Observations from Chiefs Training Camp - August 4th
From the FanPosts. -Chris
While the players slowly made their way onto the field, everyone was watching closely but there was no Tamba Hali. All of us in the stands seemed to become resigned to the idea that he possibly wasn't in town yet.
While the players were standing around waiting for practice to start (it started 30 minutes late), Kelly Gregg looked excited to be on the field. As Joel pointed out about him last night, he was making a point to talk with the other players. He was smiling and excited to be in football gear.
Something I didn't notice until today and someone has probably already pointed out - the rookies are not wearing arrowhead on their helmets. As we know, two years ago Haley wouldn't let anyone wear arrowheads and they were even taken off after the first two preseason games - and then Haley said it was getting too expensive. Last year, nobody had them until the first pre-season game. This year, everyone seems to have them except the rookies.
During the opening portion of practice, Tyson Jackson was working one-on-one with someone who appeared to be Master Joe Kim in hand to hand combat drills. Something I've observed about Tyson and I know other people have as well this year at training camp: he seems driven. We already know that he showed up in great shape. Today, though, he wasn't just going through the motions. In the time I observed him, a lot of the other linemen were at a point where they were able to take a much-needed breather, and it looked like Jackson had pulled this coach, I think it was Master Kim, aside to work on stuff. When they would pause, Tyson was animated in the way that he would ask questions and seek clarification - showing with his arms one thing and seemingly looking to see if that's the right way. His body language says he is driven to rise to his level of potential. Later, Kelly Gregg was working one on one with a coach in hand to hand combat drills.
Jim Zorn worked on a exercise with the QB's that involved two exercise balls. One QB would stand in the middle holding a football, and they had to avoid getting hit by the exercise balls from four different directions. On four corners were the other two QB's, Zorn, and another coach. Cassel looked pretty good in the drill and was able to avoid getting hit most of the time. One time when he did get hit he knew it was coming and put his shoulder into it. Palko and Stanzi each were hit more - Stanzi more than Palko. When Cassel's second turn in the drill came, he jokingly laid down on the ground and signaled a timeout - which caused everyone involved in the drill to laugh a lot.
Throughout the drill, Zorn repeatedly explained the point of the what they were doing. He would say "now the whole point is to..." He's not the type of coach to say "just do it, and don't ask questions." He explains the reasons behind his methods which seems like it will be effective. Overall, throughout the whole practice, Zorn is a very hands on coach. He's talking with the QB's at every opportunity. I went to camp a few times last year, and I am sure that Charlie Weis is a brilliant coach in his own right, but I did not see the type of hands on coaching with as I do with Zorn. Granted, I don't think Weis was the official QB coach, but I know Cassel says he learned a lot from him. Zorn also did a drill with them where the QB took the snap looked left, rolled counter clockwise, turned around and threw to a target on the right. I'm willing to bet that Zorn is going to help our QB's feel more comfortable in the pocket, have improved judgement, and have to discipline to pump fake and not stare down their receiver.
The Bowe Show returned for a segment when someone (maybe from NFL flims?) was filming the receiver drills. During that time, Bowe would talk the fans and the stands - and the camera was all over him.
As has already been described on this site, there is a drill a camp where three or four offensive linemen go against 1 defensive linemen or OLB. Today it was 3 on 1. The other day when they OLB's were involved it was 4 on 1 Jerell Powe stood his ground well during that drill today, and received some one-on-one coaching from Romeo Crennel. DL Dion Gales knocked OL Mike Ingersoll to the ground. Once again, Todd Haley and Scott Pioli were watching this drill carefully. Haley chatted one-on-one with Kelly Gregg for a couple of minutes while it wasn't his turn.
LeRon McClain is wearing #44 for the Chiefs.
At 5:13, the players (except the QB's) took their pads off and wore just shells for the remainder of practice.
Later, there was a drill that involved QB's, wideouts, and defensive backs. The QB would take the snap and only one WR and one DB would be lined up, so they both knew the pass was coming their way since there were no other options. Javier Arenas had a really nice break-up during this drill. The first time Bowe and Flowers lined up, Bowe had a couple steps on Flowers to begin with, but even though he was a couple of steps behind Flowers was able to catch back with Bowe before the pass arrive and when Bowe turned around to make the catch, Flowers swatted it away. This got Haley's attention - who three times shouted across the field "That's an insult, Dwayne!". Bowe won the next two match-ups against Flowers. Of course, the CB's have a natural disadvantage at this point in training camp since they're not being as physical as the usually would be.
On the other end of the field, the conditioning coach Mike Clark was working the big guys on a drill that appeared from a distance to be about agility and being light on their feet. We know how Haley likes his big guys to be athletic. They would jump from having all their weight on one leg to the other and then practiced jumping in the air so as to deflect as pass or block a kick.
Jon McGraw low-fived Pioli once when he was running from drill to drill.
Before 7 on 7 and 11 on 11, Haley had most of the team running sprints for a few minutes. Conditioning was another big part of the practice as it had been with every practice so far. Hopefully, that will pay dividends in the 4th quarter when September rolls around.
At some time between 5:15 and 5:30, Tamba Hali showed up which was exciting to the crowd and his teammates seemed happy to see him.
During 7 on 7, WR coach Richie Anderson got onto WR Chandler Williams after he turned around in his route to make a catch. Anderson yelled "don't sit" which was echoed by other coaches. Apparently, Williams had not accelerated quickly enough after making the catch but rather stayed still . He was trying to correct this. Speaking of Williams, he made several nice catches throughout the practice, one of which made those of us in the stands cheer because he was in tight coverage.
Brandon Flowers broke up a pass from Matt Cassel intended for Jerheme Urban. When DB Ricky Price was on the field, he was very vocal in shouting out down and distance and encouraged the rest of the D to communicate. After Jamaal Charles caught a pass in 7 on 7 that looks like it would have gone for a TD, Todd Haley was really excited and even walked toward Jamaal at the other end of the field pumping his fist in the air. A lot of other times good things happen and he doesn't get that animated so he must have been really pleased with the way the play was executed.
When 11 on 11 started, Todd Haley said he wanted things to move a faster pace than 7 on 7 except "the guys up front... not so much." He said he wanted them to focus on technique. Bill Muir dialed in the plays during 11 on 11. Derrick Johnson intercepted a Matt Cassel pass and that seemed to get the defense excited. Hali got involved in 11 on 11. He could have had Cassel at one point but of course stopped, stood, and watched him make the throw. Of course, there was not the same blocking against Hali as there would be in a game (which usually involves an OT grabbing his facemask and not getting called for it).
One of Romeo Crennel's hand signals to the defense looks like he is brushing the haters off his shoulder. During 11 on 11, when Haley knew his team was tired, he yelled "this isn't going to happen by accident."
At the end of the practice, most of the team (except kick and punt returners who were working on another field) worked on conditioning again. There were three groups. One group would lay face down on the grown, and when the whistle blew would jump up and sprint. Then the next two groups would do the same. Each group did this exercise no less than ten times. This football team is going to be very well-conditioned.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Great as always
Curious if Houston was in camp today?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 4, 2011 10:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm curious about this as well.
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Honestly
I’m not sure. I saw Joel’s tweet in the middle of practice that he had signed and wasn’t able to spot him if he was there.
Houston
Signed this morning. That makes all 9 draft picks signed. Everyone should be in camp today. 1 week til Tampa!!!
by Lukas Taylor Wigington on Aug 5, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
REC'D
Excellent post sir. Keep em coming. Love that Haley sounds like a man possessed…as usual.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
as long
as dorsey is ok then has been a good past few days all around, in practice and free agency
by WichitaChiefsfan85 on Aug 4, 2011 11:01 PM CDT reply actions
only good news, thanks for the post!
the low five had to of been a quick hello or wats up between the two.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
Naw. He was slipping Pioli money so he doesn't get cut.....
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 4, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nice work!
I’m jealous! "Of course, there was not the same blocking against Hali as there would be in a game (which usually involves an OT grabbing his facemask and not getting called for it). " Priceless!
You Play to Win the game!!!
Hali needs to work on hand fighting to make sure offensive linemen can't get to his face mask
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 4, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Hali is one of the best in the bizz at using his hands
it’s just hard to fend off four arms when you only have two.. Gregg should help there
BOOM!
Yeah, Gregg is a stout dude. It's going to take 2 blockers to keep him in check.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Love it!
One of Romeo Crennel’s hand signals to the defense looks like he is brushing the haters off his shoulder.
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by chiefsfan62 on Aug 4, 2011 11:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I cringed hearing we're talking about our signals!
TMI! IMO……..
...the fair-weather fan seldom comprehends the value of faith or will combined with the requirements necessary of goal accomplishment: attention to a plan's details, personal fortitude developed from a consistent quality work ethic, and strengthening of character and faith, are all sweaty, time-consuming, attributes which "the sky is falling" fair-weather fan interprets as rain on their parade...
by Chiefs Fanalyst on Aug 5, 2011 8:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nothing to worry about.. These change per game and this is just a practice..
besides, we don’t know exactly who the signal was for and what it actually meant..
Rowdy
Incredible stuff, very well written
Thank You… Go Chiefs
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 4, 2011 11:24 PM CDT reply actions
Great report, thanks
Love seeing the stuff on Jackson. Can’t wait to see him play this year.
Great job as usual.
Sounds like the Chiefs knew what they were coming into once the season started and carried on the “Right 53” mentality. Seems like this team is really buying in and making me like Todd Haley and Pioli even more.
#baldwinning
Great job...
Really nice report, and rec’d.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
Thanks for the update!
hoping to get up there again this weekend!
haha
Of course, there was not the same blocking against Hali as there would be in a game (which usually involves an OT grabbing his facemask and not getting called for it).
this!
Now if Master Joe Kim can just teach Tamba how to get out of a choke hold...
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Hali should get a lot more attention from the refs this year
With his big payday he’s officially an NFL star, which means he’ll be getting more calls his way.
Predictions:
KC will be a Superbowl favorite in 2012
Wouldn't count on it
We’re still a small market team. It’ll take a lot for us to start getting breaks.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
i would almost guarantee that the Chiefs film staff...
Put together a nice highlight reel montage of Hali’s multiple holds from last year. And then gift wrapped it in Chiefs wrapping paper and delivered it to the Head of League Officiating with a note that read “Pay attention, or you could wake up to a gift laying in your bed.”
Or something like that.
Chiefs Revised FA Wish List: True NT and a Solid RT. I'll take McClain too. Say NO to Moss and Owens. Also, pay them: Carr, Flowers and Hali.
by Falcon58 on Aug 5, 2011 8:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
We just need a camera dedicated to closeups of Tamba
and constantly play back the holds on the jumbo tron. Maybe the refs will pickup on it.
"What we need is......more cowbell." - C. Walken
Hali gets held a lot,
But so does every other elite pass rusher. It’s part of the game, and I don’t think it is changing.
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by saskwatch on Aug 5, 2011 9:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Enforce the rule or change the rule.
Blatant flouting (Notice I didn’t say “flaunt?”) of the rules is bad for the game, and I’m pretty sick of seeing it. Refs need to get their shit together, and QBs need to pay the price for their LT gettin’ beat.
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I'm pretty sure that the league told the refs to stop calling fouls
I don’t know what the statistic was but a few years ago holding calls were pretty high, then the next year they were down by a lot and have slowly been decreasing.
What a coincidence for a “passing” league huh?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 8, 2011 3:28 AM CDT up reply actions
It has too much influence on the outcome of the game to be called the way they call it.
I think it affects the integrity of the game.
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Thanks Again!
Those of us who are geographically disadvantaged really appreciate you taking the time to draft these reports. Almost feels like we’re there. Thanks for this!
by Chief_Elmo on Aug 5, 2011 7:18 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Definitely this.
Being in TN, I don’t really care so much what the Titans are doing in camp. These kind of reports are really appreciated.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
by TRSChief on Aug 5, 2011 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I’m in VA, so all we get to hear about here is the Redskins QB controversy — John Beck or Rex Grossman. I could care less — honestly, I’m hoping they end up with a losing record so that rat-face gets fired. I still get a little bit pissed off every time I see his little rat-face on TV — hard to let go of that…
by Chief_Elmo on Aug 5, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
'disadvantaged' as a verb is fun
ya i just left KC and now I’m 1200 miles away :(
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Aug 5, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I am sick and tired of
ESPN (AKA Every Sport Played in New york) dedicating 2 minutes per day on NFL teams west of the Missippi and the NFL Network (AKA the Jets Network) having 24-7 coverage of Rex Ryan press conferences.
"Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys!"
by XianDave on Aug 5, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes. I have less and less use for ESPN and NFLN.
Maybe those are the only organizations who are catering to the newsies. You know Rex loves talking.
But I understand them playing to the crowd. The big markets are punchin’ their ticket. Advertisers want ‘em to grab those markets. Luckily for us, we easily bypass those channels and get it straight from the podium, if we wish. I’m no good to those ESPN and NFLN clowns, anyway, since I’ll turn ‘em on, go do something else or watch a movie, and then watch total access, but Fast-Forward thru the commercials. There’s an untapped market for them in guys like me who’d rather just pay them cash to see a show with no commercials. Not sure how many like me there are, since guys like me also avoid all their marketing polls.
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Great Update!
Appreciate these updates and love hearing about the extra coaching Zorn is giving the QBs. Living in DC, I have a pretty good perspective on his coaching abilities (or lack thereof) and when I heard the Chiefs had picked him up, I knew that our QB play would improve immediately. He’s doing the little things that Charlie couldn’t do last year and that’s good for this team. Awesome stuff.
Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys.
Excellent observations--thanks!
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
that last bit
sounds like they are practicing their planking abilities..
oh, and excellent post
I love reading the “view from the stands” accounts of the training camp practices.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Aug 5, 2011 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I see that, and raise it a Dexter McCluster in Publix

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
How much is he per pound mister?
"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
Those that wish potentially fatal diseases or other ill-fortunes on others, are the LOWEST form of trash!
These are just fantastic
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
“Jon McGraw low-fived Pioli once when he was running from drill to drill.”
Clearly the man has a pciture of the Don in a compromising situation.
Baldwin
How did he look at the practice?
by MidMo Chiefs Fan on Aug 5, 2011 8:41 AM CDT reply actions
I should have mentioned this
Baldwin did not fully participate. I didn’t notice it myself, but at the beginning of practice someone tweeted that he was not in pads and had part of his leg wrapped. After practice at the autograph session, he seemed to be in good spirits. I doubt it’s anything serious – probably the staff is taking precaution with something.
Brian Waters
What ever happened with Brain Waters? I know he left the team but did he retire? He hasn’t been picked up by anyone (if he didn’t retire), maybe he should just come home.
He is probably waiting.
At this point his best opportunity is probably to wait until a contender has a serious injury. He will probably get more money being patient.
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by saskwatch on Aug 5, 2011 9:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
- Gregg took over from Toribio with #1s pretty quickly.
- Carr took over from Arenas pretty quickly.
- Richardson took over
- Wiegs took over
- Hali took over
I like the way the new guys have to earn #1 status and quickly do so.
Baldwin has his thigh wrapped. Was said to be moving the cycle with his arms more than his legs. Sounds like a hammy to me.
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Ugh. Man I really hope it's not one of those lingering hammy issues.
Depending on where on the hammy, and to what degree – those things can ruin a season. =/
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Confirmed in another article that it is hamstring.
Not thought to be severe, but yeah, I’m concerned. Not as concerned as I would be if he were up around 30 yrs old, though.
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Jon McGraw low-fived Pioli once when he was running from drill to drill.
Well that means we are superbowl bound right?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
If KC gets a cold, the rest of the league gets pneumonia.
By this time, Haley’s sent the message about conditioning expectations, and they play it pretty damn careful. I think they make better progress in less time, because that’s Haley’s focus. It was one of his foci (heh) before the CBA put hard rules in place. Even as 1st-year HC, Haley got ’em in and out on time, with none of that Marty BS, keeping his big men on the field into the night, just to teach ’em some lesson or other.
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How is Breaston looking?
You guys grabbed the best under the radar WR in the league, and being reunited with the man that made him a 1000 yard catcher in the slot, behind the best WR duo in the league at the time, well, you may have yourselves a little Fitz, I disliked losing Breaston very much.
Sorry for your loss. Glad for our gain.
Very sportsmanlike of you to say what you did. KC’s trying to reproduce a lot of the conditions that made Breaston his best. Don’t know if Cassel will ever be the dart-thrower that Warner was, though.
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He doesn't need to be
Breaston makes all the catches, unless they are from Derek Anderson because nobody can catch something that’s 5+yards in front of them
I think AZ just needs to find a mobile, tough QB, stick with him awhile, while building team.
Get a guy who can move and SURVIVE while the team catches up. They’ve been hunting for QB since Martz presided over the dismantling of the O-Line.
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Dude Kevin Kolb
Solution
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 8, 2011 3:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup. And he's tutoring their latest shiny new draft pick, IIRC.
Just not sure how durable Kolb is, and I think that’s pretty key while you’re sorting things out on the O-Line (Maybe they have it worked out?). I do think he can make pretty much all the throws, though. And he moves around pretty good. You have to TRY to get Fitzgerald the ball. I just don’t know how consistently anybody can do that, and they may have underestimated the QBs they had by overestimating the line they played behind. Just my impression.
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