The QB Question (and Answer?)
by Bumin80 on Aug 30, 2011 1:47 PM CDT
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There are basically two types of Kansas City fans that read these posts. One type argues that Matt Cassel is coming off a Pro Bowl appearance and while not elite, is fully capable of "managing" the K.C. Chiefs to playoff success. The rest of us have some serious hesitation with this type of belief.
Certainly there are some unloyal "fans" that would like to see Cassel hurt in order to bring in their fanchise savior. True fans should be repulsed by this type of thinking. As long as Cassel is under center on Sunday, Chiefs fans should be hoping (and praying) for his success.
With the league seemingly becoming more and more a pass first league, true K.C. fans also have the right to talk about whether an elite QB is needed to take the Chiefs to the next level. One thing I notice about the teams who are perennial playoff contenders is their consistency in QB play. Whether it be the Peyton Manning, Dree Brees, Phillip Rivers or this next generation which will include Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, and possibly Sam Bradford or Matt Stafford....teams that want to win in the playoffs understand the need for an elite QB.
The arguement usually thrown around AP is that elite QBs are hard to come by and the Chiefs don't necessarily need one anyway. I would challenge this line of thinking. Sure great QBs are hard to come by, but it sure seems hard for a team to win the SB without one. Baltimore has a SB, but if the had elite QB play they would be as successful as the Patriots. N.Y. Jets will not get over the hump, despite a great D and a good running game, because Sanchez is not elite. Houston is a good team with possibly the best receiver/running back combo in the league and yet they will not be contenders either because Schaub is too inconsistent. Sure you can look at teams like the Giants who won a SB a few years ago, or find another team that is the exception to the rule, but those teams are usually one year wonders. We want K.C. to be a regular contender, not an unexpected guest in the playoffs.
So, will Matt Cassel ever be elite? As much as I want to believe, I have to answer "No." Does that mean I am a bad fan? Does it mean I don't like Matt as a person or a leader? Again the answer is "No." But I think that Matt Cassel is ultimately one of the best backup QBs in the league. (I believe he is better than Kolb who should also be a backup) So, where do we look for an answer?
One of the great things that Pioli likes to do is to draft a QB every year in the search for the elite. Sometimes a player is able to transition immediately to the NFL and become a successful QB right away. Generally however, the longstanding pattern of an NFL Quarterback has been to sit a few years under a successful quarterback and watch how he prepares, how he studies and disects the film everyweek, what small things he does that make him a step above the rest. Steve Young sat under Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers sat under Brett Favre, and many more situations repeat that pattern. So, could Ricky Stanzi be the answer to the Chiefs QB situation? Possibly, in a few years. What about all the Chiefs fans clamouring for the Chiefs to draft Andrew Luck next year? Most likely he will be taken long before the Chiefs pull the trigger in the draft. And even then, it may be a few years before he shows any signs of reaching his potential (elite or not).
So is there anyone who we can say is a can't miss elite QB the Chiefs should be targeting? The answer is obviously, "no." There are no can't misses, and if there were, they'd already have a huge contract on another team. But I do think there is someone out there that intrigues me as a potential elite QB that is off many peoples radar. Who is this mystery QB? Chase Daniel.
Missouri Tiger fans already know the name. What you may or may not know is that Daniel has always had a chip on his shoulder because he has never been the proto-typical college or even NFL quarterback when it came to size. He wanted to go to UT, but was overlooked in favor of Colt McCoy because McCoy was a few inches taller. Despite the fact that Daniel just led his high school team to the 5A state Championship. So Daniel went to Missouri, who unless we are complete homers, we would recognize fields a far less talented crop of players than the Texas Longhorns. Yet, a few years later, Daniel had his Tiger team one win away from going to the national championship. He is an overachiever. In reality, Daniel had comparable college numbers to McCoy with much less talent. McCoy seems well on his way to making a big jump this year if the preseason is any indication.
What is much less known is that while quietly sitting under the tutorship of Dree Brees the last two years (where he collected a SB ring two years ago) Chase Daniel has been learning what it takes to be an elite QB in the NFL. Daniel has been a solid performer in the last two preasons. Last Sunday night on a nationally televised game, the Saints removed Brees and left the starters in for three series with Daniel at the helm. The result: 21 points, two touchdowns passing, one rushing. Could Daniel be a future elite quarterback (ala Aaron Rodgers)? Are the Saints willing to part with him? Is it worth the Chiefs looking into? These are questions that I have asked myself and I encourage you to do as well. No matter your answer, we must find an elite QB in the very near future.
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That is the common knock
The nonsense though is that he is the same height or slightly taller than the guy he is sitting behind (and he happens to be pretty dang good)….as have Flutie and others who have not listened to what the nay-sayers tell them….I don’t know if he is the answer, but I do say that we have to throwing the line out there trying to snag an elite QB….
I don't think
The Chiefs are looking unless Cassel completely regresses this season. They have made it clear he’s the #1 guy and they will likely be grooming his replacement (something KC has failed to do in many many many years).
The general thought on here that I see is how will he do this year and I agree with that, it’s a make or break time for him. I’d like to improve our line so he has one of those pocket things that was talked about on here earlier, that’s not an excuse for Matt just an awful truth. I watched the Pats game and Brady didn’t have any time to get the ball off and looked awful and I think most would agree Tom Brady is an elite QB. So basically yeah, that o-line needs to do a better job, but also Cassel needs to progress as well.
false ... they were not in the playoff hunt because they had an abysmal defense
Houston is a good team with possibly the best receiver/running back combo in the league and yet they will not be contenders either because Schaub is too inconsistent.
your premise about “consistency” is fair but only as far as it goes … Cassel is improving (certainly over 2009) and as long as he continues to improve I have no issues with him … now, if was consistently bad then there’d be a huge issue … that’s the problem with tossing out the word “consistent” … JaMarcus Russell is consistently bad … buy hey, he was consistent!
now then, I have no problem with Chase Daniel … hell, I was pushing for him a coupla yrs ago … last year I was hoping we’d take Spoon (and so it goes, dreams dashed once again) but regardless, we could the love-child of Peyton Manning here today and Cassel would still be the starter until Love Manning got his feet wet and then some
now, you’ve already admitted that Cassel is an on-field leader … that and him doing WHAT HE’S TOLD TO DO … along with a very good running game AND a stout defense … is more than enough to get us well into the playoffs (once there it’s another story)
look, I had MAJOR issues with Cassel at the start of last year, but he’s proven himself CAPABLE … not elite, mind you and that he’s never gonna be … but he’s CAPABLE
and you don’t toss a capable driver out of the car in the middle of a race …
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Agreed with the Houston Comment
also, I agree, Chase is a solid QB, and I wanted Spoon as well, even though i’m far from a MU fan, you have to respect Talent.
However, if were were looking at teams Back Up QBs, Matt Flynn
Although I think Cassel can do just fine and I think Stanzi is going to be good, and see him being the starter his 3rd year
you could be right, we shall see ...
Stanzi is going to be good, and see him being the starter his 3rd year
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
spoken like an all-grown-up and mature person
… or not
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Thats what I was thinking up...
Here is a quote from the April 2009 Bleacher Report…..
“He had great combine stats that should impress teams, but don’t very much because of their focus turned to Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman. Daniel’s great combine and college stats prove to make him one of the most underrated QBs in the Draft.
These two QBs have great stats in college and in the combine. No offense to Sanchez, but both Harrell’s and Daniel’s College stats are better than his by far, not to mention four year’s experience instead of one starting year.
If NFL scouts weren’t just watching the top three or four QBs in the draft, Harrell and Daniel should be projected and drafted in the first or second round."
Again, I don’t know if Daniel is the Answer…for that matter if Harrell would be a good QB…but “fat turd” is not mature and/or accurate to describe a pretty athletic young QB
Stanzi is the guy
He’s an old school real QB. 3 year starter in college, won Bowl games, improved every year at the helm. That Western PA- Ohio area produces the best QB talent anywhere. He’s got all the intangibles and is a hard worker. Quick decision making and an even quicker release. A couple more years to really learn the offense and he is the guy.
Matty C gives us the best chance to win right now, as much as it pains me to say it, he does. I think our defense this year is going to dictate how our season goes.
NFL draft scouting report
Decision-making must improve. Takes too many chances and puts the ball in harms way too often. Unsound footwork leads to inaccuracy on intermediate and deep throws. Needs to do a better job of leading receivers. Doesn’t have a quick release and can hold the ball a tick too long.
Good intagibles but he has always been a poor decision maker and that doesn’t usually improve in the NFL. Might have a chance, but is a huge leap to hope he can develop.
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Junior year- 56.3% completion 17td's 15 Ints
Senior year- 64% completion 25TD’s 6 Int’s.
I’d say in college he improved on that.
Great post, right up until the "Chase Daniel is elite" part.
Chase Daniel? Let me preface my comment by saying I’m Chase Daniel fan. I’m happy the kid got an NFL break and made the most of it to stuck around as a backup. However, I do not believe he’s somehow a diamond-in-the-rough elite QB. I don’t care about his good preseason game or his winning ways in HS and college. The league is chock-full of players who carried their high school and college teams on their backs—at the NFL-level even the scrubs were good in college.
It’s not perfect science, but projecting players based on their body type works. That means guys with big time talent (JaMarcus Russel) and athleticism (Donald Washington) but lack the work ethic or instinct necessary to succeed at football will fail.
But when a guy, especially a QB, plays for a major program like MIssouri or Florida, the scouts get a pretty idea of what he’s capable of. It’s hard to understand all of the variables as casual fan (I certainly don’t,) so I can sympathize with college fans who wonder why winning college QBs aren’t good NFL prospects (see: Eric Crouch, Todd Reesing, Josh Heupel, Jason White and Tim Tebow.) But the fact is they’re not. NFL scouts are pretty good at their jobs. Drew Brees’ height only dropped his draft stock about a half-round to the first pick of the second round coming out of Purdue. Whereas, the late round and UDFA QBs from major college programs like Chase Daniel and Matt Cassel rarely become elite or even passable starters.
NFL scouts DO miss successful QBs sometimes. But the most common reason these successful QBs get overlooked until later is because they didn’t play in a major college program. Because the competition wasn’t there, wildcards like San Jose State’s Jeff Garcia, East Carolina’s David Garrard, Eastern Illinois’ Tony Romo, Northern Iowa’s Kurt Warner or Louisiana-Layafette’s Jake Delhomme got passed up in favor of less-risky players.
There are exceptions to every rule and sometimes a successful NFL quarterback from a major college program falls through the cracks and gets drafted late. Michigan’s Tom Brady is the big fat obvious example and I’ll even throw in West Virginia’s Marc Bulger and Boston College’s Matt Hasselbeck because they were decent as starters for a couple seasons.
I’ll leave Matt Cassel off that list because he’s only had two good seasons and is currently tied with Oregon State sixth-round bust Derek Anderson for number of Pro Bowl appearances. The deck looks stacked against late-rounders like Matt Cassel and Chase Daniel.
So should we drop our non-elite QB now and mortgage the farm for a spin at early-first round QB roulette?
Not so fast hotshot. By not starting a single game at USC, all Matt Cassel proved was that Pete Carroll is a dick and that he wasn’t as good as Carson Palmer. Sounds like he fits better in the ‘wildcard’ category than the ‘overlooked’ one.
Allow me to abandon all-pretense by coming out as a fan who believes in game-managers. The Pittsburgh Steelers decided that they could make 3 Super Bowl appearances in 7 years with game-manager named Ben Roethlisberger.
The Chiefs and Steelers are singing out of the same hymnal: build an elite defense and have a running game that sets up your passing game, with a QB that sacrifices deep-ball heroics in favor of fewer turnovers and sacks.
Elite big-play QBs like Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady air the ball up between 550-600 times a season. Matt Cassel hasn’t thrown over 500 attempts since he arrived in KC and Ben Roethlisberger has only passed more than 450 times in three season of his career (two of those three seasons the Steeler’s failed to make the playoffs.)
In their first three years as starters, Cassel and Big Ben put up similar numbers in similar run-heavy systems:
Passing Yards
Cassel (9,733)
Big Ben (8,522)
TD/INT
Cassel (64/34)
Big Ben (52/43)
Avg. Comp. %:
Cassel (58.87)
Big Ben (62.77)
If Cassel can keep his completion % up, his INTs down and make the most of his new targets to move the sticks on 3rd down, I don’t see any reason why he can’t ride the running game and Romeo Crennel’s soon-to-be-elite defense all the way to a Super Bowl or two or three in the next decade.
by Aesthetist on Aug 30, 2011 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
As much as I like cassel as a game manager
Roesthlisberger has a much better feel for the game. Throw the stats aside and watch what Big Ben does in big games. He always gets the job done and puts his team on his back. So many signature drives, so many signature plays. Granted Cassel’s been to the playoff only once, so Im more than willing to give him another shot. But from what we saw from Cassel in his first playoff game, he is no where near the caliber of Roethlisberger. Yeah yeah Ravens had alot of pressure in his face, etc., but how many times has Big Ben shrugged off a defender to throw a key pass to preserve a long drive down the field. And Cassel had zero TD’s, barely threw over a hundred yards, and had Three int. Regardless of pressure, a great QB always finds a way to get it done.
Roethlisberger's greatest strength …
… is not passing skill or game management. It’s his consistent ability to resist a sack-in-progress. That ability buys him extra time to let receivers get open and to throw. If he had to get rid of the ball as quickly as other quarterbacks in the league, he might not even be a serviceable starter.
@ Andrew33 Big game poise comes with big game experience
You’re looking at Ben Roethlisberger’s total body of work. He’s had some amazing “How’d he do that?” plays in recent years. But Big Ben has been a starter in the league since the 2004 season, and put up video-game numbers at Miami of Ohio before that.
All his recent heroics have overshadow how terrible he was in the playoffs early in his career.
In the 2005 playoffs, Big Ben threw 5 picks in two games en route to a 61.3 QB rating.
In the 2008 playoffs, he threw 3 picks in one game, effectively ending the Steeler’s season.
Big Ben was pretty average this year too, throwing 4 picks, barely averaging 200 yards/game for a 76.3 playoff QB rating
Matt Cassel is the equivalent of a 25 year-old Ben Roethlisberger. He’s learning, honing craft a little more every game. To fine-tune his internal clock, to side-step a rusher or to waiting patiently for the crossing route to reach an open passing window even though the hit is coming. I think he can get us there we just have watch and wait.
Cassel
has shown no signs of ever being as good as Roethlisberger. Hes already 29, hitting his prime and he’s never shown the ability to string strong consistent QB performance together (Not Statistics) and never shown signs of carrying a team on his shoulders to a convincing statement victory. Not that Im totally against Cassel improving and such, but at this point it’s a huge stretch to compare such an accomplished QB with one that hasn’t even shown consistent QB play. Yes Cassel threw 27TD and 10INT last season (if you count the most important game of last season), but every game there were significant problems with balls underthrown, overthrown, behind the receiver. There was also a lack of playmaking from Cassel and times when he disappeared completely. My point is Cassel is lightyears away from Roethlisberger, and last years 27-10 statistic cannot tell us too much about what kind of QB he really is.
Not lightyears behind Big Ben, 4 years behind Big Ben.
Why is comparing Ben Roethlisberger after 3 seasons as starter to Matt Cassel after 3 seasons as starter a huge stretch?
How well do you remember the Steelers in 2006? (Big Ben’s 3rd year)
Even the season after his first Super Bowl win. (The one where you don’t need statistics to know that Big Ben stunk: 0 TDs, 2 INTs, and a record low 22.6 QB rating) How did they win? Stingy defense and the ability to convert on 3rd down.
But back to the point, Big Ben’s third year as starter lacked anything resembling strong consistant QB performances. He oscillated wildly from amazing strikes to seemingly covered receivers to games where he looked Jay Cutler on crack throwing pick after pick trying to force the ball. Several times he did both in the same game. There’s a pretty decent breakdown of the season game-by-game here. To prove the point.
Me? I’ll take Cassel’s 27 TD / 10 INT season over Roethlisberger’s 18 TD / 23 INT 3rd season any day of the week.
The ONLY legitimate criticism you offer is, “a lack of play-making ability from Cassel.” Which I will interpret for the sake of discussion to mean, “a lack of ability to convert on 3rd down.”
Ben Roesthlisberger is an above-average quarterback but he’s an elite game manager. The only two things that make him special are his ability to avoid sacks and the ability to convert on 3rd down. He stays on his feet long enough to make a short or medium percentage throw that keeps the drive alive and the defense and running game do everything else.
You are correct Cassel HAS to improve his 3rd down conversions. Fans bitch about him not throwing deep, fans whine about him throwing it away too often, fans complain about accuracy. If he improves in those areas great, but he’s already good enough. The only area where Matt Cassel needs to improve is moving the sticks on 3rd down.
An appearance as a Pro Bowl alternate was a good start, and good stats in QB ratings and TD/INT are helpful tools to measure performance, but unless he can move the chains to keep drives alive, Matt Cassel won’t be the future of the Chiefs.
He’s got the receivers now, I just hope the offensive line plays well enough that there aren’t any excuses next year.
Now that's a discussion thread!
Aes – nice job backing up your argument with knowledgeable and relavent information. I agree – and Rec’d!
by Eastcoastransplant on Aug 31, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Well said Andrew.
The Chiefs had the 29th ranked passing game in the league last year.
It doesn't matter if our QB has a good TD/INT ratio.
super comment, Aes ... best of the day, week and likely the month
and totally wreck’d
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i was watching Chase Daniels yesterday
he didnt look that great. There were often wide open recievers, but he held the ball too long and tried to force it in late. He seems pretty hesitant, and doesn’t seem to have a great touch. Rather have stanzi than daniels.
Please...
Chase Daniel being anything ala Rodgers is ridiculous! If you want a backup QB who might be able to lead a team to the SB, the choice is Matt Flynn! Yeah, I’m a Packer fan, not a Mizzou fan, but Flynn is a better QB in every way over Daniel, nothing against him, but its true. Flynn showed the NFL world what he is capable of. He’s a winner too, like Daniel. But has better NFL QB skills. ANd he will be a FA next year. Unless the Packers do the franchise tag/trade thing, which you would know well before the draft. Daniel was the product of a system that works very well in college, but doesn’t tranlate to the NFL. He doesn’t have the accuracy or arm skills to be an elite NFL QB… In My Opinion!
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Awesome....
Flynn is a player that would be a good conversation as well…I haven’t watched him in much preseason action this year, but I have read a few places that he looked nearly as good as Rodgers in practice….I think they are intentionally trying to get him a lot of reps in order to command a high value for him if someone goes down this year or if they franchise him and trade him next year (which I would do as well)…so he may be a little pricey…but a team may think he has more potential than Luck to be elite and pull the trigger….plus isn’t Harrel with them too?
Yeah
McCarthy is great when it comes to developing QB’s. Even before he got to the Packers he was known for it. He runs a QB school in the spring for his QB’s to work on everything related to NFL QB play. Mechanics, footwork, film study, everything under the sun. Rodgers and Flynn are products of his school. They have been thru it 5and 3 times respectively. Harrell missed this season due to the lockout. But he is looking like he is turning into a viable NFL backup QB and I have been among he biggest critic. But he is gradually winning me over… Flynn will not be a Packer next year. If he plays in a game or 2 this season again his price tag will go quite high. But you’ll be getting an NFL ready starting QB. Who would maybe need a year starting to gain the on-field experience. Just no denying, that any QB, needs to play a year before they are successful. Unless of course they have an elite D and very strong running game to lean on. Flynn is a guy who can make plays to win games. Manages the game well, but also a playmaker w/ his feet and passing skills.
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Stanzi
looks great enough for me. From what he did in college, to flashes he has shown in preseason, Stanzi looks like he has the potential and talent to be a great QB in the NFL. I just cant rave enough about his perfect touch on the ball. He throws short balls with zip and long balls with a perfect touch. Seems like he was a great leader and a great intangible guy at Iowa too.
I think Stanzi might be the man
The hard part is how will we ever know if Haley doesn’t allow him the same privilege of running the actual playbook that we see Cassel run. This brings up a completely different subject, but if Haley excuse away our offensive struggles by saying we haven’t schemed anyone yet and are just operating a vanilla offense, that not only hurts Cassel and his ability to get game speed rthym with his targets, but it also severely hampers the young backups like Stanzi from showcasing their abilities too.
Stanzi was a very good coolege QB and had the potential to be a good ro even very good NFL QB as well ...
but there is no way he starts coming right out of college and does anything but fail for a minimum of two years … he’s not an NFL-ready QB right now … if he was he’d have been gone long, long before whatever round we took him in
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I love me some Chase Daniel
I wish we’d taken him honestly. If Drew Brees has proven anything, its that an elite QB doesn’t have to be 7 ft tall. Daniel is following in his footsteps all the way. And I doubt the Saints let him go.
Matt Cassel isn’t elite. He never will be. But he’s done enough to warrant the position and we have to except that for now. On the flip side, I’m much more concerned about our backup’s status. I think sticking with Palko and not bringing in an able bodied Vet is a mistake. If Cassel goes down, we’re in trouble.
2011 hopefuls: Being competitive and whooping the holy poop out of the AFC West.
for all we know Haley might bring in Stanzi if Cassel goes down ...
whatever … if all we ask of Cassel is make a FEW good throws to his PRIMARY read (whichever guy that is) and hand it off the rest of the time (IOW what he did last year) we’re golden … and let’s face it: on a good day Palko can hand off to Charles … now that he’s had a year to practice
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Good point
but I wouldn’t’ve have minded having Kerry Collins backing us up over Palko. Watching him throw is like watching Reggie Miller shoot the Three. Painful. Only Reggie was really good and Palko…not so much.
2011 hopefuls: Being competitive and whooping the holy poop out of the AFC West.
I disagree shotty, I think we may have a decent QB in Palko. He engineered more touchdown drives in the preseason than Cassell did. That is for sure
The Chiefs had the 29th ranked passing game in the league last year.
It doesn't matter if our QB has a good TD/INT ratio.
so? it's preseason ... translation: it's not real
He engineered more touchdown drives in the preseason than Cassel did
everything you see right now is a mirage, hallucination, pretend … none of it means one single thing … take everything that’s happened for all 32 teams, add what happens this coming weekend, bundle it all up and send it to the bottom of the ocean where it belongs because it’s garbage, total meaningless garbage
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A game manager will never "win" a championship for you.
Look back through history at game managers who have been starters for championship teams:
Eli Manning
Trent Dilfer
Rob Johnson
Mark Rypien
Jeff Hostetler
Doug Williams
Jim McMahon
None of these QBs have been elite, but they have all been good enough to keep their teams competitive while some other, dominant, facet of the team was able to take over. How many of those QBs had amazing defenses? Manning, Dilfer, Johnson, Hostetler, McMahon.
The Chiefs do not have another facet of the team that is so dominating to allow Cassel to manage us to a Super Bowl. I like Cassel, and I’m not saying he can’t get to the next level, but he certainly isn’t there yet. With our current roster, unless something completely unpredictable were to happen, is not a championship roster.
A 1st rd QB could very well be a consideration for this team within the next couple of seasons. Time will tell, and perhaps Cassel, our defense, or running game will take the next step to being dominant, but until that happens, we will be on the outside looking in.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Dominant defense + solid running game makes a game manager work.
I absolutely agree with nearly everything you say here, I just draw the exact opposite conclusion.
With our current roster, unless something completely unpredictable were to happen, is not a championship roster.
-What if Tyson Jackson starts playing like the late-first round talent that he is?
-What if Derrick Johnson hangs on to a few more picks, creating the turnovers that win us games we shouldn’t?
-What if Justin Houston wins the SOLB starting job sooner rather than later, putting opposing QBs between a rock and hard place?
-What if Todd Haley keeps ignoring the pundits and limits Jamaal Charles’ carries, keeping him explosive into his early 30s?
-What if Eric Berry gets even better?
-What if Jared Gaither, Ryan Lilja, Rodney Hudson, Jon Asamoah and Branden Albert are your starting o-line for the next 5 years?
-What if defenses can’t roll coverage to Bowe on 3rd down, because they have to respect Baldwin, Moeaki, Breaston and Charles?
-What if Le’Ron McClain’s dreams come true and he becomes Mr. Clutch on third-and-short and inside the 5?
Not all of those unpredictable events will come to pass, but a few of them will.
by Aesthetist on Aug 31, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True fans and unloyal fans = BS
I hate it when people say that kind of shit. Same as when King Carl said the real fans buy the tickets to the stadium. So basically you lost me in the first paragraph of the post.
A fan is a fan. Questioning their loyalty or if they are true fans is just dumb. Maybe they are jerks if they want to see Cassel hurt but that doesn’t make them less of a fan or unloyal just makes them bad people. Humans should be repulsed by that kind of thinking, not the “true fan.”
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