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Good morning, and happy Sunday. The players have today off, but we continue to slave away to give as much Kansas City Chiefs news as you can stand (and sometimes a little more). Today's post has practice recaps and photos, a closer look at Arenas, and a flashback via a well placed microphone in Super Bowl IV. Enjoy.

Javier Arenas slogs up a hill on another hot day at Chiefs training camp. Practices are long, and by the time players leave the fields, they’re exhausted and drenched in sweat.

This day is one of the hottest of the year. Arenas stops, still catching his breath. Sure, he’s tired and hot. But it’s a good day for Arenas, the Chiefs’ 23-year-old cornerback. He says he realizes now that every day is, even if the hours are grueling.

After Tornado, Every Day is a Good Day for Chiefs' Arenas from KC Star

The aftermath of the NFL owners’ lockout that went four months and pushed into the last days of July, along with new regulations that are part of the labor agreement, the training camp landscape has dramatically changed.

Plans? There are no plans; they’ve all gone out the window. Assumptions? It’s best to remember what happens when one assumes anything. Traditions? Forget those; that’s not old school, its dead school.

Coaches are preparing on the fly.

Changing on the Fly... Sunday Cup O'Chiefs from Bob Gretz

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News-Press Photo Gallery: 08/06/11 Chiefs Training Camp 

NFL.com Video: Pick Six: Hank Stram

FOX 4 KC Video: Chiefs Host Family Fun Day for Fans

KC Star Photo Gallery: Chiefs host Family Fun Day in St. Joseph Saturday

After the short autograph session, players trotted out on the field and began a 135-minute workout that included full contact for the first time, except kickers and quarterbacks.

"It looked pretty grueling out there, even though I still feel pretty fresh," joked Chiefs quarterback Matt Cassel. "No. It was very competitive. I thought both sides competed great and compete well. It was fun to get out there and get some thuddin’ going on."

Here with the Chiefs from The St. Joseph News-Press

There was the sound of pads crunching together, the thud of linemen wrestling at the snap of the ball. For the first time, the Chiefs were in full pads, or at least they were for enough of their Family Fun Day practice in Spratt Stadium at Missouri Western State University, to give the fans a taste of pre-lockout training camp.

Too bad there was not a big crowd to watch the session. Whether it was the hot, muggy weather, the steep $12 price for a ticket or a hangover from the lockout, but the stadium was nowhere close to being at capacity, and the crowd was much smaller than last year’s Family Fun practice.

Training Camp Practice Report - 8/6 from Bob Gretz 

Saturday’s Family Fun Day at Spratt Stadium was the latest example of Haley adapting to the aftermath of the NFL Lockout.

The Chiefs practiced in full pads for the first time Saturday, a day of camp traditionally reserved for intrasquad scrimmage. But there was no scrimmaging and limited contact. Once again, players shed their shoulder pads prior to competitive 11-v-11 periods.

Heartland Health Practice Report: Family Fun Day from The Mothership

The Chiefs open their preseason schedule Friday against Tampa Bay at Arrowhead Stadium. Haley said the Chiefs won’t rush their timetable to be ready then.

"Our overall focus is Sept. 11 and Buffalo and trying to get that right as far as our progression as a team," Haley said, speaking of the regular-season opener at Arrowhead Stadium. "If you get ahead of yourself, then you could take two big steps backwards potentially, which is what we cannot afford to do."

Chiefs Are At Different Levels When It Comes To Fitness from KC Star

"It’s been a long, long offseason since our last wild card game," Carr said.

Carr reportedly contemplated offers from several other teams after the Chiefs placed a first-round tender on him, but the cornerback from Division II Grand Valley State signed last week. One of the big reasons is that he wanted to keep building a defense that has taken significant strides under coach Todd Haley.

Defensive Backfield Should Be Strength Again As Kansas City Chiefs Try To Build On Last Season from The Washington Post

Kelly Gregg is 34 years old. He’s already spent 11 seasons plugging holes as a nose tackle in the National Football League. The energy and enthusiasm the round-faced veteran shows doesn’t reflect a guy ready to end his career.

On Wednesday night, one day before he suited up for his first Chiefs’ practice, Gregg attended practice at Spratt Stadium. Instead of observing, Gregg spent much of the 2 1/2 hours working with the team’s two active nose tackles — rookie Jerrell Powe and second-year player Anthony Toribio.

Experienced Gregg could Anchor Chiefs' Line from The St. Jospeh News-Press

Former Husker and Kansas City Chiefs safety Eric Warfield has joined the staff as a student assistant. Warfield recently returned to NU to take classes.

"We thought he'd be a good set of hands, and somebody with the knowledge and respect and his accomplishments … I'm glad he asked to come out and be a part of this thing," Pelini said.

NU Football Notebook: First Practice, No Bubba Starling from Husker Extra

"With all due respect to (Hall of Fame linebacker) Derrick Thomas, throughout his career, he was known as a great pass rusher. But if you game-planned against the Kansas City Chiefs, you could run at Derrick Thomas. Nobody out there game-planned to run against Richard Dent."

Tom Thayer Lauds Richard Dent on His All-Around Greatness from The Chicago Daily Herald

Aaron from Syracuse wants to know if I think Brian Waters, who was recently cut by the Chiefs, could end up in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

BW: I read your email and you make a good case, Aaron. He was part of some great running offenses and he led the way for Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson. But guards usually have to be extremely dominant to make the Hall of Fame, especially guards without multiple Super Bowl titles.

AFC West Mailbag from ESPN

It's interesting to note the Denver Broncos beat out Kansas City and Houston in the recruiting war for Ty Warren. Warren was more familiar with the 3-4 defenses of both the Chiefs and Texans given he played his entire career in Foxborough. Warren also would have been reunited with former Pats defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel in Kansas City.

Instead, he chose Denver, where he will play defensive tackle in the 4-3 system the Broncos are adopting this season.

Pats Cover All Bases from The Boston Herald

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Is BW stupid?

He says a Guard needs multiple Superbowl rings to get in the HOF. Has he totally forgotten big Will? He will be eligible I believe after this season and if he’s not one of the 15 finalists then fuck the committee

by Chiefs08Matt on Aug 7, 2011 7:37 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Umm, that's not what he said at all...

In fact if you click on the link you can read the full response and realize that you just said exactly what he said.

by belt on Aug 7, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

AP made this very misleading

They included about half of BWs comment and left out the half that explained away the beef I had with it. I guess next time I need to take the time to click on the link and check everything since not everything is posted on here…

by Chiefs08Matt on Aug 7, 2011 4:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Even what was quoted above doesn't correspond with what you said.

Even above he doesn’t say guards need multiple SB rings to get in the HOF. He simply said they usually have to be dominant over a very long period of time, especially without multiple rings. Not sure how that’s misleading.

by Tarkus on Aug 7, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to admit, I'm rooting for Jeremy Horne...

His game is exactly what we need to make the WR group dangerous—good hands and good speed. We’ve already got an all-around wideout (Bowe), a slot guy (Breaston), a jump ball/deep threat (Baldwin), and a jack-of-all trades/ST demon (Copper). Someone with pure speed makes that group nearly undefendable.

That last spot will probably go to Urban, unless we keep six wideouts. I’m not sure if we need another tall, “good routes/team first” guy on the roster, but he knows Haley’s system and can mentor Bowe and Baldwin…still would rather see Horne on the field, though.

I’m also developing a mancrush on Chandler Williams…I think the Breaston signing might have taken his roster spot, but it sounds like he’s really developed too.

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Aug 7, 2011 8:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Manno

After reading Chris Manno’s story, I can’t help but hope he makes the team..

by ChiefsDude on Aug 7, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

My hope for Manno?

P/S, and then next year Terrance Copper gives him the reins to the 5th/6th receiver spot.

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Aug 7, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll go with that

Let’s just hope nobody snags him off waivers.

by ChiefsDude on Aug 7, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, kind of a "Rudy" story. Hope he makes it too.

He seems to be the definition of “self-motivation”.

"What we need is......more cowbell." - C. Walken

by ChiefMedic on Aug 7, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta agree...

I’m rooting for Verran Tucker to make a jump this year. He has good hands, but doesn’t always have a good presence on the field. He could become a deep threat for us too. Seems to be a good competition of receivers this year.

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Aug 7, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tucker = Urban, in like 2006.

I’d like to see the Chiefs hang onto both Horne and Tucker. Tucker’s the better special teamer. If he added some bulk to his frame (not necessarily weight, but bulk) he’d be an excellent intermediate threat. I read somewhere that his route running and agility aren’t the best, though…maybe camp Haley will help with that problem.

I’m not hating on Jerheme Urban, I just see younger (cheaper-faster) players doing what he does and feel like they should be on the field instead.

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Aug 7, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ya his route running isn't the best...

That was what I was meaning by not having a good presence on the field… Which also would include not keeping feet in bounds…

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Aug 7, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haley said it multiple times

Urban is a speed guy and he doesn’t understand why people group him in the possession receiver mold.

by RamX21 on Aug 7, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I've never really seen this "speedy" Jerhame Urban that Haley refers to.

I keep remembering the Seahawks loving his “height” and his “frame”—code words for a wideout that’s meant to go over the middle. Now, maybe that makes him a deep threat in the same vein as Baldwin…

Really, he was a ST/“project” for SEA and AZ; I don’t recall a ton of success or failure on his part.

Haley knows more than I do, especially about receivers, so I’m sure I’m off somewhere. But I’d still like to see this “deep threat”…Hopefully JU proves to be a bad-ass #4, and makes me look foolish.

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Aug 7, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not sure I believe this....
Carr reportedly contemplated offers from several other teams after the Chiefs placed a first-round tender on him

"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "

by chief Stevie_k on Aug 7, 2011 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

He could have.

But the Chiefs would had the right to match any offer he received. And if they chose not to, they’d have gotten first round compensation (unless they worked out a trade). With a first round tender, it was extremely unlikely he was going anywhere.

by Tarkus on Aug 7, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thats why I don't believe it.

I’m sure teams were interested….Lions, Jets, Cards?, Raiders?, etc, but doubt teams were willing to give him a nice contract AND give up the 1st rounder….

"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "

by chief Stevie_k on Aug 7, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

The 1st rounder is just a starting point in negotiations.

That isn’t necessarily what someone would have had to give up. I think what usually happens is teams are negotiating with both the team and the player simultaneously. In this case, I’m guessing different teams kicked the tires a bit, but probably no serious negotiations. Again, just a guess.

by Tarkus on Aug 7, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Would you take less than a 1st rd for Carr?

"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "

by chief Stevie_k on Aug 7, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

Depends on the contract I’d have to match.

Could also be players involved and multiple picks too, as well as how high you expect those picks to be.

by Tarkus on Aug 7, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Tom Thayer

an idiot?No,teams didn’t worry about running at DT because they ran away from him.He blew up plays & made anyone in the backfield pay.2 different positions with different responsibilities.Apples to apples you moron.

John Soellner

by chiefs63 on Aug 7, 2011 9:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Actually, teams ran at him a lot.

Running away from him played into his strength, which was speed.

by Tarkus on Aug 7, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup. Same way you handle Freeney.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Aug 7, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know why it offends some fans when that is pointed out.

Obviously DT was a great player, but like everyone else, he had strengths and weaknesses.

by Tarkus on Aug 7, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of the tried and true tactics in the game

If a guy is pinning his ears back and edge rushing, running inside him off-tackle usually gets you a nice gain.

You do it to Freeney. They did it to DT. It’s part of the game. Like QB’s throwing incompletions. The very best of all time still throw incomplete passes. Doesn’t mean you’re knocking them by pointing it out.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Aug 7, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup. And knowing that's the tactic, defense can compensate for that.

I think the big-time outside threat funnels the offense into tactics the defense can then anticipate. DT was the kind of athlete that could’ve done ’most anything they wanted him to do. What they wanted was mainly the upfield disruptor role.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 7, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Then it becomes this meta game until there's a weak link in the chain

D compensates for O running at the outside rusher.

O anticipates, goes play action, faking that run to get the D to commit.

Somewhere a post / slant is open behind the LB’s who are compensating, and it’s off to the races.

And then D tries to counter that counter, and O tries to counter that, etc, etc.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Aug 7, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that is what is so great about football

Not only do you get to legally knock the snot out of people but you have to be able to think on the fly. And to see that played out to perfection is a wonderful sight to see. Unless it’s the other team making all the right maneuvers.

by Big Reese on Aug 7, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the most part teams always ran to DT’s side.

by deli258291 on Aug 7, 2011 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

to see a PRACTICE? good grief, Charlie Brown ...
the steep $12 price for a ticket

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by upamtn on Aug 7, 2011 2:43 PM CDT reply actions  

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