Arrowheadlines: Chiefs News 8/21
Good morning and welcome to Arrowheadlines. After a day that saw the organization on the receiving end of quite a few critical stories, today's Kansas City Chiefs news is about the Xs & Os (for the most part). Enjoy.
With the No. 1 offense on Friday night, the Chiefs did not show a lot of motion, movement or shifts. They spent a lot of time in a basic offensive set, with two backs, a single tight end and a pair of receivers. They also showed a two tight end, one back set up. Maybe the only thing they revealed was the role of Dexter McCluster as the third-down back. He was in the backfield with four receivers, generally with Dwayne Bowe, Jerheme Urban, Steve Breaston and TE Tony Moeaki.Plain Jane Offense Struggles... Sunday Cup O'Chiefs from Bob Gretz
Palko completed eight of 13 passes for 95 yards and the touchdown against the Ravens. He by far outplayed the Chiefs’ other backup quarterback, rookie Ricky Stanzi, as well as the starter, Matt Cassel.
While Palko may not have nailed down the No. 2 quarterback spot, he probably improved his candidacy.
In Loss, Tyler Palko Strengthens Grip On Backup QB Job from KC Star
NFL attendance dropped for the third straight year in 2010, to its lowest point since 1998. The Chiefs routinely averaged around 75,000 through 2008; last year, they averaged 67,672, up by fewer than 200 tickets despite those renovations and a vastly improved team.
Through virtually every feedback avenue that exists, a growing and vocal portion of the fan base is complaining about the value and rising cost of going to Arrowhead.
Chiefs Need to Rethink Their Business Model from KC Star
The Chiefs defensive unit carried the momentum of an impressive string of training camp practices into M&T Bank Stadium Friday night. It looked more like a late-December grinder than it did a mild September evening.
Going against Kansas City’s first-team defense, the Ravens were held out of the end zone and punted three times in four series.
Baltimore Take Five Rewind from The Mothership
Right now, the base skill position players on offense were RB Jamaal Charles, FB Le’Ron McClain, TE Tony Moeaki, with Dwayne Bowe and Jerheme Urban at WR. When they went with three wide receivers, WR Steve Breaston entered the game, along with RB Dexter McCluster. Charles and McClain left the field. Several times they went with two tight ends, as Leonard Pope joined Moeaki and one of the WRs off the field.
Pre-Season Crab Cake Leftovers from Bob Gretz
"I think (Haley) said something like, ‘I don’t know about that’ and I understood that. I just said, ‘Preseason, preseason for the young guys.’ And he said, ‘OK.’ ’’
For his part, Haley tried to downplay any clash with Harbaugh.
"I just control what we do,’’ Haley said shortly after game’s end.
Haley, Harbaugh Shrug Off Post-Game Disagreement from KC Star
Pro football players Michael and Lucas Cox, both Red Land graduates, are the nephews of coach Chip Miler, whose son, Brandon, is one of the players. While the team was at the Mid-Atlantic Region tournament in Bristol, Conn., Mike Cox sent word he had the entire Kansas City Chiefs pulling for them, Miller said.
LLWS Notebook: Red Land Connection with Pa. Team from PennLive.com
Now, look at this season's schedule. Three of San Diego's first five opponents had losing records in 2010, and two have new head coaches (yes, I'm counting Leslie Frazier, an interim with Minnesota last season, as a new coach). They also draw New England and Kansas City, but meet the Chiefs at home, where they've beaten them six of the last seven times they met.
So maybe, just maybe, this is the year. It should be.
Another Slow Start for Chargers? After Lockout, Maybe Not from CBS Sports
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Going against Kansas City’s first-team defense, the Ravens were held out of the end zone and punted three times in four series.
by Chiefsfan85 on Aug 21, 2011 6:40 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Palko was outstanding. The way he fumbled the ball on the very first play was Brady-esque. He showed poise when he tripped over himself when attempting to hand off. He also hardly looked panicked everytime he took off when he saw his own shadow start to apply pressure, and some of his overthrows would make Joe Flacco envious. The TD drive was nice, but he did nothing but convince me i want to see Stanzi have a chance to do something other than taking two steps and getting crushed.
With your Stanzi shades on
I can see how you could write something like this. I suggest you take them off and join the rest of Chiefs nation in watching some real football. You might pick up the game better.
by 78Chief on Aug 21, 2011 8:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Another well written response.
I completely see the points of your argument.
How about we give Stanzi second- team reps and Palko third team reps. Or heck, let’s give Cassel reps behind the same line Stanzi plays behind. The same line that say him getting sacked split seconds after the ball was hiked (because that was his fault).
When you’re playing with junk, more times than not you’re going to look like junk.
Yes, Palko looked improved. But he’s been in the NFL how long? Been with the Chiefs how long? stanzi’s had a playbook how long?
Despite the lockout and the quality of the line and receivers he’s had to play with, Stanzi does not look lost out there.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 21, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dont believe a long explained response is needed....
I am sitting on an airplane and through my phone at that. I will be more than happy to comply with request though.
Let’s start out slow for you. I wasn’t creating a argument. I didn’t think I would have to point out the obvious Stanzi koolaid on this guy.
1. Bad snap bad exchange. We have a rookie snapping the ball it happens.
2. Palko was stepped on by the center. It was not him getting his feet crossed up.
3. Not one thing negative did I say about Stanzi’s play on the field.
4. Yes Palko has had the play book he also hasn’t played hardly any football besides practice and pre-season games. While the competition isn’t nearly the level of NFL games Stanzi did play a full season last year so he has reps in live meaningful games (as much as they could of been for IA last year).
I may have already lost you. Last point I am going to type out on this god forsaken phone is this.
5. He is a rookie!!!!!!!!!!! You have to earn that spot like everyone else on the team. Stanzi will be fine as a qb. I personally think this is a good thing for him to go through all of these blitz’s where he is running for his life. It was reported from training camp Stanzi was by far the worst of the bunch when it came to Zorns big ole ball drill.
by 78Chief on Aug 21, 2011 9:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
nice job!
hry … you’re Jim Zorn, aren’t you? ;)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Just because.....
You would like to see Stanzi or have a man crush on him doesn’t mean there is a reason to bash and make false statements on the plays in the game. That was my point. You know like the guys that wear sunglasses at night?
by 78Chief on Aug 21, 2011 9:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
On the play
I think your referring too when the ball was snapped then one second later Stanzi was on the ground I could say ya that was his fault. I could also say it was the guards fault for not picking up the most inside guy like you are taught. I could say Bannon was too far back from the line of scrimmage and should of scooted up a bit. I could say Stanzi should have called a time out. I could say an audible should have been called. So could I say its his fault? Maybe I can but I am not. Stanzi has allot of work to do just like the rest of the team.
by 78Chief on Aug 21, 2011 9:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You have repeatedly responding to the wrong person.
You originally commented on what topchief1 said.
And you just assumed that he (and now myself) have a man crush on Stanzi (as if Cassel apologists don’t wear them, no less!).
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 21, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Completely agree with this.
Stanzi should at least get the game time opportunity to play with the second unit to see how he performs, otherwise its unfair to give Palko the upper hand based on performance. McCluster made Palko look really good this week. Without him, Palko’s 2-minute drive for the touchdown ends in a field goal…. maybe.
I’m not claiming Stanzi is superior to Palko, but I think he will be. Palko is never going to be a starter in the NFL. Stanzi might be. With the Brodie situation fresh in our minds, I’d like to see what both of our back-up QB’s have to offer. Make no mistake, Palko is the more likely candidate to get cut in favor of another QB or to trim the roster for another position.
A nightmare of an O-line: Gaither, Lilja, Weigmann/Hudson, Asamoah, Albert. Ready to welcome a future Chiefs cheerleader to the family!
Palko's best performance, but I still do not feel comfortable with him as the backup.
I also don’t feel good about Stanzi if he had to play. I really hope Pioli makes a move for a veteran after the preseason.
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So, you'd feel better with a 0-10 guy named Croyle?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
No, but I would feel better with a lot of other guys that will be on the market after teams trim down their rosters.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
I felt the same way after the game @ San Diego last year ... alas, poor Brodie
The TD drive was nice, but he did nothing but convince me i want to see Stanzi have a chance to do something other than taking two steps and getting crushed
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
lol there were many
Similarities between the San Diego game and what Stanzi has went through. Nice comparison lol I hope we never have to go through that again.
by 78Chief on Aug 21, 2011 9:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Totally agreed. Palko really looked like he belonged out there...
he seemed real confident in his reads… he looked off the receivers…. stepped up into the pocket to make the throw and take the hit… and at times his accuracy was phenomenal. We keep forgetting Palko is the guy that kept Flacco so securely glued to the bench he had to transfer to another college to find some playing time. He was a real diamond in the rough when we got him, but the coaching is polishing the rough edges out and I’m of the mind he will one day be a seriously great guy to come off the bench for the Chiefs and not only fill in, but play his arse off!
hope you're right
I do think Palko looked fairly good all things considered. I’m still not super high on him. The real question is do we feel comfortable having him start 1 or 2 games. I’m not there yet.
And, remember, Leinert kept Cassel on the bench in college. Doesn’t mean I want him.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
As for the "Another Slow Start for Chargers? After Lockout, Maybe Not from CBS Sports" artical...
So CBS Sports thinks that a team that is known for slow starts, is going to start strong, after a shortened off-season, becasue they are playing teams with new head coaches? Gotcha.
The Chargers lost their ‘franchise’ player when Ladainian Tomlinson ‘bolted’ for the Jets, and have been in a slow downward spiral since Schottenheimer left.
2010: 9-7, Missed Playoffs.
2009: 13-3, Lost in (1st) round to the 9-7 Jets.
2008: 8-8, Lost in Div. (2nd) round to the Steelers.
2007: 11-5, Lost in Conf. (3rd) round to New England.
Norv Turner is not the answer and as long as he is the coach of this team, they will continue down the spiral they have been in since Marty Left.
While Turner may hold the Chargers back a bit
There will always be the likely chance the Chargers do great things with Rivers at QB. Having an elite leader goes a long way to consistent win totals, hence not being under .500 pretty much since Rivers took over for Brees. I don’t watch enough Chargers games to be completely sold on his ability to carry the team to victory despite their shortcomings (have my doubts especially after lady season), but I feel confident to say that Rivers has more to do with SD victories than he does losses
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 21, 2011 8:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Rivers is indeed an outstanding QB in the NFL.
However, Ladainian was THE “Franchise” and Ryan Mathews is no LT. Hate to say this, but if Ladainian Tomilinson was a Charger last year they would have gone to the playoffs last year instead of us (I am thinking specifically about the Chiefs opening night game last season…when the Chargers had 1st and goal with seconds left in the game; I doubt we tripple team Gates with LT on the field…one of the scores that touchdown)
The window is closing fast for the Chargers and I hope our Chiefs SLAM it shut this season!!!
Disagree with you on that one.
LT was great, and may still be good, but he doesn’t play special teams. The chargers would have made the playoffs if the special teams was not horrible. They had the league’s number one offense (I think it was okay without LT) and the number one defense. This is a QB driven league, and if you have a great one you will be in the playoff hunt every year. If you want to win consistently in the NFL, the best way to do it is to have an great QB. If you are a GM and you don’t have one you should always be looking hoping to find one.
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by saskwatch on Aug 21, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This season should be a good litmus test to your theory.
I think the Chargers are going to be on the outside looking in (again) while the Jets (lead by a ‘lesser’ QB) with L.T. will be in the heat of the mix come playoff time. Tomilinson was the ‘franchise’ player that made the Chargers a ‘great’ team, without HIM, they are just another ‘good’ team even with Rivers as their QB. All the talent is the world means nothing without good leadership/coaching.
part of a 3-Headed Monster (Tomlinson, Gates, Rivers) and yeah his loss hurts the team
nonetheless, Gates was having something close to a record year LAST season til he got hurt (I know this to be true, I had him on my FF team and he was half the resaon I won, the other half was Run DMC)
I’ll grant that THIS year will go a long way towards seeing what that franchise is made of … teamwise and coachwise
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Rivers is a great QB
But I don’t know if Rivers is so great he doesn’t need some sort of respectable running game have consistent success. Manning and Brady still put together division championships and win playoff games no matter their running game – I don’t think Rivers is quite that good
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Divine ... going from 8-8 (2008) to 13-3 (2009) isn't exactly a "downward spiral"
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Look the playoff losses
Third Round, second, first, and then missed the playoffs…in stepwise fashion
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
yeah yeah ... the Chiefs should be in such a predicament
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I'm confused.
Are you arguing just to argue, or defending Norv Turner as a good head coach?
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- MNchiefsfan
of course you're confused ... that's because you're not inside my head :-)
what I’m saying is it would be nice if the Chiefs were in the playoffs for several years in a row …
I miss Martyball
(and yes, I see what PV meant … which was different than my original point concerning what Divine said to begin with … get it now? good deal!)
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
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Used the same image as the open thread last night.
Did not read for this reason.
Try again please.
You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?
Ha!
I usually check the last few posts to make sure I don’t do that.
Too hung over this morning to bother and… Fail!
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 21, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
+Aged 7 Years
meh … who cares about the picture? (other than Mully)
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Aubrayo Franklin
A. Franklin sprained knee last night vs. Texans.
Does anyone else think that Fitz deal is ridiculous?
How can you give someone that much money who’s job depends solely on someone else
I would say
It’s the perfect example of a team doing what it feels it needs to do to make it’s fan base happy. Fitz is undoubtedly a top WR, but I think this is just a desperate move for the Cards to cling onto the one good thing they have. I want to say I am surprised Fitz took money over the chance to win a championship but they made it just the right price for him to make that decision.
by Spiderwomn69 on Aug 21, 2011 1:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I know, Ram ...
… he should get what we teachers make
How can you give someone that much money who’s job depends solely on someone else
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Ice Cassel only...
froze a few times in the Raven’s game, so it look’s like he’s already in mid-season form. The other two back-ups look like they they are ready as well.
I feel comfortable with any QB who replaces Cassel…good move on the QB situation Pioli.
I am here to answer those who mock me scorn for scorn.
lol
Do you ever talk about anything other then Cassel? Not once have I ever seen you mention anything or anyone else.
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Aug 21, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
He He
I have already read on a couple of websites where the fans want the Chiefs to sign Russell or Culpepper because Cassel sucked so bad in the Ravens game. Amazing how preseason games mean so much.
by Old-Chiefs-fan on Aug 21, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I just looked
choirboy, you really don’t say anything except “cassel sucks”. Learn a new trick maybe?
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
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by MarineChiefsFan on Aug 21, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought I said
Cassel was already in mid-season form. It looks like he’s picked up right where he left off. I’ve also said, “he can really take a hit.” I may have said he sucks a few times…but I’m trying to quit.
I am here to answer those who mock me scorn for scorn.
Defense wins championships
The defense looked awesome against the ravens !!!!!! If we run like last year look out baby! We are going to make this schedule look like cake!!!! Go chiefs!!!!
by beano58 on Aug 21, 2011 12:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Both backups...
Have me feeling pretty darn good. Palko looked like he could keep us in the game given a couple of starters. Stanzi has a lot of time and why not let him learn the School of Hard Knocks way. Good support would just make him soft. :)
Is there wisdom in keeping a lefty in the mix in Palko? Seems weird to watch him throw, maybe the angles throw off coverage a bit?
I really like Stanzi how he seems to be into the precise mechanics of the play like when Cox seemed to have screwed up that route and the throw was way left.
by JaySoy on Aug 21, 2011 3:11 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hey guys, what's up with Gaither
Someone posted on the Ravens site that Gaither was done in KC, but I don’t see anything here showing that. Anyone know?
Sounds like wishful thinking.
They don’t want to lose a good young player and him succeed elswhere. That stings.
by bamachief5558 on Aug 21, 2011 5:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope he does good and shuts up the other guys on my site.
I hated to see him leave. He is the same size as Jonathan Ogden.
not showing much
and lining up in basic sets tells me one thing. if both teams lined up in basic formations and coaching is taken out of the equation….we lose. 1’s on 1’s, no trickery, no stategy, just best on best in a high school type situation and we get pushed around. add coaching and strategy, we are better. add their coaching and strategy and they are better. end result? loss. sorry, but we still arent at baltimore’s level currently and thats just how it is. maybe in a year or two…
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
Thank You for returning to the topic of the above article...
And Yes…"Vanilla " is the flavor of the Pre-Season…What Did you expect out of 1 Derzhinsky Squa…I Mean Arrowhead Drive ?…

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