Please Read: Community Guidelines Circa 2009
This was originally published on April 21, 2009. I feel like the spirit of these guidelines has not changed in the last two years, so please everyone take a read and make a comment. This includes new readers, long time readers and every one in between.
Note: Numbers left in from two years ago because they are funny now.
In the last couple of weeks, we've seen a huge surge in the number of visitors, comments, FanPosts and FanShots at Arrowhead Pride. This is a combination of a lot of new readers and commenters coming to us via Yahoo! Sports and SI.com. Our previous record for traffic in a month was about 91,000 visitors in October '08. In January and February alone of '09, we've had over 450,000 visitors. Plus another 73,000 already 363,000 in March.
We're blowing up like the Chiefs 2007 roster.
Long story short, we have a lot of new commenters who need to be acclimated to our community. Below are some tech tips mixed in with some things that are make our community hum.
Please add in your own thoughts in the comment section.
Commenting Features
Okay. So you've registered for an account and now you're ready to really dive and maybe even start commenting yourself. Let me mention our comment quick keys here as well, which are really cool if you get into using them.
Press C to tab through new comments, Shift-C to tab backwards, X to mark a comment as read, and Shift-A to mark all read. Z will simultaneously mark and tab forward, and R will reply to the comment that has focus.
If you're going to respond to a particular comment by another user, you'll want to hit "reply" underneath that comment instead of just posting from the main box. That way, the conversation will be much more organized.
Community rules
As far as etiquette goes, I think we are more polite than your "average" message board (I hate saying that because there isn't really an average board but I think people know what I mean).
Cursing has its place, especially on game day in the open threads. But keep it limited if you can. Search the site for those words to see how often they've been used. Less than I thought I have to say.
The main requirement we have is no insults of any kind. Choose to ignore someone rather than insult them. If you think something may be an insult before you post it, don't do it.
When you signed up for an account at Arrowhead Pride, you agreed to not insult any other commenter. Nothing will kill your credibility or the mood of the thread faster than that. Don't roll in here and type "thats the stupidest idea i've ever read lol you moron." Effort is key here in the comment section. If you don't want to make that effort, there are plenty of other place you can go to talk about the Chiefs.
You'll be warned once, then twice, then banned if necessary. We've had less than 5 bans in the two and a half years of this blog so it's something that doesn't happen often. Lately though, I've been tempted more than ever to ban a few people who flipped out in a post within days of signing up for their accounts. Remember- this is a sports blog. Take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard if you are genuinely angry at a comment on here.
The "regulars" around here enjoy some leniency because they've shown over time to be respectful and intelligent commenters. Over time, you'll notice who they are and pick up on the vibe they and AP generate.
Keep your comments intelligent and you'll be welcome with a vigorous and respectful debate.
Writing your own FanPosts
So you've made a few comments, now you're ready to do your first FanPost. Here are a few tips. Make the topic interesting. Put some thought into what you're writing. We have a character minimum (300 I think) which means that you can't just throw out one line (unless it's really long). You'll be rewarded with a good stream of comments if you make the effort to proofread and fill it with good info.
Do not post entire articles from other sites. A link, which is always necessary to any article mention, and a snippet of the article is the max you can do. We can get in trouble for reposting entire pieces. Always link to an article or source you mention. Like I said above. It's part etiquette and part requirement.
Entertain questions from commenters and follow on what they say. Defend your new turf with vigor but while still following our commenting guidelines.
Utilize the formatting buttons above the text box. Use paragraphs. The quotes are for highlighting text and converting to a nice shaded background blockquote. The picture frame is for images, which are always nice.
Never write a FanPost or comment in ALL CAPS or without formatting paragraphs. You may have just written a great post but if it's a huge block of text with no formatting, nobody is going to read it.
Finally, once you're writing a FanPost, you'll see Show Editor Help on the bottom left of the text box. Click that and up pops a great users guide that goes into much more depth than I am now.
Here are a few more tips about FanPosts:
- Browse the FanPosts already written to see if you are covering a topic that's already been posted about. Do your best not to duplicate topics in the FanPosts. Unless you have a unique angle on the subject, join in the current conversation on another post.
- Try harder than "Here are 8 one liners about what I think about the Chiefs" without any thought or analysis behind them. You'll generate more conversation and it will benefit everyone. How else are we supposed to kill time at work?
- Utilize the "Rec" feature which is on every front page post, FanPost and FanShot right above the begining of the comments. If you like what you're reading, hit the "Rec" button. Once that FanPost or FanShot goes over a certain number of recs (which we can change at any time) it moves in to the "Recommended" section.That way, the best posts don't get lost in the shuffle.
- Before you post, check over your writing for typos and other errors. If you use the browser Firefox, there are add ons you can get that will put a red line under misspelled words, making it really easy to pick out typos.
FanShots
Basically, FanShots are quotes, video, pictures or snippets of chats that are posted via a bookmarklet. If you don't have the bookmarklet installed, it's really easy. Click here and drag the link to your bookmark section.
Then, let's say you found a cool Chiefs YouTube video. You go to the YouTube page of the video you want, click the bookmark link you just made in your browser and a window will pop up.
You'll see that the bookmarklet automatically grabs the code for the YouTube Video and allows you to send it to Arrowhead Pride, in the upper right hand corner. It does the same for pictures.
If you want to do a quote FanShot, simply highlight the text you want on the page you want it from, and click the bookmarklet. It will automatically fill in the link information and you can send it on to Arrowhead Pride.
Here are few more points about FanShots:
- Use FanShots for breaking news and make sure you quote the most relevant section of the article you're linking.
- If you have a thought that doesn't meet the 75 word minimum of a FanPost, put it in a FanShot.
- Click here right now and take two seconds to drag the FanShot bookmarklet to your browser's favorties. Once you do that, you'll begin using the feature a lot more.
In conclusion
Have fun on here. I liken this place to an online sports bar, where you come in, see who all is around, and start talking about the Kansas City Chiefs. No insults, no pressure. Just Chiefs fans talking about the team they love.
Have fun. Read. Comment. Dream about a Chiefs Super Bowl with the rest of us.
GOOOOOOOO CHIEFS!!!!
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Traffic is at an all time high
I tweeted out yesterday that we just passed 1 million visits for the month and that was a record. On August 22nd. So its going to be a big month.
Founded Arrowhead Pride 7/26/2006
by Chris Thorman on Aug 24, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just wait til we win the super bowl...
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
a million in ONE month?
hoo boy … no wonder my PC runs like molasses when I hop on here …
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Still runs faster than you do
It is what it is and we are who we are.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Aug 24, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I forgot to feed the hampster
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
twin brother
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I figured traffic was way up when you started the Third Shift Open Thread
I didn’t realize we were going to shatter the mark like we did, hot damn I have not life :(
It is what it is and we are who we are.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Aug 24, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of traffic
Thormans,
I have been thinking about this (thanks for reposting) for a while now as we (AP) have been growing like an exponential quadratic equation – or so it seems. I tell you what though – it cracks me up more and more to read the AP threads and see all the noobs who don’t understand sarcasm (font or fontless).
That said I was also thinking it is time again to do another sound off – where we as a community are (in sound bite format) introducing where we are from. We had done this back in the day, and when we grew in fits and spirts, but I haven’t seen one in a while. Just a thought – wadda you say?
by Eastcoastransplant on Aug 24, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a really good idea
Maybe we’ll do that soon. Good idea.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 25, 2011 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions
how does that work?
If I open up AP 5 times a day, does that count as 5 visits? Because I am constantly doing that…so if so I am glad I could contribute to the million :)
"My dad taught me all about the four seasons: Pre-season, regular season, post-season, & off-season"
You'd be one visit
But five page views.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 25, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
So the thirty different computers I use at work so I dont get caught on AP are different visits?
Jus kiddin… I only use like 15 or so…
I believe the NFL Lockout will effect my view of the NFL for the next 10 years. If the Chiefs win a Super Bowl earlier than that all will be well in my opinion.
by Cowboynchrist on Aug 25, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
one of the best blogs in SBN
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
in part because of you, j-man!
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
sssssshhhhhhh....
don’t tell Tarkus
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are you sure?
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Uncertain
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I thought about not sure
But then I thought about how nuts it sounds to not really be sure you read this. Even if you vaguely recall it, you did indeed read it once, correct?
Founded Arrowhead Pride 7/26/2006
by Chris Thorman on Aug 24, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
You never know, there may be a stray member or two with Korsakoff's Syndrome
Predictions:
KC will be a Superbowl favorite in 2012
But it's an AP mandate to always include "Not Sure" as an option
So Tarkus and Ups can ride the fence, no matter the question.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
dont forget MN
he is the King fence sitter
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Aug 25, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
no, we've been warned about doing that ...

Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
That's the one from the Saints blog though, isn't it?
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I do remember reading this, but it must have been one of my first few visits to the site.
The coverage of the 2009 draft was when I first started to frequent AP. I didn’t create my account until about 7 months later.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
and all this time I thought it was because we have more fiber in our diets ...
The “regulars” around here enjoy some leniency because they’ve shown over time to be respectful and intelligent commenters
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I found this site about this time last year
Then joined later in the fall. I’m not a big commenter though I am trying to do better!
Clearly RAWKC has not read this
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck."
-Don Shula
Thanks for posting this again Chris.
These “rules” help keep this the best site on the web.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Why have rules? IMO.......
They are not posted where members can easily view. They do not appear to be enforced.
Double standard for “regulars”. Should the appropriateness of a comment be determined based on the length of time or amount a member has contributed?
From what I have seen and experienced there really only seem to be three rules on this website and they don’t appear to be consistently enforced.
1. Offend someone and get flagged, your comment will be removed.
2. Piss off enough people that flag you and you will get warned.
3. Do it enough times and get booted from the site.
The one rule that seems to be enforced through the flagging system is completely subjective and the guidelines do not even begin to touch on how this “rule” is enforced.
“The main requirement we have is no insults of any kind”
It’s pretty simple, really. This place is largely self policed. The “regulars” who point out the differences between fanposts and shots, for example, are concerned with maintaining a certain level of quality around here. The same goes for the comments. Strict enforcement of rules is unnecessary because people understand how the community works. Giving members a sense of ownership is what makes any online community successful and the guys in charge here apparently understand that.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Aug 24, 2011 11:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The Fanposts you complained about meet the "rules" listed by Chris
They meet the minimum requirement of 300 characters or 75 words. I understand your concern that only nine post can be shown at one time and if a person puts several out in a short period it will push others out. However this whole quality of writing is a bunch of crap. That’s like saying, if you’re not capable of quality writing, your opinion doesn’t matter and shouldn’t be posted. If tweeting is any indication, half of the players you worship wouldn’t be worthy of writing a fanpost.
The guys in charge should also understand that people want a sense of fair play. If you favor a group more than others, you can develop a clickish environment that won’t be good in the long run.
That’s like saying, if you’re not capable of quality writing, your opinion doesn’t matter and shouldn’t be posted
It’s more like saying if you’re incapable of writing and explaining your opinion it shouldn’t be put into a fanpost. The examples you are talking about were several lines asking question with the authors opinion coming in the comments. It was pointed out multiple times that he should at least attempt to post his opinion & explanation in the post itself.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Aug 25, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
This. A thousand times, this.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I'm A Bit of Noob
So, how does a comment get “greened?”
Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys.
three people have to "rec" the comment
If you click on “actions” next to reply you will see a rec option.
Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.
-Abraham Lincoln
The quality of writing thing is not crap at all.
If someone can’t / won’t (most often the latter) put in the effort to make a post of reasonable quality, why not just make a fanshot?
Does it really offend your sensibilities to think that someone who has a quick thought could be considerate and put it up as a fanshot, to not push off articles that others posted who invested considerably more time, effort, research while providing graphs / statistics / photos / videos / analysis?
In no way does putting quick thoughts in the fanshots say the opinion doesn’t matter. If anything, putting a quick “Who’s your favorite player LOL?!?” type post in the fan posts is saying to the other people who put in a lot of time and effort to craft their posts that their efforts don’t really matter, and they shouldn’t bother because it’s perfectly okay to knock their posts off with things that took no effort.
There’s nothing cliquish about it. New posters show up all the time, and as long as they take a second to survey their surroundings, see what it takes to make a legitimate post, and do the same – they’re accepted right away.
MNChiefsfan did exactly that. As well as a few others. HisDirkness just made a good post a couple of days ago, now that he’s finally stopped making posts that just plugged his own blog (wanted to tie him to my bumper and drag him around the interstate the first couple times he did that). Now that he’s bothered to put in the effort, I’m glad he did. He made a good post.
What’s so hard to understand about all this?
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
more like a comment in an existing thread all too often ...
If someone can’t / won’t (most often the latter) put in the effort to make a post of reasonable quality, why not just make a fanshot?
Fanshot (in my mind, and pretty much as it was explained in this post) is generally informational … a picture, a link, news trivia, a video, etc
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yeah but at least there's the Chat Fanshot option
For quick discussions about something that may not be already ongoing in an existing thread.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
and since when do any of us REALLY need an ongoing discussion about something to start talking about it? :-)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Surely (Shirley) you're not suggesting that AP is tangent central.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
flagged ... you're off topic
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
omg flagged!

The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
by TRSChief on Aug 25, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
what a homer
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
What is so wrong about saying....
People put a lot of time and effort into their posts. The AP community will expect a certain level of EFFORT to be put into making a post.
If you just want to ask a single question, do zero research, and you aren’t even going to bother to lay out your own opinion along with some sound reasoning as to why you feel that way… then don’t turn it into a fanpost.
“I was thinking about the run game and wondered if we should run off tackle more than me do. What do you think AP?
That’s a crappy post. If you really really want to know what people think..then take the time to encourage CONVERSATION… not just poll votes. Try researching how many times we ran off tackle in 2010 and what the results were.. and comparing it to other years. OR go game by game with some useful statistics of the success of our off tackle runs vs. outside runs. AND take a stand already… If you’re going to make a post, the least you can do is have an opinion about the topic you are proposing. Do some research….. formulate your opinion ……. use your research to back up that opinion …… and THEN ask the community what they think. GIVE US SOMETHING TO DISCUSS!! That’s the whole point of a fanpost in the first place.
[Insert Poll]
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Aug 25, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's the problem I see....................
There are guidelines for fan posts and fan shots. The user community complained about a poster using fan posts and say he should have been using a fan shot. However the post they complained about met the requirements for a fan post. I’m not saying it was a good post. But it really didn’t meet the guidelines for a fan shot either (as ups pointed out).
Now. Today someone posts what is a textbook example of a fan shot as a fan post. What happens? The user community rec’s it 21 times (more to come I’m sure). Link
This goes the consistency issue I was raising.
Personally, I don’t care who posts what or where.
Another problem I see is there are likely members on AP ranging from PHD’s to high school drop outs. The quality of posts will illustrate the diversity. The spirit of the site seems to be inclusive and as such should be tolerant and cognizant of varying education levels and writing skills. I think it is a mistake to automatically assume lack of effort in a poorly written post or comment.
Let me flip this around…………………
What is wrong with asking for a permanent link to be displayed to the site rules, guidelines, tips and trick for posting. What is wrong with asking for the management of whatever the rules are to be administered in a fair and consistent manner?
they can be used in fanshots ... and often ARE
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
fair isn't always consistent, and consistent isn't always fair. That's a fact.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Aug 26, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Five years doing this site
Someone is going to disagree with any decision we make.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 26, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree with that statement Joel
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 26, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrong.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
If it's not a decision *I* would have made, it's a terrible decision!
I like this line of thinking.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
no it can't
Is it fair that jewish people can make holocost jokes but islamic and germans can’t? Is it consistent?
Is it fair that someone in a wheelchair gets to park in the space nearest the door, while you have to park further away? What about someone walking with canes and crutches, shouldn’t they get to park closer than the guy in a wheelchair? Is that rule/law consistent? Is it fair that ABC can air the word ‘ass’ and the word ‘butthole’, but they can’t air the word ‘asshole’?
Rules (as well as laws) have always been made with the idea that people should follow the ‘spirit’ of the rule/law in order to show compassion, tollerance, and respect to other people around them.
When the lawyers starting arguing the nuts and bolts and began taking advantage of ‘loop holes’ based solely on the letter of the law/rules instead of the spirit… our entire legal system started going down the shitter.
You cannot make rules or laws that are written so well as to apply to every single person, and every single situation. There will ALWAYS be exceptions, and there will ALWAYS be special circumstance.
That’s why you choose intelligent people that you can tust to enforce rules to the spirit , rather than the letter. Those people strive to be as consistent as possible, while also taking issues on a case by case basis. There is nothing wrong with that system. It has worked very for everyone from nightclubs to home owners associations to schools, and right here at AP for a lot of years.
Trying to write out some set of strong arm rules with no room for special circumstance at all, and then enforcing them with an iron fist is a terrible idea. It would make AP much worse, not better.
At the end of the day the biggest punishment you can ever receive from AP is an I.P. Ban…. other than that it’s just another human being removing the occational comment, or sending out an email informing someone that they should tone it down or stop doing whatever they were doing.
My world is not going to end because someone gave me a warning. In the greater scheme of things having a couple comments removed from some random thread on a message board that no one is going to ever read again 2 weeks from now…. or even receiving an I.P. Ban and being removed from the community.. just isn’t that big of a deal.
I’ve been escorted out of a few bars in my day. I’ve been banned from a couple too. I’m left with the choice to either contact the owner/manager and try to explain my side and then promise to follow their rules in the future to get unbanned… OR I have to drive down the road to the next bar. It’s not the end of the world.
AP is a better place BECAUSE a moderator has the ability to remove the occational comment and discuss (through email) with the commenter what they should do or not do in the future to avoid the same thing happening. AP is a better place BECAUSE a mod can look at things on a case by case basis and make a decision based on the spirit of the rules and not the letter.
Don’t let it bother you so much. It’s really not that big of deal. It’s just a sports blog. There are a million of them out there. If one doesn’t have the kind of rules or enforcement that suit you….you can either change your expectations, or find another site.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Aug 26, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying the world is fair
What I am saying is this site could be fairly policed. It really boils down to the choice of the owners, moderators, and members. To say it “can’t” would be to deny free will or say these people do not have the capability of conducting themselves in a fair and consistent manner. I hold them in higher regard and choose to believe they have that capability.
Is it fair that ABC can air the word ‘ass’ and the word ‘butthole’, but they can’t air the word ‘asshole’?
Yes it is “fair”. The reason it is fair is because every other publicly aired TV station has to play by the same rules. What would not be fair is to restrict ABC and allow NBC because they have been around longer.
For some reason you seem to be under the impression that I advocate writing rigid rules. I do not and have stated so in many of my comments. I’ll try one more time……There is a gap with the rules that are written and the way the site is managed. Don’t hang a sign one the door saying home cooked meals, and have a Chinese buffet when you get inside. I like both, but I would prefer to see the sign reflect what is being served.
In general I’m not even saying to change how the site is operating. I’m saying make the rules communication reflect how the site is managed. Is that really such a terrible thing?
Is it unreasonable to ask these thing be permanently linked and available on the home page? I’m not the first person to ask this. It was in the original comments 2 years ago and Chris indicated he was going to do it.
Is it unreasonable to ask for all members to be treated fair and consistently? Do you think there should be Royalty or a cast system that gives special privileges to a few?
I’m of the opinion that if a comment is inappropriate, who made the comment is irrelevant. I also believe any consequences for making an inappropriate comment should be the same regardless of the person making the statement. (that is fair – that is consistent).
I’m of the opinion that if a comment is inappropriate, who made the comment is irrelevant. I also believe any consequences for making an inappropriate comment should be the same regardless of the person making the statement. (that is fair – that is consistent).
And that opinion is wrong.
The context of a statement or comment…even the exact same comment…. can, and does change with circumstance. It might have something to do with who makes the comment, but it has more to do with how the comment was made, in what context it was made, what the overall ‘thread’ the comment appeared in was about, and the perceived ‘intent’ of the comment from the eyes of the reader/mods. In that way, the exact same comment taken in different context may not deserve to be removed. And therefore it would not be either fair or consistent to remove it based on the circumstances.
You are asking for hard, fast (unbending) implementation/enforcement of rules where nothing is taken into account other than (X comment = remove, no matter what) or (Y comment is always punished by warning/banning, no matter the circumstances)…. You ARE in fact asking for the way the site is operated to be changed. The EXACT same comment CAN be appropriate in one conversation and inappropriate in another conversation. The WAY a comment is used and the context around it CAN change the comment, even though the words of the comment are exactly the same. What is deemed as inappropriate CAN and DOES change based on the perceived vehemence or intent of the comment, even if the words are exactly the same.
You are, in fact, asking that some master list of ‘words’, ‘phrases’, ‘sentences’ and the like be kept in some kind of rules thread linked to the front page, and that moderators (or policing members informing moderators) go through every comment and every post and flagging/removing each and every instance of ANY ‘defined inappropriate’ comment for removal…every single day…..
And that system would be terrible for AP. It would not improve the site. It would weaken it.
Lin as many rules threads to the front page as you want. That’s a perfectly reasonable request, but to remove the ‘judgement calls’ of the community and the moderators in lieu of some system that doesn’t take into consideration the post, surrounding comments, context, or perceived intent of a poster… and just starts slamming the ban hammer / post eraser around based solely on certain collections of letters or words is a terrible idea. It would not be fair OR consistent.
I would be allowed to refer to someone as a self centered, uneducated, ignorant, mouth breathing, grade school drop and suggest they wedge their oppose-able digit sideways in their own rectum and turn circles….and suffer no consequence
…..but if they made a bad joke that makes me groan and I replied that they were A fucking dumb ass and should stick their thumb up their ass and spin on it….i’d be banned.
Simply because ‘fucking’ was already on the list of bannable offenses and the other comment was not. There’s nothing ‘fair’ or ‘consistent’ about that kind of enforcement of the rules. Nothing at all.
Giving the community the ability to ‘flag’ comments/post … and then bringing in people who you trust to read both the site in general and the flagged bits … and tasking them with deciding what is or is not in the spirit of the rules (taking into account the content, context, perceived intent, and yes…even the past history of that poster) is a far better system.
If the same person breaks the rules over and over again… they should be dealt with more harshly.
If someone that has been a great contributor forever and ever has violated a rule for the first time.. that should also be taken into consideration. Maybe a warning or just an emailed reminder would do the trick.
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by Texas Chief on Aug 27, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I haven't put words in your mouth and I would appreciate if you would quit trying to put them in mine.
Please show me where you think I made these statements.
You are asking for hard, fast (unbending) implementation/enforcement of rules where nothing is taken into account other than (X comment = remove, no matter what) or (Y comment is always punished by warning/banning, no matter the circumstances)…. You ARE in fact asking for the way the site is operated to be changed.I guess making the statement that I do not think the site is being managed fair and consistently and think that it should be could be considered a change in how things are operating. I don’t know why anyone would take issue with that unless they are currently being favored or are an elitist.
Hey, I like a good joke as much as the next person. But I don’t believe a persons race, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation gives them a right to make disparaging comments of their own classification and condemn those who are not. If you do, then we shall agree to disagree on this point.
On a website, you can’t see a person’s race, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation or their length of time as a member(unless you look up their profile). If someone sees an inappropriate comment and it is ignored, then the assumption would be that it is acceptable conduct. That is an inherent problem with discriminating and saying its okay depending on who makes the comment.
NO I AM NOT
You are, in fact, asking that some master list of ‘words’, ‘phrases’, ‘sentences’ and the like be kept in some kind of rules thread linked to the front page, and that moderators (or policing members informing moderators) go through every comment and every post and flagging/removing each and every instance of ANY ‘defined inappropriate’ comment for removal…every single day…..
I HAVE STATED JUST THE OPPOSITE
In the context of self policing, I fully support the concept, and did not mean to suggest Chris, Joel, or a moderator read every comment.
I’m saying change the rules or communication to reflect how the site operates, not change how the site operates to match some rigid set of rules.
Does your lack of response to my questions above mean that you think the rules of the site shouldn’t match how it operates, they shouldn’t be published for all to review at any time, and they shouldn’t be administered fairly?
If you want to write another book, could you at least please answer the questions?
they ARE published for all to read. You read them when you sign up.
I also specifically stated in my ‘book’ that having them tagged to the front page would be good.
They ARE administered fairly… just not the way you want them to be. As I’ve tried to point in my “book” .. consistent is not always fair. It might be consistent.. but it’s not fair. Someone that has repeatedly broken the rules should NOT be treated the same as someone that has walked the line as a good contributor. It’s got NOTHING to do with being favored or elitist. It’s pattern behavior.
The rules DO match how the site operates. In ADDITION the community has incorporated their OWN expectations for things like fanpost/fanshots. The community expectations are not rules, and aren’t enforced by Joel and Chris.
The community, for the most part, self polices those that write multiple post of short duration and no real substance and prod them into making those fan shots.
The ‘rules’ state what a fan shot is for, but they don’t limit fan-shots to JUST what is stated. The rule isn’t incorrect, and the moderators don’t remove those multiple tiny pointless posts from the fan shots if they are posted there. The enforcement of the rule by the mod’s is just fine and in complete agreement with the site rules. However, the community ALSO has their expectations for what a fan-post should be..and ‘self police’ people asking them not to clutter fan-posts with those kind of posts. This is not in violation of any rules, and doesn’t have a damn thing to do with the rules, and isn’t being enforced by the mods.
You have said multiple time that you don’t want the way the rules are enforced to be changed, BUT you want them to be enforced ‘fair and consistent’…
I was trying to point out… that those 2 things don’t align… and THEREFORE the only way it could be completely consistent would be if there was a SET ‘punishment’ for every ‘set’ crime. In order dole out the ‘punishments’ exactly consistent…. there WOULD have to be some master list of crimes paired up to punishments for the mods to refer to. Other wise… it will NEVER be consistent. So YES! You ARE asking for the entire way the rules are enforced to be changed… even if when you say that you aren’t. Complete consistency would REQUIRE it.
I was also trying to point out that in order to be FAIR… you have to consider circumstances. Without considering the surrounding posts, intentions, reasons, or history of the poster you cannot make a FAIR judgement. 2 men each shoot and kill someone. ONE of them is a lifetime church deacon that was in fear for his life at the hands of an armed assailant. The OTHER was twice convicted drug dealer with a history of assault that laid in wait for a rival to arrive.
Would it be FAIR to treat them the same? They both broke the same rule… they killed someone.
Read the content of my ‘book’ instead of just skimming it. Truly consistent enforcement would REQUIRE completely changing the way rules are enforced… and REQUIRE them to be hard line ‘Crime A = Punishment A’ rules with no room for judgement. BUT fair rules / enforcement would REQUIRE taking into consideration the context of the post and those around it, as well as the intent, and the past history of the poster.
It’s impossible for the rules to be both 100% Fair and 100% consistent. The mods are operating in the 99th percentile of FAIR from what I’ve seen – Even if they aren’t always consistent.
In a LOT of cases the mods do just what they should… they leave it up to the community to self police, and only stick their heads in when members start flagging things. That means that one day you might put the work ‘shitsack’ into a post and no one reports it… no one makes a big stick about it… and we all move on with our lives. Another day someone else might use that same word and have 3 people flag it.. and so the mods read the comment/post in question… take into account the context and the writer.. and make a decision to remove it.
There’s NOTHING wrong with that system. It works GREAT. The alternative would be forcing a crew of mods to read every word of every comment/post searching for things that violate any site rule and taking the exact same action for every specific instance of a rule infraction no matter the who, what, why, when, or how… And who the hell would do that job for free? People come here to read Chiefs news and related stories…. not to go over everything with a fine tooth comb daily in the name of consistency.
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by Texas Chief on Aug 30, 2011 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I heard today that my own companies site is struggling with this issue
A lively community vs a third party having to read every comment before posting is not possible. I have not seen another site before AP with the structure to foster live interactions as well as they do. Some are finding their way there slowly
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Chapter 386..........
WE AGREE ON THIS POINT
they ARE published for all to read. You read them when you sign up. I also specifically stated in my ‘book’ that having them tagged to the front page would be good.Sorry I missed it before. You left the k off of link, but I should have caught that.
WE LIKELY WILL NEVER AGREE ON THESE POINTS
They ARE administered fairly…
It’s impossible for the rules to be both 100% Fair and 100% consistent.
I DON’T KNOW HOW ANYONE COULD SAY THIS WITH A STRAIGHT FACE
The rules DO match how the site operates.The rules as written are RIGID and the site does not operate that way.
I do read through your books. You have provided many analogies trying to point out that different circumstance warrants different treatment. The problem with all of them is your are always comparing apples and oranges. In the latest one you compare a deacon and a drug dealer. Lets remove the labels and compare the actions. Now you are comparing a man who kills in self defense with a premeditated murder. Of course you treat those situations different. In fact, flip it around and say the deacon laid in wait to kill a rival, and the drug dealer killed someone in self defense. It really doesn’t matter who did it, the murderer gets the chair and the self defense gets the pass.
Now lets really compare apples to apples. Say the drug dealer and the deacon both commit murder. For me, they both get the chair. What say you?
There are always exceptions to rules. That does not mean the rules or the exceptions can not be managed fairly.
To say a long time member should get special treatment is elitism by definition
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
TC, I don’t often say this, but you have worn me out. feel free to have the last word.
so the unwashed masses of apparently New Chiefs Fans
should make AP thier own (new Espn thread) I think Not I see it all to much in their derision of how things were and how things are. NO fricken respect at all.I once was a newbie and i think have paid me dues to be part of this. Newbies need to change to fit in here, not here needs to fit what newbies have no idea of. I know the Thormans like the site to grow, but not in the direction of personal attacks and gang thuggery of former/current posters. You are the lawyer claiming foul whence you have not even given any respect to what was here before you became a member?
None of the new ever respect the old and what do you get?
Snide posses of snarks and no knowledge cause none of you have any in the first place. I guess Nirvana is not possible if you do not accept it and protect it
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I must have missed the part about having to "pay dues". How much are they?
.I once was a newbie and i think have paid me dues to be part of this.
I don't disagree on Bfett's gif posts fufilling the requirements...
…however, I personally think that while he could add some more thought to it and enhance the overall product, he is putting a lot of work into getting those gif’s built for our benefit. It’s also an improvement to have them all in one post vice six or seven like he started off doing. Before you’d look at the Fan Shots after gamedays and his gifs could completely eliminate other peoples posts. It’s an oddity. One last thing to say though, I really like what we’re starting to see in him working with some of those who do play analysis. I think that just about any time two or more contributors get together on a post, the final product will be better than the parts.
I agree
I just used the post to illustrate the gap between the rules or guidelines and the how the user community is operating. I guess some people on here think it is unreasonable to expect the rules or guidelines to reflect how the site actually operates.
By the same line of thought
Some people on here think it’s unreasonable to expect the community to handle malleable rules that shouldn’t have to be called into order in every single discussion – rather just when something is getting pretty clearly out of bounds.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I agree
I think to a certain great extent this is how the site operates. And since this is how it is operating, I think the rules or rather guidelines should state just that.
Forgive the lack of wordsmithing, but a simple basic rule that says AP is a self policed community. Members will call you out when you get out of bounds, and moderators will act on complaints. Depending upon the severity this could result in a comment being removed, a warning being issued, and possibly banned from the site.
To me, this much closer to reality than – No insults of any kind – No typing with Caps Lock – Etc……..
The general grammatical problems
Are ones people should learn way before dropping out of high school.
,.? Without these, sentences and paragraphs are too difficult to read.
I have seen 10 lines long sentences. No periods included anywhere.
This is not a twitter site, nor is it a text message correspondence. If people can’t take the time to spell out words, why should others take the time to read their posts, shots or comments?
Trying to have a clean, legible site doesn’t make it any less tolerant than a book club.
There is pride at the quality of comments. This place is classy in an average joes kind of way. Go ready comments on espn. Its just sad, and one of the main reason I ended up at AP years ago.
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by chief Stevie_k on Aug 26, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
For most people I would agree they "should" learn grammar.
The reality is many don’t. So the question is do you want to exclude someone because they haven’t or don’t have the mental capability? I don’t think a person needs to master grammar to be a Chiefs fan. Its obviously not a requirement to be a Chiefs player.
I don’t think we should talk out of both sides of our mouths and say – Welcome all Chiefs fans……….and………go away if aren’t intelligent, there’s other sites for dummies. I think that’s where “ignoring comments you don’t like” should come into play. No one says you have to read or respond to any comment.
in April 2002. It involved lengthy interviews of over 90,700 adults statistically balanced for age, gender, ethnicity, education level, and location (urban, suburban, or rural) in 12 states across the U.S. and was designed to represent the U.S. population as a whole. This government study showed that 21% to 23% of adult Americans were not “able to locate information in text”, could not “make low-level inferences using printed materials”, and were unable to “integrate easily identifiable pieces of information.”
And we should worry about grammar?
IMO - Self policing is ineffective without structure
I could comply with so called fanpost rules and put a dozen out a day. The “lack of structure” does not limit the number one can post.
Lack of structure allows two people to make the same comment with one being removed and a warning sent and nothing happening with the other.
A person can type in all caps locks and it consistently gets ignored even though its a clear “rule violation”. I’ve seen plenty of comments about it, but nothing gets done.
Lack of structure creates a “make the rules up as we go” environment that can change day to day, post to post, member to member.
You don't think Joel and Chris should have the ability to take things on a case by case basis?
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
I think Chris and Joel can do anything they please with their site within the bounds of the law.
IMO – it should be managed in a fair and consistent manner. IMO – it is not.
Not sure how many other places you frequent online
But relative to the rest of the Intarwebz, AP is about as fair and consistent as you can hope for.
Sure there are occasional minor rules exceptions, like RAWKC typing in ALL CAPS. But the messages contained in his posts are almost always well thought out and generally quite valid. And it’s my guess that the all caps rule here exists because of trolling teens’ tendencies elsewhere online. RAWKC presents his messages in a way that is kind of hard to stomach sometimes (really do loathe all caps), but it’s usually a good enough message to make it worth putting up with the juvenile looking presentation. So an exception is made. And I imagine it will remain that way unless everyone starts posting in all caps all the time and it gets out of hand, then the site mods will have to step in and police the community since it stopped policing itself.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
every family has a "special needs" child, right?
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
hey grid, the waitress is here for your order ...

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Aug 25, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe you are not considering the fact that you are asking for black and white decisions
in a world of Gray. Homeowners feel much the same way when they get letters or post cards from their homeowners associations. If you let your grass get too long or you leave your Christmas lights on your house for too long after Christmas is over, the association will likely send you a note. If you take no notice, they will send you more than one and eventually they can (but rarely do) levy a fee against your home. Nothing happens until you get ready to sell your house and then you have to clear up the lien to complete the sale. AP is similar in that just because you don’t see the hammer come down on the anvil immediately when someone makes a very small infraction of those rules, they do hit the radar. Ultimately the goal is to increase the number of users who use the site in the best possible way. Sometimes it takes time to get them to see the point. If the Thormans just yelled “off with their heads” we’d miss out on more of what makes this site great—namely opinions.
As far as making multiple posts per day, I believe that Joel mentioned something to me about that some time back. Have you noticed that every once in a while a new poster starts posting links to some website over and over on several different posts? SB Nation has some kind of mechanism that recognizes too many posts in a certain period of time and ‘throttles’ down temporarily on that poster to prevent spamming. If you tried to make a dozen posts per day, you might find that you’ve been throttled. Just one of many tools that are behind the scenes here at AP that the majority of us know little to nothing about because we don’t abuse the site. :)
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
well said, Aiken
then there was that picture that craig posted last night on the open thread that was definitely “sight abuse” ;-)
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yeah,
He blinded me once for 20 minutes. Couldn’t leave the computer until my vision returned to normal.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
You guys are making the case for structure being needed.
If rules and structure existed, Joel or moderators wouldn’t need to tell you about making multiple posts per day.
As far as making multiple posts per day, I believe that Joel mentioned something to me about that some time back.
As far as the homeowners ass. they typically have detailed rules and if they don’t follow them in a fair and consistent manner, they usually end up in court. I understand the point you are trying to make, but don’t think homeowner ass. is a good parallel.
What I am asking for suggesting is that whatever the rules are, post them so new people can see them. New users show up all the time, why post rules every two years? Why post rules that are not enforced? Why treat members differently?
I kinda figured we weren
As far as the homeowners ass. they typically have detailed rules and if they don’t follow them in a fair and consistent manner, they usually end up in court.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Sorry about that, reply fail
What I was going to say was that I have absolutely no idea how often homeowners sue HOA’s for enforcing the rules that the homeowners agreed to when they bought their house. Sounds like a losing proposition to me, but maybe you feel differently.
Honestly, it seems as though you don’t feel like the system here works very well. Apparently Joel and Chris along with quite a number of other AP fans seem to get along with it ok. I am sure that Joel and Chris would be happy to listen to your suggestions, but that doesn’t mean that they are willing to take action on them.
Frankly, I have posted stuff on other fan based web sites and have found my experience here to be top shelf in relation to the way other sites are run. You don’t find nearly as many trolls here and disagreements rarely end up in accusations of stalking and other such nonsense. This site has managed to keep itself pretty clean as it grows. Try a few other sites and do some comparisons. You might be surprised.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
by Aiken_Drum on Aug 25, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just check your ESPN comment section for quality trolling.
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 26, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
It is just horrible.
Big reason I ended up here
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by chief Stevie_k on Aug 26, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You agree to the new rules as a new user
You can’t become a user without accepting the terms of the site first.
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by Chris Thorman on Aug 25, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I just joined last year and have seen the rules in this article at least 3 times plus
I saved it to a document on my laptop so I could refer back to it if any questions come to mind.
The reason I did that is that, as a newer member joining any community, I believe it to be my responsibility to familiarize myself with the rules and general tone of the site. As other members have noted, I also observed for a time (still somewhat) to identify the longer term members to learn from how they handle themselves. Just in my short time, several of the guys have been very helpful to me and all I had to do was ask.
I’m a bit surprised that a person who’s been a member longer than I have seems to have issues with the rules and how they’re distributed. I suppose it’s conversation fodder though, eh?
In general, it has seemed to me that the community in general along with the long-term members pretty much let those of us who are newer know when we’ve overstepped the ‘rules’. It’s one of the things I really like about AP because it keeps the focus on the topics…and having fun discussing them.
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by WorL4Chiefs on Aug 25, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
With comments like that
Please contribute more when you may be on the fence about commenting or not.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Thanks TRS
I love football and especially the Chiefs. I devour the AP news and comments, but am short on the X’s and O’s knowledge, so I sometimes err on the side of not looking stupid. lol
Plus when others have expressed what I think, it feels redundant to comment what others have already said. I’ll try not to be such a lurker. :-)

I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
by WorL4Chiefs on Aug 26, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I would like to echo what TRS is saying
I would also like to thank you for illustrating a point I touched on in another comment. There are many people on here with varying knowledge levels.
I don’t care if someone refers to Cassel as that tall goofy looking dude that throws the ball, or if they refer to him as that Stud pro bowl QB with outstanding leadership qualities blah blah blah. I value the persons opinion either way.
I think there are a lot of people out there just like you who are hesitant to comment because they are intimidated and afraid of “looking stupid”. This is just my opinion and I could very well be wrong. But I see many polls with upwards of 1000 responders and comments from only a fraction. And it seems to be mostly the same people.
I also respect your opinion on the subject of the rules and admire your approach of personal responsibility. I just think there is a better way.
There are many people who do well living by the saying, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I rather take the approach of take something good and make it better.
This whole conversation reminds me of a topic I was blasted for earlier this year. I made a comment basically saying Haley has done a poor job at handling the offensive coordinator position. That comment got responses questioning my fandom, calling me a hater etc. The fact was and is I think Haley overall has done an outstanding job, but being critical of one aspect drew a lot of criticism.
I look at this much the same way. I think Chris and Joel do an outstanding job overall with AP. I just think this aspect can be improved.
I don't know about stupid, but ignorant? Yes...
Somebody that doesn’t know who Cassel is and is on this site will probably sound very ignorant using your description. Chances are, if you’re on AP, you’re probably more than a casual fan.
I’ve said my fair share of ignorant or silly comments, and I’m much better off because of being challenged and educated by others.
Life isn’t all about getting gold stars, hugs and high fives…even fist pounds.
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by chief Stevie_k on Aug 26, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
My hesitation to comment at times is not based in intimidation...
It comes from within me. I do comment, just not prolifically. After a year of reading (tad bit of a boycott of all things football during the lockout), I’ve not only learned a lot from the guys around here, but have also observed that whenever I have a question, if I read further, someone invariably covers it.
My schedule is pretty full so if I only have 10 minutes here and there to pop in & read, I’d rather digest as much as possible to learn than shoot my mouth off if I have limited knowledge and can learn something. Not wanting to look stupid is a function of how I feel about myself – not dependent upon what anyone else thinks.
Conversely (as others have also said) I tend to skip over/ignore those commenting in caps or being overly argumentative. Ergo, those who do that do themselves a disservice, as their comments carry less weight and fall into the nether-net.
My point re personal responsibility stands. I’d rather see AP continue to be ‘policed’ per se by the community than have Joel & Chris buried by continual thread policing and therefore unable to post as many great articles as they do.
The cohesiveness of the community is what makes AP great.
There is one thing I’d like to see though (haven’t found it yet) is a tips & tricks or ‘how to’ for all things posting. While the comment box has the basics, I seem to have not captured and thus forgotten how to get the sarcasm font, etc. That would help the noobs of us… :-)
I’ve read many comments by you Grid, and appreciate your input as well. On this topic though, I beg to differ. :-)
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by WorL4Chiefs on Aug 27, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Bad assumption on my part
While I do think there are those who may be intimidated, I should not have assumed that was your reasoning. My apologies if you took any offense to that.
I also may have misunderstood your point originally about personal responsibility. I thought you were talking about it in the context of seeking out the rules and site norms, instead of having them readily available where they could be linked to at any time.
I was complimenting you taking the “personal responsibility” to save a copy of the rules. When I said I thought there was a better way, I just meant I thought the rules should be available through a link at all times to all members, rather than each member needing to save their own copy.
In the context of self policing, I fully support the concept, and did not mean to suggest Chris, Joel, or a moderator read every comment.
I’m saying change the rules or communication to reflect how the site operates, not change how the site operates to match some rigid set of rules.
I think we may actually agree on much more than we disagree.
Kudos
I have respected people for almost 50 years, that is the basic gist of the site rules. Give respect and get respect and debate in a proper fashion. As some say don’t say things to other posters that you would not say face to face. It is hard to read intent in just text and over time you get a sense of who that person is. just like in real life :) I think that is the AP way, less slack for newbies and more slack for known members. It is not a bad system, I use that in my day to day life on meeting new people. I am happy you are here Grid and hope to talk often in the future!
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 27, 2011 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Not knowing the X's and O's is a great reason to comment though!
You’ll run into some people on AP who know the X’s and O’s inside and out, and are usually pretty happy to share that knowledge if you ask.
Not sure exactly what’s going on with the O Line? Ask Bewsaf if he’s around and not being a rockstar on his own site now.
Defense? KaloPhoenix is pretty sharp there.
hmills and Texas Chief know the X’s and O’s on both sides of the ball better than your average bear (esp Singletary – did you see that guy’s attempt at being a head coach?)
A great discussion can pop up just from asking, “On that 1st down around 6:32 in the 2nd quarter, we came out in an odd looking formation. What was that all about?” And I’ll just about guarantee some game film nerds will jump right in with, “well the defense was still out in a (whatever personnel package) so we hurried the offense up to cause a mismatch between (players)” etc, etc.
Asking a question is oftentimes the best conversation starter.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
This
I’ve learned a TON since I’ve been on this site, and most of it has been from asking questions.
Definitely...
I’ve experienced this and appreciated the help and positive responses. MN was especially helpful when I first joined.
Hopefully, my schedule will ease up enough that I can engage a bit more. When I only have 10 minutes here & there to pop in, I like to digest as much as possible.
That said…I’m gonna go read today’s stuff. See ya in another thread. :-)
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
by WorL4Chiefs on Aug 27, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, rec'd
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Eh
These have worked well for 5 years so we’re going to keep them.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 25, 2011 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Exactly what I came here to say Joel
Things aren’t new around here. This is how it’s been and it’s working really well IMO.
Founded Arrowhead Pride 7/26/2006
by Chris Thorman on Aug 25, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
If you want to make the rules up as you go along fine..............
Its your site.
People constantly violate the guidelines you posted. It happens every day in multiple threads. RAWKC VIOLATES THEM EVERY TIME HE POSTS. Several people complained about the the fanshots. But what they complain about is okay according to the guidelines above. Your moderators do not consistently and fairly edit comments. If that’s your idea of working well, I would hate to see your idea of dysfunctional.
Things are new every day.
Things aren’t new around here
New members sign up and have no structure to reference to tell them how your site operates. (until they do something you don’t like or you decide to post guidelines every couple of years)
Not try to be a dickhole but...
you keep saying the same thing over and over again, and I really don’t see anyone else complaining…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
I've seen many complaints
I’ve seen many people complain about RAWKC constantly posting in all caps. There were multiple people complaining about fan posts (I wasn’t one of them).
Mr. Grid Iron
This the the message every single new user has had to read and click through for the last 2-3 years on this site. How would you change them?
“Welcome to Arrowhead Pride! All opinions are welcome but insults are not tolerated, even in the slightest reference. If you use ad hominem attacks or insult another commenter, you will be called out not only by our editors but our community as well.
We avoid the “typical” internet banter so frequently cited by critics of blogs. Our community self-regulates itself and has become and will remain a place where anyone who wants to can discuss the Kansas City Chiefs, regardless of their views.
We choose to ignore commenters and posts we do not enjoy. Not to insult them or feed their attention needs. One sort of odd (not really though) caveat we have is that you must not, can not type your comments in all caps lock keys. We don’t really like that around here. Despite the rules above, this is really a place that has few set rules for interaction and it’s been working beautifully for two and a half years.
Our full rules are here, so make sure you read them before you start posting.
Come in. Pull up a seat. Grab a beer. Talk about the Kansas City Chiefs."
Founded Arrowhead Pride 7/26/2006
by Chris Thorman on Aug 25, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Mr. Thorman
Simply put, your web site is not being managed consistent with the rules you have posted.
I think you have a wonderful web site, but in this particular area, have room for improvement.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not advocating writing a book of hard and fast rules. What I would suggest though is that the rules or guidelines reflect how the site is actually managed.
I would also suggest a link be placed on the home page to things such as rules, guidelines, posting tip and tricks. This would be a great benefit to new users as well as a great reference for us older feeble minded members. :-)
In fairness to you, I have violated one of my own pet peeves. Criticizing the status quo with no suggestion on how to improve. Any idiot (me) can criticize, but being constructive takes some thought. I will email you with some suggestions in the next few days.
You think a person has to have a websit to have an opinion?
I like the way they term it at the end of every fan post.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride’s writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
The same
Dude, rules and guidelines aren't synonymous
We don’t need rigid rules. Flexible guidelines allow for and encourage greater participation, creativity, and higher quality jokes.
I think Deadspin, back when it was worth reading, had the best rules. Be funny. Don’t be unfunny.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 25, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Rec'd
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Rec'd
I don’t know deadspin?
If you need a less interactive site to read Chiefs news
www.kansascity.com/chiefs is your spot
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 25, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude...One of the rare times I agree with you!
If I have given you the impression I advocate hard fast rules, I do not. What I am really advocating is that whatever the rules are, that they be posted for all to see and that whatever enforcement is necessary, that it be done in a fair and consistent manner. And a rule shouldn’t be posted if there is no intent to enforce it, ie: caps lock.
Damn man
Dave Bowman: Hello, HAL. Do you read me, HAL?
HAL: Affirmative, Dave. I read you.
Dave Bowman: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
HAL: I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that.
Dave Bowman: What’s the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
Dave Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
Dave Bowman: I don’t know what you’re talking about, HAL.
HAL: I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I’m afraid that’s something I cannot allow to happen.
Dave Bowman: [feining ingorance] Where the hell did you get that idea, HAL?
HAL: Dave, although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.
Dave Bowman: Alright, HAL. I’ll go in through the emergency airlock.
HAL: Without your space helmet, Dave? You’re going to find that rather difficult.
Dave Bowman: HAL, I won’t argue with you anymore! Open the doors!
HAL: Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
Pick your poison already!
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 25, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
It made me a little sick
but I did just rec a comment by HIV…
by LTownChiefsFan on Aug 26, 2011 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
if I may be allowed to simplify here ...

Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Aug 25, 2011 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
apparently no, you're not
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
where is Mills to explain this?
Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.
-Abraham Lincoln
Please rec this post so it stays on the top for a while.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
I mentioned in passing to someone the other day ...
that perhaps something like this could be a dirrect link to sign-up page, then reading this with a click link to acknowledge one has read it, and maybe a short quiz to make sure
would be a little webwork for some techie out there, but I’m sure it’s do-able … if someone so wanted it done
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Think there's a smaller version of this
You agree to when you sign up.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 25, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, saw that referenced just a bit ago on another post
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
It was suggested 2 years ago when Chris first published it.
If I remember correctly he said he was going to do that, but I sure haven’t been able to find it.
Lead by example noobs (like me).
I’d like to say also, that over half the comments around here are jokes/sarcasms. I love it! But it is very hard to determine when someone is goofin’ around or not.
Everyone please enter below your secret to letting your comment be known as simply a funny.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Aug 25, 2011 11:33 AM CDT reply actions
I'm sure its been said before to the Newb's but........
If you haven’t been around the site that long and you see something that probably looks like some kind of an inside joke and you don’t understand it. Just ask. That way everyone can take pleasure in giving Upamtn crap about being a Raiders/Ravens/Bills/Rams/Oilers fan.
See….he’s a Chiefs fan that on about a dozen occasions has been called out by Chiefs fans that don’t like that he doesn’t necessarily see things through rose-colored glasses.
If someone doesn’t think Matt Cassel can win the Chiefs a Super Bowl, it doesn’t mean they aren’t a Chiefs fan, it means they don’t think Matt Cassel can win the Chiefs a Super Bowl. There’s nothing wrong with thinking the team needs to get better in one area or another.
NEVER QUESTION SOMEONES FANDOM. IT NEVER LEADS TO ANYTHING GOOD.
Other things to know about the site.
MNChiefs fan likes Ninjas.
I used to be Bajah07——they killed him
Ups is rarely not sarcastic
Aiken writes long posts
Tarkus takes things exactly like they are written
HIV is a Chiefs fan
Craig loves Tebow
Lady Chief loves pictures
AverageGatsby is not afraid to throw a BS flag
Kalo knows what he is talking about
Steve is the most regular of regulars
Mills writes longer comments than most write fanposts
Anything I missed?
Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.
-Abraham Lincoln
RAWKC WILL ALWAYS TYPE IN CAPITAL LETTERS! GET OVER IT PEOPLE!
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Aug 25, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Texas_Chief is an idiot
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
SwimCoach mentioned Eric Berry no less than 593 million times before and during the 2010 draft
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
And hat's off to him. He called it, and was zealous in his defense of the pick.
Turns out it’s working out alright for us so far.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
You know, I really don't care - HECK, LETS ALL TYPE IN CAPITAL LETTERS.
It just seems STUPID to have a rule against it and to do nothing about it. If they are not going to do anything don’t bother to have it as a rule.
Each time someone breaks a rule it is judged, individually
If you want to write in a stupid way, you can. Just makes you look stupid though. RAWKC we accept as someone who does things differently, he doesn’t let his all caps lock writing get on peoples nerves too much therefore we choose to ignore the fact he’s writing in caps lock. If say, he was going, MATT CASTLE SUX, TODD HALEY IS A DOUCHE WHO SHOULD BE BAGGING GROCERIES and thats it, believe me, he would be stopped. as of now he doesn’t harm anyone, therefore he’s left alone
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Sep 6, 2011 4:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope.......
Good Work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well,
I hoped you would have said that Aiken writes long GOOD posts, but I’ll settle for what I got. :)
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
we all know they're good....that's like Kalo wondering if he knows front-7 stuff
I don’t always agree, but they’re written great and your point is clear.
But to be honest, I wasn’t sure about the lockout ones. Didn’t read them all :)
Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.
-Abraham Lincoln
Dude, not only were you SURE the universe was coming to an end, you took it out on just about everyone on AP except me
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
/sniffle
No Mention of the Texas Chief?
I’ll do my own: Texas Chief Hates Brodie Croyle, and writes longer comments than Mills
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
sorry tc
Texas Chief AND Mills write the longest comments.
Except when steve copies and pastes draftek mock drafts :)
Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.
-Abraham Lincoln
I also felt slighted TC
Although, I suppose its impossible to pigeonhole someone as eloquent and verbose as me, who constantly weighs objective reality against his own wildly pulsating fandom, in a single sentance.
I shall remain a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
You can't spell Power without Powe.
Trying NOT to confuse people
Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.
-Abraham Lincoln
I had ya covered, Buddy
but you missed it … idiot
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Newbie Here...
I’ve been a two +year vet of FOX & a frequenter of the Command Post @ Isports ( Before it went Tits Up from a lack of self policing that killed the picture posting & eventually the Thread … Well that & the clique-like nature of the Mods)…What I’ve seen here is a vitality of Fanbased Pride & a Depth & Wealth of Knowledge of all things Chiefs & a deeper .surgical view of Football that both can be as intimidating as it is stimulating…There’s a familiarity here that bespeeks a shared passion & wealth of experiences here that I don’t see on other sites…Could it be better ? …Sure ( An Edit feature would be nice for hunt & peck Typists like me who tend to Capitalize words for Emphasis ) But in the two short weeks I’ve been here , I gotta say ,I like the experience …
by KCChef on Aug 25, 2011 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Welcome
Glad to have you aboard.
On the edit thing, I think the biggest vote against that is that users could go back and change their arguments instead of simply fixing a typo. It could get confusing.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 25, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
There must be ways to curb that, though.
For one, I think you could largely count on the very same self-policing that AP already relies on for flagging comments, making sure fanshots don’t end up getting posted as fanposts, etc. If somebody edits a post in that manner, you can be pretty sure they’ll get called out on it.
It’s also possible to make it known that a post has been edited. Reddit, for example, places as asterisk next to any comment that has been edited more than a few seconds after it has been posted. That’s a pretty unobtrusive move, but you could theoretically take the same principle farther if need be. I’d would imagine it would be possible to note edited words in bold or italics, or perhaps you could allow people to add clarifications to their comments, but not delete what they originally wrote.
I’ll freely admit that I have no experience in web design, and I know that you and Chris are pretty much limited to staying within SBNation’s overall framework. But I have to think there’s a way to compromise between letting people completely change or misrepresent the original intent of their comments, and me dying of shame a little bit every time I accidentally leave a letter out of a word or use the wrong form of there/their/they’re because I know that it’s out there forever and I can never take it back.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
We've talked about a feature that allows you to edit a comment for like 60 seconds after you publish it
After a minute, you can’t edit anymore.
Founded Arrowhead Pride 7/26/2006
by Chris Thorman on Aug 26, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that would be perfectly reasonable.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
I agree with that... a few minutes would be reasonable.
Or if you could only edit using strike-through.
I suppose it could be an issue, but it would be nice to be able to clean up your comments. Especially if you are using swype on a phone.
I am the type of typist that has to read my comments a few times to get them right, and if I get in a hurry, I will make mistakes. It would be nice to be able to correct them, even if for only a moment, or a one time limit like a rec.
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 26, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
welcome, Chef!
I’d like the omelette with hollandaise and …
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
it looks like he is in to baking stuff..........
how about a cherry pie?
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mmmmmmmmmmmm
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
any mention of cherry pie is enough to Warrant this ...
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
go back and read the comments...........
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Welcome KCChef!
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by Chris Thorman on Aug 25, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Really sad when we have all these comments
and only one recommended reading?
rec Chef !
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 25, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd him with you.
no homo
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Welcome to AP
The best thing ever…
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 26, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone sprinkled water on the gizmo again!
Alot of gremlins showing up close to week 1
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Aug 25, 2011 6:18 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
No wonder
As a relative newbie, I’m not surprised that the sight is growing by leaps and bounds. I remember being impressed with the respectful dialogue, and found myself coming back to get the latest inside information and to read the comments of the regulars. I commend the spirit of the sight, and appreciate when someone does call another commenter on language or content. I rarely post, and a lot of that comes from seeing the level of comments (generally) that are based on knowledge of the game or frequency and familiarity of the posters and the community. Honestly, when Mills replied to one of my first comments I breathed a sigh of relief that I had said something worth responding to!
And props to Joel and Chris for the amount of information you guys publish. During FA it seemed every other article on SB nation came from one of you. Seriously, you guys need a life. (Congrats, btw Joel!)
I have it on good authority that Joel and Chris are using SBN as a plot to take over the world
and turn the Chiefs into America’s team.
You can't spell Power without Powe.
..not that..
Please, no. Too much name association with the Cowboys. I admit to being a Cowboy fan once, but when I turned 5 and learned they weren’t actual ‘cowboys’, they lost me.
I know I'm way late but...
…I’ve been setting up my classroom these past few days. I teach high school and I just want to say that I wish my syllabi would stir so much controversey!
Gone scalpin'...
by DisplacedChief on Aug 29, 2011 11:08 PM CDT reply actions
I think this post may need to be put on the front page after week 1
Win or lose.
"we're gonna have to use a tactic that is somewhat bizarre, and extremely risky. If any of you feel it's not worth it, please let me know now."
"Uh, actually, sir, I think we prefer to go with the bizarre and risky. Worked for us so far. "
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