any touchdowns that game. That Bills player just sucked when he tried to INT the ball. It looked like the ball litteraly went straight through his hands.
by LookListenLearn on Sep 14, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
When he threw it I thought its was going to be a pick six.
The defensive back read it all the way, but Cassel made the throw just out of his reach. I will give him credit for that TD, but I was nervous when he threw it.
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Yep. Now that we have almost all the pieces assembled let's roll the dice and pick up
a rookie QB so that we can waste 3 years getting him up to speed while we lose everyone to free agency. In fact, let’s give the rookie 15 months and then fire the coaching staff. Let’s give that new coach one season and then fire the GM. Then let him hire a new coach and draft a new rookie that doesn’t pan out. Wash, rinse, repeat.
by electriclight on Sep 14, 2011 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
well, there's always Tyler Palko ...
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CALABALOO!
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
We don't really have a say in what happens
We can hope and wish all we want. I hoped Matt Cassel would turn into Avery good QB like Trent Green. If we finish this quarter 0-4 then I am all for putting Stanzi in and seeing what he’s got. He’ll make mistakes but the evaluation can begin. He may light It up like Bradford did last year. Who knows. All I know is that after going 0-4 I will be ready for some hope and change. No Obamo
by paulredfish on Sep 14, 2011 4:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If we go 0-4 and it looks anything like last week, I think they would go to Stanzi...
"Me and Matt Cassel just fucked you up, dog!"
If the 4th game looks like this week
Home vs. Minnesota…yeah, they may consider it.
But Stanzi isn’t ready. Wish he was, but he’s not.
Yeah. His mechanics are nice, pretty throwing motion and throws a nice looking ball
But way too much on the mental side of the game to adjust to at the pro level to go still.
I think can become a damned good NFL QB. But probably not til 2013 or so. Still, stranger things have happened. But I wouldn’t want to bet the franchise on it.
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Ive bashed Cassel a lot since SUnday..
he really needs to be better…but lets face it …this WHOLE TEAM sucked ass Sunday…every phase, every position…
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
Oh yeah it was a team loss without a doubt.
Entire roster laid a big steaming turd out on the field Sunday. And the Bills are finally good enough to actually punish a team that makes the kind of mistakes we were making all day. So good on them for that, as well.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
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That’s exactly what I have decided—Cassel’s good enough to win with, but not on his own.
The comment about overpaying for a known commodity I don’t agree with. We didn’t KNOW this was Cassel back in 2008. He was a bench-to-bonus superstar, essentially the Kevin Kolb of the mid-00’s.
NOW, we know Cassel and his pluses and minuses. NOW, we need to gameplan accordingly. In 2011, there are no more excuses for him—and there shouldn’t be, either. It’s up to the staff to put the team we have right NOW in a position to win as many games as we can NOW, this year.
Cassel is basically a more athletic Bono, or Grbac with worse field vision & more intestinal fortitude. For NOW, I can live with that, IF our staff can figure out what to do with it.
Just my two cents’.
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by go_saleaumua on Sep 14, 2011 4:07 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Everyone assumes I have always hated Cassel.
Not the case at all. I thought trading for him was a good thing, and still have no problem with it. Nobody really knew what his ceiling was. My concerns are that over the past 2 years I have seen some serious flaws in his game, and quite frankly I have not seen a lot of improvement in a lot of those problems.
Cassel had a good year last year, but I worry that is the best of him we will ever see. When the Chiefs are put in throwing situations he will struggle, and those were minimized last year because of an easy schedule and the Chiefs leading a lot of games.
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not quite ... more like Cassel is good enough to win in spite of, perhaps?
That’s exactly what I have decided—Cassel’s good enough to win with, but not on his own
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I remember how we looked last year, when we gameplanned for our strengths & not our weaknesses...
We housed Seattle and knew how to beat teams we needed to beat. Cassel was a big part of that—because we asked him to do things that he could do.
Is it time to look elsewhere for our answer at QB?…that’s one question. Can we get games won with Cassel behind center? That’s another.
I think we can still beat people with Cassel if we do winning things, like limiting turnovers, running the ball, & using spread sets that let Cassel pick his target without having to guess (note I didn’t say “read”) the defense.
If that’s winning in spite of him, then I’m all for it in 2011.
Is Cassel a keeper for 2012? Right now, I’d say as backup/“competition” only. He’s John Friez or Mark Rypien, no more & no less.
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by go_saleaumua on Sep 14, 2011 5:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
*John Friesz
The dude who Seattle settled for when Rick Mirer proved to be a terrible QB.
And BTW, anyone who tells me Washington won the SB “because” of Rypien, well…I’ve got some oceanfront property in northern IA for ’em, too, lol.
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by go_saleaumua on Sep 14, 2011 5:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I hear ya ... Cassel is a win in spite of, I'm afraid ... if they ask him to do what he CAN do well, we're ok
we can still beat people with Cassel if we do winning things, like limiting turnovers, running the ball, & using spread sets that let Cassel pick his target without having to guess (note I didn’t say "read") the defense
seriously, if Zorn is such a mirable worker why did we see what we just saw? and Haley has to take some blame for the “game plan” that was just oh so wonderful … people have been calling for Muir’s head, too … sorry, but it goes back to Haley
all of it goes back to Haley, ultimately
now then, let’s gear up for Detroit … gonna be a damned tough game
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Zorn was never a miracle worker, just ask Baltimore or Washington
And the lockout really hurt him and Cassel’s connection.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
the lockout hurt everyone ...
lame excuse
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But a valid excuse..
For all teams. Do you think we would have come out as sloppily as we did in week one with a full offseason? And do you think there would have been as many high-scoring games?
I’m gonna guess no.
by bamachief5558 on Sep 14, 2011 5:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Its not an excuse just a fact
Plust its all about perspective, how many teams are the Chiefs? Zero.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Still disagree on the Zorn not being a miracle worker.
Seriously, have you ever seen Seneca Wallace? He blew so hard he made hurricanes jealous, as a passer. ISU relied on him for his legs more than anything…and Zorn was his personal tutor with the Seahags. People pin Wallace’s success on Holmgren, but I’d like to see how. At that time Holmgren was a GM as well as a coach, and barely had his hands on the wheel up there in SEA.
Zorn in Bodymore? Who else gets the credit for Flacco’s development, Cam Cameron? The next QB that Cam Cameron develops, I’d like to see it, because it’ll be the first. Heath Shuler was supposed to his project…FAIL. Gus Ferrotten? Nope. Cam coached Randle-El in college, so I suppose that works. Rivers came out of college ready to play. Cam attempted to develop Beck in MIA, and…to what effect?
In Zorn’s one year stop in BAL, he took a guy that played at a 1-AA school and survived as a rook on physical skill, and made him better at the game—by Flacco’s own admission. He helped develop Hasselbeck, and as I said, created the functioning QB that is S. Wallace.
Yea, Zorn doesn’t get enough credit in my opinion.
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by go_saleaumua on Sep 14, 2011 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
are team is far from being a super bowl team or even playoff team
I love berry as much as the next fan , but if our season is “over” because hes not playing .. we need alot more help. Also , i have a hard time believing that our team will win games with 120 passing yards..
i know hes our best safety
But our team shouldn’t rely on just one player…
I feel you
But Shaggy Pistol-steady (Or whatever his name is) needs to get outta there!… Like yesrterday!. I say give Donald Washington another chance.
by LookListenLearn on Sep 14, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Shabby........
works for me
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by LadyChief on Sep 14, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's the name!
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Over-under...
Two more games before we have a new OC…
5 before a new QB
12 before a new coach
I'll take the over on the new OC....
I know all 3 of our OCs (Haley, Muir, Zorn) won’t be gone. Maybe 1 or 2, but not all 3.
by TheFifthDimension29 on Sep 14, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
1 more ugly offensive performance and play caller changes (either to Zorn or Haley).
7 more losses until a new QB
17 more losses for a new coach (I think we are stuck with him for at least one more year.
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over on the coach also
i think because what he did last year , they wont jump the gun to rid of him just yet
We are super bowl contenders!
….oh wait Matt Cassel is out QB.
Ricky Stanzi
If Cassel is to continue with his 22-36 119 yds and follow up with an 18-24 51yds then get Stanzi ont he field, can’t be any worse and learn trial by fire. We have a decent run game (when we use it) to help him out and our wr’s are way better than Chris Chambers/Verran Tucker of yesteryear. I have defended Cassel alot but at this point there is no more defending a 29-yr old qb in his 4th yr as starter, especially after Sunday when we had open wr’s downfield and Cassel didn’t even look at them, if he only saw half that would have been a night and day difference.
Carpe Diem
This was a good write-up
Everything you’ve said hit the nail on the head. Cassel does aweful when pressured he caves and gives up looking downfield. He has aweful pocket awareness when the play begins to break down, and he doesn’t look past his first option a lot of times completely missing open targets elsewhere. I’ve been a Cassel supporter since he’s gotten here for his leadership skills and toughness. But if he doesn’t show the ability to improve in his gameplay, especially when he’s pressured, we’ve got to look somewhere else then after this season
This might have been his worst game as a Chief
3.3 YPA would be laughable if it wasn’t our QB.
Give him till the by-week, if he still shits the bed, see what we have in Stanzi as a good backup QB, then draft a real QB.
In todays NFL, the franchise QBs can be found in the first round of the NFL draft.
Brady’s and Warners are the exception to the rule. It’s a deep draft for QBs unlike last year, so enough pissing around with stop gaps, retreads, and has beens.
by craig in calgary on Sep 14, 2011 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree
In fact his last 3 games have probably been his worst 3 games as a Chief. Major concerns. If he doesn’t pick it up before the bye week I’m all in for replacing him.
I’m sorry Matt, I love ya like a brother but I’ve finally lost faith.
by The Other Patrick Allen on Sep 14, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Haley has to see at some point this year
That MC can’t get it. In fact I wouldn’t mind us having our asses handed to us a couple more times this year. The squeaky hinge gets the oil. Expose our weaknesses and hopefully they’ll get fixed. I really think that if he keeps going down this road we’re going to see Stanzi. And I KNOW Stanzi can do a better job with this offense. I know what a real QB looks like and Stanzi is a real QB.
MC literally flat out missed on 2 TD’s, well potential TD’s, and numerous first downs. Those plays would have kept their defense honest and let our D rest and make adjustments.
Are you serious right now???????
….. Cause if you are…… I agree with you!
by LookListenLearn on Sep 14, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I'm serious
For some reason Bronco fans don’t like Orton… All I know is that he can pass the ball and we have some receivers that can catch, so why not?
Or just find a way to get Orton without giving up much and maybe we keep Cassel as the veteran backup people want and Orton can start?
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Does anyone have
Pioli or Haleys email? Im going to copy and paste this thread and send it. Or, do you think they already called Vinnie Testiverdi
another Joisey Shore castoff?
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No swag
Cassel is a likable guy but I don’t have to like a player to love his game. On the converse, I can love a player but hate his game. My biggest concern is that I have never seen the fire from Cassel. No Confidence. No Swagger. No Moxie. He looks defeated on his 3 and outs. He looks defeated well before a game is over.
I don’t expect him to throw fits on the sideline like that guy from Whale’s Vagina aka San Diago, but some emotion towards his teammates, towards coaches, or towards a Gatorade jug would be nice. The team feeds off of his demeanor. When he walks off the field with his shoulders slumped he looks broke. He doesn’t act like a starting quarterback in the NFL.
I would love for Cassel to be the answer, I just don’t see it. I can definitely see a lifetime movie based off of how nice of a guy he is though! “The Nicest Quarterback”. I would root for him in that movie, cry with my wife, and maybe even share some popcorn with the dogs. If he proves me wrong and takes the the Chiefs to the Super Bowl, I would root for him, cry with my wife, and maybe even share some popcorn with the dogs.
by GITM on Sep 14, 2011 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
a year ago it was all about his movie, his competitiveness, his leadership ...
No Confidence. No Swagger. No Moxie.
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Movie? He did a movie?!!
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by DC_ChiefsFan on Sep 14, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Have we ever won a game....
….. because of Cassel??
by LookListenLearn on Sep 14, 2011 4:39 PM CDT reply actions
No.
Every time I make this point people like to bring up St. Louis and Seattle ’10.. two games on which Charles romped up and down the field.
We don’t win because of Cassel, we win even with Cassel.
by bamachief5558 on Sep 14, 2011 6:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Flowers I think you hit the nail on the head.....everything you said was right on....
He is a classy guy but I just dont think he is a winner….some QB’s have that presence..Matt does not….if you look at the teams that won last week,the teams that were a non- throwing team didn’t win..that just shows you in the NFL you better be able to throw….but to say we need to run all day is B.S. also….you have to be able to throw to give JC a chance….to me Cassel has no confidence…you can see it in his face..damn I hate to call it after the very first game….hopefully they can get the ball rolling against the Lions…and no I dont mean on the ground…GO CHIEFS!
Trust me. Pioli and Haley see all the same things we do on tape, maybe even more.
They are just in a bind right now and there isn’t much else to do. If we put Stanzi in it looks like we gave up on the season to the rest of the outside world.
I think Cassel gives this team the best chance to win right now.
I think he should play until the season is lost, and I want a high draft pick QB next year. Sorry to the Stanzi fans, but I am not banking on a 5th rounder being the saviour.
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Ricky Stanzi is a very good QB
15 years ago he is a first rounder. The sensationalism surrounding these one year wonders in college these days is ridiculous. The kid showed dramatic improvement every year in college. Won big games and beat tough teams consistently. He dropped because of bad decisions he showed early in his career. All the Cam Newtons and Mark Sanchezes of the world never had a chance to show weaknesses in college and they are somehow rewarded for it.
I’d rather see a QB come back and build from adversity like Stanzi did in college, not have it hidden for years and get stuck with a dud like Matt Cassel
I think our 1st round draft pick next year should be some beef
On the offensive or defensive lines. We are clearly thin at both, especially on the offensive side. Guess that’s all contingent on whether there’s beef to go around next year in the draft though…
by Chiefs08Matt on Sep 14, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yet our OL actually graded out okay against the Bills
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
depends on the definition of "ok"
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Graded very highly in pass protection.
Decent in run blocking, but we never set up a good enough rhythm to get it going. Only two runs in the 2nd half IIRC.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to hard to pass protect for the 2 yard slant.
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That's true
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bills didn't blitz a whole lot.
They gave Cassel plenty of rope. Against the 3- and 4-man rush, you need to hang in there and let routes develop. You need to throw to the spot where the guy’s GOING to open up. You don’t have the luxury of seeing him open, exchanging Christmas cards, and THEN throwing it.
would of ≠ would've
I wonder if Cassel suffers temporary blindness when he hits the field?
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by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
This is my whole point ...
plus a bunch of physical aspects of his play: What HE, PERSONALLY, HIMSELF lacks that a solid starting NFL QB needs to have every passing snap of almost every game. So my opinion of him hasn’t changed one bit about him since 2009. He lacks the instincts and mental speed, reactions, reflexes and thought processes needed from a NFL level starting QB.
That’s exactly what so many QB’s that are back-ups lack. With some, its other, more physical issues. He’s a good back up if you give him a castle of an OLine that provides 15 seconds to make up his mind. A good back-up:That’s always been his ceiling. That’s what he is. And he always will be.
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by LocoLoboChico on Sep 14, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d have to agree on that. I like Cassel’s drive to get better and will to do whatever it takes to get better, but it just ain’t happening. I’d really like to see Stanzi jump in when a game gets out of hand.
by Enphrared on Sep 14, 2011 4:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
not to mention the players ...
If we put Stanzi in it looks like we gave up on the season to the rest of the outside world
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True
Even though in the limited preseason action I’ll tell ya one small thing I saw that went unnoticed. When Stanzi was on the field he commanded the huddle. When he was getting destroyed within seconds of the ball being snapped there were respected vets coming to his side and showing support and rallying around him. I have NEVER seen players do that for Cassel
I don't know where this is coming from...
People the last week have acted like Stanzi was good in the preseason…he was not.
Did he have a ton of time, no, but he did not play well.
Also, I’m an Iowa fan, and this kid simply isn’t ready. I’m a huge fan of him, but he is not ready now. In a few years, it is possible, but this notion that he would’ve been a 1st round pick 15 years ago is preposterous.
I watched, literally every game he played in college. He doesn’t meet the criteria of players that were first round picks this year or 15 years ago. I like him, but he needs time. The expectations from everyone need to be severely tempered. He’s not a savior, he is, legitimately a 5th round pick who may develop.
I was saying the same thing about Gabbert this last offseason
But apparently all the scouts were in love with his arm. Whatever. What was the final score of that bowl game last year again???
by Chiefs08Matt on Sep 14, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
With Gabbert
It’s about his size and arm strength. Scouts fell in love with that. At least you can imagine where it comes from.
Same thing, honestly, with Josh Freeman. He and Gabbert were similarly mediocre in college, but had some projectables. Sometimes (often) those fall skills don’t actually translate, but at least you can hear a scout telling his GM how a guy is a 1st round talent.
Gabbert has good size and a great arm, and is very, very intelligent
he went first round for a lot of reasons, and he’s going to be a damned good NFL QB …
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Stanzi was good in the preseason when he had 2 seconds to throw the ball
He threw excellent, well timed passes. He made progressions which MC doesn’t do. I never said he was ready to play right now but with a year or 2 to develop he is a hands down better QB than MC. I watch football, I know a good QB when I see one, Stanzi is a good QB
Stanzi did fine in preseason against 3rd and 5th stringers in games that meant nothing
that said, he’s still a raw rookie with a lot to learn … but sure, toss him out there behind a suspect OLine and let him get hammered a few times by Suh & Co … that’ll do wonders for his confidence and game, right?
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Trial by fire?
Sometimes its the only way to learn.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
the rat....
did that with cutler
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by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
That is a pretty good guess!
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by saskwatch on Sep 14, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
He does have similar characteristics
He’s in Washington now so I bet he gets fat off all that Gubmint Cheese
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by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
sometimes it is ... but it also says you're blowing off the entire year
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Not necessarily
Keeping Cassel as a starter when he’s clearly horrible, now that’s blowing off the entire year.
Letting the Rookie get some snaps and he plays well, then we very well could still be in it.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said start him this week did I?
I said with time he will be better than Cassel. I don’t care if it was against 8th stringers. His timing and delivery were very good and his progressions were very good. Not to mention his throws were accurate. I didn’t even say he should start this year at all.
Well
I watch football, I know a good QB when I see one
Good for you, I suppose. What you are saying is you are smarter than every GM in the NFL if you think he is a 1st round talent. You may be right, and I hope you are…but I’m not ready to dive in.
Having watched as much Stanzi as anyone else, from my point of view, there is a hope he will develop, and that is about it.
Maybe you didn't read this link.
www.StanzisthenextBradybecausesomeguywithtoomuchtimesaidso.com
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That's a great one...I visit it all the time
I remember the link to another 5th round pick of ours a couple years ago, but the site has been taken down for some reason:
www.ColinBrownisthebiggeststealinNFLdrafthistoryandwillbethenextAnthonyMunoz.com
I have that one bookmarked too.
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I remember when Bledso went down and the Pats put Brady in as well
Everyone thought their season was over and most didn’t realize what a great qb Brady was until years later.
by paulredfish on Sep 14, 2011 8:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, Brady showed he was not just a back up in 13 games.
Cassel had 3 years + now
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by 58 was my friend on Sep 14, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Oops. Thought you were referring to Cassel. It's Stanzi. Nevermind.
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by 58 was my friend on Sep 14, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
FREE #7 Jersey
Actually I will pay you to take it off my hands. I have never seen a QB with worse defense reading skills. He gets the snap, looks at one reciever, and either throws the ball to him or takes a sack. It just pisses me off to watch other teams with a good QB. The only question is, “which #12 will we take in the draft?” Hopefully we don’t screw around and win too many games to get Luck, but I will still be happy with Jones.
Deluded.
Definition of anyone who thinks Cassel is the only reason we lost the game and simply replacing him would solve all the problems.
what about those of thus who have been saying the exact same things about Cassel for over a year?
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You aren't ever going to stop, whether he's bad or good.
As is evidenced by when he had 12 really good games last year and it didn’t shut any Cassel hater up.
I almost say what is the point
the BUFFALO BILLS beat us 41-7. Now without Berry. If you play fantasy football, pick up and start any offensive player that plays us.
btw ... Elway was one of the best QB's to ever play the game
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He was also overrated
And a thorn in the Chiefs side for years
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
overrated? by whom?
aside from the fact that he played for the Broncos what makes you say
that? let’s see here …
* Rated #23 NFL Player of all-time by NFL.com as of 2009 season
* 9× Pro Bowl selection (1986, 1987, 1989, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998)
* 3× 2nd Team All-Pro selection (1987, 1993, 1996)
* NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
* 1987 NFL MVP
* 2× Super Bowl champion (XXXII, XXXIII)
* Super Bowl XXXIII MVP
* 2× UPI AFL-AFC Offensive Player of the Year (1987, 1993)
- Walter Camp Man of the Year Award Winner
overrated, you say?
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Yes Overrated, but in the context of the all time greats list
He was a damn good player, I wish the Chiefs could have drafted him instead of Blackledge
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
coward ;-)
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I guess my problem is that I believe the best way to ensure you are competitive every single year in the NFL is to have a great QB.
Cassel is the best QB on the Chiefs and should be starting, but quite frankly I don’t think he is ever great. If you are a GM and you don’;t have a great QB, it is your job to try and find one.
This franchise has not tried since they drafted Blackledge.
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Honestly- I think Pioli thought he found one in Cassel
Turns out it was smoke and mirrors courtesy of Bill Belichick. If we look back now and go behind close doors, could there be a chance Belichich knew Brady was gonna be OK and return healthy but just for speculation sake, put a FRANCHISE TAG on Cassel to up his value riding on his mid-to-good 15 game season replacing Brady?
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by 58 was my friend on Sep 14, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
what it means is a good O Line makes EVERY QB look better
the game slows down for them…I saw Tom Brady stand there for at least 7-8 seconds Monday nite and nobody got within 5 feet of him…he scanned the field at least three times then launched a bomb downfield that was not caught…Cassel got his 62million dollar contract standing behind that line…..that now has a new RG named Brian Waters….My biggest beef with Pioli is he has not done much to upgrade the O Line. Sure he has brought in a few has beens and mid round rookies, but he refuses to go out and spend some money and get some proven talent….
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
Replace him with Brady and all the problems are solved
That’s how much a QB matters in this league.
Replace him with an average NFL quarterback and we lose the game something like 30-24 or we may even narrowly pull it out
by The Other Patrick Allen on Sep 14, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I liked this part
I will grant that Bill Muir did quite possibly the worst job of play-calling this side of Mike Solari,
Re-watch the game
and then tell me that Cassel looks the field over before he makes a throw. Yes, maybe a couple times a game, but not like a “pro bowl QB” should do. If you can tell yourself yes, go to the nearest mental hospital and check yourself in.
KCQB#7= $63M scam
$79 tickets, $27 to park, $12 beers, all to pay Casshole his money?! He should be put in jail for grand theft and fraud. Worse QB in the NFL.
I don't think he is the worst QB in the league
but I also don’t think you build your team around him either.
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I wouldn't trade him for the following:
McNabb, McCown, A. Smith, T. Jackson, J. Campbell.
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McNabb, Smith, TJax, Cambell
atleast have the arm (and the balls) to throw it farther than 3.3yds down the field. McCown is a push. Bauman > Cassel
I like Cassel's leadership.
McNabb is done (he actually was worse this week, 2.7 YPA)
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Only thing I respect about Casshole
is his ability to hustle $63M from bitch Clark Hunt. Id steal $63M form that clown too if I could
Has anyone ever stopped to think about this 1 minor detail
Cassel has had 4 different OC/QB coaches in his first 4 years as a starting QB.
1st year he had Josh McDaniels, good OC and QB coach, Cassel had a pretty good year
2nd year Haley was pulling double duty as head coach and OC and he had no QB coach, Cassel did not have a good year
3rd year he had Charlie Weis, good OC and QB coach, after a couple of games Cassel started having a really good year until Weis bailed on us
4th year he has a guy who probly shouldnt be an OC and a good QB coach, who knows how its gunna turn out but maybe what Cassel needs is some consistency around him
Weis didn't bail on us ... and Cassel had good games only until we played BIGGER FASTER STRONGER TEAMS
Cassel started having a really good year until Weis bailed on us
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We played the 6 million dollar man?
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Or maybe this is more of the issue.
Year one- excellent team, elite wide receiver that dictated rolled coverage and predictable defenses, allowing easy recognition, and a playmaker that could win the jump ball.
Year 2- rebuilding team
Year 3- Good team with a dominating running game that dictated defenses and create one on one matchups in coverage and a receiver able to win the battles one on one, and a soft schedule.
Year 4- To be seen hopefully we can have a dominant running game again.
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matt matt mattt
he is what i call a …… shit bag QB……and its funny how a QB nick named brokie croly could throw the ball deeper then cassel
ha..ha...ha..ha..ha
this dude said he thought matt cassel could lead us to a super bolw lol
Question:
Cassel threw for 3.31 YPA. To illustrate how bad that is, he’s the only quarterback in NFL history to complete 22 or more passes and not throw for at least 120 yards
Where did you find this? I hypothosised as much after the game, but couldn’t find a good place to find the stats.
by craig in calgary on Sep 14, 2011 5:48 PM CDT reply actions
Wondered the same thing when I read it
I even tried to google it after I read that and still couldn’t find it.
YAC
Yards after catch. How does that factor? Ive been using the example from early in the game…Cassel throws it to the line of scrimmage, Pope shakes a tackle, gains 8 yards. Cassel gets credit for those 8yds?! Id argue his average was actually much lower
It was horrible.
I think he only completed one pass that was thrown more than 5 yards downfield.
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Steve had the breakdown in 1 of the 129310238 fanposts since Monday
He was 1-9 for balls 10+ yards
by craig in calgary on Sep 14, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
1-9 with an INT
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I think this comment is really more of a fanpost.
Actually I might create a fanpost poll to see whether this comment should have been a fanpost.
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hahahahahaha, check this out
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=231
Out of our 119yds passing, 88 were YAC
So what you're saying...he was actually averaging 1.4 yrds per throw?
22 completions, 31 yards (Completely removing 88 yrds of YAC).
Wow.
So the average completion was 1.5 yards downfield?
That will help open up the running lanes.
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How does this compare to other QB's...
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
I'm tired of making excuses for this guy
He’s not the answer at QB. The only one on this team that MAY have it is Stanzi, but he’s too green and I haven’t seen enough to really know.
I think this all boils down to the infamous "pocket problem"
He doesn’t go through his progressions because the instinct to avoid the negative play doesn’t allow him to hang in there to find the open receiver; he forces to his first read, or baills on the pocket far too often. Can it be fixed???
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Sep 14, 2011 6:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
He has some un-learning to do, after 2 years of "Just get rid of it. Nobody's blocking."
Looks like a classic case of happy feet/shell shock. How do you handle yourself, when all you have to do is slide to the side and set up for the throw? Cassel acts like a man who expects to be pummelled and I think the passes being called, especially after the rib injury, were all about giving nobody a chance to get to him.
Not sure if he can un-learn the conditioning of 2 years of being pummelled every time he tried to create something. 2 years of deliberate scheming to protect him from decisions.
would of ≠ would've
Seriously. He is so media savvy. Calm and cool when Haley screams at him
yet, when he takes the field, all of that calmness and savvyness evaporates. why is he never poise when under pressure? is that talent? or does he really have physical limitations when it comes to executing at real game speed. (i doubt he loses his poise during practice cuz he’s wearing the OFF-Limits jacket) Maybe they should try letting him practice where our defense gets to knock him off…
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by 58 was my friend on Sep 14, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love to see you stay "poised and confident" behind our current o-line!
Hang in there tough guy. ;)
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I don't get paid millions and am not a professional football player playing quarterback.
Youre in the NFL for a reason. Big Ben does all the time. Lets pick someone smaller – Jeff Garcia use to run around like a chicken without his head, yet he is poise enough to locate a 2nd or 3rd option while being hurried or chase by 300LB linemen.
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by 58 was my friend on Sep 14, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right, you don't get paid millions nor do I. But what I have read here this evening, indeed is lynch mob mentality.
I’m not defending Cassel, he looked like shit Sunday. However, the whole organization did as well.
This blame it all on the QB rage is really sad, and pathetic. My town has been in a blame the quarterback mode since the end of the 90’s, and that includes Trent Green’s first couple of years here.
It’s a TEAM, and our TEAM failed Sunday, in ALL phases.
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Those that wish potentially fatal diseases or other ill-fortunes on others, are the LOWEST form of trash!
by crashman6 on Sep 14, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True I agree. It's been pouring since the end of game one
But as Chiefs fans, I think we’re entitled to expect the best product put on the field. And if you bought the #7 jersey, you’re entitled to rant about him when the end product is not matching up to the publicity and marketing
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by 58 was my friend on Sep 14, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll happy if Cassel can just move da damn chains
It’s Matt Cassel’s team. It’s not Dustin Colquitt’s team. A team in dire can always count on a QB as the cool and poise player that can at least quite the opposing Defense by get a few first downs, completing critical 3rd downs when need be. Cassel in 3 years have never shown that ability.
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by 58 was my friend on Sep 14, 2011 6:54 PM CDT reply actions
Hindsight's 20/20, but
I think we can all agree that Tyson Jackson has been a bust for a 3rd overall pick. Would you rather that we had skipped on the Cassel deal and drafted Mark Sanchez or Josh Freeman or still traded for Cassel and drafted someone else? Or insert third option here.
by joplin chiefs fan on Sep 14, 2011 6:56 PM CDT reply actions
What's done is done. What if's doesn't not help this team
But when you going with that theory, it may not be too late to draft a QB in next year draft with the first round pick. Whether or not we end up with the top pick, if Andrew Luck is a player Pioli thinks that could be a franchise QB, we should trade up and nab our future QB. Cassel should still in 2012 and we can bring Luck along slowly.
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by 58 was my friend on Sep 14, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
That sounds good in theory...
But if Andrew Luck is good enough to justify the boner everyone seems to have for him, I doubt anyone would trade down. What would trade bait could we use to get someone to trade away the next Manning or Brady.
That being said…Luck could have made a colossal mistake by returning to school. He could have let-down of a season or get hurt.
by joplin chiefs fan on Sep 14, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really. If we suck this year. Chances are good for Chiefs to pick No. 1.
If he came out last year, I’d hate to see Carolina with Luck and 6 years down the road complaint that it could have been the Chiefs instead of Panthers. On the other hand, if Luck injures himself and have a let down, then we’ll also find out that he is not durable worthy of a top draft pick. WIN WIN situation that he stayed back.
That being said…Luck could have made a colossal mistake by returning to school. He could have let-down of a season or get hurt.
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by 58 was my friend on Sep 14, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll be happy if Cassel can just move da damn chains
It’s Matt Cassel’s team. It’s not Dustin Colquitt’s team. We punt more than we keep our defense off the field. A team in dire should always be able to count on their leader/ QB. The QB must show poise and be cool enough to at least quiet the opposing Defense by getting a few first downs, completing critical 3rd downs when need be. Cassel in 3 years have never shown that ability.
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by 58 was my friend on Sep 14, 2011 6:57 PM CDT reply actions
THIS THREAD IS PRICELESS!!! Bookmarked!
I CAN NOT WAIT (Get out of my chair RAWKC!!!) to reference this post, come week 18 and we’re in the playoffs! (Pray for my pychosis brothers!) I pray we go and I can come back and laugh at the "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! The 53 MAN ROSTER IS A FAILURE BECAUSE OF 1! LET’S SUCK FOR LUCK!!!
My god what has become of us?
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Watch it... That slogan might just catch on.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
!!!TOO LATE!!!
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Muir
Did he really go to sleep? What’s the basis of that comment?
Niiiiiice. I think it's just a mild case of Narcolepsy.
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DUDE...
SERIOUSLY….. THIS PISSES ME OFF! He should have been fired as soon as this footage hit! If Haley fails, eventually; this footage needs to be revisited. This was HIGHLY embarrassing when it came up on a couple of national radio shows! UNACCEPTABLE!!!
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by Jason Drue Keith on Sep 14, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
He's obviously looking down
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 14, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He is looking at the play sheet.
But its fun to pretend he is too old and fell asleep.
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Oh I know
But it doesn’t seem like that guy was joking
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Sep 15, 2011 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I went Just Right!
He is NOT too blame for the inept performances. If you look at the video from the first series, you can clearly see him turn and yell at the bench “what’s the play!” Knowing this and knowing that our O-Line is WORSE then we thought it was. I’d say it is more of a team deal. Mix in footage of Bill Muir acting with NO PASSION on multiple TV shots(one it appeared he dozed of)! We just don’t have the right personnel! Matt canNOT block for himself. He, so far; has not been given play calling abilities. The one TD drive we had was Matt running the hurry up. He was very effective on the drive. That indicates that the current system may be slowing him down. He is on his 4th coordinator over the last 4 years. This also needs to be figured into this equation! He has had NO continuity! Thanks for reading my diatribe!
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by Jason Drue Keith on Sep 14, 2011 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
MOTHERF@#$ING REC'D JASON DRUE! NOW HAND ME A MUFFIN!
How dare you come in and use rational thinking in this collective derp, that is this thread!
"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
Those that wish potentially fatal diseases or other ill-fortunes on others, are the LOWEST form of trash!
The loss was not Cassel's but after your team fumbled the opening kickoff and you just gave up a TD, the QB went out and an laid egg.
The QB acted like the 1st 3 play calls were a total surprise.
by NFL season ticket holder on Sep 14, 2011 7:29 PM CDT reply actions
Not enough credit given to Cassel's injury
Now just wait. Before I get bashed for being a Cassel apologist, I just want to say that I wish we had a true franchise quarterback, definitely of elite status, as much as the next guy. But I think the assessments based on Sunday are given too much weight. I mean, a little over a week ago, Cassel was moving around in practice looking like he had no business taking the field against Buffalo. Does nobody remember that?
The gameplan was obviously to keep the passes short, keep the game manageable for Cassel, and when things got out of hand the gameplan was obviously a failure. If you want another quarterback, there is definitely enough evidence to support your opinion. But let’s not forget the injury when using Sunday’s numbers to justify your arguments. I do apologize for this currently unpopular rant. But I think we’ve heard enough about the short passing game Sunday.
by old_school on Sep 14, 2011 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And why...
was he injured? Because our starting O-Line could protect him from Green Bay back-ups!
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by Jason Drue Keith on Sep 14, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he was injured because
he has no pocket presence and held the ball for entirely too long staring down 1 receiver.
*could NOT protect him
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by Jason Drue Keith on Sep 14, 2011 7:45 PM CDT reply actions
Cassel had a great year in 2010.
If you’re going to make your assessment of his ability and worth from one game, then the Steelers should fire Big Ben. His stats for week one are MUCH WORSE.
Don’t be stupid, guys. One game is not a good sample.
Big Ben's last two games have sucked.
He didn’t look that great in the Super Bowl.
Fire the loser. Locks on to one receiver. YAK YAK QUARTERBACK HATE YAK!!!
I think the key word in your comparison to Big Ben is "Super Bowl"
Do you honestly see Cassel leading a team to the Super Bowl?
We can assess his career
He’s been flatlining since New England. Hasn’t gotten significantly better or worse. Still cant throw a deep ball, or throw accurately. He’s a mediocre game managing qb at best.
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