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How do you create a Chiefs fan? Specifically, a female...



Is it in your blood? Were you raised in Chiefs diapers? Or did you pick them to spite your dad, who's a Bronco fan? Maybe you just randomly picked a team. Whatever the reason is, you're still a Chiefs fan.

Myself? I was born in England, and when my parents moved to California when I was a baby, they didn't care about football. They didn't eat, breath, or even think about it. I remember watching Superbowl 34 with my dad at my neighbors house. We had put money into a pool, but had no idea what was going on. I was only 9 at the time. I remember asking him, dad why do they get 3 points when they kick it through the two sticks, but only 1 at other times? And my dad sat there as baffled as I was. 

When I was 12, my best friend had bought Madden. I still didn't know anything about football, except that I liked to run the ball when I played with him. He always told me to just push up on the joystick and when I got near the touchdown line to press square to dive. Eventually I persuaded my parents to buy me a used copy of Madden, and that's when I discovered Priest Holmes

Star-divide

With Priest Holmes I could actually beat people. I still didn't really know what I was doing, but damnit I could pretend. Madden eventually taught me how to play football, and my ability to use #31 helped me decide my favorite team. Runningback has always been my favorite position, so it was pretty much a no brainer that he would become my favorite player. When I was a freshman in high school my mom bought me a Priest Holmes jersey for my birthday. I wore that jersey every Sunday, washed it, and wore it to school the next day, win or lose.

As soon as I was old enough to drive, every year I'd head down to San Diego for the game. Most of the time we lost, but it's alright, a real fan is there no matter what. My close group of friends all loved football as well, and we use to argue about it back in high school, the same way we argue today. 

About a year ago ago my girlfriend of four years broke up with me. I had made her into a die hard (or so I thought) Chiefs fan. She watched every game with me without fail. She had just as many jerseys as I did. She even argued with men about the Chiefs. She was pretty awesome in that regard. When we were going through our break up phase, she dropped off a few bags at my house and left a note saying that it was for my sister. Inside was 4 years worth of Chiefs stuff. The tickets to the games we went to, the jerseys, the bumper stickers, even the lingerie. Needless to say, this pretty much crushed me. Out of anything that girl every said or did, this is what hurt the most. Apparently now she's a Charger fan, but I'm not bitter. 

Three months after our breakup I started dating this new girl. She's absolutely amazing. We don't ever fight or bicker, she loves to buy me sneakers and she encourages me to hang out with her brother and dad and talk about football. Not to mention she's smoking hot. Nearly perfect right? Wrong....

This girl is raised in a Raider household. Not ghetto by any means, these guys are actually loyal fans, and can hold a conversation about football. Their loyalty however has completely derailed her of any football whatsoever. She hates it. Which really surprised me that she bought us tickets to the Chiefs/Steelers game in November for my birthday. We're flying all the way out to KC for a few days, and going to the game that I'd kill to see in person. 

The only issue I've got is that she knows pretty much nothing about football, nor does she know anything about the Chiefs. I managed to get her interested in Matt Cassel's high school/college story, I grabbed her attention with the MNF intro from last season and I also had her laughing with Bfetts "Rage of Haley" vid. I lined up pictures of Jamaal Charles, Dexter McCluster, Eric Berry, Matt Cassel and Brandon Flowers and asked which one she liked the most so that I could get her their jersey (EB29 won if any of you were wondering). 

Yes AP, I was forced to bring the cutest Chiefs players into the conversation. I need some help. Most of you reading this are males (no offense to the females of course; I'm not that sexist). Assuming that most of you have a loved one that is a Chiefs fan, how did you help influence their decision? I figure I've already got a few points headstart seeing as how she spent a bunch of money on tickets to KC in the first place, but still. I need to get this girl actually interested in the game so that I can scream at every play, pump my fist for every first down and drink my beer without having to take a breath every 3 seconds and explain the game to her. I know you guys can help me out. I mean really....Look at this picture. Need I say anymore? 

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I feel your pain

When I was getting my wife a jersey I had to resort to the picture method as well. She picked Cassel of course. Now every time we talk about football she brings up how good looking he is. So I guess I’ll put that situation in the win column. My wife and I are also coming out to KC for a game in Nov, although it’s the MNF with San Diego on Halloween.

by wushox on Aug 23, 2011 5:28 AM CDT reply actions  

You should have heard my mom, sisters, cousins, and girlfriend when Stanzi came on during the Ravens game

You would think he was a supermodel. Of course they all wanted his jersey, and still don’t understand why I can’t get it for them…heh. They’re all the same! I thought about the Halloween game also, but I live near SD and I see them play the Chargers every year. My birthday is also in the middle of November, so I’ll be 21 by the time I get to see them play the Steelers.

by SoCalChief17 on Aug 23, 2011 5:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

At least you're in a Division city.

Out here in North Carolina it’s hard to even find a sports bar that has the game on.

by wushox on Aug 23, 2011 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair point

I’m getting Sunday Ticket this year. I spend so much money going to bars, eating, wasting gas, etc. I’d rather just wake up at 9:59, roll out of bed and sit on the couch.

by SoCalChief17 on Aug 23, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

try canada lol, nfl merchandise is litterly non existant, specially KC chiefs gear, worst part is the closest nfl games to me are buffalo and detroit 2hours away, luckily i managed to watch both games and both games where amazing thankfully hah.

by cansoko on Aug 24, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

My wife I think is an undercover Chiefs fan

She just makes fun of them to push my buttons because she knows I get worked up. However, my daughter is on the right path at 2 years old. She loves to watch football with me.

by Chiefsfan85 on Aug 23, 2011 6:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Man I can't wait for a kid

Well, I can, but I wanna deck it out in Chiefs gear from day one. My best friend is a Rams fan and they just had their first child. I showed up to the hospital with a Chiefs binky and bib.

by SoCalChief17 on Aug 23, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I suggest starting out by teaching her the basics of the game first, positions, penalties, responsibilities

Once the ground work has been laid down, and if you’re specific in using Chiefs players as your examples, everything should fall into place. My wife didn’t know “diddly-poo” about foosball 14 years ago, now she calls out bootlegs, playaction, off-sides, and pass interference with the best of them. It’s like any sport, if you don’t know what the hell’s going on, you wont enjoy it, but once you’re in the know, it’s that much better.

And knowing’s half the battle.

"Reject a woman, and she will never let it go. One of the many defects of their kind. Also, weak arms."
-Dwight Schrute

by severn58 on Aug 23, 2011 6:40 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Good idea, I think I'll have her watch the monday night game from last year with me

Just so I can point out different things. I’ll just show her Rivers passing ability instead of Cassels in that game =P

by SoCalChief17 on Aug 23, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know how ya feel brother.. My wife is Venezuelan and for her its soccer or futbol

I cant stand soccer. She watches the games with me but she doesnt get it. HOWEVER; when I took her to her first game with me last year; vs the raiders game she understood my passion and understood how fanatical crazy loyal it is to be a chiefs fan. She got into hearing about the history of the Chiefs and compared it to other teams. she doesnt quite get the game of American football but bringing her to Arrowhead will open her eyes. May I give 2 words of advice/caution

1. Dont take her to a biiterly cold game; she wont enjoy it as much

2. Stay relativley sober; it will give her a boost of confidence (trust me on that one bubba)

"Stay Classy Kansas City"

by Mas Cervezas on Aug 23, 2011 7:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Haha the two things you mentioned are going to be the two hardest things of my life

We’re going to the Pittsburgh game at the end of November, the primetime game at night. And it’s right after my 21st birthday! Haha, either way though, definitely layering up, and I won’t be getting trashed as I’m way too excited to actually watch the game and remember it. I never understood the guys that get wasted before the game and miss the entire thing…

by SoCalChief17 on Aug 23, 2011 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well a few shots of whisky will keep the blood flowing

Don’t drink 4 loco – I barely remember the season opener from last yr. I knew I was there but other than that- blur.. I’ve toned down a bit since then gotta appreciate being at Arrowhead

"Stay Classy Kansas City"

by Mas Cervezas on Aug 23, 2011 8:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

I did the same thing except it was redbull and vodka

It wasn’t my fault it was the “longest day ever” which equated to 8 hours of tailgating. Also ended the season on the same note except it was 4 loco that time around. It was a good second half to forget… damn Ravens.

by kc_okerix on Aug 23, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everything he said

Arrowhead will usually do the trick

by kc_okerix on Aug 23, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, you'll need a large working area, an assortment of parts, plenty of electricity ... and don't forget to add red

Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 23, 2011 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 23, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're doing a lot of the right things already.

Maybe pushing a little too hard, but maybe not. Be careful there, if her family are that big of football fanatics, it’s probably what pushed her away from the game.

I had this experience last year, though not with the Raider’s family angle. My fiance is from here in St. Louis, which doesn’t have a great football fan mythos. She was only eleven when they won the Superbowl last, and then fizzled once again. When we met she was mostly a baseball Cardinals fan, with no idea of football. But I was truely blessed, that she saw something I loved and gave it a chance.

I’ll admit, I had the perfect opportunity to spark her fandom. A new year which turned out to be the one which brought the spark of life back to the franchise. Better yet, I broke down and bought us tickets to MNF since her birthday is September 11th and mine is the 13th (the night of MNF of course). Ironically my dad got us corporate tickets too, so I ended up selling off the ones I got. So her first football experience was the New Arrowhead on the first MNF game in five years against the Chargers.

I’ll keep it short because I’ve told this story before, but I could see the seed was planted as soon as we got to the parking lot and she started reacting to the tailgaters. Now we’re both fanatics and going to the Bills game this year.

Back on topic, take great care not to push it too much, or you’ll end up watching the game alone and taking flack for it, like I had with my ex. If she’s truely interested in learning the experience from you, you’re taking the right path in getting her some experience beforehand. I have to admit though, talking her through that first game is something I really enjoyed. I would have rather done during one of the preseason games, but she had to work. Either way, it’s a great experience.

by Archyrr on Aug 23, 2011 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Ohh, and as for the cutest Chief's player bit...

My girl wants a Moeaki jersey herself. Though I think that’s more that we were sitting with his family that night than anything else. Having his brother predict his touchdown catch kind of iced the cake.

by Archyrr on Aug 23, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Going to Arrowhead ought to seal the deal.

My wife grew up hardly watching football at all (or any sports really), but after seeing a game at Arrowhead she’s a fan. It was a terrible game against the donks 3-4 years ago, but the atmosphere was still awesome enough to win her over.

severn58 has a good point too: help her understand the game. If you have the Sunday Ticket, Sundays at your house will probably be football all day, so you’ll have plenty of time to teach her the basics.

by KC explant on Aug 23, 2011 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Taking her to Arrowhead was what converted my wife

She had always just kind of been blah, and didn’t wear the Chiefs gear I bought her. But one weekend of KC barbeque and five hours at Arrowhead, and presto she’s a fan. She did try to get Succop’s auto at the game and still mentions him from time to time, but I consider it a good trade for her wearing her red once in a while…

"Me and Matt Cassel just fucked you up, dog!"

by nmchief on Aug 23, 2011 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Bahaha!!!

This made me spit water out all over my desk.

"My dad taught me all about the four seasons: Pre-season, regular season, post-season, & off-season"

by chiefschic on Aug 23, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

greened

Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 23, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

repeat even if NOT necessary

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Aug 23, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why dudes want to bring their girlfriends in to it?

Nothing more annoying than a bunch of females who dont understand the rules, talking about god knows what throughout the game. Guys, you can have a life without your wife. Grow some balls. Football should be your time. Not cuddle, hold hands time.

by ArrowDread on Aug 23, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Sound like a bitter old man in serious need of a slump buster

Might be time to hit up Orlando’s in da O

You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.

by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 23, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sound like a bitter old man in serious need of a slump buster

Who is craig in calgary.

"He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than a man" - Bill Shakespeare

by craig in calgary on Aug 23, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

we have our Jeopardy winner of the day

Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 23, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Broke the slump

with some dreadie, hippy chicks out on the west coast. Hairy pits and all. Some of KCShuffles girls…

by ArrowDread on Aug 23, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm flying in from SoCal for my bday

And this was her present from me. I’m not going to say no.

by SoCalChief17 on Aug 23, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had an easier time since my wife is Chinese and I was working with a blank slate

Before marriage she had to agree to 3 things:

1. Swear an oath to KC

2. Swear a blood feud with Oak, SD, Den, and Dallas (who doesn’t hate Dallas?)
She did the 1st 2 with no hesitation, though I suppose it should be noted she really has no idea who, what, where these “things” are.

3. She must watch the games with me, or leave me alone while I watch the games. No interruption of football will be deemed acceptable.
Since games start here at 1AM she felt that leaving me alone while I watched the game wouldn’t be a problem and quickly agreed to the last stipulation.

对的五十三个人

by BeijingKCfan on Aug 23, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Who doesn't hate Dallas

That made me laugh. Nice

"Stay Classy Kansas City"

by Mas Cervezas on Aug 23, 2011 3:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

this whole thing made me laugh

I’m not sure how she sleeps while you’re watching football if you’re anything like me!

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Aug 23, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Severn had the right idea

Start talking about the basics. The more I learned about football, the more excited I was to watch. I started out a Packers fan as my family lived in WI for many years before they moved. We always watched the Pack & Notre Dame (Catholics :) ) on the weekends. But I wasn’t really “into” it as much then as I am now. And I loooove my Chiefs! My husband is one of the biggest football fans I have ever met. It really annoyed me at first how important football was to him, but its just part of who he is. After I accepted that, it made it easier!
And he does take the time to pause the game (yay DVR!) and teach me about certain plays that happened, or what this certain position is etc. I will admit I am not the most knowledgeable about the game, but I know the basics plus, and I know the players & some stats, and can even get into arguments about my team every so often. I love that my husband wants me to be as into as him! And I love watching games on Sundays with him too…cheering for good plays, booing the bad ones, and yelling at refs when they miss a call.
But some females just won’t get into it like you want them too..its just part of their personality I guess! And boo for your ex for being such a faker. I am now a Chiefs fan til I die.

"My dad taught me all about the four seasons: Pre-season, regular season, post-season, & off-season"

by chiefschic on Aug 23, 2011 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

My wife never really cared one way or another about the Chiefs until about two years ago

She started to like them because she knew that I did. We went to the Chiefs/Chargers game and tailgated for about 4 hours with some friends, had a great time and then we promptly got crushed. But walking out there were so many Charger fans talking crap that she started to get pissed and talk back. Been a Chiefs fans since.

Three weeks later we were in Arrowhead for the Titans game. Experiencing Arrowhead sealed the deal because she saw the difference from Qualcomm to Arrowhead.

Always put her first and she’ll appreciate the gesture knowing how much you bleed Chiefs.

SB Nation Kansas City

Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.

-Abraham Lincoln

by BJ Kissel on Aug 23, 2011 2:09 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Good Job Bajah..

“always put her first” is def great advice lol.
I have never been to Arrowhead…hopefully next year we can make the trip! I can’t wait. Its like Mecca or something for me.

"My dad taught me all about the four seasons: Pre-season, regular season, post-season, & off-season"

by chiefschic on Aug 23, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks. I didnt want to leave when we went back

My dad and I went every Sunday when I was growing up.

It’s worth it, there’s no place like it.

SB Nation Kansas City

Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.

-Abraham Lincoln

by BJ Kissel on Aug 23, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same with my husband

when he visited his dad in KC he had season tickets…that is how he came to love the Chiefs.

I can’t wait for Arrowhead one day.

"My dad taught me all about the four seasons: Pre-season, regular season, post-season, & off-season"

by chiefschic on Aug 23, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

"brought the cutest guys out"?

kinda didnt understand why that was said but anyways, My take on it is that you shouldnt change her. It kinda makes it fun to have a chic that you can watch the game with and talk crap back and forth. My wife is a vikings fan so we have fun with it. Of course if my team went to the superbowl she would cheer for them and visa versa( unless they played each other for the ring then all the gloves come off). So I would just enjoy the 2 times a year your guys team plays each other. maybe do a side bet or something.

by TheScreenName on Aug 23, 2011 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Her family is all part of the raidernation, she takes no part in it

Hence why I brought out the best looking guys, she has no idea about any of our players. She just didn’t want an ugly players jersey.

by SoCalChief17 on Aug 23, 2011 5:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

A couple of things

Make her happy when the Chiefs do well.

Write informative posts on here and ask her to read them “just to see if she likes them.”

Give background on the players. Women love hearing about how Arenas went through a tornado, Cassel sat all through college, and Charles had a fumbling problem only to become a stud. They eat it alive and it makes them care.

Other than that… Just enjoy the game and wait for her to come to you.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 23, 2011 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not going to try to get my gf to be a Chiefs fan

She respects my Sundays and football/Chiefs fandom though.

I did get her to join a fantasy league though. Just something for her to do involving football with me. She has almost zero football knowledge. The very least I’m expecting out of this is that she will remember a handful of players from her team (hopefully she will be in a good position to draft JC) and the very basics of how teams can score after the league is over. Also, it will increase general awareness of NFL games and when they play because she will be looking for performance stats for her fantasy team.

Yes, I know that looking at football through fantasy football goggles (focusing on stats and individual performances) isn’t proper, but if it gets her slightly more interested and aware of football, then that’s a big improvement for me.

If she doesn’t like it or doesn’t care for it still, I will still have my football. No biggie.

by worc on Aug 23, 2011 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I grew up being a fan of the Chiefs............

as I got older and the Chiefs did better I became more of a Chiefs fan. (A nutty Chiefs fan actually!!) I missed the Chiefs only Super Bowl win because I was very young. My dad tells me I fell asleep…..sigh. I think it helps to understand the game and to find your favorite player. I learn things from you guys all the time which helps!!!!!!!!!!!

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by LadyChief on Aug 23, 2011 10:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Just thought of this..........

there is a blog for female football fans called Chicks In The Huddle They need some help over there. That reminds me I need to finish my dashboard.

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by LadyChief on Aug 23, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am lucky

I grew up in kc before moving to Seattle and meeting my fiancé. After two years of not caring about football too much she got slowly sucked in. I did not do anything except show her how fun games can be. We attended a few and then last year she started coming to the sports bar to watch and learn more. I don’t think you can push it, it may just come with time. I just snapped a shot of her in a mccluster hoodie, totally awesome.

by panoonan on Aug 24, 2011 1:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

womens jersey

anyone noticed that thier girlfriends/wife chose berry or flowers jersey? mine did. i’d have to go with the theory that thier last names are more femanine sounding/looking and that they would look better on a girls back then say gonzalez or thomas or cassell lol. thankfully berry and flowers are great.

by cansoko on Aug 24, 2011 10:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Transformed mine from a homegrown Patriot fan

to a rabid Chief fan. I had her watching the games with me on DirecTV for a year, then I brought in Mariano Rivera (aka the trip to Arrowhead) and she was in. She follows the players on twitter like they are her friends, but inevitably asks questions like “Did you see that silly picture Berry put up?” Still a work in progress.

by Steve_in_RI on Aug 24, 2011 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Awesome deal!

What a game to go to! Have you ever been to Arrowhead before? It didn’t sound like either of you had been. Just typing this gives me goosebumps thinking of Arrowhead. There is no question that Arrowhead will be rocking for Sunday night football! Get there when the gates open and tailgate. Your arm will get tired high fiving all your fellow red clad fans. Check out founders plaza. Get inside a couple of hours early to visit the hall of honor and see all there is to see everywhere. Cheer like a crazy person. Watch the clock strike 12 on big Ben. Most of all, enjoy! Be carefull though. It’s an addiction!

You Play to Win the game!!!

by Wichita Chief on Aug 24, 2011 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Never been to a game

Did the tour back in May and loved it. Happiest day of my life. I’m ecstatic.

by SoCalChief17 on Aug 26, 2011 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cool deal!

So from that you kinda know the “lay of the land” so to speak. Just imagine it packed with screaming red clad fans. You’ll have a good time!

You Play to Win the game!!!

by Wichita Chief on Aug 28, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was raised a female Chiefs fan and watched the games with my dad and brothers

The Chiefs moved to KC when I was 7. Only one other girl my age lived in my neighborhood, so I was a tomboy who played football and baseball (ragball if we didn’t have a baseball = rock with rags tied around it) in the empty lot across the street with the guys. We played football in the snow in the winter when the games weren’t on TV.
I still remember watching the Chiefs in Superbowls I and III in my red t-shirt and go-go boots (boo Pack….red tide drowned the purple people eaters).
My qualifications for the guy in my life included *must be rabid about football and if not a Chiefs fan, his team has to be in the NFC. I should’ve made stricter quals – my guy is from Chicago and a Bears fan, but it’s all good. As long as they’re not playing each other, we root for each others’ team.
Last but not least – everyone I know understands the rules: don’t call me during a Chiefs game, ever (generally not when any football game is on, but esp the Chiefs). My kids know they’d better be bleeding or on fire if they do. HA

I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...

by WorL4Chiefs on Aug 24, 2011 7:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Lol people know not to bother me as well

And if they’re talking head, they know they’re gonna get it from me.

by SoCalChief17 on Aug 26, 2011 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

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