More Details On Jonathan Baldwin-Thomas Jones Fight
by Chris Thorman on Aug 24, 2011 8:02 AM CDT
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Aaron Wilson of The Carroll County Times was on 610 SportsKC radio this morning in Kansas City talking about the Jonathan Baldwin-Thomas Jones fight that happened nearly a week ago. Wilson, who always seems to have inside information when it comes to the Kansas City Chiefs, revealed a few more details to the incident.
One of the most interesting details is that it appears that Thomas Jones punched Baldwin first:
Now on 610 Sports Radio @ravensinsider reports #Chiefs WR Jonathan Baldwin broke his thumb in weight room altercation with Thomas Jones after Jones sucker-punched Baldwin following verbal sparring.
And the incident apparently started when Baldwin took "exception to so called rookie hazing and wanted to stand his ground." Wilson added:
The incident with Jones followed some type of verbal altercation between Baldwin and Jamaal Charles.
These are most of the details that were reported earlier, with a few more specifics thrown in.
610 Sports just asked this question over at their Facebook page: Now that it appears that Thomas Jones "sucker-punched" Baldwin, does this change your perception of the incident? Personally, I'm over it. I don't care who started it. I'm fine with letting the laws of the locker room play out internally.
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I heard this on my iphone during my morning jog
Is anyone else tired of the speculaton and just wants to have the rookie come back in full health and acceptance with the team?!
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
Bingo
My interest in this whole thing is dwindling. It’s over and the Chiefs are trying to move past it. Nothing is going to come of it at this point that hasn’t already. It may be some time before the whole story is truly “out”, and by then it will matter less than it does now.
(best valley girl voice) “This is, like, sooooooo last week.”
by Ochophosphate on Aug 24, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Who cares at this point? Let’s just get everyone on the field and contributing. Seems like the team has already moved on and so should everyone else. We would never have heard about it without the instant-info era that we’re now in. It’s something that’s been going on for years and always will.
by TheScootness on Aug 24, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
The more the media perpetuates stories
The more everyone ‘should’ pay attention.
I say ‘should’ because anyone who follows what is reported is seen to be more knowledgeable about the reported topic. This is evident, but rarely given any heed. I say we respect the altercation (something happened in the NFL), and move on.
We all agree that some event happened that brought about the injury of a team-member. Beyond that is nonsense unless something extreme happens. And even then, it’s nonsense to read more into it. How many players get cut for not preforming up to expectations? Why limit the story to saying, “Well, everyday in the NFL, instances of NFL-type behavior occur.” Well, because no one will read it….plain and simple.
We can let this all be ‘water under the bridge’ in which case the events surrounding this story will seem irrelevant.
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by KC Conundrum on Aug 24, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Are there any confirmed facts at all in any of this? Or is it all speculation?
Just because some guy with “inside information” says it on a small-time talk radio show does not make it fact. Or even remotely close to fact.
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by Rev. Slappy on Aug 24, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm in the same boat
So tired of everyone prying for these details. It’s a shame it ever happened and because of it a rookie who was already getting less reps because of the lockout is losing more time to get up to speed. I really just wish everyone would move on and focus on our upcoming roster cuts, our lack of depth at o-line and our still seemingly weak WR core. Maybe we can talk about how our defense is getting so good and so deep we are going to be cutting guys we may end up regretting later this season. There’s so much more to talk about…
by Spiderwomn69 on Aug 24, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe?
There’s so little that we know for sure with all this. Just as one person saw Toddy Haley clearly furious with Harbaugh after the Ravens game and another saw that he was fine and gave him a thumbs up – so, too, can accounts of “Baldwin started messing with Charles” and “Jones suckerpunched him” etc, etc can vary pretty wildly.
Whatever it was, I hope it doesn’t happen again. No matter who did what.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Sounds like
Maybe Baldwin was tired of rookie hazing and told Jones to get fucked. Jones didnt like it and smacked him. If thats true its a bullshit move by TJ. Baldwin is gonna be much more important to this offense in the near future than old man TJ.
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by Big_Chief on Aug 24, 2011 8:07 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
So much speculation, though.
Trying to imagine a scenario where someone gets suckerpunched in the thumb.
There are details we don’t know, and likely never will.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
the thumb got injured when baldwin
tried to punch TJ back. from what I gathered TJ faked like he was going to throw a medicine ball at baldwin in the weight room and Baldwin said something to the affect of “grow up”. then Jones sucker punched him.
Got any links?
Here in Nashville I’m not privvy to the local media that those around KC are.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I would check 610sports.com
later for the podcast. I heard it on the radio on the drive in this morning.
Awesome, thanks.
Damned out of market media. All I hear is “blah blah blah Chris Johnson, blah blah blah more money”.
Makes me want to slam my head in the door some days.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Same here
and fantasy reports still have this holdout as the #2 fantasy back.
by Spiderwomn69 on Aug 24, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
As for the thumb....
Clearly Baldwin was applying the “wax on, wax off” defense that he learned as a child from Mr. Miyagi.
While “waxing on” with his right hand he was able to deflect the blow, but cracked his thumb in the process.
by Ochophosphate on Aug 24, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
actually....if it was a sucker punch....
Baldwin probably jammed his thumb trying to catch himself falling back…
on a related note…wtf is a hack ancient RB doing throwing a punch at a WR…pussy ass move is you ask me
If your a RB and you have to punch someone…punch a lineman…not a girlie WR…its just a miss match.
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by MasterBlaster7 on Aug 24, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Same way the people who are going to overreact to this will?
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
overreact?!? WE NEVER OVERREACT and I will PERSONALLY eat the liver of ANYONE WHO OVERREACTS ...
… with Fava Beans and a nice Chianti
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Now that explains some things about you that I've often wondered, ups
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Overreacted?
You mean like suggesting the idea Baldwin might not be a fault …
was a threat to the Free Press, Democracy, and the American Way?
by electriclight on Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I voted it's Jamaal Charles fault
Because he's the 2nd string RB
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by ExRoyalsFan on Aug 24, 2011 8:07 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Rookie hazing is a part of the tradition of the game
If these rookies dont like it, then the UFL and Arena ball are awaiting…
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by Lanier63 on Aug 24, 2011 8:08 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
As with all things...it depends.
A little fun rookie hazing is fine, some people always seem to take it too far though. The question is which one is it.
Fact of the matter is, none of us have enough details to pass judgement, I figure daddy Haley will make it right.
Bs
If someone doesn’t want to be messed with, no one else has the right to push the issue. If this is true, then Baldwin isn’t at fault, isn’t a diva, and could still be an awesome WR. Pisses me off that our first round pick is now sidelined because Jones is a douche bag.
by bossmanham on Aug 24, 2011 8:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
NO
it’s not when people start to get hurt… TJ should be tired of hazen… They should have went to dinner & made him pay for it..
by Chieffanndonkeyland on Aug 24, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
How quickly everyone tends to forget
This rookie Baldwin is the very same guy that spent weeks living and working with Cassel prior to even having a contract, let alone a guarantee of a contract during the lock out. This is the very same Baldwin that said that maybe him and Cassel should head on down to Joplin to see if they could help when he didn’t even have any ties to the area at the time.
Hazing should not have a place in professional sports. When you reach that level you are supposed to be men, and treat others as men, not act lik a bunch of immature five year olds. I personally have had three seperate times when people have attempted to haze me. The first was my first year on the varsity wrestling squad in high school my freshman year. Our 260 lb heavy weight tried to mock me and my massive 79 lb frame. I picked him up, he was surprised that I could do that and started to laugh about it until i put him in a locker and locked it on him. The second was in the military with a guy twice my size. I choked him out in left him in the door to my dorm room. The third was in college when a frat member tried hazing me. I informed him that I didn’t care for it and it would be a good idea for him to drop the matter. He didn’t, I did.
So any time I hear of anything tied to hazing I tend to side with the person being hazed.
by Zif on Aug 24, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wasn't so cool
When we realized that nobody knew who’s locker I put our heavy weight in and no one knew the combo. I avoided him for the next two days.
This says pretty much what I was thinking. Hazing is just a way for guys who should know better to act like punks.
I doubt anybody here knows the whole story, though. Could be a respected veteran putting a big-headed rookie in his place. Could be a strong-willed rookie calling bullshit, when bullshit was offered. Could be some of both or neither, but I’m pleased to be counted among those who think hazing is BS.
would of ≠ would've
The same thing happened to me
I once was walking down the street and a gang of ninjas attempted to haze me. I killed 483922 of them with a jump spinning back kick and their leader proclaimed I was Ip Man’ reincarnation. The second time I was in a 7-11 and the entire Hell’s Angels gang came into the store and insulted my dog, whom I was carrying in my fanny pack at the time. I executed a prolonged beard whip that tore through them like a 50 cal gun being fired through Hot butter and cotton candy. I then purchased some 409 and helped the proprieter clean up the mess. The third time I was in Nazi Germany, strolling along trying to retrace the steps of Hansel and Gretel, when an entire German Panzer unit descended upon me. I told them I didn’t like all the noise and if they wanted to live they would turn their tanks off. They scoffed at me and I completed a jump spinning back knuckle thong fist into their leader’s face. I then chased the rest of the unit, on foot, and defeated them in hand to hand combat. The site of said combat can still be seen today, it is called Tunguska.
SInce then I have been a champion of anti-hazing, along with one of my lesser students, Chuck Norris.
The Kansas City Chiefs, ruining playoff hopes since 2010
This ties in well with
the aforementioned “sense of entitlement” that was mentioned. However, like Joel said, it’s best just to forget about it and hope Baldwin comes back ready to go.
Ok people.. move on.. nothing to see...
At this point, it’s over. Who cares what they were fighting about, who threw the first punch… what’s next, after school detention?
Jeez hopefully Baldwin heals and everyone learns something from this and just moves on.
by golfbard on Aug 24, 2011 8:10 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Everyone's to blame, but TJ being the vet, he shouldn't have taken it to that point
Besides, suckerpunching is low under any circumstance, they should have had an old school joust in the parking lot
"Reject a woman, and she will never let it go. One of the many defects of their kind. Also, weak arms."
-Dwight Schrute
The rookie needs to keep his head down and work his butt off!!
Thomas Jones has a good history of being a leader and a great locker room guy. I give him the benefit of the doubt. Baldwin comes with baggage (right or wrong) as a diva and the young dog needs to be broken. I support the sucker punch…if that’s what happened.
by NCChief63 on Aug 24, 2011 8:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Jones can leave
No one should be justified injuring a first round pick. Great team player right there! He deserves more carries and I'm sure Haley will give him them . Hence why they tried covering it up. He’s haleys boy!!! I’m going to sum it up to roid rage and hope he don’t try and plant a crippler crossface on succup… :-)
by Rum on Aug 24, 2011 8:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
And this one of the many reasons why I hate the sarcasm font.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
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Outlaw that shit
It brings nothing to a conversation and half the time kills most of the comment anyway.
by TheScootness on Aug 24, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Why give him the benefit of the doubt?
This is the third fight he has been in with a teammate in his career. I think the “great locker room guy” talk about Jones is overplayed.
what?
Are you kidding me! 3rd person Jones has punched in locker room we know have, yet TH gets a pass! Baldwin makes two comments in college out of frustration…Sleeps on Cassel couch (even though he has no contract) helps in Joplin (even though he has no contract) works his tail off at camp. Give me a break.
by doddzilla3 on Aug 24, 2011 8:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
Exactly.
Baldwin has been nothing but a stand up guy. If Jones has to be a bully in the locker room to get his jollies, then I hope this is his last year screwing up our team. Baldwin rocks and clearly has an awesome work ethic.
And screw Nick Wright for defaming him. Ass hole.
by bossmanham on Aug 24, 2011 8:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Think about who Baldwin is...and think about Thomas Jones' reputation in the league
by dwil2009 on Aug 24, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
His rep is like a Jerry springer quest
He beats his family members and thinks it’s fine. (aka team)
by Rum on Aug 24, 2011 8:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Reputation
TJ rep is not all that good… In his younger day he had a bad attude also so give the rookie a break…. If he was a great teammate why have he been on so many teams…
by Chieffanndonkeyland on Aug 24, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Jones has a rep for fighting in the locker room.
Now he freaking sidelined our first round draft pick. You’re okay with that?
by bossmanham on Aug 24, 2011 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TJ has a history of fighting in the locker also I’ve read were players didn’t really care for him eather… TJ have had a fight when he was in AZ…
by Chieffanndonkeyland on Aug 24, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Thomas Jones didnt "Sucker Punch" anyone. effing media
by dwil2009 on Aug 24, 2011 8:12 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and you know this how?
please give us your “insider” knowledge.
Because its freaking Thomas Jones.
He may have hit him but I don’t believe that he sucker punched anyone. I dont like using them using that phrase to make someone look they took a cheap shot.
by dwil2009 on Aug 24, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
History of what?
Being every coach’s favorite player? You dont take out entire page ads for a player (the did that in New York) for guys who Sucker Punch other players ..
Fighting with teammates.
3rd one bro.
by tomahawk44 on Aug 24, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cedric Benson
Arrested in 2008 for essentially DUI but with a boat. Stupid, but can let that slide. Until..
Arrested in 2010 for punching a bartender in the face. Oopsie. Anger issues? Maybe, maybe not. Not unless he does something like…
Arrested in 2011 for assault causing bodily injury to a family member.
You’re right, mean old TJ was probably just picking on poor defenseless little Cedric and bullying him. Terrible guy that Jones.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
He punched Benson in the head and he got in a fight with Rhodes before a playoff game
Not sure what exactly caused them but I just know that he did fight them…
And Rhodes, I don't have anything against him personally.
But he spends more time on the red carpet, TV, basically trying as hard as he can to be a T.O. media darling as he can, just not as successfully as T.O.
Don’t care either way, and don’t know details of what happened there either. But we know T.O. has been a huge locker room distraction, and it’s reported that Rhodes is too. But you know what happens when something is reported but you don’t know details…it’s almost like overzealous people go crazy with speculation and end up on a witch hunt. And I won’t do that to Rhodes.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I'm not exactly against Jones but all the hate on Baldwin really pissed me off.
It wasn’t fair to say all the crap that was being spewed about him…
by tomahawk44 on Aug 24, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but you're taking the "a second wrong makes it right" stance today
Irrational hating on Jones is as counterproductive as irrational hating on Baldwin.
You’re also forgetting the part from earlier about him messing with Charles. There are too many pieces left out to get crazy judgemental in any direction.
Best we can hope for is that whatever the issue was, it’s resolved and Baldwin will be healed up and contributing sooner rather than later. Who said what to who, he said / she said speculation and witch hunts are just plain Jerry Springer crap.
Y’know?
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
FYI
Jerry Springers name has been brought up twice in this thread lol Amazing!
by Rum on Aug 24, 2011 9:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Gotta speak the language around these parts
Better chance of the message being understood.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Cedric Benson was a train wreck, but yet the Bears shipped Jones out just like every other team.
There has never been another player like Jones. Productive on every team he goes to, yet every team ships him out the door. Maybe there is a little more to the story.
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by saskwatch on Aug 24, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Just looking at the facts….TJ has averaged 1000 yards a year for 10 years, yet was shown the door at Arizona, Tampa Bay, Chicago, NY Jets. He has been in a fight with 3 different teammates that we know of. His reputation around the league is that he keeps himeself in phenominal condition, and has a very high work ethic. With his conditioning and his work ethic, along with 1000 yards a year average over his career there has to be something wrong with him. Every coach praises his weightroom and field presence….so with fighting 3 teammates that has become public, one would have to guess that his problem is personality and team cohesion.
He wasn't productive in Arizona and only played one year in Tampa
Jones drafted by Arizona – has 3 moderate years (never topping 3.7 ypc) and is often injured, gets traded to Tampon Bay and they bring in Emmitt Smith in 2003
Moves to Tampa – spends 1 year (finally ypc picks up to 4.6), stays injury free, finishes out his rookie contract and hits the free market. Michael Pittman was their starting RB and a year later they drafted Cadillac Williams.
Chicago picks him up and gives him a go. One year after signing him they bring in Benson. Benson has contract and then injury issues. Jones gives them 3 good years and they think Benson makes sense moving forward (youth wins). Bad move by Chicago.
Jets get Jones in a trade, sign him to an extension and get 3 of his best years out of him. They released him when he had a huge roster bonus coming up and they were in talks with LT. Had also just drafted Shonn Greene.
So we have…
Arizona – wasn’t the starter, wasn’t a big performer, often injured – see ya
Tampa – wasn’t the starter, put up good numbers, contract expired and wasn’t re-signed – see ya
Chicago – Started, put up good numbers, Chicago chooses youth over productivity and gets bit, trades Jones and swaps 2nd round picks with NYJ.
New York – Started, best numbers of his career, NY weighs his age/mileage/contract value, parts ways and picks up LT as a change-up to the recently drafted Shonn Greene.
Don’t get all caught up thinking Jones was killing it in Arizona and Tampa. He really didn’t have a break-out season until he hit Chicago. Age, money, and a lingering youthful replacement helped close his time in Chicago and NY. I have a hard time believing that unnamed factors, such as a temper, were underlying causes for letting him walk.
by Ochophosphate on Aug 24, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You get right out of here with your research and your facts
And your Dan Fogelberg, your Zima, hula hoops and Pac-Man video games!
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
So...
So, if the Beers beat Detroit and Denver beats Atlanta in the American Southwestern Division East Northern, then Milwaukee goes to the Denslow Cup, unless Baltimore can upset Buffalo and Charlotte ties Toronto, then Oakland would play LA and Pittsburgh in a blind choice round robin. And if no clear winner emerges from all of this, a two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Eh, maybe 2/3's
Had to paste from about Baltimore to round robin.
I’ve failed you. =(
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
sounds like somebody has been
just hangin out playing nintendo.
Skidmark Steve?
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Zima, how dare you
Hula hoops, Pac-Man, Fogelberg sure… but Zima is where I draw the line.
If it’s a row you want, I will cleave you in twixt!
by Ochophosphate on Aug 24, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Teams are looking for flash from RBs.
Teams are looking for RBs that take a mediocre O-Line, that they’re too lazy or inept to build, and make it look good. Jones has never been that kind of a back. He’s more of an Emmitt Smith kind of back (although not as consistent as a receiver, as last week’s drop reminds us) – good all-around, tough guy, you can rely on. Stronger than anyone who can catch him. Faster than anyone who can muscle him.
I never followed Jones, much. Something I noticed, though, was a dropped pass in a Jets playoff loss, followed by the arrival of Ladainian Tomlinson.
I think he moved on, because teams thought they had found something better/faster/tougher-to-bring-down/better-hands. Nothing to do with attitude or locker room antics. Just teams thinking they found or needed to find somebody with more sheer talent.
would of ≠ would've
Every coach's favorite player? Is that why teams KEEP getting rid of him instead of KEEping him?
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by chief Stevie_k on Aug 24, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Effing media?
You know the Chiefs could have put this to bed the day it happened by giving a full account of what happened. This is an example of when being unnecessarily secretive bites you in the ass.
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 24, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
god damnit
i just rec’d a h2e post. never thought i’d see this day.
No.
But H2E loves to take shots at the KC front office. It is what it is.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
by TRSChief on Aug 24, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This front office makes PR blunder after PR blunder.
Might be time to hire someone from that overhyped MIssoura J-school
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
Sure, why not? If you're that concerned about PR and media perception
A good PR department couldn’t hurt.
Still doesn’t mean they need to go giving the media intimate details about things like this, though.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Teams that are obsessed with secrecy
The Chiefs have chosen their postion. Sometimes its benificial but it situations like this is detrimental.
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
Wrong
How is throwing a player under the bus a good thing? Please tell me how saying Thomas Jones is a prick and sucker punched our first round draft pick or Baldwins a Diva punk and wouldn’t work so TJ checked him a good thing ? Its not. Like I said my family matters stay in my house so should yours
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by Big_Chief on Aug 24, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you hear how Haley addressed it? Not exactly professional
See below on how it could have been handled
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
I am not a huuge fan of the secrecy, but I don't know how detrimental this is.
The concern is a locker room division, and quite frankly I am pretty sure that everyone in the locker room knows exactly what happened. The fans would like all the speculation to end, but I am sure that the players have their minds made up about Baldwin and that how the fans feel really doesn’t matter to them.
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by saskwatch on Aug 24, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree Completely
Addressing this issue with the meda by providing more details can only make one of his players look bad. No decent HC would do this. Better to address this with the media as a “family issue” that’s been handled internally. I have no problem at all with the way this was handled — sometimes we just do not need to know what’s going on in the locker room…
by Chief_Elmo on Aug 24, 2011 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
agreed Elmo good point
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Aug 24, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Fully addressing it would
Throw one or more of our players under the bus. There is no way Pioli or Haley would do that. He addressed it like he should. My family matters stay in my house. Your family matters should stay in yours.
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
Completely Agree
Doesn’t sit well with the media and alot of folks who want to know the details of such things, but I’m with you. Personally speaking. I get pretty annoyed with family members who like to post our family business on Facebook (does this happen to anyone else? Sheesh!). So, I am completely okay with how this was handled.
“We had a fight in the locker room between Jones and Baldwin. Baldwin came out of it with a broken thumb. Training camp is a tense time and we don’t think this is anything other than guys getting too competitive. We’re upset about the injury but these things happen. We’re dealing with it in-house and won’t be making further comment.”
Instead the Chiefs took the “I don’t know what you’re talking about” approach. Which one fuels further speculation, which one puts it to rest?
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
C. Neither
Because the media never lets anything rest. So you may as well keep it in house.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
This
HIV2E, what you posted seems reasonable enough and I wouldn’t have a huge problem with it either, but I think you’re delusional if you honestly believe that statement would put this whole story to rest.
Seriously, we have folks on here talking about cutting Jones now. A couple of days ago, we had folks talking about cutting Baldwin. Speculation will always be rampant in these types of stories. I think not talking about the story is just the best policy…
People started talking about cutting Jones at the end of last season.
I believe H2E has an excellent point. If they had said this a week ago, then today’s “new” information wouldn’t matter. Instead of it dying off, the story rears its head again.
That being said, I understand why the team is keeping the problem in house too. There’s no easy answer here.
In the end, my opinion of Baldwin has gone up, my opinions of Jones AND Charles have diminished. The rookie hazing stuff should be kept minimal and fun. If it turned into a fight, its gone too far.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
by Falcon58 on Aug 24, 2011 10:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i get it
but Haley doesn’t care about fueling speculations.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Aug 24, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Then he can keep fielding questions about it rather than addressing it head on
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
I'd think Haley would address it head on (with his back to the media of course)
If he hasn’t already.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Aug 24, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
How do you punch someone in the thumb?
How do you break someone’s thumb by punching them? That only thing that makes sense is that Baldwin threw a punch and missed or does not know how to make a fist and broke his thumb. This account seems to imply that Baldwin did not throw any punches.
You both have it wrong
Thomas Jones’ power level is over 9000. It was all Baldwin could do just to block the damn thing.
He didn't but the guy is definitely in the know
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by Chris Thorman on Aug 24, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I follow him on Twitter
He has all the news (and a surprisingly large amount of Chiefs news)
Twitter: RaiderHater86
Jones is a punk, cut him give McClain his carries
by FrankPitts on Aug 24, 2011 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Plus he was the least effective RB in the league over the 2nd half of 2010.
I’m pretty much done with Jones at this point. I hope this doesn’t turn into an LJ situation, where I’m begging for his release every week.
Except when he is forced to stay in and pick up a blitz
I shutter every time.
Twitter: RaiderHater86
what, are you a photographer?
Sorry, spelling nazi in the house. It’s shudder, not shutter.
i sea what you did their
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by la flama blanca on Aug 24, 2011 9:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I here you...
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
Wat?
"The Chiefs only won last season's opener against the Chargers because of the monsoon that night".........yeah because it only rains on one team at a time!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Aug 24, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Fale...
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
by SFLChief on Aug 24, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ralph Wiggum is made of rec
…and that’s quite possibly my favorite line of his.
Sorry for the interlude – you may now resume the waterfall of bad English.
by Ochophosphate on Aug 24, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Think about how Matt Cassell feels when he knows it Dex back there
It is what it is and we are who we are.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Aug 24, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
What are the chances this could happen?
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Aug 24, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Everyone is expecting a surprise cut....
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 24, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Well that's not much of a surprise if everyone expects it, now is it?
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Exactly. Like how nobody drives in Manhattan, because of all the traffic.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
E: Herm Edwards
because I like to blame him for everything.
Predictions:
KC will be a Superbowl favorite in 2012
by jmcgoblue on Aug 24, 2011 8:27 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Always a good policy.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I object!
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by saskwatch on Aug 24, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec
It is what it is and we are who we are.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Aug 24, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Them too
I’m convinced Herm actually comes from Canada. He’s yet to show a long-form birth certificate to prove otherwise.
Predictions:
KC will be a Superbowl favorite in 2012
I wish smith was there to defend Baldwin now and gran jones pecker!
by Rum on Aug 24, 2011 8:28 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Lets crucify Jones
like ya’ll did to Blount for his “sucker punch”
by ArrowDread on Aug 24, 2011 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That Boise prick got what he deserved
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
Do you ever add anything to the conversation?
Your a moron if you think our 1st round pick being out the rest of the preseason is good in any way whatsoever.
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
by Big_Chief on Aug 24, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
So if jones had talked trash to Baldwin, and Baldwin sucker punched Jones
Jones would have gotten what he deserved, and Baldwin wouldn’t be acting like a diva?
Except that when everyone assumed Baldwin started it, he was fulfilling his diva tag
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 24, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Show me some video of it like the video of Blount's, and I might be game.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
even with video people would still say that it wasn't sucker punching him...
it was a playful chin tap…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
Let's see Jones break a tackle or jump over a son of a bitch like Blount can
and he can punch all the practice team players he wants.
I bet that they were trying to tape Baldwin and Houston to Allen Bailey's leg and things just escalated.
This is a better scenario than Jones needing to feel he had to straighten Baldwin out for not falling in line.
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David Mims cannot be hazed, as everytime a vet runs after him to haze him, they mysteriously run right past him every time
David Mims wasn't getting beat by pass rushers in the pre-season games
He was simply hazing Stanzi.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
by TRSChief on Aug 24, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 13 recs
Sounds Like Thomas Jones
Is just like A guy I used to Work with. He had been At the company I worked for for like 20 Years. I was the new guy and he fucked with me relentlessly. I took shit from him for a little while but it got to the point of simply Disrespecting me whenever he could and trying to make me look like a fool. We were in the Lunch Room and he took it too far and in front of my boss and about 50 employees I told him he was an old fucking man and to stop acting like a child. He stood up like he was gonna do something and so did I, And told him it could go out side if it needed to until my boss stopped it. I never heard one word about it ever after that from my boss. Becasue he knew that dude felt entitled to be a prick because he was a vet. Just like Thomas Jones
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
Thomas Jones (shaking finger at him)
You know what, I think he’s been pissed ever since McClain’s train landed in KC.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Aug 24, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Then he ought to try for more than 3 ypc.
by bossmanham on Aug 24, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good thing he averaged 3.7
Steven Jackson averaged 3.8, Rashard Mendenhall 3.9
PIT should totally just cut Mendenhall.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I can cherry pick parts of the season where those guys averaged less, too
That’s why it’s an average, no?
Then there’s the abysmal O Line performance the last handful of games and all that jazz. But you’re on a witch hunt here, so no amount of pointing out the facts here is going to do much.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Read below.
It’s not cherry picking when you have such a large portion of time of poor production. Charles never dropped off, even with the poor o-line production.
I think I remember this one play ...
Where Jones averaged, like, -6 yards. Do we really need a RB who had a negative YPC average for that play?
Holy crap, you're right!
There was that one time a screen pass to Charles got blown up and we lost 5 yards.
We should never set up a screen to Charles again!
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
No one cited just one play.
You don’t have to be dishonest. I cited a whole half a year where his production markedly decreased. Guy should not have received as many carries as he did.
Hyperbole
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Dishonest hyperbole
attempting to discredit me by comparing my argument to an obviously ridiculous one. Done because I’m correct, but you don’t want to admit it. If you can’t argue, make the other guy look dumb. That the tactic here?
Nope.
You’re just cherry picking. The first half of the 2010 season he averaged 4.16 ypc (137 carries / 570 yards). That’s the first 8 games.
You look at the body of work. He was a solid but not spectacular contributor for us last season. His decline in production in the second half can be attributed to a lot of factors. One of those being I think he legitimately slowed down a step as the season wore on.
But in addition to that, our O Line got manhandled more in the second half. (Wore down as well? Stouter D Lines they had to face?) Plus play calling, in the home stretch, we got pretty conservative in gearing up for the playoffs. Jones was asked to do the old “up the gut when they expect it to chew up some clock” runs when we were ahead later in the season. That’s a thankless job, but a necessary one.
It’s short-sighted to just cherry pick something out of context and try to make a blanket judgement based on it.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I'm not cherry picking.
I acknowledge he had pretty decent numbers the first half of the season. That’s why I clearly said second half of the season. The point is he’s old and his production fizzled off due to it. Further, the point continued that Jamaal Charles saw no such fizzling.
It would only be cherry picking if I said his whole year was terrible based on half the year. I said the second half wasn’t good, and that’s a fact.
Also, I'd been a Jones supporter before this incident.
But guess what, he’s expendable. We’ve got a two pro bowl running backs who can split carries, and DMC. Don’t need a crabby old man who breaks our rookie’s thumbs.
Baldwin messin w Charles..Jones steps in
Thomas Jones has a man crush on Charles..but I like him defending Charles anyhow.
by TheKansasCityChief on Aug 24, 2011 8:39 AM CDT reply actions
If it was a fair fight
Baldwin should have massive reach advantage..man up lol
by TheKansasCityChief on Aug 24, 2011 8:39 AM CDT reply actions
still would like to know...
why Baldwin was beefing with Charles. That seems to be the key to it all and Charles did call Jones his hero on twitter after the incident. There’s more to this story but our only chance is for one of the players invovled to come out about it one of these days. I do think McClain could take Jones’ carries and do better with them. But it seems Jones is an important part of team chemistry. I hope the coaches know what they’re doing.
I for one am glad to hear Baldwin is not a diva.
He doesn’t deserve that label, and honestly Jones needs to go suck something for injuring our first round draft pick.
Oh, and screw Nick Wright.
by bossmanham on Aug 24, 2011 8:48 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I was the new guy on a football team
once. Superstar QB/WR made sure and let me know it practice after practice. As soon as I caught him across the middle I checked his ass. He confronts me in the locker room and I body slam him in front of everyone. Never heard a peep out of him after that.
Fights happen in training camp and practice all the time. As long as they can shake it off and hold no grudges then good for them. If Baldwin was standing up for himself then I’m glad he’s on this team because we need guys that have a little fight in them.
"The Chiefs only won last season's opener against the Chargers because of the monsoon that night".........yeah because it only rains on one team at a time!
COMEBACK
When Baldwin comes back & have a great rookie season all you Baldwin haters will be on his nuts & when TJ shut down in the 2nd half of the season yal will say he need to be cut… You guys are funny.
by Chieffanndonkeyland on Aug 24, 2011 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rookie hazing is so stupid
I woulda cracked Jones in the head with a dumbell
by theaction on Aug 24, 2011 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry, but am I the only person that internally frowns when TJ gets the ball?
DMC has finally found his part in this offense, and that talent along with JC is more (wayyyy more) than enough for me. I won’t shed a tear if TJ leaves. How many carries did TJ get last week?
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
Jones could actually end up a surprise roster cut
And that might be the reason he’s getting so many carries in these practice games. They want to see if the weight loss this offseason increased his quickness enough to warrant a roster spot. That might also be why he was running so hard in the Tampa game.
Predictions:
KC will be a Superbowl favorite in 2012
So many carries?
7 in two games?
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
guess the first game made an impression on me
seemed like he was out there a lot
Predictions:
KC will be a Superbowl favorite in 2012
all good. I think it's the same syndrome as last year
He was on the field for the first snap, so it sticks in people’s minds. First snap = took all the snaps = WHY DO WE NEVER PLAY JAMAAL CHARLES?
Or something like that.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Took a while for TJ to see the field.
I guess I was the only one that noticed. But pregame, Lenny Dawson said that the extent of TJ’s game time would be an indicator of his culpability in the incident. Suddenly his supporters on AP pretended he was not our starting running back and dismissed his non-start as irrelevant.
by electriclight on Aug 24, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
If TJ is such a great leader...
He should leave the hazing to the younger vets. He should be the one being cool to these rookies, creating unity. This is all TJs fault, besides breaking your thumb with a poorly thrown punch. I would have hit him too.
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
That's maybe the worst idea I've heard in a long time?
So you think the answer is to divide the locker room and let the almighty Jones divvy out the hazing as he sees fit? omg
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 24, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I appologize totally! I misread what you had there.
But I do disagree. There should be NO hazing at all.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 24, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
lol. I was getting ready to flip out!
Hazing = carrying pads, buying dinners/drinks, last in line for water breaks etc.
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
I look at hazing as...
getting tied to the goal posts and ice water dumped on you, getting icey hot in your jockstrap, being forced to sing your college fight song in your underwear in front of the team, etc. It’s stuff like that where it serves no purpose other than humiliation or cause pain.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 24, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Carrying pads, buying drinks, getting the donuts, etc.
are more of a right of passage to the league to me. There is a fine line there somewhere that doesn’t need to be crossed.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 24, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Well there you go...
Depends on what kind of hazing is going on. I can’t remember which Hard Knocks it was but they showed a rookie o-lineman with like 8 sets of shoulder pads stacked on his shoulders after practice. And he was taking it like a man. There is nothing wrong with having traditions with humility and respect involved.
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
Agree.
Where I have the issue is when it the old “I was taped to the goalpost with icey hot on my balls when I was a rookie so I have to do it to the rookies this year” attitude that is just idiotic and serves NO good purpose.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 24, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
The only way this is making sense...
IF…Baldwin verbally “sucker punched” Charles about his learning disability and Jones blew up. Baldwin breaks finger blocking Jones or throwing one (and yes, it is relatively easy to break bones in your hand if you.re barehanded — even if you know how to punch).
...the fair-weather fan seldom comprehends the value of faith or will combined with the requirements necessary of goal accomplishment: attention to a plan's details, personal fortitude developed from a consistent quality work ethic, and strengthening of character and faith, are all sweaty, time-consuming, attributes which "the sky is falling" fair-weather fan interprets as rain on their parade...
by Chiefs Fanalyst on Aug 24, 2011 9:06 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Who has the higher yards per carry in 2011...Jones or LJ?
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
I prefer Two Yard Thomas
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 24, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Did anyone watch LJ's interview yesterday (i think on ESPN or NFLN)?
It was very hard to watch.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Aug 24, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Why, did he run into the teleprompter and fall down?
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
by TRSChief on Aug 24, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
No. THAT would be EASY to watch.
over and over and over and over…
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 24, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Baaahahahaha!
Oddly, the teleprompter was 2.7 yards away from where he walked in. It was almost too perfect.
by Ochophosphate on Aug 24, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah. Same line of garbage he sold Haley and Pioli a few years back.
Glad for the opportunity to get his career back on track…glad to be part of the team… gonna give it everything he has…
blah blah blah
Hell, he’s just glad he has another paycheck so he can go out to the Miami bars and beat up chicks.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 24, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
He was quick to point out his veteran leadership he brings to the backfield of Miami.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Aug 24, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
That makes me puke on my shoes!
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 24, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
MOVE ON
It’s time for all us fan to move on & support our team we will never no the truth… GO CHIEFS
by Chieffanndonkeyland on Aug 24, 2011 9:08 AM CDT reply actions
It's the fault of the NFL.
Why why why has the NFL allowed hazing to take place for so many years? It’s amazing that I’m saying this, but NFL needs to adopt High School rules against it.
Get rid of hazing and put penalties in place if you do it and this stupid incident never happens! And we have our #1 draft pick for game one instead of an injured Diva WR that is weeks behind on his development and will make little impact this season now.
That pisses me off!
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
I agree that it should be put to bed but..
I haven’t seen one person man up and say “I was wrong” when they were bashing Baldwin last week. Somehow those same people are still defending Jones. Like I wrote in a piece a week and a half ago, how much would we suffer without TJ? Zero. Without JB? Different story. And Nick Wright’s twitter should be blowing up right now after he all but said anyone who thinks it was TJ’s fault is an idiot. Let’s get Week 1 here and play some ball
by Steve_in_RI on Aug 24, 2011 9:15 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Le'Ron's like in his mid-twenties and had double digit TDs in 2008
I think he may have rushed for a thousand too. Then, a guy named Ray Rice came to town….
I’d be more than comfortable with LM taking TJ’s load. He’s another guy that can do more than one thing on the field. Love this pick-up!
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
ummm? No Homo?
I’d be more than comfortable with LM taking TJ’s load
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 24, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
just checked it was like 900+....
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Aug 24, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Shrug, I don't feel any different
Some people get to poppin off at the mouth and just need a good ol’ fashioned passionate ass whoopin.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
The only difference felt around AP
is that no one cares if TJ leaves.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Aug 24, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Good for Jon Baldwin
being a tradition doesn’t make something positive. Hazing is stupid and juvenile. It’s a tradition any organization is better off without. Good for him for standing up to this stupid ritual.
MUCH respect.
new option...
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
by SFLChief on Aug 24, 2011 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 11 recs
I vote this.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I vote this as well
as I did not vote up top because this is how I feel about it
by Spiderwomn69 on Aug 24, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Sucker Punch
This is laughable and all speculation and really who cares. My only thought is this. I’d say if you are the one who throws the first punch that the other person would call it a sucker punch 95% of the time. Did you see the youtube that was a link on the AP sidebar this week where the one Kansas City fan got in a fight with 3 Ravens fans at the game last week. I’ll bet the Ravens fan that got knocked out would call it a sucker punch and it absolutely wasn’t.
The only thing stupider than the continuing discussion about this is the fact that I just wasted time to write this. God I’m a moron.
by Shevabowl on Aug 24, 2011 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The only thing stupider than the continuing discussion about this is the fact that I just wasted time to write this.
yes =)
"The essence of greatness is the perception that virtue is enough." -RWE
"To want to prohibit a man from error is to forbid him to fulfill his own existence..."
-Simone de Beauvoir
by KC Conundrum on Aug 24, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Sucker punch or not...
Jones is supposed to be a leader, and shouldn’t be starting fights with rookies.
by Tarkus on Aug 24, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
But not injured
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 24, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Also true.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on Aug 24, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay..........here is the deal
Sucker punch is probably not the right word to use. If it actually was a “sucker punch” then perhaps Jones is as much at fault as Baldwin. There is a really big difference (ask anyone who has ever been in a street fight) between a sucker punch and a well aimed strategic defensive pre strike. Suppose you are in a verbal altercation and someone shoves you during a heated exchange……do you a.) wait for them to whup you up side the head or b.) knock them on their ass. I opt for b.) every time. Hazing……..it is a fact of life in the NFL. If my entry to the NFL were contingent upon suffering some hazing, I would gladly grin and bear it.
"The Hammer"
JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS
When this story broke there were so many people in the comments talking about how Baldwin is living up to his rep yada yada! Now some more details come out and we here he didnt start the fight and he was essentially defending himself! Im just saying its really kinda amusing lol
by Modication on Aug 24, 2011 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
TJ is a dick
People forget when some vets tried to get Jeremy Shockey to sing and he told them to beat it and the vets got butthurt and started throwing punches. Same circumstance here. Baldwin is a grown man, you can only take so much downtalk
by RamX21 on Aug 24, 2011 10:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
No one knows what happened...and I'm fine with that!!
Just win me championships!!
POINT BLANK THIS WHOLE ISSUE IS RIDICULOUS…….#1. No one really knows what happend and all these info leaks and facebook ramblings are really heresay…..ive been involved in locker room fights and ive seen them go down….IN THE LOCKER ROOM ANYTHING GOES GUYS TALK ALOT OF SHIT AND SOME GUYS TALK AND THEN BACK IT UP…..WE DONT REALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPEND AT ALL…RUMORS ARE FOR THE TABLOIDS AND OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES….2 GROWN ASS MEN HAD AN ALTERCATION ….IT HAPPENS EVERY DAY….LETS MOVE ON ….AND WIN SOME DAME GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RAWKC!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by RAWKC on Aug 24, 2011 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Recommended reading.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Obligatory
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Winning the dame game can be good times, too. I agree.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Gotta love the AP double standards
Wonder what the reaction would be if Jones would have punched someone like Jon McGraw?
by ArrowDread on Aug 24, 2011 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Dude
You just like all the tough guy crap. Most people who talk junk are soft and useless. I would be pissed if Jones hit anybody on the team. It’s a low class thing to do.
Adults don’t need to throws punches. That’s what little kids do.
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by Flowers24 on Aug 24, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
McGraw's nah bad mon
he’s a bag mon!
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 24, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
WHY GET PISSED……trust me locker room fights happen ALL THE TIME….ALL THAT TESTOSTERONE AND SOMETIMES FRUSTRATION MIXED WITH ELEVATED EGO…..the thing is that if you have good locker room leaders the fights are over once the last blow is thrown….and there are no longering effects…………..
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C'mon guys, (if true) this changes everything.
1. The Baldwin Diva being put in his place thing — is he actually a diva? was he actually put in his place? was he really out of line?
2. The Thomas Jones as the enforcer thing — this makes him look more like a bully than a team leader, and I’m not sure which Chiefs fan wouldn’t be disappointed by that. Unless sucker punching a smart-mouthed rookie counts as leadership.
3. Last, and this will probably rankle a few of you guys, but…has Thomas Jones earned the right to be the enforcer? Let’s pretend it was a fair punch instead of a sucker punch, just for conversation. He’s a nice player, big guns, tough guy. That’s cool. But he’s not exactly Mike Vrabel or Brian Waters.
I might be way out of touch with the rest of you, but assuming this is true, this changes my opinion of Jones. I’m sure Baldwin was probably out of line, still needs to prove himself, and needed a good lesson. I’m just not sure that this was the lesson he needed to learn.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 24, 2011 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
This should have been the opinion before he even became apart of our locker room. They guy has gotten into some sort of fight everywhere he’s landed. Is he still a leader? Yup. Does he still work his ass off to the best he can be on the field? Yup. Is he a prideful man? Absolutely, and when his manhood is on the line, in front of his peers, he aint scared to put the questions to rest. “I am the alpha dog in this locker room. Period.” His mentality is infused into, at least, that running game, and that locker room, and I’m perfectly OK with that. Just like Haley, it’s going to be HIS way. And he’s been successful enough to have and enforce those principles, imo.
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by ArrowSpread on Aug 24, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry I'm late.
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by MtHammer on Aug 24, 2011 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd for hot + hilarity.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Waaaaaiiiit.....
I thought there was only one explanation that is certain to be true, and all others are false…..
don’t know sarcasm font….
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by KC Conundrum on Aug 24, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I cant believe after this happens
Everybody is talking crap on TJ, saying hes not a team leader. Just last week everybody was talking about how intense he looked in the Tampa game.
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by PUHD4life on Aug 24, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Shuffle's cents
1 – I can definitely see Jamaal acting like a punk bitch
2 – When I initially heard the news, a part of me had newfound respect for Baldwin SLAPPING THE TOUGHEST GUY U KNOW!!!
3 – As a rookie, no matter what, you still do what you’re told. There ain’t no Dez Bryant’s in KC. Only Arthur’s.
4 – TJ ain’t nothing but a preview to the Chiefs. Baldwin’s going to be a featured attraction
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 24, 2011 11:27 AM CDT reply actions
I voted EVERYONE.
Rookie hazing is gonna happen no matter where you go. Its just a matter of how you handle it then. Albeit if Jones would have started the talking, a vested veteran, Balgwin may have been more inclined to just take it. Charles is closer to Bladwin’s age and give Baldwin is label as a diva, maybe he didn’t really look at Charles as a vet. Basically all could have handled it differently thus all are at fault.
personally, I am so over this, and I am so over all the haley BS on PFT etc
haley goes to a concert and gets reamed by PFT because its within a few weeks of the season…Wow, thats all I can say. I mean…is it really necessary to make a story out of nothing, then take said story and make it about as close to bashing as possible
as for the fight. I never played college sports, I did in high school ,and saw, and participated in, multiple fights with teammates. It happens, it is what it is, but we moved on, and were closer for it. These things happen, you move the heck on
Id love it if we could focus on some of the other aspects of this team, other than who might bust, who is fighting who in the locker room, and what concert todd haley likes to go to. To add on to the haley aspect, the harbaugh thing was so overblown as well
Im just ready for some real football, and id love it if the team could come together as the “family” its not just haley saying that its berry, its flowers etc…lets hope one day it will be baldwin
but what am I worried about? Im worried about Flowers/Bowe/Carr/Gilberry ALL on a contract year. We need to sign a few of those guys before they can just walk free
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Not a big deal, but Baldwin in Better Light
if this is sort of variation of the truth, i think it makes baldwin better. If he really got sucker-punched, that’s a cowardly act, though, that in of itself doesn’t sound like TJ. Anyway, i guess if the hazing was over the line, i can see gettting testy to it, especially since you know he’s been getting an earful from haley.
Frustrating
Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles are both veteran leaders on the team. I’m sure Baldwin wasn’t being treated any different than the rest of the greenhorns. We all know he has an attitude. Hopefully, this is a wakeup call. Respect is earned in our locker room and having an entitled attitude will get you no where. I’m excited about Baldwin but he needs to fall in line and let his legs and hands do the talking. I hope this doesn’t effect the dynamic of our locker room. Doubt Haley would allow that.
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by bellyofthewhale on Aug 24, 2011 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm on Baldwin's side
The guy just wants to be respected just like every other male in the world. Thomas Jones needs to get a grip and not always step in on everyones business. So cheap to sucker punch a rookie and Jones probably deserved to get hit. If I was Haley, Jones would be riding the bench until Baldwin is ready to come back.
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funny how Williamson at ESPN has this as a source for fight details
Glad they are linking to AP but really it had to be for fight details.
I read all these comments about TJ
and wonder if it has more to do with his spot on the depth chart than their actual opinion of the guy. Would these same comments be made if he was #2 and had half the carries he did?
by bonesjackson on Aug 24, 2011 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You play to win the game
Not punch rookies
by Rum on Aug 24, 2011 7:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Sounds like someone might have some roid rage...
and some roid arms…
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by MountainManMike on Aug 25, 2011 2:20 AM CDT reply actions
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