Chiefs vs Bills Week #1: Breaking Down The O-Line Tape
by Bewsaf on Sep 12, 2011 8:58 AM CDT
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Week #1
The Kansas City Chiefs lost to the Buffalo Bills at Arrowhead, by a score of 7-41 this past Sunday. All the questions fans had after the last preseason game appeared to be answered. The Chiefs were not ready for their first preseason game.
Despite the lopsided score, many offensive lineman had decent games. One of note, is Barry Richardson and his performance in pass protection.
Let's look at those offensive line grades for the first half only...
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Power Blocking |
Power Blocking Score |
2nd Level Blocks |
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| Did the lineman get the job done or not? These grades are good for understanding value for a team and not necessarily for comparing across teams. A game in the mid 80s to 90% is a decent score. |
How often did the offensive lineman dominate the block or how often did he get dominated? These scores are good for comparing across teams and finding the most dominant lineman in the league. |
Anything over zero is a good score. The more over zero the more the lineman dominated the defender. Each lineman is scored a minus for being dominated, a zero for a draw, or a plus for dominating the defender. |
The number of success over failures for the lineman when blocking linebackers and safeties on the second level. The lineman must be athletic to accomplish a high second level score. |
Run Blocking Grades
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| Albert | 87% |
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+2 |
0 |
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| Lilja | 68% |
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-2 |
-2 |
+1 |
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| Wiegmann | 93% |
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0 |
+5 |
0 |
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| Asamoah | 75% |
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+2 |
0 |
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| Richardson | 81% |
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+1 |
+3 |
0 |
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Run Blocking Notes:
- First run play, Asamoah fails to get to the 2nd level quick enough. At the same time, Barry Richardson locks onto his defender and allows him to slide off his block.
- At :55 in the 1st, Ryan Lilja falls down as he is going for a second level block. His linebacker goes free and scrapes to tackle Jamaal Charles but is unable to get their quick enough. Charles gets around the end.
- Chiefs run a lot of draw plays, but the Bills aren't biting. Most of the draws are ineffective in the game against Buffalo.
- Barry Richardson gets 3 dominant blocks in the run game against the Bills. But he also gets dominated twice. Power blocking score for the day is +1.
- Lilja has a bad day run blocking. He ends up with a -2 power blocking score.
- At 4:24 in the 4th quarter, Branden Albert gets a good draw block on the outside rusher and then moves on to pick up a second block on a linebacker on the second level.
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Passing Power Blocking |
Pressures | Combo Help |
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| Did the lineman get the job done or not? These grades are good for understanding value for a team and not necessarily for comparing across teams. A game in the 90% is a good score for pass blocking. |
How often did the offensive lineman dominate the block or how often did he get dominated? Each lineman is scored a minus for being dominated, a zero for a draw, or a plus for dominating the block. | How often did the offensive lineman give up pressure on the quarterback? Every once and a while a lineman can do his job but give up pressure on the QB. This stat will help glean more info from the line grades. |
How often did the offensive coordinator provide help for a tough defender or a struggling lineman. Yea, two lineman ended up with the same grade...but how much help did either of them get? |
Pass Blocking Grades
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| Albert | 98% |
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+5 |
1 |
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3 |
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| Lilja | 95% |
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0 |
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10 |
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| Wiegmann | 94% |
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1 |
12 |
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| Asamoah | 91% |
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-2 |
1 |
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5 |
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| Richardson | 91% |
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-1 |
7 |
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3 |
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Pass Blocking Notes:
- Branden Albert has a great pass blocking. He ends up with a +5 power score which tells us that Branden dictated or was in total control of the defender five more times than the defender dominated Albert.
- Barry Richardson has a good day pass blocking for him. He ends up doing his job on most every snap. He does give up too much ground, at times, and as a result, gets marked down for a pressure on Cassel. But his play was much better.
- The Chiefs run a lot of slide pass protection and bootleg action. Probably to help in pass protection from time to time. But even without it, and in the shotgun, the protection was acceptable. So, the question then becomes...if the protection was good enough to complete passes then why didn't the Chiefs have more success in the passing game?
- Chiefs run a lot of screens. Not sure if the Bill were that worried about the deep ball and getting pressure on the QB enough to run that many screens.
- At 12:16 in the 2nd quarter, Jon Asamoah gets bull rushed by the defender (#91) and gives up a sack.
- 4:58 left in the 2nd quarter, Casey Wiegmann and Jon Asamoah pick up loop stunt. At the same time, Richardson and Leonard Pope pick up a defensive line loop stunt. Nice to see the tackles and Pope communicating on those stunts. Last week, the Chiefs missed two of them.
- On the scoring touchdown by the Chiefs, 1:51 in the 2nd, Brandon Albert and Ryan Lilja pick up a loop stunt to buy Matt Cassel a little more time for the throw.
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Good to know.
It’s nice to get some good news. Richardson doing a good job takes some of the sting off. Let’s hope he keeps it up.
by Chief-Eli on Sep 12, 2011 8:47 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
KILLLER KILLER KILLER
Thanks for putting this together. GREATLY appreciated.
Thank God the Cowboys lost…or my life would be complete HELL right now.:)
I would be happay with 9 and 7. We're building something special here. DO NOT throw out the baby with the bathwater. Short of 5 and 11, Todd has my trust.
by WorldChampSpurs on Sep 12, 2011 8:59 AM CDT reply actions
Thanks Bewsaf
I always look forward to your break downs.
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting 'Holy ****... What a Ride!'
Thanks..........
I bet that was painful to watch again……….
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Looks like
Richardson is doing better but still not good enough with the 7 pressures allowed
I eat success for breakfast....with skim milk.
by ChiefRoyal on Sep 12, 2011 9:25 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Like he said, most of those came from being pushed back, not by allowing his man in the backfield. Pretty significant difference.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
The problem is that this is the same shit we dealt with last year.
Cassel still has no pocket to step up into, plus with sore ribs he was playing scared. Haleys plan failed, now it’s time to go back to what got you there last year and that’s to run the ball.
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Doctors will find out that Tebows blue balls were effecting his ability to throw a accurate pass.
The problem is that people are still willing to blame the line for Cassel’s poor play.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Not me anymore,
Yes the line sucked, but Cassel doesn’y have IT. What did he avg. 3.3 yards a pass, he won’t even take a shot down field.
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
I didn’t think the line “sucked” when I was watching the game and Bewsaf’s analysis only re-enforces that. They looked average at times, but the offensive line wasn’t the glaring problem that we thought it would be.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Dexter and Charles where targeted the most by Cassel.
That’s play calling in my book, that’s Haley or who ever hoping for a big play from one of them too often, when they should look down field more.
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Doctors will find out that Tebows blue balls were effecting his ability to throw a accurate pass.
by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
They who?
when they should look down field more.
Cassel is the one throwing the ball, and I guarantee we didn’t bolster our receiving corps only to call dump-offs all day. There’s only so much you can attribute to play calling. Cassel needs to be better.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on Sep 12, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Who evers calling the plays
If all the WRs short quick routes who the hell is he going to throw to down field? I agree that Cassel needs to be better, but this team should look and play better than they did as a whole unit .
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
You ever consider WHY they call short passing plays?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Ahhh I don't know, maybe it's because they know he won't have much time before the pocket comes crashing in on Cassel.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
A 3-step drop can get you six, seven yards. a 5-step drop can get ya 12.
And that’s with throwing it at the end of the drop. And these routes are designed for those WRs to be open by the time you complete your drop. He most certainly had time to be successful.
Hell, man, look at Bewsaf’s post. The ENTIRE line graded out in the 90s for pass blocking. I mean.. how the hell do you explain that?
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on Sep 12, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
His post can be decieving.
Even though it looks like the o-line had a good game on paper, it wasn’t that way when i watched it on T.V. What i saw was Cassel being pressured just about every time he threw the ball.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
And what I saw was a quarterback shitting his pants every time he dropped back. No different than the last two years against defenses with any talent.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I agree Cassel did look uncomfortable in the pocket.
Maybe his ribs hurt more than the team or him let on. Not to mention the fact that Cassel most likely knows he has about 3 seconds before he gets smashed.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Injuries and offensive line…just can’t get by without the excuses?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
So everything that happened was Cassel fault?
B.Rich allowing 7 pressures was Cassel’s fault? The defense letting the Bills score 28 points on offense was Cassel’s fault? Dexters fumble was Cassel’s fault? You’re right what was i think lets blame everything on him. It’s Cassel fault the Bill made the Chiefs as a “TEAM” look like a bunch of bitch’es.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree completely.
Put together an O-Coordinator who designs a gameplan like he is planning for his O-Line to fail and a quarterback who plays scared and you’ll have a hard time moving the football and opening up your running game.
by PainTrain29 on Sep 12, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Is it just me or does the league let the CBs rape the WRs more this year or what.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
CPT we are fighting a battle we can't win.
Cassel looked bad yesterday. So we will excuse the steps forward he took last year and write him off. Until we get the next coming of Manning we will never be a fan base that can support a QB. And again I admit Cassel looked bad yesterday.. and everyone else did too!
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Sep 12, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep the team looked like a bunch of high school boys playing a NFL team.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
they were boys amongst men
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Sep 12, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Cassel looked bad last year, too, unless we were playing god awful defenses. It’s not a new thing.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
numbers don't support that..
hell even the opinion of some of the best NFL anaylsis were liking Cassel. Oh well I dont think he is amazing.. but I’m willing to let him try to progress from last year. He got better 2009 to 2010. I probably will eat crow but I still think good things can happen. Just hate when I support our QB I’m tagged has a Cassel lover or homer.. instead of a person who sees a QB getting better year to year. If he looks this way after a few weeks then I will gladly eat crow. But some things around him need to improve.
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Sep 12, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
But I’m done arguing about it. Lets fire Cassel and get another QB who will look just as bad, because this team as a whole looks like shit. Haley plan for pre-season fail and the Chiefs are paying for it along with the fans.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Play calling has alot to do with that.
The Chiefs should’ve have been running the ball on first and second down, no matter what.
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Herm, is that you?
I kid, I kid…
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Sep 12, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Most of those pressures were from him being pushed back a little to close to Cassel. Also…if the defender ends up getting pushed deep but still makes Cassel step up then the lineman gets a job done (he rode the defender deep, maybe because he was a 1/2 step slow though) but gets a pressure at the same time.
So it just seemed like Cassel had no time then?
Because I gotta tell ya from my point of view he didn’t unless you count all the play action on 1st downs when we should be running the ball. J.Charles averaged over 5 yards a carry but only ran the ball 10 times, I thought Haley was better than this. I didn’t think we would miss C.Weis that much but boy was i wrong. Who ever is calling the plays they suck!!
I blame terrible play calling along with the loss of T.Moeaki and Cassel playing like a nervous nelly in the pocket………………… Oh and T.Jones and J.Baldwin as well. Having Baldwin on the field could have helped out Cassel some, not that he looks to the left unless the pass is going there in the first place.
Thanks for the breakdown..
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It looked like he had no time in the pocket because of the play-calling.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
My view was
a combination of 1) receivers not able to get open (that’s why they went out and got Breaston and drafted on in the 1st round) 2) not really a dynamic play calling game plan. 3) Got behind early and what the Chiefs wanted to do might have went out the window.
Maybe it just seemed this way, but it didn’t look like the receivers were given many opportunities to get open. There have been several screen shots of wide open receivers already posted, so I’m not sure that was as big of a factor as the play-calling.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
exactly.. I stated this several times yesterday..
Of coarse game day threads arent capable of holding logical, thought out conversation. I was at the game. I sit upper level row 3 and it’s a great spot to watch route running. ROUTE RUNNING WAS HORRID. When I pointed it out people would post pics of open recievers. We if they aren’t running the route where Cassel is expection them then its no good anyways. We all know he isn’t the best at reading progressions, so being in the wrong spot is detrimental.
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Sep 12, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Are the recievers not getting open...
or is still just a matter of Cassel being way too slow with his ability to make a decision,and delivering the ball. Add in the fact that he has zero acting ability to decoy the D, and they have plenty of time to get there before the ball. Guess you could add in poor arm strength with that too.
Cassel is the King of dink & dunk.
He obviously is becoming a liability. Injury or not.
I’m willing to see more of Palko. He at least knows where the 1st down marker is.
Haley wins coach of the year 2011
Chiefs 2011 rookie class proves better than 2010's WOW!!!
Cant call him the King of shit
He may dink and dunk but he sure as hell cant do it effectivly. To be able to dink and dunk 2 things have to happen. 1. Running the football to get people stack inside the box so you can dink and dunk over and around them. 2. Spread out the Secondary with fear of the long pass then get it in front of them. Cassel did neither.
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
This Break Down tells me 1 thing
That Matt Cassel is a fing joke. The protection was fine and he was still HORRIBLE. I mean really bad. I would rather have A Rookie who can throw the ball 10-15 yards down the field and occasionaly makes dumbass Rookie mistakes then A guy who does not posses the ability to scan a field and hit an open target with a pass. Fuck I’m so pissed right now
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
I can't just blame Cassel
It’s not his fault he was pressured so much and the Play calling sucked. Haley should be getting most of the blame for not getting this team ready to go. The loss of Moeaki doesn’t help either because he helped with the blocking and was Cassel’s go to guy in the clutch. The loss of Berry hurt as well and just proves the point that this team needs more talent in depth.
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Getting pressure is part of football
The d line is gonna be completly out of every play. You do see the breakdowns right? Cassel has no idea what the hell is going on if is first target is covered. He would see a white jersey and panic.
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
Cassel doesn't have time to look at other options because the pocket is collapsing on him.
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How do you defend this fraud?
Bewsaf just put another nail in his coffin. Even when #7 had time, he was inaccurate. Did you watch the game?
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
Yep I watched it.
The play calling sucked and the pocket collapsed on Cassel it’s not all Cassel’s fault. That’s all I’m saying, other people need to be blamed as well, not just Cassel.
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No it's not ALL,
But 95% is his fault. I’ve been one of the biggest Cassel supporters, but he isn’t getting it. He’s so scared to even tryu and go deep or look through his progressions even when he gets time. I think it’s time for the Chiefs to admit their mistake, and move on from him. But I don’t think they will. That will be the downfall of this regime, too afraid to admit when wrong.
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
I agree he looks like he's taken a step back this year, but so does the team on both sides of the ball.
I blame Haley for that, not just one player.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow. Every lineman scored a 90 in pass blocking and you’re still blaming them? The dude can’t throw. How do you excuse high passes or consistently throwing behind receivers?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Did i say Cassel was perfect?
The Play calling had alot to do with the bad performance and really it was a combination of things not just Cassel ability. Just because the o-line guys score over 90 doesn’t mean they had a great game, pressures are put of the problem as well as not having a pocket to step up in.
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Play-calling and offensive line. Same old excuses.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
watch the routes man.. Wide recievers can be out of position too.. there's is more to blame
than just QB 7.. though he was bad.
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Sep 12, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, there we go. Check another one off the list.
I’ve never said he was the only one to blame, but he’s a major part of the problem.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
i said he looked bad.. but so DID THE ROUTES and play calling.
You cant just drop Cassel and think it will be better. IT WON’T.
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Sep 12, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
The problem is that the person that touches the ball on every single play
Gets the least of the blame.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on Sep 12, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't.
This guy is not getting better. Inexcusable throws. It was truly hard to watch.
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
Don't worry...
4 or 5 more games like this and I don’t think Haley will hesitate to get Stanzi in there. Then he can save his job by saying: “Hey, it’s a process.”
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
I don't agree...
But if you’re right, and they go to Stanzi after week 5, we really will be in the Luck sweepstakes.
People can hate Cassel all they want, but we aren’t winning games with Stanzi, not at this point. I like the guy, and i’m a Hawkeye…but no chance is he ready.
And,
we’re not winning with Cassel in the game either.
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
Exactly.
So let’s get as early of a start as possible developing Stanzi. While we have Zorn.
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
I like Stanzi but it won't make a difference.
If this team doesn’t improve along with the play calling Haley is the one who should be replaced not Cassel. The Chiefs should’ve addressed the o-line the last 2 years and haven’t.
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Wiegmann, Lilja, Asamoah, Hudson, Gaither.
They’ve addressed the OL, maybe not to your satisfaction, but they’ve addressed it.
I agree J.Asamoah and R.Hudson were moves addressing the o-line.
They should be great for the Chiefs in the future, but C.Weigmann and R.Lilja are band-aids covering a open wound. Yes Weigmann and Lilja were upgrades over what we had and they did contribute over the coarse of last year, but they were constantly being pushed back into the pocket by the end of the year, and it happened again during the Bills game. The Gaither move was pretty much a after thought when they realized B.Richardson was cutting it at RT this year, and I was one of those guys that thought Barry could get the job done, but with the loss of T.Moeaki i now have my doubts. Anytime we face a defense rushing 4 they get pressure and if they send more we see what happens during the Bills game. It’s the same old shit from last year, the defense puts 8 in the box to stop the run on 1st and 2nd down then they blitz on 3rd down. I just hope this team pulls it together in the next few weeks. That was a shameful showing against the Bills and this team is better than that.
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All signs point too (drum rolllllll).......
Cassel is NOT THE ANSWER.
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
but some credit is due...
to our overwhelmed play caller, Mr. Muir. These two are a dream team who take chicken salad and turn it to chicken shit. Well done fellas.
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
yes atleat the cowboys lost thats allways nice
South Carolina chief fan here. Eat my arrowhead covered shorts rest of the west ,dallas and pats.
no jet fans where i live alot of cowboys though
South Carolina chief fan here. Eat my arrowhead covered shorts rest of the west ,dallas and pats.
by kcbeatdown101 on Sep 12, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
The Cowboys lost to a team in the afc championship game at their house on 9/11
In a game they should have won. In fact it’s the first time in their franchises history that they lost a game when leading by 14 or more in the 4th quarter. So they broke a record and we broke a record. Without sounding like a broken record…. Which team looks better at this point?
by paulredfish on Sep 12, 2011 10:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
dont think we looked better
just allways happy to see them loose
South Carolina chief fan here. Eat my arrowhead covered shorts rest of the west ,dallas and pats.
by kcbeatdown101 on Sep 12, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
dont care who they play or how they look
long as they loose cowboys 0-16
South Carolina chief fan here. Eat my arrowhead covered shorts rest of the west ,dallas and pats.
by kcbeatdown101 on Sep 12, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
cassel sucks move on
please coach move on from him
South Carolina chief fan here. Eat my arrowhead covered shorts rest of the west ,dallas and pats.
Great breakdown.
Lilja needs to be better in the run game. I’m surprised Richardson didn’t receive more help in the pass game. Lilja and Wiegmann look like they were getting the majority of the help.
You're the best
Thanks for taking the time to put that together. I’m glad I didn’t get a chance to see it. But you’re right, if Cassel had protection that good then he must have had time on most of his attempts to go through his reads.. so how the heck did he end up with a 3.3 YPA and the leading receivers were JC (5 catches for 9 yrds) and Dex (5 catches for 25 yrds). Did our receivers suck that bad and were not able to get separation?!?! And don’t even get me started on the defense.
cassel tries not to make mistakes
instead of trying to make plays
South Carolina chief fan here. Eat my arrowhead covered shorts rest of the west ,dallas and pats.
This is it exactly,
Time to move on the Cassel experiment didn’t work. Yes it’s ok to have a game manager, but he has to be able to take chances also.
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
I agree with this breakdown, Bewsaf.
I was fairly impressed with O-Line play yesterday. I think what we’re seeing is a combination of several problems. Looking back even to last year, there were times when Matt Cassel just will not step up in the pocket and make a throw. I think after a couple of years of getting hit in the mouth, he has lost his confidence. On top of this, our offensive coordinator has very little confidence in his own O-Line and developed a game plan based around three-step drops and draws. After watching the preseason, who could blame him? Our running game will continue to suffer until Cassel can regain his confidence in his protection and step up to make those down field throws. Matt Cassel has all of the physical tools to lead this team – he just needs to stop playing scared.
Thanks
I just grade it as I see it each play. At first blush it did seem like some times Cassel was under pressure some times…but most of those were screen plays (KC ran a lot of them) where the lineman are just pushing the defender through as they set up for the screen.
good stuff Bewsaf
Is it possible that Cassel’s ribs were the reason for this particular game plan?
could not generate enough torque to throw deeper without losing what accuracy he does posess generally.The score took the running game away.
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 12, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Is it possible that Cassel’s ribs were the reason for this particular game plan?
If that were the case wouldn’t he have come out of the game once it got out of hand?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Unless they were still trying to get him in sync with the offense since he did not have the time in the 4th preseason game
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe. I’d think if you were worried enough to come up with a completely different game plan then you’d be worried enough to take him out when he could be hurt even worse.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
At some point you have to lay the cards down and go for broke though
He didn’t take too many hits out there, so maybe they put a limit on the hits before pulling him, idk
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s possible. I just think it’s entirely more likely that the players poorly executed a bad game plan, with no regard to the injury.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
That doesn't really explain why they didn't pull him instead of risking a more serious injury though
Even APers could notice when the game was actually over, time left on the clock or not.
OOooooOOO! new theory! They tried to get Cassel hurt! haha
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah sometime in that 3rd quarter
it was over
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 12, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Not true.. it was his too..
I can just spread the blame around and realize this team wasnt good yesterday regardless who was at the helm.
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Sep 12, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you have any room
on your wagon. I just jumped straight off the Cassel wagon and need to place to sit.
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
There is not a wagon for the Cassel 'haters' as we are called..
We had to abandon that because of too many people, now we have a city.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
+1, and growing
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
About 75 and growing very rapidly
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
My bags are packed
I just jumped on the bus on the way there
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
Play of the day...
Cassel catches one of his own passes for a 4 yard loss. Slap it down Matty. Slap it down. Yeesh.
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
by WestonK on Sep 12, 2011 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Dude that game was embarrasing and the Chiefs play as a "TEAM" was embarrasing.
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Prediction for 2011:
Doctors will find out that Tebows blue balls were effecting his ability to throw a accurate pass.
by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah that FG would have put us over the top, yeah that's sarcasm.
Maybe if our defense would’ve have stopped them form scoring 28 points it would’ve helped as well. Maybe if Dexter wouldn’t have fumbled the ball on the opening kickoff, Cassel should’ve never let them do that.
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Doctors will find out that Tebows blue balls were effecting his ability to throw a accurate pass.
by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
You guys are a joke.
The Chiefs lost that game not just Cassel, until you realize that you’re just pissin’ into the wind. The whole team sucked from the coaching staff down.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought Waters looked good out ther... oh wait
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah should've kept him maybe.................
Along with S.Smith and R.Edwards because we still can’t stop the run. Berry getting hurt didn’t help things at all.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I still think we tried to keep Smith
We needed his attitude out there on the Dline.. or maybe he coulda took a little grab at Jackson in the pile?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I would like to respond with
3 and out
3 and out
3 and out
3 and out
3 and out.
caught own deflected pass for a loss
tripping over feet for a loss
int.
3 and out
loss
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
You need 4 more 3 and outs
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
It's one game, let it go and hope it will not be the theme this season
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Gotta protect the D
cant just keep sending em out there. Any D will break down on the field that much…
catching his own pass says it all....
He doesn’t have the ability to make football speed decisions. That is why our recievers suck… I mean are always covered.
The whole team has been criticized. You seem unable to criticize the QB, though. Try it, just once, without blaming someone or something else.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Are you blind?
I’ve said several times that Cassel didn’t look good.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Can you type in Braille for now on? haha
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
fjwop oa kpowq m,
Crap, someone switched my braille keys around. Someone always jackin with the blind man
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
And every time you excused it away because of poor route running/play-calling/lack of blocking/injury and on and on.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Yeah and won 4 of them.......................... what was your point again?
Whether people believe this or not the Chiefs have other problems than just their QB. This team should’ve been better prepared and should’ve played better than they did. Haleys plan for the pre-season along with the hold-out hurt this team more than people think.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone is putting all the blame on Cassel
I do think most fans saw last year as the turning point for Matt, and so far this year he has let them down, so they are upset.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw last year as a turning point for the team.
The lock-out as well as Haley’s pre-season plan hurt the Chiefs IMO. Then T.Moeaki goes down in a pre-season game along with Cassel getting his ribs hurt doesn’t help things.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Last year things fell into place, with the schedule and with the running game
Matt looked better than he really is IMO, now most fans don’t see that out of him anymore and are calling for his head.
I’m not too upset about the preseason plan, I know some are but either way the starters played basically a whole game just like every team does. Can’t know when players will get injured or if they would have if we played a regular preseason type plan.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't count pre-season games.
The team lost the last 7 games, not Cassel. Did Cassel play every snap in pre-season or does that not matter. I guess you can blame him for being pulled out by the coach during a meaningless pre-season if you want too.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Just pointing out that other things were to blame as well, not just Cassel.
Yeah i blame Cassel for part of it but not all, like most of the people in here.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah i blame Cassel for part of it but not all, like most of the people in here.
Selective reading? I’ve criticized more than just Cassel. Keep on making excuses for him. I don’t see you excusing the lines poor play (90+ rating for every player, obviously misleading) because their QB doesn’t move. Why is that?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I watched the game, and I'll watch it again.
IMO it was a combination of things on offense that hurt us. IMO Cassel has nowhere too move because of the o-line getting pushed back. Is it not the job of the o-line to form a pocket for the QB?
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 12, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Must say that might be the only time I remember seeing the Oline all above 90's for pass blocking...
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 10:30 AM CDT reply actions
Bewsaf....Does "combo help" factor into your passing grade?
Yea, two lineman ended up with the same grade…but how much help did either of them get?
It looks like the little guys were needing a lot of help. It seems with that much help it should reflect in the grade somewhere.
No
It is not reflected in the grade (that is why I put up the help number). In other words, if the line call is for Barry and McCluster to block the end….and he gets blocked…then both players get a job done. But of course we know that Barry got help from McCluster.
Someone suggested that Albert has been tipping the plays (not sure the original source). You see any evidence of that?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
He used to, and most people caught wind of it during the NFLN best players series
Where Cole said that Alberts foot is up for pass, down for run
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Gotcha. Only watched about half of one episode because it was so bad. Guess I missed it.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I really havn't paid attention to see if Albert was still doing it, so I'm actually awating that answer as well
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Can't say I was watching for keys
But if any of them are tipping the play then the other team will know it. Heck, we would break down film just for keys in High School.
I couldn't disagree more with the grades
especially Asimoah. He and Jackson on defense seemed to be in a contest to see who could spend the most time on his back while on the field.
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
Have you broken down every offensive play and watched each lineman on every play?
NO? thanks for sharing
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--Bill Peterson
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 12, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
you ought to be
you’ve been sold a bill of goods with this team
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
What I can't get over is, the listless play. At home opening day.
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worst qb in the nfl
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 12, 2011 11:43 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
For Sure HIV... bottom of the pile QB
I’d rather get frustrated and excited by our rookie QB than the King of dink & dunk.
Haley wins coach of the year 2011
Chiefs 2011 rookie class proves better than 2010's WOW!!!
by ChiefsChance on Sep 12, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Bew...
I was thinking the line play was about average. Tackles played decent. What I’m wondering is…more work for you….how much time they are actually giving Cassel before he needs to move/adjust and how to facter that in.
That would just be another column
I already account for him having to move due to pressure by having a pressure column. But I graded the Chargers against Minnesota and although I think their line is better (overall) Philip Rivers needed to move and had small pockets as well (the Vikings were bringing the pressure).
It didn’t seem to phase him…AND…he throws deep when teams blitz him. Probably more than any QB in the AFC West. Cassel did not seem as collected, appeared to have planned throws (meaning I didn’t see him attempt a lot of progression) and almost always dumped the ball short.
I'm thinking Cassel and the playcalling need to change what they're doing...
or else we’re in for a very long season. I didn’t think the Moeaki injury was as big an injury as I do now. Cassel absolutely has to have numerous check-down options.
Cassel needs to go through his progressions quicker and throw the ball down the field more. Also, I think part of the reason for the success of the line is in the game, as you mentioned Bewsaf, is due to the playcalling and the types of plays run (screens, set throws, and bootlegs).
Honestly, I think Cassel has become too predictable in his delivery and that is a major problem on offense.
2011 Chiefs record prediction: 7-9
by Kristospherein on Sep 12, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't tell you
How disheartning it is to have this many years with Cassel as our starting QB and we’re still talking about the same two things: the guy won’t throw the ball deep and he doesn’t go through his progressions. Wonder how much longer it’s going to take before we make a move at that position.
Good post
My first reaction after the game was that the OLine was terrible and even stated that the two biggest issues were coaching and OLine play. I stand corrected. Thanks for putting this together every week.
by Denver_ChiefsFan on Sep 12, 2011 7:21 PM CDT reply actions
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