Rams Vs. Chiefs: Five Bad Stats
by Joel Thorman on Aug 27, 2011 1:01 PM CDT
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The Kansas City Chiefs lost to the St. Louis Rams on Friday night, 14-0, and gave up the Governor's Cup to the wrong side of Missouri.
We've already looked at five good stats from the game so here's a look at five bad stats (and there were more than five).
14-0. That was the score after the Rams first two possessions against the Chiefs first team defense. We say preseason doesn't mean much -- and it really doesn't -- but this was first team vs. first team and the Chiefs came away losers. The defense looked weak giving up 127 rushing yards to RB Steven Jackson and RB Cadillac Williams while QB Sam Bradford completed his first eight passes of the game.
2. Number of Jackie Battle fumbles. One of these was overturned so officially it was just one fumble but still, that's not a good look for Battle. He's the third running back and with the addition of Le'Ron McClain and Dexter McCluster to the backfield this year, carries were going to be hard to come by anyway. Add in two fumbles and Battle's definitely on the roster bubble.
58. Total Chiefs rushing yards. I know it's just the preseason but the running game is the Chiefs bread and butter. Battle averaged just 3.3 yards carrying the ball 13 times for 43 yards. Now, Jamaal Charles carried it just twice so this is in no way a reflection of how the Chiefs will play in the regular season but it's still disappointing to see a weak rushing performance like this.
3. Number of holding penalties for Barry Richardson. Ugh. We knew the right tackle spot was perhaps the biggest weak spot on the offensive line and Richardson made things worse with three penalties. That's just unacceptable. There's no other way to put it.
3-of-14. Chiefs third down conversion rate. It seems like this has been a problem for years so I'm pretty much immune to the poor third down conversions.
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You know if Haley actually cared about Pre-Season I would be more concerned by these stat lines
But he doesn’t so I won’t be.
B-Rich needs to get his head out of his ass before the regular season though, otherwise he’s gonna be out of a job.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
if you're so unconcerned, why are you "calling out" Richardson?
remember too that he doesn’t have Lilja next to him any more …
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Thank you for pointing that out
Although I’m not gonna excuse BRich’s performance, I did wonder how much it hurt having a rookie center playing next to him instead of savvy veteran Lilja
You can't spell Power without Powe.
Asamoah has looked good
and they didn’t cause him to hold last night….or last year.
It wasn't asamoah
It was rodney hudson next to brich.
You can't spell Power without Powe.
by Sudden on Aug 27, 2011 2:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Asamoah is the Right Guard now
Hudson was in for Lilja, left guard, last night.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 27, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh I'm only calling him out
Because that’s a recurring thing for him.
For being beaten so horribly we really only lost by 4. So again not really concerned at all.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 27, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You got it all backwards though
You shouldn’t pay any attention to the score of a preseason game. But how the first vs first looks is a reasonable barometer for where you’re at. Granted, we weren’t exactly gameplanning, but I’m still disappointed where the team is at.
You can't spell Power without Powe.
Again its only preseason
I was disappointed with how we looked last year at an individual basis and we won 10 games.
This is the time where mistakes are okay to make, because they don’t matter for winning games and you can go over tape to try and fix them. I’d rather these holding calls and bad play happen now, then in the Regular season
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 27, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I going to stand up and say that you are barking on a dead horse.
People want to blame B Rich for the OL problems when in fact last year he played pretty decent concerning he has only been playing in spots for the previous 2 years and had little experience.
If Albert was a FA signing and not a 1st round choice I am guessing most of the people bitching about B Rich would be saying the same thing and complaining about Albert.
Brian Waters had to play in Europe before getting a chance to play full time and 4 years later turned into a pro bowler.
Weigmann was cut by the Bears after his 1st 3 years and look where one would grade his career out.
Lilja is someone that is not a pro bowler but because he won 2 Super Bowl in Indy the fans in KC treat him like he is one,
Yes 3 holding penalties is any game is unacceptable.
If he continues making these type of mental errors -yes he then needs to fighting for his job but PLEASE STOP— thinking that B Rich is such a poor OL and he is the cause and effect of the problems with the line play. Give the guy a break—he could your the Chiefs next pro bowl OL. His chances are just as great anyone else on this OL.
by NFL season ticket holder on Aug 27, 2011 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep. Exactly.
Fumbles and holding calls by vets are perfectly acceptable “because it’s preseason”. Not. I understand saying that about the rushing yards and three and outs, even the two TDs.
Though I also understand when people see poor three and outs they get panicked, because as Joel said, this has been a problem for years.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 27, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
have to disagree, Stevie ...
if the lack of rushing yardage and minimal (at best) production from Cassel isn’t an “issue” because it’s preseason, then the same goes for the holding calls, esp given he has a (virtual) rookie lined up next to him and there’s been little no help given on that side (see Bewsaf’s thread for further discussion)
my point? it’s ALL preseason stuff …
… and I find it odd that most of the bloggers and comments have ignored the defense getting beat and beat again
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I can agree with this
B-Rich’s holding calls don’t matter in the Pre-Season, which is why I said he needs to get his head out of his ass before the regular season.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 27, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Now now.
I did not say it wasn’t true for those, I just said I can at least understand why someone else would say that.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 27, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say I agree with it, because I don't.
And I think that Lewis made a huge mistake on the wide open TD last night. And I dont see that as a “not scheming” issue. It was a mistake; poor decision.
And my point: it’s not all just preseason stuff.
We had problems with three and outs & giving up three and outs during last year’s preseason, regular season and post season. Having the exact same problem in this year’s season. That should cause concern and caution. Not jump off a cliff panic, but definitely concern.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 27, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Edit:
Should read "and giving up first downs on third down, especially third and long.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 27, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope gaither
Is ready to play with the first team as richardson just played his way off
by golfbard on Aug 27, 2011 1:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
if we cant play
Well now how are we going to play week one. Preseason or not this is our first group getting dealt with three straight weeks. With our schedule we don’t have any room for errors. I hate to say it but does anyone really think cassel can lead this team to a win? Look for a long season
by KCman66 on Aug 27, 2011 1:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Sadly...I'm as Immune to Poor Offensive Line Play as I am 3rd Down Conversion Stats
An Un – Addressed need since the final days of The Vermiel Era…WTF ?!!!…
You mean Richardson hasn't been cut yet?
It’s 2:15 PM (ET) the day after the Rams game, what’s going on.
Any one else concerned about our offense this year? Haley is going to have to work some magic for our offense to have a chance.
#1 We are not cutting Bowe for Fitz. Bowe grew up in Kc. He is Haley's work. Also he will be loads cheaper than Fitz. He is a homegrown K.C. product. He stays. #2 Flowers and Carr are both staying.
Anyone know why Lilja didn't play?
by bossmanham on Aug 27, 2011 1:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think
It’s the same reason why Flowers didn’t play, or why Gilberry hasn’t played. They are getting guys in there for more snaps. Haley wanted to see Arenas against first team WR, Bailey as base DE, and Hudson time at G and C.
Yeah yeah preseason meaningless but...
I was not expecting a win last night. I was expecting our first team to keep it a game. Jackson runs all over us, then we go 3 and out. Our defense moved like zombies compared to the Rams! I hate to say it…getting 2009 flashbacks.
Thanks Joel!
For stopping at 5….
You Play to Win the game!!!
by Wichita Chief on Aug 27, 2011 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
ha ha^ that rec'd....my sides are hurting a little
#1 We are not cutting Bowe for Fitz. Bowe grew up in Kc. He is Haley's work. Also he will be loads cheaper than Fitz. He is a homegrown K.C. product. He stays. #2 Flowers and Carr are both staying.
I have a theory about our team
I think we have a great group of core talent that is on it’s way to being solid contenders year in and year out. However…. I think last years cake schedule fooled us about where we are really at.
We played ball control offense and focused on not making any mistakes. We beat inferior teams last year with discipline, good coaching, and young talent. Cassell went to the pro bowl, sure….after leading the league’s 29th rated passing offense.
We are going to be good, and I am not downing us. I just think that maybe last year gave us the impression that we are ahead of where we think we are. We lost to almost every winning team we played last year. I think we may be brought down a couple notches this year.
#1 We are not cutting Bowe for Fitz. Bowe grew up in Kc. He is Haley's work. Also he will be loads cheaper than Fitz. He is a homegrown K.C. product. He stays. #2 Flowers and Carr are both staying.
Jumping to conclusions in the pre-season is always fun
I did the same thing last year, I thought we were another 4 win team even with the “easy” schedule as did most people in the NFL.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 27, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
we think we are ahead of where we really are*
#1 We are not cutting Bowe for Fitz. Bowe grew up in Kc. He is Haley's work. Also he will be loads cheaper than Fitz. He is a homegrown K.C. product. He stays. #2 Flowers and Carr are both staying.
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11-5
by i'minCostaRicachiefsfan on Aug 27, 2011 2:16 PM CDT reply actions
Doesn't matter if it's preseason or not
If you have lineman that can’t protect the passer, that kinda spells bad things for the regular season.
#1 We are not cutting Bowe for Fitz. Bowe grew up in Kc. He is Haley's work. Also he will be loads cheaper than Fitz. He is a homegrown K.C. product. He stays. #2 Flowers and Carr are both staying.
Except its preseason
So spells nothing for the regular season
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 27, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
yes it does
If u can’t block now what makes u think u can in regular season?
by KCman66 on Aug 27, 2011 2:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What makes you think we can't?
Its just pre-season, not the regular season.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 27, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
do u think?
Were pretending to suck at blocking just because its preseason?
by KCman66 on Aug 27, 2011 3:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes
They are working on Cassel’s ability to make reads and throw passes while being slammed to the ground by defensive ends and OLBs.
The holds are nothing to worry about either. The Chiefs have a special agreement with the NFL Refs Union, we are demonstrating a variety of holding techniques for the refs so they are better prepared to make those calls in the regular season.
This info is legit, I promise.
Predictions:
KC will be a Superbowl favorite in 2012
Gaither better be ready to strap up this year or it's going to suck for us
The offense I don’t care about their performance, the Rams game planned for us and we were just running plays we wanted to see. But that’s no excuse for Richardson to be as bad as he was. Battle too, I don’t care how many people you’re running against you protect that ball.
BOOM!
Not defending Battle at all...
’cuz Lord knows he is going to need a band-aid when Haley cuts his ass. That said, it seemed like every defender tackling him tried to rip the ball out. It was not the normal tackle the man and as you fall to the ground, go for the strip. They were raping him trying to get that ball out. Even still, as a vet and a member of the Haley “protection squad,” he should have protected it better.
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by kcchiefsfan72 on Aug 27, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
LUCK!
I honestly believe that with our roster, if we had a legit franchise QB, we could be a playoff team for the next 10 years
BOOM!
Oh no question
I think we’re like the Buccaneers, very young, a good core of players. Only they have a borderline top 10 QB and we don’t.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 27, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you on the bandwagon yet??
I told you guys that the chiefs run defense is pathetic and i got drilled every which way possible. What has KC big free agent signings done so far??? I’m going to stay critical until things change and so far nothing in pre-season has changed my mind. I’m tired of the can’t wait til next year or wait til it really counts attitude. Dream on if you think this team can flip a switch.
enough = nothing.
Mims is OL, not DL. And he’s not very good at that either. He’s a project, just like that guy from Mexico two years ago. Prqctice squad at best. He’s not Powe, who IS showing up.
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by Falcon58 on Aug 27, 2011 2:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, and Mims will let you know when you can laugh at it
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by kcchiefsfan72 on Aug 27, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
gregg and jackson were good last night
Watching the film shows you how bad Studebaker was last night.
Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.
-Abraham Lincoln
by BJ Kissel on Aug 27, 2011 6:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
8 - penalties for 55 yds.
8 costly penalties. Not just commenting on the the shear number but the timing was extremely disruptive. I was hoping for sharp execution and rhythm on offense. Instead we get physically manhandled and exhibit a lack of situational awareness on both sides of the ball.
They did seem eager. Eager to fall for fakes. Eager to be drawn off sides. Eager to hold when beaten. We did not see a smart alert well disciplined team on Friday night. I think its there. We just have not seen the right combination of guys yet.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
The running game wasn't bad
The final score of the game should of been 17-14 Chiefs, if you think about it. Remember when Charles scored on the 10 yard run, but it was called back on a bogus call that prolly wouldn’t be called in the regular season (hopefully). Charles looked like he wasn’t going to be stopped in his pursuit for the end zone, I think he wants more td’s this year to prove a point.
If you go by the starting units
I think the final score maybe should have been 28-0 Rams.
Predictions:
KC will be a Superbowl favorite in 2012
time for justin houston?
Stude was getting destroyed by the rams o-line. Houston had his moments but he never let jackson run to the outside of him
I have to agree -
Houston should be our starting SOLB.
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by chiefsfan62 on Aug 28, 2011 1:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Remember
No Ryan Lilja in this game
by Supersexy on Aug 28, 2011 5:07 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
OL is big concern
if ol line keeps this up, we will be going through QB’s this year. On defense, we gave up big running plays when we had them stopped up the middle and they was able to bounce to the outside where we had no1 at home out there. Ploblem that needs to be address. yes this is preseson and we have 1 game left. lots of work to be done in short time.
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