Chiefs Vs. Ravens: I Saw What I Saw
Does it take an egotistical man to swipe a line from Shakespeare? I don't know, you tell me. But I DID see a few things last night. Things worth seeing. Of course, given the fact that it was a meaningless game, it's tough to know if what I saw is in fact what I thought I saw while seeing it. See?
I should warn you, I'm going to attempt something different this week; a serious post on what actually occurred in the game! I know, I know, I'm not sure how it's going to go either. But I think I wore out the sarcastic side of my brain (left side sarcastic, right side sincere, right? I'm pretty sure that's how it works. Or is it the sarcastic bone that's in the elbow? Anatomy is not my strong point) last week so how about I try to write something meaningful?
I don't know what the rule is about pimping other guys' breakdowns, and frankly I don't care. Check here to see hmills give some great coverage on the early part of the game, and here to see BJ give us a snapshot of a few plays. Both are well worth the read whether you're a fanatic or... OK, let's face it, 99% of the people who will read this are either AP members, lurkers, or people who Googled "Chiefs". All of whom are fanatics. So let's just move onto what I saw.
Thomas Jones was not wearing a WWF title belt labeled "enforcer"
OK, I said this was going to be serious, and I swear the rest are serious (kind of) observations. However, I felt this warranted a mention. Apparently the Chiefs don't hand out title belts for veteran guys laying it down on cocky rookies. That's a shame. Of course, since we don't know anything about what actually happened, it could well be that TJ was giving Jonathan Baldwin a swirly and Baldwin was stupid enough to fight back (of course, giving a guy that tall a swirly brings all kinds of complications to the table, so this MAY not be the most likely explanation). No matter how it happened, I think teams should hand out a belt to the winner of training camp scuffles. Or at least play "We Are The Champions" for him as he runs onto the field. It's the least they could do.
On a side note, is anyone else concerned that it was apparently TJ who meted out discipline in the locker room? I guess I'm a little worried. TJ isn't long for this team (he's almost certainly gone after this year or next), and we need one of our vaunted young stars to step up and be that guy. Remember when Ryan Leaf was freaking out on a reporter and seemed like he was about to get physical? Ol' Junior walked up and very gently guided Leaf back towards his locker while standing between the two. Leaf kept yelling, but he stopped advancing on the guy. Know why? Because Junior Seau would beat the ever-living crap out of Ryan Leaf if he had to. We need a guy like that who ISN'T a year or two from retirement. Eric Berry, I'm calling YOU out. You made the Pro Bowl and were our best player in a playoff game. You're also a certified bad mother$%#@%. It's time that you made your presence more felt in situations like that. I want to hear things like this...
"According to reports, Jonathan Baldwin and Jamaal Charles nearly came to blows yesterday. However, things quickly cooled down when Eric Berry shouted something from across the field and merely pointed at Baldwin. The rookie then walked away, leaving Charles to continue being the greatest thing since toilet paper."
Justin Houston is going to give Studebaker a run for his money sooner rather than later
Just one game, I know. Justin Houston was late for camp, I know. Andy Studebaker is the reincarnation of Mike Vrabel, I know. It's just one preseason game in which Houston was playing against scrubs, I KNOW. But hear me out anyways, and then agree with me. Trust me, it'll be easier on both of us. Because I'll talk the ears right off your head until you agree.
Houston just played a stud game last night. If you look at the stat box you already see the two sacks. But he was also in the QB's grill multiple other times, and on at least two other occasions had any QB but Taylor "I can run like a deer" Tyrod (who I am convinced is Josh Johnson under a pseudonym) dead to rights. Need more?
He also was about 5 yards ahead of everyone else on our first punt and made a great play to cause that fumble. I've seen people giving Jackie Battle props for recovering it, but what about the job Houston did? He dove in and used his left arm to punch the ball out of the returner's hands. Just a veteran move by the rookie. Not to mention the hustle that got him into position in the first place. Need more?
OK, this point stems from the last I made, and I've seen others allude to it. But Justin Houston is a football player. He takes great angles, doesn't seem to fall for fakes, and puts himself in a position to make plays. Now that kind of thing stands out whether you're playing against scrubs or a Pro Bowl team. Andy Studebaker got absolutely faked out of his jock on a couple of play action plays (one of which is covered in the links provided if you don't believe me). I didn't see that happen to Houston. That does NOT bode well for Stude, seeing as Houston is just two preseason games into his career and Stude's been in the league for years.
And also, for all the talk of Stude's "measurables" and how his combine stats are every bit as impressive as Houston's, he just doesn't look as fast or strong out there when rushing the QB. On one play in particular (the incomplete pass that was incorrectly ruled a fumble, then correctly overturned), Stude gets nothing more than a love tap from a blocker before getting a clear shot at Joe Flacco. He then proceeds to take what feels like 3 full seconds to get to the QB, by which time the ball has been thrown (or "pumped" in this case). He not only looked a little slow, but he also took a "rounded" route to the QB despite the clear path. When there's no blocker there, you run right to the QB, Stude.
Hey, it's just one game, and for all I know Stude will look like a stud next week. But he did nothing to stand out that I saw. In the meantime, Houston was our defensive MVP.
Le'Ron McClain is going to make a difference for us
I'll only take a few words for this "Duh!" point. But as mills points out in his post (seriously, read it), we were actually GAINING a few yards running right up the gut, even in clear running situations. That didn't happen last year. Now, part of the credit should probably go to Big Jon Asamoah for adding more power to our interior line. But really, you can see the difference when McClain hits the line (with or without the ball) as opposed to our other FB's and RB's. Dude has power and even some speed. Good stuff.
Mike Cox is not a feature running back
OK, I put that in there to make sure you're paying attention. Those snaps when we had him in there as a running back were painful.
Dexter McCluster is back, and moving him to the backfield was a good idea
Hey, hey, who IS that guy? Why, it's the guy I remember from the Jaguars game last year! If you don't know what I'm talking about, go re-evaluate your status as a Chiefs fan. It was Dex's best game until he got hurt. It was also a game in which they were using him almost exclusively out of the backfield.
Let's face it, 4 runs for 24 yards and 3 catches for 47 yards isn't all that impressive. But... doing it in one half of play while seeing limited action IS. Being the key player in a two minute drill (sorry, Tyler Palko) IS.
If Dex contributes roughly that amount of stats per half this year, it's a huge win for us. He looks like himself again, making guys whiff on tackles as he drops beneath their arms (honestly, how cool was that play?) and making cuts that no one else can make. He also looks much more comfortable coming out of the backfield as a receiver. And VERY importantly, we can run similar plays to Dex and JC, which favors our line's style of play. He's just as fast and can make runs TJ cannot (the ones that require a quick burst through the hole or around the edge).
I don't think it's at all premature to say that Dex will rush 128 times for 768 yards while catching 96 passes for 1,504 yards. I mean, it only makes sense given his numbers last night. Right?
Jerrell Powe was, is, and forever will be, a steal
Bfett covers this well here, and a gif (or 4) is worth a thousand words. Those gifs are very representative of how Powe played last night. He is not someone that a center can match up with, just shoving Baltimore's centers back when blocked one-on-one. Even better, he seems to have a good awareness of his gaps and played a part in some nice stops by our defense. He looks good. And not "good for a 6th rounder" good, but "ready to help the defense" good.
Also, in BJ's post (seriously, READ THE LINKS and thank me later) he talks about Powe's hustle on a a screen play. He showed great awareness and surprising athleticism on the play. Awesome stuff.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; Powe fell to the 6th because of a down senior year in which he was asked to be a gap shooter, as well as a poor combine. Well guess what? It turns out his ability to be a gap shooter and his 40 time have absolutely nothing to do with his ability to be a 2-gap-run-stuffing-center-shoving-manbeast NT. Who woulda thought?
Jamaal Charles looks like Jamaal Charles, Cassel-to-Bowe is going to be good, and Eric Berry is great at hitting people and stopping them in their tracks
All short, sweet, and unsurprising points. You know what? I'm not even going to bother to break any of those points down. If you watched, you know. If you didn't watch, well... Take my word for it? I swear I'm an honest man.
We still aren't seeing much from receivers 2-5
Breaston and Urban didn't do much, and Tony Moeaki dropped an easy first down (Raiders last year, anyone?). I don't know what the crap went down with Baldwin, but unless Urban is 5x better at getting open during the regular season, he's not a #2 receiver. Steve Breaston is a proven commodity, but he's better as a slot WR who can line up all over the place and use his quickness. We need Baldwin to get healthy and get his head in straight. We're counting on you, Todd. Break him.
I hope at this time next week I'm laughing and shaking my head at my own (very slight) worry. I still like Breaston and Urban WAY better than our options this time last year, so for now I'm still cautiously optimistic. But if we have another week in which our receivers look constantly blanketed... well, we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
David Mims is a project, not a NFL caliber LT
Most know this about Mims, but I've been intrigued by the guy. Here's the deal with him, for those who want to see beyond the jokes: he's got poor, slow footwork. I mean REALLY poor, slow footwork. Any speed rusher or even average guy performing a stunt is going to go right around him at this point. However... once he gets his hands on a guy, he absolutely stonewalls him. In his tracks. It's kind of cool to see, actually.
Frankly, I don't see "stud LT" in his future. RT? If he gets about 3x better with his footwork, he could be an animal at that position. I won't hold my breath.
Last but not least, Thomas Jones looks pretty good right now
I'm not going to back off my assertion that TJ needs to get fewer carries this year. He does. With Dex and McClain getting some backfield duties, it'd be stupid to not lighten his load. But as of right now, he looks pretty decent. He showed the speed to get to the outside (barely, but still), which is good news. He also showed a little burst and agility on his runs. He's not JC (who is?), but he doesn't seem to be running in molasses like he was at the end of last year.
This just screams "keep me fresh and I'll make an impact!" to me. I think if we keep his carries limited, we'll see this version of TJ all year as opposed to just the first half. 10 carries a game seems about right to me. Keep him looking good, Todd!
I could go on, but like I said, you'll find other breakdowns at the links I provided (and that were front paged as well). Read them! Do as I command! Kneel before Doom! Pretty please?
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You didn't see Tyrod juke Houston out of his shoes
when he ran in for the TD?
by RamX21 on Aug 20, 2011 12:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
He did get juked by Tyrod on that TD run.
It’s surprising just how athletic the guy looks out there though. He’s ubiquitous out there.
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I still think he was confused by the fake and came in too flat
They can fix that with some coaching…
Props to Tyrod--that was a hell of a move.
Would have fooled many vet backs.
Houston is a rookie with a big sky ceiling.
Who cares?
That dude is a freak. Any other QB and that’s Houston’s 3rd sack.
by LTownChiefsFan on Aug 20, 2011 12:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
yep.. not too often you deal with the scrambling QB, if you do, he may just end up turtling and throwing a darn pick there
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I wasn't bashing Houston
you obviously didn’t know what I was referring to, so why comment. Another case of someone trying to make a point when there is no point to be made
by RamX21 on Aug 20, 2011 1:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I knew exactly what you were referring to
I never said you were bashing Houston. Bit defensive are we? Someone needs to step away and take a break.
by LTownChiefsFan on Aug 20, 2011 1:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Touche
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 20, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Overall he played really well
but when u said Studie got juked out of his jock and that didn’t happen to Houston that play popped in my head. I actually laughed when it happened
by RamX21 on Aug 20, 2011 1:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I see those plays as different
Stude bit on a play fake. Houston got beat athletically. Very different.
I meant I didn’t see Houston bite on a play fake so hard. I probably should’ve said it like that…
I laughed at that play too BTW. I thought JJ would be the most athletic QB we’d see all year, but that tyrod guy should be a RB or WR for sure.
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Heard that Pryor ran a 4.36 today. Ridiculous.
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
Good God
That’s insane. I’ve never actually seen him play. Can he throw the ball or is he Marcus Vick?
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 21, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
He's really fast.
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He had a few mistakes out there no doubt
But for being only his second pro game in a shortened off-season he did pretty damn great. I remember at least a couple of plays were Huston was the only one to notice the play action/.fake/ etc. and helped/single handed bust the play.
We’ll see how he progresses, but for now he is looking pretty damn awesome. The “bold prediction” of Huston having more sacks than Von Miller may not be so crazy.
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Very true, but
teams have run the bootleg on the Chiefs for years with unopposed success. I don’t know if it is something in the BBQ, but we just can’t stop that play. If I were coaching a team, I would run a bootleg 2 out of 3 plays against us. It doesn’t matter what players or coaches we have, our guys can’t see it coming.
IMO, they were MUCH more disciplined against the bootleg last year.
I think it’ll get ironed-out, and by the time all the wrinkles disappear, #96 remains the backup to somebody(ies) else.
would of ≠ would've
If he keeps it up, it'll be Houston
Bank on it.
(Didn’t that sound nice and dramatic at the end?)
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Kinda like explaining a joke, huh
Next time, I’ll get it right.
Bank on it.
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How true!
This is since Elway’s days. When ever I see us sniff out a bootleg I get a little smile.
You Play to Win the game!!!
by Wichita Chief on Aug 20, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Even the great DT got juked a few times...
A monster pass rusher is going to pester a QB like a fly at a summer picnic, and pound him like a meat mallet. If the QB has to keep juking and dodging him, it’s going to be difficult to make pass plays…and don’t forget, Hali wasn’t on the other end of the line when Houston was in there. Bookend pass rushers is a terrifying thought – if you’re not a Chief!
by David Winton on Aug 21, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
this is his second game
The athleticism is there, the hits are there, what can you expect with his total training time in the NFL. He has great potential.
I saw what you saw
Great article. Agree with everything including Houston, he was making coming off the edge look incredibly easy. He’d eat Orton and Rivers for lunch.
by DeuceDouglas on Aug 20, 2011 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He does a good job turning the corner
And what I love is that he seems to have no trouble handling RBs. He easily sidesteps them. Very encouraging stuff.
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Did Gaither play last night?
I didn’t get a chance to watch the game and was wondering if anyone sat out, or did everyone play a bit? If Gaither played, how did he look? Anyone know how serious the injury to Albert seemed?
Thanks for the input.
Gaither didn't play
And someone asked McClain on twitter how Albert was after the game. He said, and I quote,
@MikieB3: @LeRon_McClain44 — ps I went to high school with #76 Albert. Is he okay??" great right behind me on the bus
Someone else's knee caused a bit of a head issue.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
For Albert Yes....
Aug. 19, 2011 8:34 p.m. – by Jason Butt – OT Albert shaken up
OT Branden Albert walked off the field under his own power after an injury. On the sideline, a trainer is tested him for concussion-like symptoms. Chiefs RapidReports
For Gaither it was his knee… and didn’t play as a result
Aug. 19, 2011 7:20 p.m. – by Jason Butt – Gaither, O’Callaghan out for Chiefs
OT Jared Gaither (right knee) and OT Ryan O’Callaghan (undisclosed) are not dressed for Friday night’s game against Baltimore. For Gaither, he will not play against his former team. Gaither has missed three of the last five Kansas City practices. Chiefs RapidReports
Go Chiefs!!!!
Awesome!
That was the perfect post because I never get to see the Chiefs preseason games because of work and I live in Denver. I also wanted to know how Gaither looked. It’s also worth pointing out I am always on this site and never respond. This post made me want to.
Well thanks
And Gaither did not play, at least not that I saw.
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 20, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Conditioning
Houston was a beast last night, BUT for some reason he somewhat dissapearred. I not saying he completely fell off, but I think his lack of conditioning did show.
Lost confidence? Overly cautious for fear of being juked again? Just tired?
Could be any of the above.
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 20, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully it was because he was a little gassed, cuz that can be fixed. Hopefully his confidence isn’t shaken that easily….
Gassed
He knows Taylor is just an exceptional athelete, plus remember when Houston got to camp they said his conditioning wasn’t where it should’ve been, so I’m sure he’s still working it up
Yes. Likely the effect of ALL those plays was cumulative.
Cool thing is, I think the KC offense will be giving the D more rest, AND there’s one or two guys (Sheff, Miller, Stude) who can give Houston a breather in regulation games.
Did anybody here think Gilberry looked pretty meh?
would of ≠ would've
I did
I saw your post, and it seems like you were impressed by Dorsey/Jackson. So was I. Didn’t see much out of Gilberry.
I think we may have placed too high of expectations on a guy who had 4 sacks in 15 games last year. Take out STL and he had a very meh kinda year.
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Well, we at least got to see #71 and #92 lined up, together inside, yesterday.
I think Gilberry still will make the final cut, but it’s going to be a close call, with or without his contract.
would of ≠ would've
I doubt he gets cut
But I’d like to see more pressure from him for sure.
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4 sacks in 15 games gives him a "meh" kind of year?
How does 4 sacks in 47 games sound? Pretty “meh” yeah that’s been Dorseys career. I know, I know, sacks aren’t 3-4 blah blah blah….then why say Gilberrys sack total?
Gilberry’s “meh” season as far as sacks are concerned are far more impressive than Doesey and Jackson’s careers combined
Gilberry: 11.5 sacks in 37 games.
Jackson and Dorsey: 75 games….5 sacks. 5, yes…in 75 games….pretty “meh”
Chiefs Might
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 21, 2011 3:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Because Gilberry has been used specifically in a pass rusher role
And Dorsey has been used to anchor the end in the base D?
That’d be my guess.
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I'll give you a hint
And it rhymes with “Pickle pee-fence lass mush kecialist”
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 21, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's entertainment right there.
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The DE's in a 3-4 aren't there to sack
they have a lot of responsibility, getting to the quarterback isn’t one of them, stopping a sweep to their side or a run between the tackle and the guard is, you rush your defensive ends playing a 3-4 defense and it is going to open up a lot for the opposing offense, then we’d all be ripping Dorsey.
Yes.
I wonder if he was using this game to practice 2-gapping?
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
Great post!
I love your hypothetical situation with Berry laying down the law between Charles and Baldwin :)
I hope he steps into that kind of role soon
He’s perfect for it.
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 20, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not looking to Berry, per se.
I just think that high-character guys from humble beginnings are great to have in your outfit.
would of ≠ would've
Stanzi had some nice throws
I saw a few drops that hit receivers in the hands. I believe he went 6 for 12
cassel went 6 for 14 and his throws were not as accurate it seemed
However, stanzi made a few rookie mistakes. need to throw it away instead of running out of bounds and has to see the blitz coming. Excited for stanzi. future QB Controversy?
what just happened?
by ArrowheadHunter on Aug 20, 2011 12:26 PM CDT reply actions
I'm excited about Stanzi
In a few years he could be a quality QB.
by LTownChiefsFan on Aug 20, 2011 12:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought Cassel looked relatively accurate
He had several drops from receivers too, the one by Moeaki standing out the most of course. I love Stanzi and he did fine for not having any protection but Palko looked solid unlike every other time we’ve ever seen him ever.
Yeah he looks ok.
I think he just needs to work on his confidence a bit. It would help if our o line can start to mesh a bit better.
by bossmanham on Aug 20, 2011 12:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
cassel also made some great throws...seriously great throws...those passes to bowe...some of those you just cant defend
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Team Colquitt
Actually what I liked is that he threw into tight coverage...
Seems that he is building a little more confidence in Bowe. Now if his other receivers can do the same. I thought Tucker’s route running looked greatly improved from last season. Hopefully he can continue to improve… Colbert looked pretty good in the situations that I saw.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Excellent point.
This could be a MAJOR turning point for this offense. Having a couple-few WRs who turn those tie balls into wins for the good guys AND prevent the defender from picking-off can make a HUGE difference in how tough this offense will be to stop and in the W-L column.
would of ≠ would've
Different quality of coverage
when Cassel was in the coverage was blanketed (and Pass Interference) Stanzi had more room to work with, but I agree, when he was able to step into his throws he looked good
I don't see it
I saw Stanzi make just as many poor throws against far inferior competition. Cassel had a couple of guys drop easy ones as well.
Neither played all that impressively. But the throws Cassel made were tougher than the ones Stanzi made.
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Even so
Cassel didn’t have defenders in his face before he could make a 3 step drop…I give kudos to the kid for stepping up and throwing some nice balls knowing he was going to get pounded. It would be interesting to see him on a couple of series behind the #1 line.
It would, I'm sure
But then he’d also be facing #1 defenses. Our pass protection in all groups was blah, which is kinda to be expected against the Ravens.
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A lot of talk about new players and the difference they're making.
And Cassel is the guy who has to change his game/thinking or game-thinking more than ANYbody. It’s almost like bringing in a new QB, all over again. I’m GLAD to see him trying to force some throws into tighter areas. This is a sign that KC intends to bring COMPLETE game in 2011, and Cassel’s sharpening his bayonet for the charge after the musket volley.
would of ≠ would've
I agree
I loved those throws to Bowe. It showed that even with great coverage Cassel and Bowe can make it happen.
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I think we kind of take for granted how strong Bowe is physically
Especially matched up against most DB’s.
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And he was matched up against 2011 draft's #1 CB.
Bowe looks quicker and more explosive out of the blocks, this year. We’ll see if he can more regularly get good separation. Yes, he will fight for the ball, but the next development for HIM is getting separation so he doesn’t HAVE to fight for every fuckin’ ball.
would of ≠ would've
I agree. I love how he knocks CB's to the ground with one arm
He did it after his second reception, and you could see the shock in the rook’s body language.
“He just knocked me on my tail with ONE ARM!”
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Agree with 99%
and maybe the 1% I don’t agree with is just because I can’t get over that Studebaker Steelers game a couple of years ago. With Flacco the possibility of him running isn’t too great, but I would suggest that Stude ‘rounding’ in was to keep contain? But maybe I’m just making excuses for him.
by Calabaloo on Aug 20, 2011 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
Best username ever!
by LTownChiefsFan on Aug 20, 2011 12:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Dammit. There went my petition to have my username changed.
Bloody thieves. =(
(well done)
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That was my first thought on the "rounding off" comment, as well, but I'll have to look at it, again.
Studie’s biggest plays last year that I remember basically amounted to him dropping to a prescribed area and then making the catch when the ball came to HIM. He got lots of props for those couple of picks, but other than making the uncharacteristic-for-a-LB CATCH, there was really nothing spectacular about those picks. Run-backs are all gravy, and LBs are NOT selected for their ability to run with the ball, anyhoo.
would of ≠ would've
good stuff, MN ... honest
I even read every word, I swear I did … fortunately it’s shorter than Aiken’s typical War & Peace length diatribes so it was easier to wade thru (grin) …
you did a great job of highlighting the positives … and nice job of being honest about the WR’s (this could be tough for Cassel again for awhile)
and personally, I’m glad they have TJ around … there’s a reason they brought him in (the whole work ethic thing) and keep him … sure it might have been cool for and Eric Berry “look” but if that’s not enough, and maybe Berry DID give him “the look” for all we know … regardless, I’m with TJ on this one … just hope Baldwin gets his head straight sooner rather than later because it surely appears as if Cassel is gonna need someone out there besides Bowe (I know, another “duh!” moment)
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Looking for WRs to get cut by other teams
Behind Bowe, Baldwin and Breaston, our WR depth is pretty weak. Some of our younger guys need to start stepping up or we can look for players who get cut by other teams. I think the Redskins drafted 3 WRs but only have 1 or 2 spots on the roster for them.
by Chiefs4Life on Aug 20, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Think Tucker has always looked okay
He definitely played pretty well last night.. and he has shown some real flashes before. Would definitely like to see more from Horne who the team seems to love.
Horne looked promising last preseason
but I haven’t seen much of him this year.
That stat is correct
but I remember him catching my eye running his routes and at least making defenders pay attention to him. That was “promising” for a UDFA in his rookie season. After a year of training at the pro level, the expectations should be set much higher.
Yeah, I would hope for at least two catches this preseason.
I don’t get this guy’s cult status here. I guess it’s because he’s fast.
Well last pre-season he was getting great separation, even if the throws weren't coming his way.
I won’t vouch for his ability to go up and just snatch a ball down like a big strong guy like Baldwin can. But he ran pretty good routes and got himself way open on sheer athleticism last pre-season.
Maybe if the throws went his way he still wouldn’t have caught them. But it would have been nice to see us try to burn some defenses deep when he was getting open like that.
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He's fast, maneuverable, with natural ball skills (for the most part).
If the rawness wears off, I think a lot of us think the talent is there, underneath.
But as for “all the love for Horne,” I feel like I’m the main one talking him up (guardedly), here. It’s just that I com so much (Less, now that school’s starting, you’ll be pleased to learn) that it SEEMS like a lot of people have gushed over him, when really it’s just the one guy repeating the Big Lie enough times that it permeates the consciousness.
would of ≠ would've
could see that however that would take multiple things
they would have to play special teams, since copper and tucker would be the ones beat out
they would have to beat out some coach favs…Tucker,Horne…I think they both get cut unless tucker plays well the next 2 games….horne to me is just waiting for his cut….but for someone to come in, it would have to be someone Todd is already comfortable with, someone he already coached.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Thanks ups
I focused on the positives because hey, I’m a sunny guy :)
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What I saw
The biggest improvement at any single position this year will be our NT play with Gregg in there. He was incredible at sealing holes in the run game. Perfect technique and the strength to make it count.
by WURoyal on Aug 20, 2011 12:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Guy is a pro's pro.
He’s anchored possibly the most formidable defense of the last decade. He knows how to get it done.
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Agreed!
With Gregg as our starter and Powe as his back-up, we are in a much better position than at any time last year. I’m just hoping Powe really absorbs Gregg’s work ethic and game experiences and escalates his play, the future could be bright for a spot that’s been a problem for several years.
Gregg is a great guy for Powe
Who seems to be full of effort and eager to get better. Great pairing.
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I really think Powe might be the most coachable player on the team.
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
Very true
I think it’s ridiculous that some said it was an even swap, Edwards for Gregg. Gregg’s a superior NT, both in strength and technique.
If Powe keeps looking like he did last night we’ll have a good sub as well.
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berry gets it though, yesterday they asked him about the situation. whats his response?
something along the lines of “it stays in the familly”
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Did you see Charles Tweet?
I wonder if Haley is upset with it.
The 'real talk' tweet?
I bet Haley loves it. No question Thomas Jones has a great work ethic and appears to be a stand up guy. Regardless of the situation with Baldwin, Charles looking up to and learning from Jones is definitely a good thing. No one wants locker room fights, especially one that ends up with a player injured, but if Jones really was standing up for Charles like most seem to suspect then that’s an attitude you want.
I'm not Tom Brady. I'm not who Gerald McCoy and the Bucs needed to see.
thank you for finally giving props to houston for that fumble on the punt
thats the play I was raving about, and houston now has 2 games, and 2 nice performances…he is beyond legit, and looks like a future phenom.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Funny how reps can change so quickly.
A couple weeks ago, Houston was a wasted pick, and everyone was loving Baldwin.
by Tarkus on Aug 20, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
which I found ridiculous honestly....
as someone who never bought into the BS when it came to the houtson contract, im glad hes proving people wrong
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Team Colquitt
by SDChief on Aug 20, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah overlooked were some of the others that took a long time
I will say this….
I expected the guy to play well for us at some point….I didnt expect immediate impact to this level. he looks darn good
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Team Colquitt
hes actually already passed gholston and maybin...no joke....its kind of amazing.
yeah yeah preseason…but still, gholston and maybin never showed this much in a 2-3 year career
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
plus, colbert has a lot going for the guy...
cassel’s buddy and best friend(or one of)
very fast, plays a position we dont have al ot of depth at in spreading the field.
hard worker, liked.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I blame his agent.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
His agent works for him, not the other way around.
At this point, I no longer care, but if he wanted to sign earlier, he would have.
Agent works for him, yes.
But agent always heavily sways his decisions regarding signings. Houston doesn’t know contracts, collective bargaining agreements or any of that stuff. That’s why he has the agent.
Agent advises him to wait until the CBA is officially ratified and all that – Houston goes along saying, “alright, you know best. that’s why i’m paying you.”
C’mon Tark, you know this.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I agree with all of that.
I also know that he could have given his agent a deadline for getting a deal done if he really wanted to sign earlier. That may have not been the wisest thing to do; I’m only saying I’m not going to blame his agent for him not signing earlier.
Timing was weird
Houston signed right after the new CBA was approved. I always wondered if this was intentional because of his positive drug test at the combine and the old vs new CBA rules. I have no idea if there would’ve been any potential consequences for him signing before the new CBA was approved, but I can’t think of any other reason a 3rd round draft pick would hold out so long with a rookie wage-scale in place.
by Chatch McNasty on Aug 20, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Something like a third of 3rd rounders signed late.
I’m not going to read too much into Houston being one of them. It’s over and done with now anyway.
I'm the only one saying THIS, but I thought that as long as Hali's contract was up in the air,
it was in Houston’s best interest to wait and see. If there’d been ANY hang-up with Hali, Houston would’ve had more leverage. Houston’s deal was done about half an eyeblink after Hali’s deal was signed.
would of ≠ would've
Great point.
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
That's a good point, but
I think you might be forgetting that Houston’s still basically a kid.
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
I give people until they are about 25
If they haven’t started to come around by then, it’s a toss-up if they ever will.
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 21, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
on breaston...
im interested to see how hes used. will we put him back on punt returns? because hes a darn good returner….I wonder…
I think it wil lbe Bowe/Breaston til someone steps up and allows breaston to even play the slot.
Powe looked darn good, and we may be in the perfect position with gregg on a 1 year deal, allowing powe time to be ready
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
If Dex is capable of contributing that much to the offense every night
We’ll need to find someone else to do returns. Personally, I think kick returner is irrelevant with the new rules. So have Arenas return punts and some nobody return kicks.
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Solid decision making and good hands are now even more important for returners.
Which I think makes Arenas the best choice to handle return duties. Not saying anything against Dex or Breaston, just that Arenas is a very cool customer back there.
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
Nice MN!
You usually keep it lite and bring some good humor into your pieces. I did find Houston catching my eye a few times. I too think Powe was a steal. I like his hustle. Maybe there’s some time for them to shine this year. We could use the rookies to step up like last years class did. Moeaki was a bit disappointing. Missing time will do that though YES we need a WR 2-5 to be present. I hear about all these weapons and still see the same over used Bowe fighting for the ball. Colbert showed some promise to me.
You Play to Win the game!!!
I just remind myself that we're a run first team. the pass should be there when we keep pounding first downs.
of course I also worry about WR2…urban I like, but as our 5th guy, not as our 2nd guy.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Yes, as 5
You Play to Win the game!!!
by Wichita Chief on Aug 20, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You usually keep it lite and bring some good humor into your pieces
So you’re saying this one was heavy with bad humor? :)
Thanks. I was bummed about Moeaki’s drop too, but I won’t read into it. He’s proven himself on the field to be reliable come gameday. And this comment
I hear about all these weapons and still see the same over used Bowe fighting for the ball
scares me, because that’s what I saw too. We need Breaston to prove he’s worth that contract.
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We need Cassel to be aware of and trust his other receivers.
I’m far from being a Cassel basher, but this fault of his I think is pretty obvious and persistent.
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
I didn't watch Breaston much
But I could see Urban out there getting zero separation. I hope it’s a trust thing and not a receiver thing.
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 21, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Us grammar cops could be arrested at any moment for impersonating an officer.
It’s a risk we all too eagerly take.
would of ≠ would've
I love recaps
I think everyone should do one. It helps me get a different perspective and makes me appreciate the game more.
I suck at making my thoughts turn into words so I am not going participate in this discussion, but I will definitely enjoy reading it.
one of many reasons AP is so great
a lot of really darn good people here that do great work, some arent even on staff and they provide a lot to talk about(without making up rumors, or going out of…) and its always well written, well thought out. Love what it leads to, quality discussion on the 53.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Amen to that
It’s what brought me to AP, and what keeps me here.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
You suck at it? All the more reason to practice, then, no?
I’m a late-bloomer when it comes to hanging it out there for other folks. Still have my hangups, of course, but the best way to get over your apparent issue is desensitization therapy: Just keep doing it, and you’ll get better and more comfortable with it. You had no difficulty expressing your inability to express yourself. Think about it.
would of ≠ would've
mills speaks the truth
When I first came to AP, I only knew three words.
Now I know five.
That, my friend, is progress.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Well, I hope one day soon you start diving in more
Because we can always use another AP’er.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Just from this comment, I think that you don't suck at making your thoughts turn into words.
I think you just let your inner perfectionist discourage you.
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
You are probably right.
I often over-think my comments. There are many times when I hit the cancel button because I decide that they would be taken the wrong way or don’t actually express what I am trying to say. And that is just for the non-technical posts. For the technical details I am completely out of my depth. I’ve loved football all my life, but only recently began paying attention to the details.
Thanks. These types are fun and easy to write
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so with mims, mn would you say hes probably a safe bet for practice squad?
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
not mn, but I think he's safe to chill on the PS
He has had a pretty bad pre season. Doubt teams will use up a roster spot on him.. Changing my tune
BOOM!
Practice Squad
Mims
Lewis
Blair
Kamara
Bakhtiari
Micah Johnson
agreed Cole is cut
Micah could make the 53, though
by stagdsp on Aug 21, 2011 12:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think so, especially with Gaither added
I mean, you can only have 8 active linemen, yes?
Albert, Gaither, B-Rich, Lilja, Asamoah, Weigmann, Harris, and Hudson.
There’s nowhere for him to go. It bums me out because he has elite strength. But that’s just the way it is.
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Who do we have as a backup G/C then
Just Hudson?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Gregg played a good game last night
all that hustle and effort people talk about, you can see it on the field.
Houston is looking promising. He is a step ahead of Andy Studebaker at this point, both are crazy athletic, it just seems Houston is a football player and understands the game much better.
BOOM!
I think the best way I can articulate the difference between Studie and Houston
Is that Studie seems more like a soldier deployed for the first time seeing combat, and when shit hits the fan he keeps reciting to himself, “Remember your training. Remember your training. Remember your training.”
Houston just seems like the training is all second nature / muscle memory, and he’s going purely on instinct.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Agreed
Houston knows what he is doing. Good for us the GA went to a 3-4 Defense. Houston dominated the SEC…in sacks and TFLs…..what are people’s thoughts on Hudson.
I want to see Hudson take more snaps vs first teamers before I can say much
I’m kind of excited about the guy. But game tape vs NCAA and game tape vs first string pros are two different things.
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Yeah
I like the way KC is building their OL…draft a guy, let him sit for a year, then have him take the place of an older player. In another year or two we will be drafting for depth and not need players to come in and make an immediate impact as we do now.
It's surreal. It's been awhile since I've been excited about the Chiefs both now and the future.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
AZDiamond75: I think it's less about sitting the guy for his rookie season than it is about the guy, himself, being high quality.
would of ≠ would've
Maybe
Who knows if Hudson could start a G or C, but it’s nice to know he doesn’t have to. I would say it would appear to be working out this way, but Pioli does work with a plan. Next year we will draft another interior OL who, after a year, might be ready to take Lilija’s spot as his contract will be up. I’m also assuming that in 2 years either Albert of Richardson will not be a T.
I didn't watch him much
I’ll try to next game.
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Not a bad analogy
I’ve never served in the military. My best comparison would be a greenhorn working the derricks on the rigs (upper level working the pipe stands). You could tell a guy who just did it as a second nature vs a guy who had to think for a second first.
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Agreed
Gregg and Houston both looked great. I thought Bowe and McCluster looked good as well. Not a Palko fan yet but that was a good drive.
I think
We will actually cut Palko and sign an experienced QB. His throws just seem to hang in the air, even the TD….it seemed it took 10 seconds for that pass to get to Copper.
not much zip behind them
seemed like they were going in slow motion
by Eastcoastransplant on Aug 20, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I took some good things out of this game, but
I saw some things that worried me.
First some things I liked
Houston will def be our starting OLB opposite Hali. He is smart against the run and we all know he can rush the passer.
We didn’t blitz a lot and still Dorsey, Gregg, and Jackson were able to apply pressure.
Powe, loved the pick in April and I think he will be an instant contributor…great instincts.
I think Tucker will end up playing the slot. He was the only WR I saw get in between the DB and the ball to make the catch…Urban let it happen twice. I think he gets cut.
Now for the bad…..
While our OLBs look good our ILB need work. Too many times the RBs ripped off runs of 4 and 5 yards. With our D Line playing better DJ, Belcher, Siler have to hit their gaps.
Flowers got beat multiple times…he seems to have problem with speed Receivers.
Our first team D didn’t give up a TD, but they didn’t look great. Boldin got behind our secondary and with a little better throw it’s a TD. Also, we still look horrible in the middle of the field and on 3rd downs. Too many completions. Most people (including me) assumed that with better line play we would be able to put teams in 3rd and long, then use our rushers (Hali, Gilberry, Houston) to get to the QB and force short throws….I didn’t see any of that last night until Balt second string offense got in.
But hey, we didn’t open the playbook on the offense and the D didn’t have a gameplan according to Haley, they just played to evaluate individual matchups…..so we’ll see.
I'm not as sold on Houston yet.
He played well, but really, it was just a pre-season game and he was in against backups. Hardly worthy of a starting spot yet. If we are still talking about him at the end of August, maybe.
Belcher is the weak link. He just isn’t big enough to fill against the run. I liked Siler. He hits. Without an upgrade for Belcher, though, the middle will be the weak spot.
Tucker won’t play the slot over Breaston, sorry. And Urban may be cut, but it will be for Colbert or someone off the street.
Flowers was fine. Lewis got beat on at least one of the deep balls, not Flowers. Brandon was just the only one in sight.
I think
Breaston plays the number 2 until Baldwin is ready, so that is why I see Tucker.
Belcher is the weakest link, and I like Siler as well.
Houston dominated his competition, so he needs to get some first string reps, he outplayed Stude.
Lewis did get beat, but go back and watch the tape if you can. After Boldin beat him deep he gave a cushion to Evans and Flacco took advantage of it.
I like Siler, too. He brings some nasty to the defense. We need that since Smith isn't here any more.
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
All valid points
Although I saw Flowers make some great plays as well. I’m not at all worried about him. I only saw him beat twice. Boldin is a tough matchup for anyone.
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Great stuff MN......rec'd
Only one disagreement though. I was very happy with Verran Tucker last night. I was impessed with his route running and his ability get open.
That 3rd down pass that Palco threw off his back foot to Tucker, Tucker ran a very crisp triple move, and then came back to the ball. If he hadn’t ran that route as clean as he did, there’s no way he gets that separation and makes a play. Granted it’s just one play, and one game, but I really like Tucker more than I did before the game. Not as a No. 2 or 3, but he’s good depth and he’s a lock IMO after this game.
Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.
-Abraham Lincoln
PAC10 Baller.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi.
naturally
Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.
-Abraham Lincoln
by BJ Kissel on Aug 20, 2011 2:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Special teams shot caller?
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 20, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
with an impala
Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.
-Abraham Lincoln
by BJ Kissel on Aug 20, 2011 2:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good point about Tucker
I’d like to see him do it against first teamers though. Put him on the field instead of Urban.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Write it down
Jerrell Powe will go down as the greatest player ever selected 199th overall.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi.
by Sudden on Aug 20, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Tom Brady
Was the 199th player selected….sooooo
Hence the bold prediction
partly in jest though obviously. A QB will always get more respect, especially when the QB turns into a multiple SB MVP. But, Powe will make a splash, albeit never recognized considering the NT position.
But remember, you can’t spell power without Powe.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi.
by Sudden on Aug 20, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm just glad
That now with Powe, nobody is talking about Phil Taylor…but now with Baldwin’s behavior, I’m sure the Carimi talk will start.
Not really. Another WR was a much bigger need.
Plus WR takes longer to develop / adjust to the NFL game. We take WR in round 1 in 2011, and OT in round 1 2012, and both hit stride the same season.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
True
But if Baldwin ends up being a Diva…it would be nice to have Carimi. Who knows what happened, but I’m glad it happend now as opposed to during the regular season. We’ll see how he responds.
That last line is signature worthy
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 20, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Solid read
Houston was a monster and Stude best step up quick. I watched Houston during practice in St Joe. He tore up in drills and looked well ahead of his time. Very impressive. Gabe Miller looked good in drills too.
A couple of excellent selections by one Scott Pioli. Why do I ever question the Don?
2011 hopefuls: Being competitive and whooping the holy poop out of the AFC West.
Jonathan Baldwin?
Just playing, I think Haley will break him.
And yeah, Houston looks legit. I expected a pass rusher with raw skills. But he looks more polished than Stude out there.
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ESPN reporting
Chiefs Are one of the teams looking at pryor.. Think they might throw him some money?
by Rum on Aug 20, 2011 1:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Naga-naga-naga-
Nagunnahappen.
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Agreed.
The only way I see us taking him is by looking him in the eye, and saying….“Hehehe….go play WR now.”
Who knows. maybe the Jets will see him as their “New” Brad Smith.
by Flower_Power on Aug 21, 2011 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not about money.
It’s about using a 2012 draft pick. And no, I don’t think they’ll do that. It’s wise of them to attend his pro day, but that doesn’t mean they’re seriously interested in him.
Yeah I think it's more about due diligence than anything.
We have a backup QB need, it’d be irresponsible to not go and look. But he’s just not going to be the guy.
Plus maybe it’ll drive up the bids that other possibly interested teams might put in thinking we may bid on him. Conning the competition into wasting more valuable future picks resulting from a little gambit isn’t out of the realm of possibility.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
That.
And I think Chiefs scouts rack up a lot of frequent flyer miles anyway. I don’t think Pioli likes to leave any stones unturned. I’d actually be very surprised if the Chiefs didn’t attend.
Yeah. I think Pioli views an idle scout as a wasted resource.
I bet the guy gets his money’s worth out of his scouting staff.
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Great Post
I agree with you on almost every point. I really think Houston earned a few snaps with the starters next week. I’d REALLY like to see what he can do playing along side Hali…I could see them causing absolute havoc for Bradford. The only thing I don’t agree with is on Jones. I think this will be his last year. I love him in the locker room, but I’d like to see McClain and McCluster take some more carries away from him.
They're not gonna keep him just for his locker room presence.
And, frankly, I think he’s a better player on the field than he’s given credit for.
would of ≠ would've
He looked to be in good form last night
Now, we need to keep him fresh so he looks good in Week 17 too
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Thanks Coach
Love the analysis. Don’t get to watch pre-season games because my parents roommates don’t let me. But when I do I like to watch Chiefs games with my WWF belts on too. I was thinking – if Mims and Richardson formed a tag team, what do you think their name would be?
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 20, 2011 2:14 PM CDT reply actions
Well done MN
Can’t argue with much of what you say here. I still haven’t been able to watch the second half. The only thing that is somewhat bothersome to me here is that we are adding depth, but maybe it is spread out on too many bodies. We will have to be making cuts pretty soon and when it comes time to cut down to that 53, there are going to have to be some very difficult decisions made. Normally this means that the team is improving and I think we are, but we may have to go with the lesser of two evils in some instances and that could come back to haunt us if things go sideways on us during the season. It all depends so much on conditioning and injuries. This is not the year that we need to be looking for that backup because the two guys in front of him are down with sprains and pulls. I was very encouraged by what I saw in the game the same as (apparently) you were. It’s going to be a long season.
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I agree it'll be a long season
I’m still a little concerned about that offense. I really want to see Breaston making more of an impact on the field than he did last night.
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Check out Gretz this morning on Arrowheadlines
He puts up some stats (not that you like stats or anything :) that compare the last several years preseason games with the regular season games that may give you something to look forward to. I think the offense will be fine. I think preseason is handled so differently that it is nearly impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions about the upcoming regular season.
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Haha you know how much I hate stats, Aiken
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 21, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I pretty well agree with most everything you have said with
the notable exception that I believe Studebaker is going to be just fine as a starting linebacker. I must admit, I thought Houston reporting to camp late could be a warning fleg. Houston is looking pretty good at this point. J. Powe is going to be a stud at some point. He carries himself and plays like a stud. The one thing that really stood out to me last night is that if Cassel goes down in the regular season, out goose is cooked. Unless the Chiefs can pick up a veteran backup for one year, we have nobody and I do mean (NOBODY) to play quarterback if Cassel should be injured.
"The Hammer"
Yeah, lucky for us that Cassel is a tough s.o.b.
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That's a big part of why they signed him.
It’s counterintuitive, to me, to bring in a high-dollar QB before the OL and WR situations are close to being settled. It’s like putting hi-test gasoline in a 4-banger with a fried exhaust valve.
would of ≠ would've
Yeah, that's also one of the reasons I think his contract was so front loaded
Other than the obvious bonus of putting us in a better financial situation to get players we need after the roster starts to fill out.
They knew they’d be putting Cassel in a tough situation with a shaky O Line and he’d be getting thrown to the dogs the first year or two. Gotta compensate a guy for that.
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A lot of that was because Cassel had leverage.
He had the franchise tag, so they were going to have to pay him a boatload of money in the first year anyway. It was in their best interests to sign him to a long term deal.
I'm pretty sure he didn't get $60M guaranteed.
They signed him to a deal that was friendly to both sides in the first year, given the franchise tag, but allowed the Chiefs the ability to get rid of him later if he didn’t work out. And on Cassel’s side, he got more security.
Agree, but if they would have paid his franchise tag salary first year
I think the long term contract would have been for a lot less money.
True.
But they’d then be stuck with no QB, or still giving him a long term deal. Or franchising him again. Either way it was in their interests to sign him long term. As soon as they made the trade, there was zero doubt in my mind that he’d get a long term deal. You don’t trade for a guy like that making franchise money without protecting yourself.
Props to NE for franchising him in the first place. They were the ones really taking a risk. He could have been by far the highest paid backup in history. And that’s why the Chiefs got Vrabel and only gave up a #2 for him.
For surviving that season without a coma or having to be institutionalized
I’d say give the man double that.
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Thigpen survived basically the same line the year before for a fraction of the pay.
Nobody was yelling for him to have an S embroidered on the front of his jersey.
I liked Thigpen. =(
Would take him over our current backup situation.
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Thiggy was tough......there
is no question there…….he just was lacking in true NFL level talent.. You note I did not say lacking in talent whatsoever, just NFL level talent.
"The Hammer"
And now
after watching the part of the game that Palko actually played in, I have to say the guy held up his end pretty well. Didn’t he pilot a drive that went about 80 yards or so for a TD? He threw two passes with defenders in his face that were completed. I thought he hung in the pocket quite well. He looked pretty damn comfortable back there to me. I think he looked better than Brodie Croyle already. He is head and shoulders ahead of Stanzi at this point.
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I don't think Studebaker is a bad option as a starter
I just think Houston has looked significantly better. Granted, it’s been against scrubs, so we’ll see.
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Houston's tenacity
is what I see so far as exceeding what Studebaker is doing. Houston just keeps coming. He looked pretty dang good to me as well.
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Very enjoyable read -
I agree on all points..
Especially, regarding Powe!
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by chiefsfan62 on Aug 20, 2011 3:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks
I love me some Powe. You’ll probably hear a lot about him from me.
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I share your optimism on Mr. Powe.
I think he might just be ‘the’ guy in the middle for the Chiefs for years to come.
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Excellent post
I agree with all. Especially Dex and Houston. I noticed them the most, by far, throughout the game when they were in. Houston especially. Just like you said, it may have been against backups but he was kind of dominating those back ups. And Dexter’s cuts were amazing. He just looks so freakin’ quick. I’m really starting to get excited for the season. I can’t wait to see how they fair in regular season action!
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by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Aug 20, 2011 3:55 PM CDT reply actions
Of course he cuts fast
With a name like Dexter, how could he not?
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Mims does NOT approve this post
but I do. great read! rec’d
False
If Mims didn’t approve this post, it would simply cease to exist.
Mims is the moderator of life.
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Thanks fong
I hope we can keep Mims on the practice squad. Otherwise he’ll blame me and find me.
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great post
since I was unable to see the game.. I’m encouraged.
by Bigcherokeechief on Aug 20, 2011 4:32 PM CDT reply actions
I'm glad
Although there were negative points too, more than I pointed out. Our first team offense looked pretty poor passing the ball.
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a couple other thoughts
i know houston is getting all the attention, but i thought we got some pretty solid lb play from demario williams and cameron sheffield. sheffield looked really good last year before he got hurt, and i think he’s come back strong. i could see him contributing, or at the least being quality depth at olb. williams also looked a lot better to me than siler.
also anybody else see jalil brown get burned consistently last night? i know people have been pretty high on him in the comments, but didn’t see it last night. i know it’s early but he’s got a long way to go if he’s going to be carr’s replacement (like some have advocated).
Brown did have a couple of rough plays
I think he’s done pretty well for a rook, but he’s got the same problem as Carr. Gotta turn that head around.
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I saw Brown get burned. I was down on him,
but then saw somebody say they thought he was playing off coverage, which is supposed to be the weakest part of his game. So maybe it was just a practice/learning experience for him.
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
What I saw !!
Overall, I give the team a C+/ B-. The Offense grade was C. If our offense scheme this year is to run the ball more, than this OL needs to be PHYSICAL and develop a NASTY SIDE when it come to blocking & protecting Cassel. I didn’t see that last night. Too many dropped balls.
The Defense grade was B+, I am concern about a lack of pass rush from our DE, but our OLB made up for it. I think about week 3 Houston will take the starting job from Studebaker. Houston just need to keep contain his area (STAY AT HOME). Two years ago in the Senior Bowl, I seen this LB from Troy (Sheffield) that reminded me how DT use to get after QB. I strongly believes Sheffield could contribute with QB sacks. 3rd & l5+, I would like to see Hali, Houston and Sheffield all on the field. My 3rd down blizt package consist of Hali, Gilberry at DE, Gregg NT, making Houston & Sheffield OLB, ILB Johnson and secondary will be Carr, Flowers, Berry, Arenas & Lewis.
Eh, the offensive play book was pretty vanilla.
The D did show some more advanced looks that I wasn’t expecting, though.
Asamoah showed some nasty blocking in the run game. So that was nice.
Our DE’s were collapsing the pocking and shoving their blockers off the line, especially TJax for the most part. Pass rush isn’t their main objective. It’s making it so the LB’s can get a solid pass rush, which I think they did pretty well.
There’s still always room for improvement though.
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Asamoah's a beast
I can see us having some success with power runs with McClain behind him.
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I like that 3rd down line-up.
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
For all we know...
Baldwin broke his thumb up side TJ’s head while he kicked TJ’s butt.
I've been in more than a few fights (not proud of it, was young a stupid)
And can think of no conceivable way to break a thumb while winning a fight. The only thing I can thing of is catching yourself wrong as you go down or having the other guy wrench it on you.
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He might be one of those guys who tucks his thumb when he punches.
Athletes are often surprisingly awkward fighters because they never have to do it. Ever watch a basketball fight?
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
Good point
And I suppose he was a bball player for years. But how could anyone be 22 and still tuck their thumbs? My dad taught me not to do that when I was about 8…
Maybe he’s got no old man?
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 21, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Question for s.o. who watched the game
Who replaced Albert when he went out? With Gaither, O’Cal, and Albert out, I’d like to know who was at LT and how did he do?
Butch Lewis I believe
I feel like I’m screwing that name up… can anyone confirm?
by Ochophosphate on Aug 20, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Lewis
And he’s not good.
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Heh, he was playing guard in the second half.
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
They wanted Palko and Stanzi to live to fight another day
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 21, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, I do have one thing to say.
I both like and hate preseason games.
Reasons for liking it:
1. It is some form of football
2. I get to see the little known players get a chance.
Reasons for hating it:
I have absolutely no idea how the team really looks compared to other teams. The good and bad impressions I get from the games may simply be an illusion from the odd preseason mix of overflowing rosters and limited playbooks.
Tyrod Taylor
The QB from Virginia Tech is Tyrod Taylor, not Taylor Tyrod.
Nice write-up, thanks. I didn’t get to see the game.
by bamachief5558 on Aug 20, 2011 6:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Haha thanks, my bad
That dude can RUN
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Just from watching him at VT
the resemblance to Mike Vick is uncanny. His stance in the pocket, the way he runs, even his facial features. Definitely a player I’ll keep my eye on.
by bamachief5558 on Aug 21, 2011 12:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
David Mims
What I saw last night was an UDFA who, in space was dominate, who on inside rushes needs more rep work and who didn’t give up a sack against some of Baltimore’s starters. His foot work is a reflection of coaching, not speed and will be fine with more live game practice. Review his game play and 4 things stand out:
1: David Mims is a beast on run plays and drive blocking
2: David Mims can handle the LT position, give him a few more reps at this level
3: David Mims will be on someones team after the cuts and eventually start in the NFL
4: David Mims game improved from last week to this week, his ceiling is very, very high
by Big Daddy Booster on Aug 20, 2011 6:27 PM CDT reply actions
David Mims will be on the practice squad IMO
He is two or three years away from playing significant snaps in the NFL regular season.
Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.
-Abraham Lincoln
What starters did Mims play against?
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Mims looks to be one of those guys who takes about 3 or 4 years to come into his own.
In about 5 years some team will be glad to have him as their starting LT for many years (another John Alt).
by David Winton on Aug 21, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
O-line of the future - Mims, Albert, Hudson, Asamoah, Richardson?
It’ll take some doing to unseat Albert at LT, but within another 3 years, Albert may be ready to move inside. Age and size will limit his time at LT, and LG is his natural position. Richardson is a force to be reckoned with at RT – he won’t go quietly. The Chiefs would have to draft or sign someone good enough to play LT in order to unseat him. Maybe it’s Mims, but I believe that if Mims reaches his potential, it’ll be at LT. I think this is Richardson’s breakout season. Hudson will be their center of the future. He’s the first bona-fide center they’ve drafted since Tim Grunhard.
by David Winton on Aug 21, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Mims
has had an offensive line coach for about 3 weeks now. To me he looks pretty good when you consider that fact. He won’t start or probably even play this year. But Asamoah also didn’t play for a year and came out of his training a starting-quality guard. And he had on offensive line coach in college.
by hornetchiefsfan on Aug 20, 2011 9:04 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks for the write-up, MN.
AP’s kinda overloaded on breakdowns this Saturday. But they’re all quality, and MUCH preferable to last week’s relative dearth of after-game posts.
Haven’t read the comments yet. I see there are a lot, so I have to assume that a non-football argument or randomfunfest broke out. So my comments might be repeats but here they are anyway:
Don’t got no problem with TJ being the leader. Old team leaders hardly ever get replaced until they’re actually gone.
Houston’s football IQ so far seems amazing. Looks to be a really good fit for a team that aspires to be smart. He’s been looking so good lately, my inner pessimist is getting nervous waiting for the other shoe to drop. I mean, NO rookie ever looks this good this early after such a rough start, right?
The change from Waters to Asamoah is probably my personal biggest ? about this season. REALLY interested to see how it affects the running game. I mention this because I think it’ll be hard to separate the Asamoah effect from the McClain effect that you wrote about. One clear benefit though – Lilja is now the best “natural” left guard on this team….
Dex will be quiet most of the time, and then he’ll loudly break a game or two for us. He’s a real X-factor in what’s otherwise a very conventional offense, and I think he’ll be the most valuable against the most disciplined defenses.
Powe wasn’t a steal…he was this draft’s freaking Godsend. Considering the other undrafted NTs, I don’t think it was his performance that dropped his stock. I think it was the general lack of need for rookie 2-gap NTs that just happened to exist around the NFL this year. And it scares me to think that Pioli might actually be good enough to have recognized this and know that he’d be available in round six.
Bowe has been polishing his finer receiving skills.
Sometimes, when I see Berry hit somebody, my own ribs hurt.
Urban had a disappointing game compared to how good he looked in camp. But the Ravens’ coverage was pretty good, so hopefully it was just a hiccup.
David Mims can beat most men with his breath, but gets a terrible headache whenever somebody near him blows a whistle.
I hate remakes of movies that first came out during my own lifetime. But I bet Colin Farrell makes a pretty scary vampire.
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
by Brsrkr on Aug 20, 2011 10:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Got through the comments. They are all football related. I stand corrected, and impressed.
This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game."
Yeah, I've been impressed with the comments here as well
Of course, every 3rd or 4th is me replying to someone… I just can’t bring myself to not reply when someone comments at me. It seems rude, like I’m blowing them off…
Good point about NT’s in the draft. Powe was the best 2 gap guy, but a lot of decent looking NT’s who were projected 3-5 went undrafted.
I think we may have a better line with Lilja on the left and Asamoah on the right. Asamoah is a clear upgrade in strength over Lilja at the RG spot, and Lilja seems to be doing as well as an aged Waters did last year.
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 21, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes, when I see Berry hit somebody, my own ribs hurt.
Outstanding!! Recd.
by Just_an_APChiefs_Fan on Aug 21, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Cassel
I thought Matt Cassel looked like crap. Dude should be much improved since Zorn is here. Something else I noticed during the game is I think all of these quarterbacks should be alot better than they are. What is this Zorn guy doing with them.
Why don’t you give us the list of things you watched that need improvement, I appreciate the positive spin of info in the ESPN comic relief style delivery but, c’mon man!
The Ravens were sometimes sending as many as 7 guys on defence, to get to Cassel.
They let up for a few plays on Palko, and he picked them apart. So, they went back to blitzing everyone. I don’t think they’re going to get away with that for very long. The screen play in the 2nd half proved how dangerous heavy blitzing is! Cassel, and all the QBs did fine, considering the circumstances. Don’t believe anything that Harbaugh said. He’s just like a few other coaches who think you have to win in the preseason – at all cost! That free coaches challenge he got, is an example of his mentality. I think the NFL needs to deal with the refs on that little gem.
by David Winton on Aug 21, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Well...
I did talk about a couple of negative areas, but mostly I decided to post what I saw that was positive because I’m mad with power. Isn’t that obvious?
You seem to have an idea for what you want. Make it happen! That’s what AP’s all about. I look forward to reading your fanpost about what needs improvement.
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 21, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
The Ravens were sometimes sending as many as 7 guys on defence
to get at Cassel. With the changes at NT, Jackson coming into his 3rd (and hopefully breakout) year, and Hali/Houston holding down the OLB spots, this five could be more than enough to bring down a QB. When you consider the defensive backfield we now have, we may finally be ready to be a defensive force in the AFC. Offensively,… we’ll have to see how Baldwin does.
Biggest worry
The offensive line looked pretty weak on the opening drives. We also need to get some separation from the wide receivers, Bowe isn’t even getting much, just the chemistry between Bowe and Cassel allows for tighter throwing windows. There has to be a WR besides Bowe who can get away from cornerbacks, or we’ll just see teams exploiting it like last year.
Fantastic and rec
I have grown to really like your writing MN. Excellent insights and witty humor. Nice work.

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