Take your blinders off, here's who we really got
Free Agency isn't over yet, but let's take a look at the players we signed so far. I defend any of those signings against Bronco or Raider Fans, but I am not gonna sugarcoat anything here, because we are all grown men (or women) and can take reality without starting to cry. My take on those players might be subjective in some ways, but my opinion is still based on some Internet research and game tape (even though I don't watch countless hours of NFL since I got other **** to do in my life).
Grading the signings is not easy. I decided to take three important factors into account which will make up an overall grade:
Value: Basically pay per production, looking at the contract
Potential: What is the ceiling for the player, especially long-term
Impact: Contribution on the field, especially short-term
Let's jump right into it:
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WR Steve Breaston: 5 years, $25M; $9.5M guaranteed
Ok, so some people might stop reading after this one. I already went on tape disliking this signing without knowing the full details of the contract. Some people thought I was just a hater. Again we won't know for sure how it turns out until after this season or next, but here are some things to consider. We just drafted Jon Baldwin. He might not be ready this year, but his long-term potential is amazing. Last year, we drafted Dexter McCluster in the 2nd round, who is now without a job on offense, having Todd Haley on tape saying that our offense is gonna stay run-first. Aside from that, a long-term commitment to a player with a torn meniscus which has bothered him for two seasons is extremely risky. He came back rather quickly last year, but lost his starting job to rookie Andre Roberts during the last games of the season. Add the fact that Braylon Edwards signed a 1-year, $3.5 million contract and that a proven veteran like Derrick Mason is still out there, and I think we vastly overspent for a guy who benefited a great deal from Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin's presence in the same offense. So while he has potential and is still fairly young (28 at the end of the month), his massive contract paired with the injury risk drops his grade. And don't give me that “we need to spend cash to get to the salary floor” thing, as I have pointed out before, there are better ways to spend money than just wasting it.
Value: F
Potential: C
Impact: C
Overall: D Overspent, especially considering Baldwin will overtake him in the foreseeable future
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NT Kelly Gregg: 1 year, $3.5M; $1M signing bonus
After losing Ron Edwards and Shaun Smith, the Chiefs went out and signed Gregg to be their fill-in at Nose Tackle until Jerrell Powe is ready, which might be at the end of this year or next year. While I expected the Chiefs to overpay for NT Aubrayo Franklin, the Chiefs went with the long-time Raven instead. While he's not the stud NT he was earlier in his career before he blew out his knee in 2008, he is still a stout run-stopper and should help the Chiefs from day one. His long-term future is debatable but his short-term impact makes that less of an issue.
Value: B
Potential: D
Impact: A-
Overall: B+ Nice veteran addition, helps us from day one
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FB Le'Ron McClain: 1 year contract
As Joel pointed out earlier, this is a win-win, no matter how much salary he'll receive for this 1-year contract. As he was up for grabs for over a week on the free agent market before he signed, I can't see how he would get more than $2 million from the Chiefs. McClain makes sense in every way, being a good lead-blocker and a decent ball-carrier. He can open up some lanes for Jamaal Charles and take some early-down snaps from Thomas Jones. The only concern might be that McClain openly stated he wanted to get more carries. While Thomas Jones might lose some snaps, I can't see how McClain would be happy if we are looking at a 45 (JC) – 35 (TJ) – 20 (LM) timeshare, which would be just my suggestion.
Value: A
Potential: B
Impact: A
Overall: A Quality signing. Can you see him knocking his cousin in silver and black on his butt, yet?
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LB Brandon Siler: undisclosed contract
As there are no details on the contract, yet, I can't judge the value of this signing. Potential is certainly there, as he looked great when he started for the Chargers. His impact depends obviously on him starting or not. I definitely think he has the talent to start next to DJ, but he is also a quality special teams guy, so this makes sense either way.
Value: ?
Potential: B
Impact: B
Overall: B Depending on the final numbers, a good signing.
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S/ST Sabby Piscitelli: undisclosed contract
Piscitelli is a decent special-teamer. I would guess he signed a non-guaranteed 1-year, minimum salary deal. He has always struggled in coverage and shouldn't be asked to start any games. He could push Jon McGraw, but that would be his limit.
Value: ? (B)
Potential: D
Impact: C-
Overall: C Not an impact signing, but decent depth with special-teams experience.
I have to admit I don't know much about the undrafted free agent guys we signed. The ones I liked were not signed, but that's ok. Judging their impact is impossible, my guess is that they will mostly be camp bodies.
I cannot give an overall grade with free agency still rolling, but so far I go with a C. While I like 3 of the 5 signings shown above, I would have liked another talented Offensive Tackle. Also, I still can't agree with releasing Brian Waters. He has been our best offensive lineman for a long time now and still was last year, so I can't see why we didn't hold on to him for the last year of his contract. Extending Hali is nice, but Carr is playing on a 1-year tender while Brandon Flowers' contract ends after the season, so I think some more extensions should be on the way.
Feel free to disagree, thanks for reading,
Dirk_rules
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Can't really disagree with what you said about those players, but...
the most important part of this free agency period was signing KC’s own. Extending DJ and Jamaal last year was genius. I hope Pioli can do the same for Carr this season. Tamba signing was monster.
I will disagree that McCluster has no job in this offense. I see 7-10 touches a game for him. Watching practice, he was all over the field. He is a dynamic player that will see time in the backfield, in the slot and out wide,
I think McCluster
might be on the field for 7-10 snaps on offense. That would give him maybe 2 or 3 touches. I would say he’s our 4th WR and 4th RB (behind JC, TJ and McClain). That’s a waste of a 2nd round pick imho, sorry.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Still early to call it a waste. He was a rookie.
ST’s also love the hell out of DMC
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Aug 5, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Disagree, 7-10 touches/targets, I should have said and not including special teams.
Haley is planning on using him this year, mark my word.
If at worst case McCluster becomes...
McCluster becomes more of a Special Teams guy. Right now we have McCluster, Arenas and Breaston to choose from. Coach Haley stated since all three have other important roles on this team, they may split special teams chances. He did say if one guy had less of a role, he would likely become the focal point of the return game.
So frankly if McCluster gets less touches on offense, just means he will likely become the return man more so over the other two.
I respect, but disagree with your assesment of Breaston
yes, he did benefit from having Fitz & Quan drawing defenders away from him & probably returned from his injury prematurely last season. I also think we paid a bit much for his services…..that being said, I think he will have very much the same impact here in the slot as he did in AZ. Early indicators are that Baldwin is going to be crazy good & together with Bowe are going to be opposing secondaries’ worst nightmare, and command most of their attention leaving Breaston, the lesser of 3 evils wide open in the middle a good chunk of the time.
I also think Dexter’s role will not diminish as much as it will shift to the RB side of things, spelling Jamaal & catching pasees out of the backfield. He is versatile, shifty and can score from anywhere on the field. A player that dynamic just doesn’t get phased out of the offensive game plan.
Everything else I pretty much agree with.
and the Chiefs put the HAMMER DOWN!!!!
by reedeasy on Aug 5, 2011 6:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
even if it will be that easy,
his knees make that a high-risk – decent reward type of deal, as his ceiling is not anywhere close to other guys’, e.g. Braylon Edwards, even though he brings other headaches along…
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I like the signing.
For now, he is a stop gap receiver while we develop our young guys. He will improve our team from the git-go. I give it an A. I agree that McCluster has things to prove to be worthy of the high pick. Also agree with the rest of your assessments and rec’d.
All McCluster needs to do is stay healthy. He's a big-time playmaker.
And I’m usually against picking HB that high that early in team-build, but with Jamaal already on-line it made sense to get 2-deep in scary, homerun speed and elusiveness in the backfield and take a swipe at slot WR short-term.
would of ≠ would've
In 2010, McCluster was also expected to play some slot (and he did) because there was a hole, there,
especially after Urban went down. McCluster motioned OUT of slot about as much as he was in the slot at the snap. He also lined up wide a few times.
Breaston prob’ly will be the “left WR” short-term. It sounds like Bowe is going hang on to his spot. Baldwin with a hammie, already, bodes ill for his first couple games. And who’s to say how long the coaches leave him there.
I think in AZ, Breaston was mostly slot, and then took over on the right side. IIRC, Fitz usually lines up on the left side.
would of ≠ would've
That's not how I remember it, exactly.
Maybe there was some back-and-forth, depending on the season. I think Boldin played more slot last year on his new team, but I could’ve sworn (Glad I didn’t) that he was on the right side and Breaston was in the slot more often, in their SB-appearance.
would of ≠ would've
reedeasy is right.
Breaston is the best value of the three you mentioned. Mason is nearly a decade older, and showing every sign of slowing down. His best game last year was against the worst secondary in the league. Veteran, yes, able to play, not so sure. Retirement is closer and closer for him.
As for Braylon Edwards, he will forever be an average receiver. He doesn’t have the best hands, and tries to catch them in his chest too often.
Factor in this, though. Bring in a player who has worked in Haley’s system before, and knows how it works vs. two players who will have to play catch up through pre-season. We have enough rookies to catch up because of the lockout. Breaston was the most likely to come in with the least amount of catching up to do. Haley knows Breaston’s abilities better than anyone, and I think in Haley’s opinion, he outweighed every other option.
Breaston will give Baldwin time to catch up (though he might not need much) and then take on the role of slot receiver, where he can be most productive.
I don’t see how McCluster is out of a job. Haley wants him in the backfield. McCluster’s best position is catching in the backfield and running. He’s there to do everything Sproles did for the Chargers. I feel like his job is quite clear.
I agree on everything but your whole “Breaston” paragraph.
a 3rd down back
needs to be a good blocker first and foremost. JC will do 2nd and 3rd down. Do you see McCluster going up against a Kamerion Wimbley for example? He eats him alive
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions
McCluster was known for his blocking in college
Granted the SEC isn’t the NFL, but I don’t think he’d be useless trying to buy Cassel a little extra time
As a decoy, Dex pulls 2 or 3 defenders away from the play side.
He’d have to be a helluva blocker to take out 2 or 3 guys.
I see no flaws in him as a blocker, other than he’s not very big. Rather see him dragging defenders in his wake, than putting him AND the ballcarrier in the same spot, so everybody homes in on the ball.
would of ≠ would've
Honestly I'd be okay with Dex on 1st down
And Jones as the 3rd down back.
TJ is a great all around RB. He’s a threat to run it, receive out of the backfield, or stay home as he’s our best blocking HB. Plus it’d keep some tread on the tires as the season wears on.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Disagree on 3rd down.
I like Dex there, better. On 3rd, you need a guy who fakes people out of their shoes and will MAKE it to the sticks. Dex is more surehanded than any of the other RBs, too, and you can’t be dropping the pass on 3rd. Jamaal has great big-play potential, but Dex has almost that same potential, plus a little something that’s hard to put a finger on, but obvious in, for instance, last year’s game against the ’9ers.
I love it when they motion Dex one way, and either hand it off or play fake to Jamaal going the other way. The short pass to Dex going the other way really whipsaws defenses, first responding to the motion, then Oh No! It’s going to Charles the other way! and then the quick pass to Dex, after all.
Again, what Dex brings, more than even Charles, is making the needed yards even when the play is well defended.
would of ≠ would've
depends on situation, down & distance, etc....
he won’t be in on mass-protect packages on 3rd and long, but is definitely an option in the gun on 3rd & manageable to chip block and then go to the flat. He won’t be asked to take on pass rushers by himself, but he can combo block w’ a TE then go on a pattern….
and the Chiefs put the HAMMER DOWN!!!!
yep
he is gonna play on some 3rd downs, but he’s not your “3rd down back”. We might not even have one and just switch it up. Still I find it hard to see DMC gettin many touches….
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess
we’ll find out shortly. I would bet that your prediction only holds true if Jones is cut, which could happen.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions
they may just use him enough to be a decoy
which is kind of what they did last season, but will be more effective this season with more weapons in the arsenal…
and the Chiefs put the HAMMER DOWN!!!!
could be, could be
All I know is that Haley and Muir are conservative as hell. Not that this is a bad thing at all, but I think some guys on AP will be disappointed when we don’t run the 4 WR, 3 WR, shotgun etc. sets all the time. So let the season start and we’ll find out
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Spreading a defense out with 3 or 4 receiver sets and running Charles in the middle of it can be very successful
The only problem with that we didn’t have 3 or 4 WRs that demanded respect last season. Breaston will, Baldwin will eventually (hopefully), Moeaki is on his way to that, and can block. The strength of a player like Charles is he doesn’t need a power set or a FB in front of him to be successful. We can run out of any set, including the spread offense
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 9:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, the lack of WR threats was a big limiting factor last year
And being a run first team doesn’t mean we can’t spread it out.
With our light ZBS style O Line, multiple receiving threats and homerun threat style HB’s like Charles and Dex, running from 3 and 4 wide sets could be pretty beneficial.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
which we
are still not going to do. Did Chris Johnson need 4Wr sets. Hell no. Neither does Charles. That is some spread BS a lot of people think.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 6, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Calling a valid tactic like running 3 and 4 WR sets to open up the running game isn't BS
Just because it’s not one you prefer, doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.
Nobody’s saying we should never come out in a pro set. It should still be our base offense. But mixing it up with some 3 and 4 wide sets can only help keep the D from keying in on one formation.
Plus depending on who we’re facing, their sub packages to defend a 3 WR set may be way more advantageous for us than what we’d face vs a base defense.
It’s not good to think completely linear when it comes to X’s and O’s.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
yeah
and muir and haley are the ones always thinkin outside the box. got it
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 6, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Going on 4th downs more than the league average
Surprise (not always welcomed) passing plays on 3rd and 2
Flea flicker TD deep to Bowe.
Yeah, probably more than the average NFL coach, they sure do. But hopefully not to extremes.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Those throws on 3rd and 2 are because they couldn't smash-mouth.
Sure, they’d throw TJ at the line (like Edgerrin and Hightower in AZ) just to make the D respect KC’s willingness to try it.
Speaking of 3rd and 2, isn’t it odd that Waters remains unsigned? I know Bewsaf gave him good grades, but that wasn’t MY take last year.
would of ≠ would've
I wonder if Waters might come back...
From his and the teams’ mutual decision, mutual respect statements, I really got the idea that Waters left because the team wanted him to at least compete with Asamoah for the starting job, if not just give it up to Asamoah entirely and be a backup. Waters thought he could still be a starter, and Pioli gave him his release. But if no one else offers him any better of an opportunity, and the Chiefs still have plenty of cash to pay him and need a backup guard, maybe he comes back after all? I can hope…
"When I was just a baby, my momma told me "Son... always be a good boy. Don't ever play with guns." But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die..."
For all I know, they're just giving him a year off from training camp.
Heh. Not really.
But it’s nice to see the competition taking place.
And it seems odd that nobody jumped at Waters, if they still think he has anything left in the tank.
would of ≠ would've
I'd rather have breaston
Mason will be 39 this year, and Braylon Edwards is an off the field nightmare. Breaston filled a huge hole in our recieving corps and we likely be the #2 this year. He’s proven he can play at the # 2 and 3 spots. Overpayed maybe a little bit, but i’d rather have him over the other two.
Thank the tiny infant baby Jesus we will have football!!!!!
by Kuhmmish on Aug 5, 2011 7:33 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think Baldwin will be the #2 eventually
if not outright at training camp. Breaston’s size & speed are better suited for the slot singled up against a nickle corner than on the outside matched up against the #1, although he can do that if necessary….Baldwin’s a physical phenom who can stretch the field & take any underneath coverage with him. It will be evident pretty early on that he’s going to demand double coverage wherever he is on the field.
and the Chiefs put the HAMMER DOWN!!!!
by reedeasy on Aug 5, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
RE: McCluster
Him having less role is a good thing. He can become full time kick returner and hopefully use his alleged shiftiness to take some to the house. Although if our blocking doesn’t improve compared to last year, I’d rather see Javier Arenas doing that job. He’s clearly considerably more durable.
I do agree, McCluster will have a important role..
It irks me sometimes that people overlook the importance of special teams. Just because McCluster may not get a crap load of touches on offense doesn’t mean he won’t on special teams. If he is the focal point of special teams, then he is a extremely important member of this team.
Look
I don’t mean to downgrade the importance of special teams at all, really the opposite actually. But then you don’t draft a kicker, punter or KR/PR in the second round (unless he’s Devin Hester) of the Draft. That’s all I am sayin.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he's providing more than that, though
It looks like this offense is based around having a homerun threat style HB in the backfield. I think Dex was picked up not only for his ST ability and his propensity for being a decoy, but as insurance in case Charles goes down.
I’m not saying Dex = Charles. But he has the ability to break one loose on any given play, unlike Jones. And allows us to not have to completely change our offensive identity if Charles isn’t available.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
That's exactly what I think
List him as a backup RB instead of WR, and give him a few touches on offense and a lot on STs. It’s easy to say as a fan that that’s not worth a 2, but none of us get paid to scout NFL players (probably for a reason.) His skill set is similar enough to Charles that he would be very valuable to us a backup there, while earning his paycheck as a STer and “offensive weapon.”
"When I was just a baby, my momma told me "Son... always be a good boy. Don't ever play with guns." But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die..."
That's what I've been saying, right along.
And I think they LOVE lining him up in the slot and then motioning him across the formation at the snap. It seems to put defenses off-balance. He’s the kind of OW that nobody wants to be caught 1-on-1 in space against. Definitely sends a ripple through the D when he’s moving around pre-snap, he drags defenders with him, which is as good as a couple blocks play-side, when he’s a decoy, and he scary-quick with the ball when they decide to flip it to him.
Somebody who might get a lot of snaps. While people talk about McClain eating into Jones’s carries, I can see Dex being the main threat to Jones.
would of ≠ would've
Nice post, realistic and valid views
I disagree about Breaston. He’s come back nicely from the injuries he’s had, and I don’t think you’re correct about his role. Haley himself called him a slot receiver. Which means he’s not at all going against Baldwin for a spot.
I see Breaston as our way of running a lot more 3 receiver sets without a serious drop in talent (as opposed to last year when even a 2 receiver set was iffy).
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
thx MN
Hey, I hope I am wrong about Breaston. I have no problem with being wrong. But for that contract to be of any value he would have to be productive for 2, better 3 years. I hope his knees hold up that long. And maybe I am wrong bout the 3 WR sets, but I don’t see many of them happening, although that could be just me remembering the 200 times Thomas Jones fell forward for 3 yards.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the reason we didn't see them was the wrong personnel
I mean, when you’re lining up Bowe and 2 non-threats it just lets the defense cheat towards the run and takes legit blockers off the field.
If your 2 and 3 receivers actually demand attention, though, it spreads out the field for the run.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
$5 mil a year for 60 catches and 800 yds a season
Has only missed 4 games in 4 seasons, had success at both an outside and slot WR, and contrary to belief that other WRs allowed Breaston to have his best season, remember that he had Kurt Warner throwing to three 1000 yd. receivers in a Super Bowl season, one of them being Breaston. I don’t think there is a better coach than Haley to vouch for Breaston as a quality player well worth his contract he received.
Bottom line: if you gave Gregg a solid grade, Breaston deserves the same grade, at the very least.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 8:54 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
But very solid post. Like the POV, despite my disagreement
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 8:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
thx
but I don’t see how a one-year contract for Gregg and a five-year one for Breaston are even comparable from a risk standpoint.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
$9 mil guaranteed? Not much of a risk
You said yourself that Breaston’s potential is high, why wouldn’t you take that risk? He’s a high character guy with no injury history, consistent performance, and has a proven history of success with Haley.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 9:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
no injury-history?
the hell he he doesnt
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
How many games has he missed?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 9:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
like 4
but he has been dealing with a swollen knee for 2 seasons plus surgery
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Tamba has been dealing with a shoulder problem at least the last season
You think he is worth the risk?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 9:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yes I do
do you know the difference between shoulder and knee, the difference between LB and WR, the difference between problems and surgery?
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
An injury is an injury, missing games is missing games, and neither Breaston nor Hali have fine either of these often in their careers
A surgery for Breaston that caused him to miss no games is really what has you considering him a risk?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 10:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
*had either of these
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 10:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
no
he missed 3 games after that and lost his starting job after that. That’s got me worried. But I guess I am high, so maybe I am just…idk…
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, you're right, was looking at the years inverted
Still though, its hard to claim that Breaston isn’t an upgrade over anything else we have at WR, and has been consistent, despite bad QB play after Warner retired. Some look at it like why would Arizona let Breaston walk if he was an important part of the team; what they fail to realize is that Breaston was in control of where he wanted to go, as he was an UDFA, not franchised, and couldn’t be blamed for wanting to leave the QB situation that was present in Arizona (pre-Kolb trade).
Do you not think the Chiefs staff did medical tests on Breaston before they offered him a contract? If he checked out, what other “risk” would have been a better choice? Steve Smith (NY)? Sidney Rice? Braylon Edwards?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 10:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Idk
that we do need another quality WR, I liked where we were at. But whatever, I am going to shut up about it.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
If you liked where we were at with Bowe and the No-Shows, then I don't know what else to say
But again, good post either way
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I call him a "haven't seen him yet"
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Long term counts
Believe KC was looking for a long-term slot solution so Casel would have a familiar safety valve. The QB’s job gets a lot easier when he’s has a plan-B on each play that he’s comfortable with. Breaston provided the best risk/reward for this.
If you were looking for a 5 year solution who whould you have taken?
You keep saying he lost his starting job
AZ wasn’t in the playoff hunt or anything last year.
They knew that more than likely Breaston would be leaving. Why not start getting snaps for your WR that you intend to take over for him?
Some live fire experience during garbage time, as it were.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
sure
and why were they so certain they would be cutting ties with him? You ever thought about that, if he was such a great consistent WR?
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 6, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Erm, what?
It was pretty well known he was going to leave. It has nothing to do with them cutting ties with him.
A free agent is free to choose wherever he wants to go. The team he was on has no say in it.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
making a contract offer
would be one way I have heard of
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 6, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish I had all the insider info that you do
If I knew during FA which teams talked to which players, which ones didn’t even try, and the thoughts and intentions of every front office, I could make a fortune.
It’s also good that you know as a matter of fact that the Cards had no desire to have him back. I’ll start following your twitter account for breaking news during the next FA period. I’ll scoop all the blogs and journalists.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
What injury history does Tamba Hali have?
The last time I checked he has played and started in every single game of his NFL career over the last 5 years only missing 1 game in the 2008 season.
Everyone is always talking about Tamba’s “Shoulder” I have no idea what in the world they are talking about!
3 Wishes:
1. Tamba Hali gets a multi-year deal done with the Chiefs
2. The Chiefs to sweep the Broncos, Chargers, and Raiders in 2011
3. That there will be an NFL season in 2011
by bigbosschief on Aug 5, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 10:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
For God's Sake its the NFL!
People get hurt all the time and Tamba probably just got something bruised! and people are flipping Sh*t
3 Wishes:
1. Tamba Hali gets a multi-year deal done with the Chiefs
2. The Chiefs to sweep the Broncos, Chargers, and Raiders in 2011
3. That there will be an NFL season in 2011
by bigbosschief on Aug 5, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Tamba himself said he played last year with a tear in his shoulder
Pretty easy to to go google and type in “tamba hali shoulder” and look at all the results.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I seem to remember him having some feet problems
that affected his level of play the first couple of years. He did play with the problem, but not as affective as hoped.
Agree, RememberDelaney37. $9 million guaranteed isn't a huge risk.
And the long-term deal keeps him fat ‘n’ happy if things work out the way we all hope and mostly expect.
I like this deal a lot. A lot of things come together at the same time. KC didn’t break the bank on just one guy to turn their whole program around. The team is good enough to be a good platform for the player and the player’s good enough to help a good team do great things. Gives them the luxury of bringing Baldwin along at his optimum rate and safety level.
They would do that, anyway, because 1st-round pick or not, Baldwin won’t get snaps if he stinks up the joint. Breaston sets the bar pretty high for the definition of who gets to start outside. Chiefs won’t just be sticking a rookie out there and crossing their fingers like they did with Jackson. Sure, they WANT to have Baldwin start, because of the enormous up-side, but this is a far different team than Spring, 2009, and they have somebody pretty GOOD (if not great) at pretty much all positions.
would of ≠ would've
I don't really see any risk at all with Breaston.
Haley knows exactly what he’s getting and Breaston knows exactly what’s expected. Even those who say Breaston’s production is due to Fitz and Boldin can just look forward to saying his production here is due to Bowe and Baldwin. Breaston is a perfect fit for us, and that’s why he was our first FA and got the biggest deal of our FAs…
"When I was just a baby, my momma told me "Son... always be a good boy. Don't ever play with guns." But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die..."
Something else about him is he's a respectable #2, if things go to shit, even though...
… URBAN appears to be ahead of him in the line forming behind Baldwin.
would of ≠ would've
And
here I was thinking who we really got was Breaston, McClain, Gregg
Piscitelli, Siler, and more. Glad I took my blinders off!
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? STEVE BREASTON VALUE F? POTENTIAL C? YOU ARE SMOKING SOMETHING!
The Chiefs got Steve Breaston for a purpose to be the slot receiver! and he is arguably one of the best slot receivers in the NFL behind Wes Welker. It gives the Chiefs another weapon to work with and he is very productive. Breaston had 1000 yards in 2008 when a legend was throwing him the ball in 2008 and has had good season the past two years with over 700 yards each in the 2009 and 2010 seasons. If you have a number two receiver or three receiver getting over 700 yards a season he is a hell of a player. Breaston will be the number 3 receiver at slot and Baldwin will eventually be our number 2 receiver with of course Bowe at number 1.
So in my opinion Steve Breaston was the Chiefs best signing in Free-Agency this year and the best signing overall in the AFC West.
How do you not like the fact that Breaston is a Chief the Chiefs have so many weapons now its scary. Charles, Jones, McCluster, McClain, Moeaki, Bowe, Baldwin, and Breaston! I would have never even dreamed the Chiefs would have that kind of offensive talent on their team!
3 Wishes:
1. Tamba Hali gets a multi-year deal done with the Chiefs
2. The Chiefs to sweep the Broncos, Chargers, and Raiders in 2011
3. That there will be an NFL season in 2011
Take the blinders off, but leave the attitude filter on
:-)
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 9:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What?
3 Wishes:
1. Tamba Hali gets a multi-year deal done with the Chiefs
2. The Chiefs to sweep the Broncos, Chargers, and Raiders in 2011
3. That there will be an NFL season in 2011
by bigbosschief on Aug 5, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah i know
we rule MADDEN now. I love it
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah i know
we rule the AFC WEST now. I love it
3 Wishes:
1. Tamba Hali gets a multi-year deal done with the Chiefs
2. The Chiefs to sweep the Broncos, Chargers, and Raiders in 2011
3. That there will be an NFL season in 2011
About the Breaston contract
Do you really think he’s going to get all of that money? I guarantee you its heavily incentive-based, same with our contract to Jamaal and DJ.
And if he doesn’t show anything in a few years, we cut our losses and only have to pay him 9 Mil, I think its good value to me.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
well
I guess he gets about $2-$3 million in salary, so that would be gone, too. Again, in a market where BRaylon Edwards gets 1 year, 3.5 million, 5 years, $25 million is ridiculous imo
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Braylon Edwards is silly
I don’t think he is worth $2 million a year
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
not that I like him
but he is a better WR, no question about it. For a one-year “prove it” kinda deal? Every damn day.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Why? So he can show he can stay out of off-field trouble for one year, get his long-term contract, then cause some trouble?
Braylon’s on-field performances, including his drops, lack of focus, and bad route running are just the beginning of the problems with him.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
no
you dont give him the long-term contract. That wouldnt be smart (Chambers). take the production for one year, and then move on.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
At some point, you have to try to fill a void with more than just a band-aid
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
funny...
thats what I would call Breaston, as well
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Just different views I guess then.
Breaston has been consistent in the role we picked up him for – Slot WR.
Haley knows a lot about the guy first hand. That goes a long way.
Plus, Breaston wants to be here. That, too, goes a long way.
That’s a lot more than a band aid for a guy in his prime years (age 28 I think, right?).
I get that you just don’t like him and nothing anyone says will sway you. I just don’t really agree at all with your assessment. But I like the writeup and welcome it, regardless.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I have brought
up a million arguments why he is a risk, and you say I don’t like him? It doesn’t have anything to do with me liking him or not. I don’t like him for that kind of money. I dont like his contract. Do I like him? As a person? dunno, never thought about it. I like him more than braylon edwards. does that make him a better WR? no….sure dont
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 6, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Getting borderline combative there
So I’ll just say, “nope, don’t agree”
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
To add to that
Last weekend, his warm-welcoming entourage was involved in a physical altercation at a Michigan bar, reportedly assaulting employees with knives and forks. Thought to be an “instigator” in the ordeal, he could face legal action and a possible suspension down the road.
One year contract for a player facing a possible suspension this season? Yikes
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 5, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
rotoworld just said
that his contract is just one million guaranteed. in other words. no risk. at all
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Passing up on someone else who could be useful
And keeping a projected roster spot open for him when he’s going to do that crap isn’t exactly no-risk.
When you’re trying to find someone you can keep on board for several years and be consistent in the role you pick them up for, that crap is a huge risk in that you’ve missed out on much better opportunities by committing to this guy.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
then you cut his ***
but if the new star slot WR needs another meniscus surgery, and can’t move enough to play even Terrence Copper style, he still gets 9.5 mil. I think everybody can see the difference there.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 6, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Star slot receiver?
And here I thought we just got someone that was solid and consistent. Had no idea we were on board with a legitimate star. Color me impressed!
You’re worried about 9.5mil when we’re nowhere near the cap, so for all intents and purposes if he doesn’t work out, “then you cut his *”.
See? That works too. We’re not put in a bind either way. And the odds of a Braylon type working out here in the context of the 2011 Chiefs as our #2 WR (Braylon isn’t really going to want to be a slot guy) – when we have, God I hope, drafted our legit #2 WR already, makes no sense.
But signing a guy who’s been consistently solid as a slot WR to play, well, slot WR, makes sense. A possible knee injury complication is always a reality. So is Jamaal Charles’s shoulder. But when our professional medical staff check him out before a contract is signed, and thorough research is done by our GM and HC and their staff, if they think the knee isn’t enough of an issue to matter – I’ll certainly take their opinion over RandomGuyPostingOnAnInternetBlog
Namean?
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Borrowing trouble, there, RememberDelaney37. The 1-yr deal, at this moment, makes sense.
Edwards made some very good plays for the Jets last year. Play him a year, and ask yourself those questions all over again, after you’ve worked with him, and see if he’s actually growing a brain. But the 1-yr deal seems pretty low-risk.
would of ≠ would've
In regards to Waters
I don’t think Waters would be happy in a backup role, and the Chiefs were ready to plug in Asamoah. I’m assuming the Chiefs then tried to pursue a trade and wanted a fair one for Waters (Man of the Year). They respected him as a player and person and mutually agreed with him that they would release him so that he may take a job with a team he wanted and in turn keep playing instead of riding the bench.
If I were Pioli, (and who knows, maybe this was also discussed) I’d call him back and let him know we would love to have him back, at a reduced price, so that he can finish his career with the Chiefs in a backup role and continue to lead and teach our young guys!
If I were Waters, if I were not offered a starting position anywhere I wanted to go, I’d go back to KC and finish my career and take a cut in pay and get a couple super bowl rings before calling it quits!!
Chiefs
Royals
Blues
Tigers
I'd even offer him the same money he was making.
We have the cap space, especially for a one year contract. He’d bring some stability in a reserve role that we could definitely use – if he were willing to do it.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I pretty much agree here
Saying we could have gotten Braylon Edwards is kind of lame though. The reason he went for so cheap is because while he has the ability to get open, he drops so many passes it makes Bowe blush. I like the Breaston signing simply because we’re not asking him to be the #2 guy, we’re asking to be the slot, a position in which he has proven to be the most successful in. Less strain on his body with twice the production.
BOOM!
interesting breakdowns, well done
w/o agreeing or disagreeing on any of the above, I’ll say it’s very nice to see blinders-off post like this one, much appreciated
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
thx ups
I think I do remember your position on that… but somebody already told me I was high, so… ;-)
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
You're a liar and a bad person
Steve Breaston is a gentleman and a scholar.
thx for reading anyways
I’ll remember your words next time!
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 5, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll remember that you said that, mills...
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I like all the signings and think they are all upgrades over players on last years roster.
But I do agree with you that we need a Tackle and I also think a Guard.
seems to me we HAD one, pro Bowler if I recall ... wonder what happened to him?
and I also think a Guard
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Good time for Waters to move on.
I think his dealings with the new regime were civil, but maybe not cordial. Asamoah, Hudson, Lilja, Wiegs, the persistence of Darryl Harris… The writing was on the wall.
Much may depend on Harris’s progress.
There’s an outside chance there’s a young tackle already in the fold. Seems like they’re looking at 2 or 3 up-and-comers, and maybe O’Call and B-Rich are it, for the time being. Possibly none of them catch fire, which may call for a shopping expedition at some point, but maybe they’re in wait-and-see at tackle. They know what they have in B-Rich and O’Call at RT, and the current setup gives them a better read on the effect of the new WRs they added.
While I always want the BEST at the tackle spots, maybe their only REAL shot at upgrade would’ve been taking a pass at Tyron Smith. Kind of mixed feelings on the other OTs I saw taken by other teams. Sherrod, Castonzo, Garimi. Almost feel better with the DII Mims, low-risk and who knows what emerges after body by Haley and brain by Muir?
would of ≠ would've
I get the reference, but really, Dr. Frankenstein was, by all accounts, an ordinary-looking fellow.
Muir bears a faint resemblance to the movie version of the monster, itself.
would of ≠ would've
the writing was on the wall
for guys like Hutchinson, Faneca, guys whose play seriously declined. but guys like waters were not only crucial to the running game, but also to the young team in terms of mentoring. I believe this is a serious blow. And if you think, those $5 million we’ll pay Breaston (3rd WR + injury risk) and the $4 million Waters (Pro Bowler, starter) was scheduled to get, that makes me wonder. It does.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 6, 2011 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
enough with these ridiculous grades
Dear fans, just be fans…let Pioli do his job. jeesh
We have a sweet team now.. built to compete. All this wheel spinning is making me dizzy.
Superbowls in 2011 & 2012..I'm totally Cereal ! Chiefs win in 2012.
right you are, Vanna ... tell him what he's won!
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I do agree that all the polling doesn't agree with me.
I want to hear people talk about what their eyes and minds are telling them about the game. My eyes glaze over on the charts and stats, but I’ll sit and read descriptions of players and plays ’til the cows come home.
would of ≠ would've
Yes.
And while I’m pretty tired of all the polls, I understand how the community cares about the sense of the community.
would of ≠ would've
just dont read it dude
let pioli do his job? sit back and drink beer? watch the team sign a injury red flag to a 5-year deal? Yeah, right…
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 6, 2011 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
yessir!
Im out here in Los Angeles.
I love this site and the first hand accounts from training camp.
I really believe we are superbowl bound in ’11 & 12.
I know it sounds crazy….my friends & family thought I was nuts when I proclaimed the Chiefs AFC west champs during training camp last year. You could just feel the mojo oozing from the team.and.. Nothing has changed, in fact I think we are much stronger!
Superbowls in 2011 & 2012..I'm totally Cereal ! Chiefs win in 2012.
Dirk
We’re told Breaston received $5 million to sign and a $700,000 base salary in 2011. His $1.8 million base salary in 2012 is guaranteed for injury only and he has a $1.3 million roster bonus in 2012. It appears the Chiefs could get out of this after one year and less than $6 million but I can’t envision a scenario with that happening.
Did you read that? From Here
Just wondering, I am not sure why you are so down on the Steve Breaston, yet would like some one like Braylon Edwards to jump on the squad at a cheaper price.
Todd Haley likes to play mind games with his receivers, and if Brayon signed at that price and spent the first six games of the season trying to get out of the dog house. Is that any better than Breaston possibly sitting out a game or two for a knee injury. Why is Breaston’s knee injury worse than any other knee injury in the history of football. It seems it was pretty minor. As opposed to a completely torn Meniscus. Take a look:
Not another knee injury! Is it the practice bubble? Is it all the turf field games they have played on? Is it poor conditioning? Or just plain bad luck?
According to the injury report, Steve Breaston has a meniscus injury. Actually it’s a meniscus tear. You keep hearing that he has a meniscus cartilage injury. True, he does have a meniscus injury. And technically it is cartilage. So, technically they are telling the truth. However, they have intentionally made it confusing. The word ‘meniscus tear’ has a bad connotation. People hear those words and instantly think a player is done for the year or he will be hampered all year or even think his career is over! However, this is not the case. Andrew Bynum played with a torn meniscus throughout the entire NBA post season last year, but Dennis Dixon has a ‘small meniscus’ tear (by report) but is done for the year. Why the big difference? Dixon probably has a whole lot more than just a meniscus tear.
Quick anatomy lesson. The knee contains two menisci. The medial meniscus is on the inner portion of the knee and the lateral meniscus is on the outer side. The menisci lie between the thigh and leg bones of the knee (image above). They function primarily to absorb the shock of walking, running, and jumping. They also aid in protecting the other cartilage of the knee from injury. The knee moves like the hinge on a door. As we all know, hinges open and shut. In the knee, bending is shutting and straightening is opening. Just as a hinge is lubricated with oil, the knee is lubricated with synovial fluid.
How do you tear a meniscus? Most tears result from twisting. This causes the thigh bone to shear off a piece of meniscus. Usually only a portion of it is actually torn. This piece then acts like a rug caught in a door. Each time the knee bends, the torn section gets caught between the two bones. Each step or movement can be painful.
How do you fix this? It’s very simply. Perform a meniscectomy and remove the torn piece. This is almost always done arthroscopically using small instruments and cameras. Recovery is usually quick. Beanie Wells had a similar procedure and returned in about 3 weeks. I would expect Breaston to be on the same time table. It also helps that the next game is on natural grass and they have a bye week.
The knee pain is almost instantly relieved after surgery! However, these injuries typically cause some cartilage damage as well. This will take a little longer to completely heal. However, most players are walking the day of surgery, jogging within a week, doing light drills within two weeks, and possible practicing (but no contact) within in 2-3 weeks. A full return to practice and play can normally take about 3-4 weeks. I would anticipate a similar return for Breaston.
That was from here
Be a Steve Breaston fan, I am sure I have an extra pair of Blinders for you. It was a good deal, a well written contract for a guy that won’t have any trouble fitting in with Haley during a lockout shortened offseason (this is important to remember when signing guys like Edwards to your fantasy Chiefs team.) Even if they have trouble with Breaston, they made the contract team friendly and I think it was well worth the risk.
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 6, 2011 10:43 PM CDT reply actions
you are seriously
considering Breaston for your fantasy team? Are we gonna have 3 WRs with 1000yds receiving, Arizona-style?
Even if it didn’t seem like it, I know a little bitty bout football myself. The 49ers lost Michael Crabtree, and signed Edwards. Add 1 and 1, and I think, barring suspension, you have a nice late round flier.
Otherwise good arguments. Again, the problem with Breaston is that he didn’t come back strong. If you watched any games you’ll notice that he wasn’t the same. If he doesn’t recover, you basically dumped $6 million into the Missouri.
But with Fridays game coming up, I’ll take some Kool-Aid but leave the blinders off. Thx though.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 9, 2011 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Breaston would be a nice dark horse candidate.
Never know what’s going to happen with the rookie Baldwin, or what direction this offense will take. Breaston wasn’t in a great situation for coming back strong, if you take the time to look at AZ. It’s ironic that Fitz is stuck there, while all his partners in crime went looking for gigs with good (better) teams.
would of ≠ would've
his ceiling would be WR4 + no red zone production
too many guys you will take targets away.
I think Fitz is pretty smart. It’s his team, he got his quarterback + it is still one of the weakest (or THE weakest) division in the NFL, so they will be in contention for the playoffs as long as Kolb doesn’t completely bomb.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 10, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Too many guys you will take targets away? You're kidding, right?
Hand-wringing over having too many guys to throw the ball to?
I think Fitz is smart, too. But you’re talking fantasy football more than wins and losses, imo.
would of ≠ would've
mmh my bad
didn’t mean to write ‘you’. but for fantasy purposes I think it is safe to say that when there are 4 or 5 guys who will see targets, with bowe and moeaki in the red zone plus charles out the backfield, there is no upside with this guy in ff. could he have a 7 catch game, yeah maybe, but he his fantasy production will be highly inconsistent and limited to PPR.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 12, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
actually I'll stay away from all chiefs
like almost every year. First of all, I know I overvalue them, I always do, and secondly, bowe will be drafted too high, his tds will LIKELY go down, you don’t know how many carries charles is going to get, nobody does, but he will not drop to round 2, so I won’t take him. There is really nobody with any value/upside.
by Dirk_N_41_rules on Aug 12, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
The deal was pretty friendly to Breaston, as well, imo.
All around good signing.
would of ≠ would've

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