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Chiefs Developmental Players: When to Say When

Preseason is always an interesting time for me as I love to speculate on who is going to make our Kansas City Chiefs team. It is amazing how different we all can feel about where in their NFL journey a certain player is. Is he an up-and-comer? Or has his chance to make the team passed him by? For most of us, we can only guess how Hayley and Pioli evaluate the players, but there seems to be certain attributes that these guys must bring to the field. I believe these to be a team first attitude, size, speed, football IQ, ability to play multiple positions, leadership, heart, toughness, talent, and lastly, potential. Can the player get better? Or is it time to move on?

Star-divide

There seems to be a collective thought on AP regarding the philosophy of letting go of players one year too soon rather than one year too late. While that is not always the way it works out, I think it is a good rule of thumb. Pioli has to look at each of our players and decide whether they stay or go. For the most part, you can almost never give up on a rookie. You drafted them for a reason, and typically they need a year or two to "figure it out". So, unless your scouting department really got it wrong, they will always be trending up. This year’s group is no exception. It is from the second and third year players, along with some older vets, who typically make up the special team units. These guys have to work their tails off to make the team, and this is where we find some of the most interesting roster battles.

 

But how do you know that a player is a few quarters away from having it "click"? Or if they are ever going to figure it out (Ryan Sims anyone)?

 

Here are some developmental players and where I think they stand:

  1. Jackie Battle - 3rd year player who has some fans. I have to say, early on I rooted whole heartedly for this guy, but he seems to me to have reached his ceiling. Though I love the fact that he is a big back, and has some special teams value, I don’t think we will keep him if they can find another runner with better open field speed. He doesn’t have the burst to do much more than grind out 5 yards, and frankly, we now have McClain to do that. Besides, it is time to start looking for a replacement for TJ. Remember, I am trying to know "when to say when", and for me, it is time to let Battle go. If we cannot find a better developmental back that is cut during the final roster cuts, then he probably sticks.

  2. Pierre Walters – It impressed me a lot that #97 managed to stick around the roster last year as an undrafted Free Agent, but our overall talent level may be making it harder for guys like Pierre to hang on. We all know that Hali, Studebaker, and Houston will make the team. No doubt. I would also bet money that Sheffield has shown enough to make it. So it comes down to Gabe Miller or Walters (or neither). As valuable as OLBs are, I think you probably carry as many as you can on the roster. But if I had to choose, I would take Miller. Walters looks like an NFL linebacker, but he hasn't really played like one. While Miller, in limited action, shows some nice size and speed for this role. He seems to be the definiton of a good "Developmental Player". Also, I think it is obvious that one of Pioli’s main goals when he came here was to find better athletes to put on the roster, and Miller is one of those guys.
  3. Donald Washington – Love him or hate him, he is one of the more physically gifted guys on the roster, and personally I see a lot of drive in the way he plays the game. He is still listed on the Chiefs website as S/CB, which we know that Pioli just loves. I love his special teams play, but he has looked lost out there in coverage. The safety spot is one of the most competitive battles in all of camp, so I would not be surprised if they cut him. But I think he sticks, for one more year at least. Other guys in the mix at safety are Sabby Piscitelli, Reshard Langford, John McGraw, Ricky Price, and Javes Lewis. Haley said McGraw was a frontrunner, so I would think Langford and Washington round out the safeties. Piscitelli could surprise (no, seriously, the coaches seem to like him).

  4. Quentin Lawrence – The Q himself. Or Mr. Versatility if you would rather. So versatile in fact, I am pretty sure that during timeouts he was passing out Gatorade. If you can make an NFL roster on how many different positions you can play, I would put him on there. But unfortunately, he might actually have to be really good at one. He has flashed, but can he displace someone with more experience at the position like a Travis Daniels? Once again, here is a guy that increases our overall team speed, and so I think he has an excellent chance.

  5. Bobby Greenwood – Like Q, he has made an impressive positional change and in many ways looks like he has some promise. Unfortunately, O line is tough to play even for guys who have done it their whole career, so I would say the deck is stacked against him. I am going to say he falls short, but you still gotta root for the guy!

  6. David Mims – Big, and I mean big developmental O tackle. Mims looks as raw as raw can be. I am not sure how much I can surmise from watching the last game, but Butch Lewis seems to be the second team LT, so my guess is Mims is Practice Squad or bust. If Gaither can complete a practice, he also may push Mims off the roster.What is fascinating about Mims (besides some of the funniest comments I have ever seen on AP), is that based on potential alone, he may be one of the most talented undrafted free agents the Chiefs have ever signed. If this guy ever makes a name for himself in the NFL, then Pioli is truly a Super Genius. Good players always make you look smarter.

  7. Veran Tucker/Jeremy Horne - With the addition of Breaston, and the return of Urban, our Wide Receiver corp is suddenly way more crowded than it was last year. Copper is also a very valuable special teamer who seems to be a "Haley Guy". Where does that leave these two second year players? More than likely on the outside looking in. Unless the Chiefs keep 6 WRs, one of them would have to unseat a wiley veteran like Copper. I don't see that happening, this year.

  8. Dion Gales - First off, does anybody have a good nickname for this guy? I like "Big Trunk", mainly because it rhymes with so many things, but also because this guy has a serious base. How anybody could push him off the line is beyond me. His main problem is that he is unlikely to unseat the DEs in front of him. The addition of Allen Bailey likely keeps him off the 53. That, and there is another undrafted rookie DE who I like better. Brandon Bair could be our new developmental 5 technique DE. At the very least I hope we can hide him on the Practice Squad.

The best part of watching this roster change over the last few seasons, is how much deeper we seem to be. Pioli truly does seem to have a good eye for who "may" become a good NFL player. The hardest part for me is being patient enough to wait and see if they do it.  Look at someone like Gilberry, and how he has matured and become a solid pass rushing DE. Studebaker is a developmental player that should get his chance to start if he can hold off Houston, and Darryl Harris is a practice squad guy who may be the first OG off the bench. As a Chiefs fan, I want us to field the best damn roster in the NFL, but as a football player at heart, I want all these young, unheralded guys to just flat out "make it".  Good luck fellas.

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Dion Gales

Not PS eligible. This is his 3rd year. He was on PS on parts of the last two years.

He has been 2nd string DE behind TJ this preseason so far. He has been doing a good job so far. I love this guy and I hope he makes the 53….I think he will.

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Aug 25, 2011 9:50 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Uh, sorry Matt

I meant that I hope we can keep Bair on the PS. I can tell you are a fan of Gales. They are definitely giving Gales a great chance to make the squad just by looking at the reps they have been giving him.

by TheQ on Aug 25, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes he is,

per Wikipedia …a player cannot participate on the practice squad for more than three seasons

This will be Gales third year so he is eligible. Same for Bobby Greenwood and Quentin Lawrence.

by ICTChief on Aug 26, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really...

I thought it was two…my bad

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Aug 26, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno, Matt.

They certainly gave him lots of reps, tonight. He just seems out of it. Good looking player, covers some field. But does he have a clue what’s going on after the snap? He’s playing bigger and faster than I’ve ever seen him play, but is he putting it to good purpose? I just dunno.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 27, 2011 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for good reading

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Aug 25, 2011 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I used to be a fan of Battle

because how he used to fight for yards, he used to run so hard. And Battle is a pretty beastly name for a chief. Two seasons ago, he and Savage(another beastly chief name) were real impressive because of their work ethic. Battle showed a lot of promise LAST preseason but with the NFL being a “What Have You Done For Me Lately” league, I don’t know what his deal is this year. I don’t see him running hard and being physical like he used to and he’s fumbling the ball and everything. So far instead of taking two steps forward to eventually take TJ’s spot, he took two steps back with what he’s shown this preseason. I think we should see Bannon take some snaps at RB and give him a better opportunity to make the team and replace Battle..

by kc_Chiefs_31 on Aug 26, 2011 12:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Me too

Now, I just feel that even if Thomas Jones contributes a lot this season, it is unlikely that he can keep helping Jamaal forever, so I would like to see us pick up a guy who is more likely to split carries with Charles. Battle seems like a special teamer and a guy that would only come in because of injury or in mop up duty.

by TheQ on Aug 26, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Has Battle only been around for 3 years?

Feels like so much longer…either way I’d like him off the team. He doesn’t get a lot of snaps in the first place, and I’m sure that if JC or TJ got hurt, Battle wouldn’t be able to carry the load. Powerful runner, but no real acceleration or burst. I’m sure there’s another FA out there that we can sign.

I really like Horn and Tucker, but I don’t see them making the roster. Tucker impressed me when he had playing time last season,and Horne is always that guy we root for because he’s playing against the odds of making the team. I just think we’re too deep at receiver for them.

Also, Haley has given Q every chance to make this roster, and I still don’t see him doing it. He’s not a good receiver, he’s not a good return man, and he is too much of an experiment at CB for us to keep him there.

by SoCalChief17 on Aug 26, 2011 1:41 AM CDT reply actions  

I think so

got that off the Mothership, but now that you mention it, it seems we picked him up at the end of Herm’s last season?

Of the two, I think Tucker has the greater chance of making the roster. Even if Horn or Tucker are not PS eligible, I think one or two of the other rookie free agents make it on the PS for WR depth. Marksheusen (sp?), and who else? I thought this was the deepest set of receivers we have had at camp in forever.

One thing you can say about Lawrence, is that they must believe in him to give him so many chances.

by TheQ on Aug 26, 2011 8:43 AM CDT reply actions  

good idea for the post, rec'd

I think there are a LOT of developmental players on this team to be excited about.

my favorites:
Cory Greenwood: already a roster lock for ST, looks like he’s ready to play some defense, too

Micah Johnson: I thought he looked VERY solid in the Tampa Bay game, I hope to see him blowing up some Rams tonight
Q Lawrence: considering he’s a long shot for the roster, and a quick position change doesn’t help… he really does look like a CB to me, and I’ve been impressed with his willingness to hit and tackle. I think he’s likely on the roster, but a game day inactive

Tucker: I think he’s pretty much a roster lock as well, and he’s showing why

I think Walters is gone, a victim of a now-talented position group
Bobby Greenwood is gone, unless he can still be on the PS

I think you could make a case for Gales, but it’s a tough numbers game on the DL this year, so I think I’d be surpised if Gales makes it

I think Washington and Langford make the roster as ST players and backup Safeties, and I’m OK with that.

Mims is the very definition of a practice squad player.

by stagdsp on Aug 26, 2011 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks Stag

Your awesome post the other day got me excited about what was going on with the roster. Until there was AP (Is that B.C. (Before Chris?), I never had as much info to learn about the non-starters on the team. Now, I am completely vested in how they do, and where they are going.

I almost wrote about Greenwood, but I too think he is a lock. His ceiling is still to be realized. If he can learn “American” football, he may get some game reps at ILB.. Johnson is just a guy that I want on the team. He could help out in goal line situations, I think.

Sometimes you have to read between the lines during the preseason, and if Lawrence doesn’t make it, it won’t be because they haven’t given him enough chances.
 
I am curious how long the starters will play tonight? And how many reps these guys will get?

by TheQ on Aug 26, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

I agree that Lawrence is being given EVERY opportunity to make the team… and he has from day ONE… I think there’s something Haley loves about him, and there’s a decent chance Lawrence could be the #53 man on the roster again this year.

by stagdsp on Aug 26, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

When the Chiefs go to their 2-minute

run-and-shoot, I mean, shoot-and-shoot offense, flinging McCluster wide, that’s a lotta WRs out there. Lawrence can be a scary jackrabbit to throw at defenses. I think it’s an ace Haley wants to play every now and then, and he’s good insurance against guys going down. By carrying the utility guy with speed, they can run the legs off ’most any secondary they choose, if they decide to go that route, and just play Pennsylvania street ball.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 27, 2011 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

speed kills

Even if I don"t know what Pennsylvania street ball is?! :)

by TheQ on Aug 27, 2011 11:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd guess the starters may play a full half, and potentially a series or two into the 3rd.

3rd preseason game usually sees the most play time from the 1’s.

final game will barely see them at all, to have them rested up / recovering from any dings / etc before the first real game.

unless haywire haley goes in a completely different direction.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Aug 26, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ha. Haywire.

With cuts on the 30th, some of these players may be too late to state their case if they don’t get reps tonight.

by TheQ on Aug 26, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

They've gotten so many depth reps in the first two games

Plus the “extra practices” – I think they have a pretty good grasp on who’s making the first cut, and probably the second cut by now.

Everything else from here out is just fine tuning, I think.

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.

by TRSChief on Aug 26, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

The first game gave them a ton of work, and they looked bad. But the second team guys showed a lot of heart last week against Baltimore. I think that playoff loss to them stung more than they let on. A lot of guys seemed a little fired up for that game.

by TheQ on Aug 26, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure of that, TRS.

Some of the guys, like Gales, may have gotten some seniority-based extra looks, but don’t be surprised if a latecomer FA knocks some of these sentimental favorites off the bottom of the roster. Gales, Walters, these guys are about at the end of their rope.

In Game 4, I’m halfway expecting to see Houston or Sheffield end up starting and one of those two starting Game 1 of regulation. The tempo is much higher when one of those guys is in a spot frequented by Studie. I think Houston and Sheffield both bring a dash of Clay Matthews to the defense, that is noticeably more dictatorial than with Studie in there. Some of it’s what they ask Studebaker to do, at times, sometimes lining up WAY down the field and just lurking there (He DOES have decent hands).

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 27, 2011 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

The position battles may be more up-in-the-air than we think.

While they DID jump on certain situations, for instance, sticking Cassel in there with the 4 or 5 wides, inside of 2 minutes, a lot of the calls on offense were NOT very situational. It almost looked like Game 2, where they couldn’t wait to go back on defense, and give RAC another grouping of LBs to look at.

Did you see the doubleteam pancake of Dorsey? I think that’s when they stuck #70 in at RDE.

Anybody notice Bailey crushing the pocket vertically?

Anybody notice the generally poor contain on Bradford? Smith-Edwards-Dorsey may not have gotten to the QB, but they didn’t leave much runnin’ room inside. Try and get around ‘em, and you probably could, but you’d have to take the long way around, and they could generally string it out long enough and far enough for help to arrive.

I don’t think the KPM was all that high for the front 3 of the Chiefs.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 27, 2011 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jackie Battle 3rd year player?

You do realize this will be his 5th season as a Chief? Time to cut the chord.

#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man

by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 26, 2011 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Pulled that from the roster

http://prod.www.chiefs.clubs.nfl.com/team/roster.html

It does seem like he has been around longer than that though. I agree that it is time to move on. There has to be somebody who has more potential out there. RBs just don’t have the same value that they used to, so that may cause some good ones to be sitting out there in a couple of weeks

by TheQ on Aug 26, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are right

I distinctly remember Battle being one of the guys Herm picked up. But yeah, after 5 years in the Big Show he should have beat somebody out.

by TheQ on Aug 26, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I kind of have the feeling,

maybe even hope, that these extra looks are his swan song as a Chief.

Nobody mentioned it, but Mike Cox looked very fluid on the catch out of the backfield. Seamless transition to YAC mode on the well-thrown ball that Thomas Jones might’ve dropped. I really think #42 sticks. He just does a consistently solid job of making the best of his limited opportunities.

This opens up some very interesting possibilities for running with a pair of big backs (#s 42 and 44) in the backfield. Pretty much forces the defense into a bigger personnel grouping, against which those outside flairs and wheel routes by the FBs can be devastating. You stretch ‘em thin on the coverage, because they have to keep hats in tight to plug up the middle. Playaction the LBs MUST bite on, and then catch ’em coming forward while a FB runs right past for the reception behind the LB. Whip-saw the safeties with that maneuver, too, because they bite, then they reverse field to cover and then you drop that short pass to the FB behind the LB and in front of the S. McClain and Cox can both do that, very well, imo. Then, of course, there’s the whole 500 lbs of man-flesh bearing down on you when one of ’em lead-blocks for the other.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 27, 2011 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trouble is, Palko's our best guy at dropping that ball right on the money and right on time.

He’ll leave his feet if he has to (and it seems he usually does), but he doesn’t get his darts batted down, like the taller Cassel seems to get.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 27, 2011 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cox has made the most of his opportunities

But the overall talent level might finally push him off the roster.

On a side note, thinking about guys on the bubble, i think Justin Cole did a good job making his case last night. I think they like him as a coverage backer in the nickel.

by TheQ on Aug 27, 2011 11:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

what I mean is guys like Cole

At other positions may be the one to ultimately push guys like Cox off the team.

by TheQ on Aug 27, 2011 11:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I disagree.

If Cole makes it, I don’t think it’ll be at the expense of #42. Just my opinion. No disrespect.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 27, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

none taken

And I haven’t a clue who the coaching staff likes better, but I just think Cole’s better speed would be more valuable on special teams, if it comes down to their special team ability in making the squad. If they keep two fullbacks, then I think they do keep Cox.

by TheQ on Aug 28, 2011 7:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes. And I think they DO want the 2 big-backs option.

McClain and Cox are EACH going to drag at least a LB with ‘em, because they’re very reliable and fluid receivers, and they WILL advance the ball. Oddly enough, sending the pair of backs in opposite directions can be something KC does with their big backs as well as their scat backs.

We NEED that pass to the runnning back as the ace in the hole against teams wanting to attack around the right tackle. This indirect help can do a lot to simplify things for Richardson/Albert/Gaither, whomever ends up over there on the right side.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 29, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am wondering who ends up over on the right side

I never thought I would say it, but if Gaither continues to play good, we may HAVE to try Albert on the right side.

That is how bad Richardson looked the other night. Now he could possibly get his act together, but either way, we need to start our two best tackles. Whoever they may be.

by TheQ on Aug 29, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup. Sometimes these things have a way of deciding themselves by the unfolding of events.

Especially with this outfit. They take forever to make a change, and then the guy who’s waiting in the wings gets thrust onto the field by an injury, and never surrenders the position. Stuff like that seems to happen. Seems like the incumbent enjoys a big advantage, and the incumbent is the guy who took the previous 10 snaps. There isn’t a guaranteed return to your old job, if you get hurt. When you get hurt on THIS team, you have to earn that spot back the hard way.

But I totally agree that they should put their best two tackles on the field, and I bet Albert would be a real beast of a right tackle, if it came to that. So would Gaither. And I think that whoEVER between them ends up playing RT, he will also be the designated swing tackle, in case of injury to the guy on the left side, leaving the Chiefs 2-deep in pro-grade left tackles. Their #3 tackle, Richardson, would be a real luxury for a #3, since he has a full 10-win season at right tackle.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 31, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Confidence BATTLE...

He has no confidence or determination in his step because he knows he will be cut. Our backfield is stacked. I think they will keep Cox at the cost of Jackie Battle…

I am pulling for Donald Washington, Veran Tucker, and Dion Gales…I hope Urban gets cut!!!

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by ChiefsatWar on Aug 26, 2011 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Cox would surprise me if he stays

Even though Bannon has not looked good. I think, for now, it will be Charles, Jones, McCluster, and McClain. Bannon to the PS. Possibly pick up a discarded RB from a team that is stacked like New Orleans after final cuts?

by TheQ on Aug 26, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

not a bad thought

that’s why the McClain pickup is such a good one… he can essentially free up a roster spot or two…

Last year, they carried 2 FBs, because both were average at best… and they carried Battle…

With McClain, you can have 1 active FB, and could drop Battle, giving McClain the short yardage carries

by stagdsp on Aug 26, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

And potentially opening another roster spot at a position that you have more depth. Safety, Linebacker, Wide Receiver.

Right now, who is the #54 ranked player on the roster? Quentin Lawrence, Demorrio Williams, Darryl Harris, or Veran Tucker? A couple of these guys will make it. They might try to carry someone who would not contribute right now just to protect him, like Mims maybe?

by TheQ on Aug 26, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mims?

no way. I think (some of us) we fans are unusually in love with him – sort of an inexplicable Al Davis love of his “measurables”. PS at best.

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Aug 26, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are probably correct

But guys with his physicals tools get swiped from practice squads all the time. If the Chiefs see something in him, that may be the only sure way of keeping him.

by TheQ on Aug 26, 2011 11:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

When you put it that way, TheQ, it looks like they ought to carry 5 RBs (plus Bannon to PS).

And I’ll go out on a limb only a fool would try, and say if they go with 4 RBs, maybe #20 is the one who goes, and #42 is the one who stays. This Baldwin thing might be a pissed-off Jones not liking the writing on the wall.

Nah. Bootless speculation, Mills. Go to bed, already.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 27, 2011 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

hard to see Jones getting cut

but then, you know that too!

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Aug 27, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he is on there for leadership

Hard to see him gone in favor of a second fullback. McClain makes that unnecessary. And I too think Battle is gone, so Jones has to stay in that event.

by TheQ on Aug 27, 2011 11:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think they'll keep him for his leadership.

But he DID drop 12 lbs when coach wanted to see him drop 10 lbs. We’ll see how much it helps his quickness.

But unless the telephoto is cheating my eyesight, Jones has already dropped a catchable pass. That’s something you just can’t have happening.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 27, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

i for one would b shocked

If they cut Jones. But stranger things have happened. Baldwin fight aside.

by TheQ on Aug 28, 2011 7:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

But the fact is, Jones is not your best pass-catching RB.

He’s made lots of catches and gained lots of yards doing it, but I don’t consider him a high % threat, that way. Yeah, he’ll do OK if he catches it, but there’s not much leeway for the QB. Just a dash of Tony Richardson in him, better squaring-up for it than securing it in stride and immediately making something off it.

And I’m not saying his drop numbers are bad, but I think it’s just one more thing that isn’t quite as good as you wish it were, when it’s crunch time. It’s a marginal thing, and it’s the sort of marginal thing that brought Ladainian to the Jets and Jones to the Chiefs, imo. He’s good. He’s tough. He’s just not great at anything, other than being exactly the same guy, every day, which counts for a lot.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 29, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I too think Jones' play is declining

But I don’t think they have another reliable option to spell Charles. You definitely can rely on what you get out of the guy.

by TheQ on Aug 29, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say he was declining. I was just saying he is what he is, and no apologies.

You block it up, and he’ll get you yards. Some of the nanometer-thin cracks at a light year’s distance, that Jamaal can shoot through, are beyond Jones. Dropping the pounds, he looks quicker than last year, but he can’t time-travel like Jamaal. And he doesn’t have outstanding catch-and-go quickness, and he’ll sometimes make a poor adjustment to the ball in the air. But you give him a good look and he’ll make the journeyman catch and make the journeyman advance.

And frankly, that’s pretty much what I want from RB, anyway. Maybe the quicker guy gets more snaps, but if the rock-solid guy like Jones can be productive, he’s the guy I prefer. On a solidly built team, with OL, WR and QB on the ball, Jones is plenty good.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 31, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Props for Jones:

In a playoff game, where very little went the way I wanted it to go, Jones got some nice 8-yard runs on 1st down. Of course, the KC offense really struggled to get the next two yards on two plays, but he actually hit some nice holes and ran strong.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 31, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec

Good post. I’ve definitely been thinking a lot more about the development of our younger guys recently than in years past. I think in the past I seemed to think that the coaching staff wasn’t going to get much more out a guy and what we saw is what we got.
I think, as you stated, our continued growth in quality players that fit our system gives us the luxury of entertaining these developmental type thoughts more.

by MaxSFBay on Aug 26, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Well said

I never felt like Carl P. thought much past the starters, and Herm was just beginning to rebuild a blown up roster. I am impressed how quickly Pioli has brought more talent in, especially with the money, draft picks, etc,. that he had to work with. But I think I am starting to realize that not all of your good players come from high draft choices, big dollar free agents, or trades. They can be a player with talent that learns how to be an NFL player. Maybe that is why we become so enamored every year with someone like a Andy Studebaker.

by TheQ on Aug 26, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will add another

Maybe this name has been left off with many having the feeling he is a lock

Tyler Palko.

I was stuck watching the Colts vs Packers with local tv struggling with getting the game on. When the Colts had the ball that Curtis Painter looked sharp. He was making all the throws & did it impressively. Maybe Palko is a year away from looking decent.

by backbone313 on Aug 27, 2011 12:47 AM CDT reply actions  

so

are saying to keep him or cut him?

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Aug 27, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say keep him.

I was thinking maybe a veteran QB would be brought in at some point, but I think they have bigger fish to fry than the QB position, right now. If anything, I like Palko’s instincts and quickness more than Cassel’s.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 27, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

He delivered the ball under pressure pretty convincingly.

It’s a quality in the QB I’ve been looking for, because of the way defenses seem to be able to put the bum’s rush on Cassel and make the offense fizzle with pressure. I see Baldwin as an attempt to cure this from the receiver end, and maybe it’ll help, but Palko actually seems able to make up for the situations he’s in, finding the guy the defense thinks they can get away with ignoring.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 27, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

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