Looking Back At The Chiefs, Rams 2009 NFL Drafts
by Joel Thorman on Aug 24, 2011 12:00 PM CDT
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PrintThe Kansas City Chiefs spent the third overall pick on DE Tyson Jackson in the 2009 NFL draft and the pick has been getting criticized ever since. But that criticism comes with good reason because Jackson has been an average player for the Chiefs -- not someone you think of when you think third overall pick.
It doesn't change the situation but it does make me feel a little better that the 2009 NFL draft was bad for a lot of teams, not just the Chiefs.
As a refresher, here's the top 10 in that draft: 1. QB Matthew Stafford (Lions); 2. OT Jason Smith (Rams); 3. DE Tyson Jackson (Chiefs); 4. LB Aaron Curry (Seahawks); 5. QB Mark Sanchez (Jets); 6. OT Andre Smith (Bengals); 7. WR Darrius Heyward-Bey (Raiders); 8. OT Eugene Monroe (Jaguars); 9. DT B.J. Raji (Packers); 10. WR Michael Crabtree.
You would think there'd be better than a 50 percent success rate in the top 10 of a draft considering teams drop hundreds of thousands (if not millions) into their scouting departments but this was one of those years where many teams, including the Chiefs, didn't have very good drafts. Bad years happen, I guess.
I do remember that year well, though. I was pushing for the Chiefs to draft OT Jason Smith, who went to the Rams with the second pick right before the Chiefs.
Preparing for Friday night's preseason game, I talked with our Rams blog, Turf Show Times, and I took the opportunity to ask about that 2009 draft and how Smith in particular was doing.
What a terrible draft class in 2009. Jason Smith isn't a bust. He's been a solid right tackle, and the addition of all around bastard Harvey Dahl at right guard should help him find the edge that most people think he lacks. Smith was the best offensive tackle drafted in 2009.
A solid right tackle --- with the second pick. Obviously you want top of the line talent at that spot but, looking at the other top picks in 2009, I'd say the Rams should be happy they have a contributing player.
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As weird as it is to say it, I think we may come out near the top of that draft, Raji aside
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Hey we could come out completely average and come out near the top of that draft.
And nah, not too soon.
Jackson looked good last year when he wasn’t hurt – and after he was coming back from the injury, though they had to ease him back in for meaningful snaps.
And he’s looking very good in this pre-season so far.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
i still think its too soon
i’m optimistic on him and liked him training mma in the offseason, but i still want to see how he does when the season starts. i won’t judge on preseason (see Battle last preseason).
Not similar comparisons though.
Battle wasn’t tearing it up in the regular season last year vs some of the better teams around. Jackson was.
With his performance in this pre-season, TJax is showing he can continue that and has built off of his development.
Battle wasn’t building off of anything, has no regular season solid performances to indicate that any continued solid play is a trend. Battle had one data point. Jackson now has several. You can realistically predict a trend on several data points.
I can fully understand wanting to reserve judgement. But I don’t think it’s unrealistically early to say it in this case. And Battle and Jackson’s situations are entirely different.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Why stop at 10?
13- Orakpo
14 – Jenkins
15 – Cushing
17 – Freeman
19 – Macklin
21 – Mack
22 – Harvin
23- Oher
26 – Matthews
29 -Nicks
Lots of good players were taken in the first round
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by craig in calgary on Aug 24, 2011 12:07 PM CDT reply actions
Mack is a stud.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I'd take Cush
Juice or not…he’s a playmaker.
Oh…and MAtthews…he’s pretty good too. lol.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Cushing is all juice
USC LB’s are overrated. All more sizzle than substance. Even Matthews you have to wonder if he’s doping
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 24, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Oher did look pretty good last week, but Tyson had a nice showing too. Regardless, it does look like that wan’t a great draft class and we could’ve done worse.
by Chatch McNasty on Aug 24, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Pioli took the safest pick he could, that could contribute
Stepping into a new team / new situation / etc.
It was a conservative pick, but one that I think will play out alright in light of these last two drafts.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Also, if you don't count the "let's hope Dorsey can play 3-4 DE" experiment
on the day we drafted Jackson there were zero players on the roster who could play DE in our new scheme
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Aug 24, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Splitting hairs here
At time Alfonso Boone was still a Chief
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 24, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Correct
That’s why, AT THE TIME, Tyson Jackson was the most logical pick for us. Second Guessing, Raji would have been, but we had Tank, who on film, looked like he could play NT, and Ron Edwards, who could be adequate there. We had zilch at 3-4 DE.
It’s also too bad that the Chiefs had their worst years before the rookie wage-scale went into effect. There would probably be a lot less complaining about Jackson if we were paying him what the #3 pick this year got.
by Chatch McNasty on Aug 24, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah. Sucks we couldn't trade out of that pick
But nobody would ever trade up that high and eat the salary that they were forced to pay at #3.
Glad that crap has been curbed.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Yeah, I think the new rookie pay scale will allow for a lot more draft day trades.
Could be interesting to see how it affects the draft.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
How?
He plays Tamba’s position
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 24, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
He could, he played DE at Texas, made the switch to OLB in the pros
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If Houston can play SOLB, why couldn't Orakpo?
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Houston played LB in college
he has been pass coverage skills an ability to cover a tight end. Orakpo is a pass rush specialist you want to keep on the weak side
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 24, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
been=better
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 24, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Houston was very rarely asked to drop back during the 1 year he played linebacker in college.
And I haven’t seen much to suggest that he’s that much better in coverage than Hali.
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Thanks Coach
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 24, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
What? the rookie Houston isn't better in coverage than the 6th year LB?
Cut his ass ;-)
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Ouch, torn Achilles
That sucks.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Sheesh
I don’t know if it’s the no OTAs/shortened offseason but these season ending injuries are just horrible this year. It seems like there is such a huge rash, I think Siler makes 11 or better players to have this injury (Adam Shefter tweeted 10 players with a torn ACL after the first week in pre-season). This is horrible for any player to lose a season for injury.
by Spiderwomn69 on Aug 24, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I would hope
medical science in the sports field could come up with a solution to prevent these injuries.
by Spiderwomn69 on Aug 24, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not an ACL
If you go to the link, the article says it’s a torn Achilles.
Not sure why people think every injury is an ACL. Completely the wrong part of the leg. (note: not you spider, just in general – mostly golfbard, though he may have just mis-read it?)
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
That sucks
I had high hopes for him. I bet there is a decent veteran let go during training camp cuts. They will bring another ILB in.
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by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Aug 24, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn, Prince Paris has been going to town on fools this season!
"Reject a woman, and she will never let it go. One of the many defects of their kind. Also, weak arms."
-Dwight Schrute
Too bad
We need some competition at SILB. At least it is a loss we can absorb.
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by Scaryclouds on Aug 24, 2011 12:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, I knew that class sucked
But seeing Joel break it down like that really put it into perspective. Wow! What a terrible draft.
In a way, though, if TJ turns out to be what Pioli and Co expected, it just highlights the genius that we call the Don
SEC no longer stands for Southeastern Conference. It now stands for Several Entertaining Chiefs.
I'm not saying, I'm just sayin.
by Backtozack on Aug 24, 2011 12:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Stafford > Sanchez
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 24, 2011 12:26 PM CDT reply actions
If he had the Jets O-Line
or even half of it – things would be a far different story. Time will tell the rest of this story. Stafford has elite potential, Sanchez I imagine has hit his ceiling.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 24, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
No beef with Stafford
would just like to see homey make it through a whole year. Just worry when its the same shoulder (throwing shoulder no less) thats alway messed up. Hope hes not the Greg Oden of the NFL.
No
He wasn’t at the age of 40 when he came out
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 24, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Seahawk fans believe they already have the NFL version of Oden, "Greg Okung"
"Reject a woman, and she will never let it go. One of the many defects of their kind. Also, weak arms."
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Literally don't know
Anyone been paying attention to Albert’s college teammate Eugene Monroe? I would how his development in Jacksonville has gone. I was pulling for the Chiefs to pick him
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 24, 2011 12:31 PM CDT reply actions
I have
I was man-crushing on him in 2009 like everyone was on Eric Berry in 2010. He’s doing very well for himself.
Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.
B Will on the AFC West Blog threw up a little tidbit the other day
saying that 6 of the 10 Denver draft picks from McD’s 2009 first draft were gone, in an effort to show how crappy McD was as a HC/GM. Although I agree that McD was horrible in the drafting capacity (i.e. trading an entire draft for a fourth string QB), I hardly think the 2009 draft is a reliable indicator. That draft class straight sucked for the most part. There was some decent to great first round talent, but it really fell off after that.
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We're missing one big difference though
While most of these teams “missed” in round one or could have maybe done better, they at least did well with their later picks. We didnt.
Chiefs after Jackson: Alex Magee, Donald Washington, Colin Brown, Quinten Lawrence, Javarris Williams, Jake O’Connell and Ryan Succop. And yes, I know that the 2nd round pick was traded for Cassel and Vrabel, but the actual people picked with draft picks was less than stellar in comparison to how other teams did.
Lions 09 draft after Stafford: Brandon Pettigrew, Louis Delmas, DeAndre Levy and Sammie Lee Hill.
Rams after Brown: James Laurinaitis and Bradley Fletcher
Seahawks after Curry: Max Unger and Deon Butler
Jets after Sanchez: Shonn Green and Matt Slauson
Bengals after Smith: Rey Maualuga, Michael Johnson, Jonathan Luigs, Bernard Scott
Raiders after Heyward-Bey: Matt Shaughnessy and Louis Murphy
Jaguars after Monroe: Eben Britton, Terrance Knighton, Derek Cox and Mike Thomas
Packers after Raji: ok Clay Matthews was basically it
49ers after Crabtree: ok their draft was terrible
Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.
Sanchez says, "I'm your pimp. I wear my hat ot the side and walk with a limp"
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
Man that draft was rough.
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*Dear David Glass, as a lifelong Royals fan, I beg you to please sell the team. You have always been the problem; you will never be the solution.
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