Ramblings of an Idiot: Nancy's Kool-Aid
by Texas Chief on Aug 16, 2011 5:19 PM CDT
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Our schedule is more difficult than last season, but it’s not impossible or even improbable for the Chiefs to win just as many games. San Diego won’t start out the season as horribly as they have the last 3. The Raiders personnel got worse in the off season, but Hue Jackson is a hell of a coach and he won’t let the team fall apart around him. The Broncos don’t have a QB controversy; Baring injury or an awful record early in the season, Tebow will not be the starter.
The Chiefs aren’t nearly as ignored by the press as the fans like to make them out to be, and the team is not running under the radar anymore. The people that matter (coaches and GM’s) have taken notice to the talent on our ball club.
Even if you think I’m wrong about something in the preceding 4 paragraphs I’m not wrong about so many of those things that the Kool-Aid Drinkers or the the Sky is Falling camps of Chief fans have a leg to stand on while they make their doom and gloom or pre-season Superbowl predictions.
No one knows the outcome until the games are played. You can bet your bottom dollar that Pioli, Haley, and Hunt are making decisions based on what they believe will improve our team and put them in the best position to win.
So what am I trying to say? I’m trying to let Chiefs fans know up front that no one really has any clue what’s going to happen this year. Optimism is a nice thing. There’s nothing wrong with going through life (or a football off season) having a positive outlook. Just be careful that you don’t use too many ‘if’s’ or ‘will’s’ when you discuss your favorite team. i.e. IF Cassel takes care of the ball like he did last year and IF Charles gets more carries, and McClain WILL be better in short yardage, and Baldwin WILL burn other teams IF they try to double Bowe how they did last year. Also, IF Albert moves RT and Richardson gets benched (because Gaither WILL be better at LT) then our running game WILL be even better than last year. In addition, IF Gregg pans out at NT and Jackson takes that 3rd year leap this season then our LB’s WILL be freed up and WILL make more plays on the ball..... then..... SUPER BOWL!!!
Have you ever heard ‘that guy’ in a sports bar and actually taken him seriously? You can’t have that many IF’s and WILL’s as precursors to why your team is going to be so great this season and expect the other people to hop on your band wagon. There’s enough Kool-Aid in that statement to drown a herd of elephants. Slow your roll and take a deep breath. The games will start in a few weeks and IF all those wishes actually do come true there won’t be any shortage of fair weather fans to overload your wagon. Optimism is great, but self delusion will only end in a mid season depression.
On flip side of that coin are the negative Nancy fans that read pain and despair in every sweet tea leaf they come across. (Those exist, right? Sweet tea leaves are real plants?) They can be heard in every bar, and read on every blog. Their sch-peel goes something like this:
"Clark Hunt is a moron. He’s a trust fund baby that doesn’t care if his team wins or loses. He’s a tight wad that won’t spend the money to bring in [insert players name]. If he would have just opened his wallet and signed [X and Y players] then our team could have been fantastic... unbeatable even, but without those 2 players we won’t even be able to beat the [local high school team mascot]." They completely ignore the fact that those players don’t fit our scheme, or are (in football years) older than dirt and have less left in the tank than a full electric car.
These people go on to say that our QB is completely hopeless (regardless of the fact the stat lines prove them wrong) and that our play callers don’t have the foggiest clue about what they’re doing. And that [name 6 or 7 current players on the roster] couldn’t make the squad of any other team in the league if we released them. This kind of fan has no band wagon because no one can stand to be around their constant negativity for any length of time. This is the 40 year old virgin living in his mothers basement trying to convince the rest of the world how much smarter they are than the people that have succeeded in football as a career. It doesn’t matter if the moron in question is a coach with a 30 year history of success or a player that has set every record there is to set. This fan still knows more about how to run the team, and they're dying to tell the rest of us how things should be done.
In short (yeah, yeah... too late, right?), Kool-Aid drinker fans live in the future. They are always telling you about some college player that WILL be the best whatever of all time. They are just sure that every single ‘if’ and ‘but’ they can come up with are going to come true, and that this is the year their team magically turns from terrible to world beaters. Nothing could possibly go wrong and the world is made of wine and roses. The future is brighter than 10,000 suns.
The negative Nancy lives in the past. They call for a constant stream of big name players that are either past their prime or don’t fit the scheme to be added to the team every year. They are positive that these, once great, players are the answer to all the teams woes. There’s no way that an actual GM or coach or scout, or even a doctor could be better at evaluating a player than they are. If the team didn’t re-sign some over the hill player or didn’t spend huge money to bring in every formerly great free agent that came available it’s because the owner and coaches don’t care about winning... or aren’t smart enough to know how.
I’m calling on YOU ,Chiefs fans, to join me here in the present. There’s some optimism about what could happen this coming season. There’s also some trepidation about the competition we face or the players that have yet to prove themselves. Get away from the Kool-Aid pitcher and avoid a mid season suicide brought on by severe depression. And for all that’s good and holy stay away from the soul sucking negative Nancy’s and the dark cloud that follows them.
Welcome to the present fellow APers. The sun is out. The birds are chirping, and real football games that count are right around the corner. Let’s enjoy a season of football together and experience the journey of the season without any preconceived notions about where the road ahead might lead. I don’t have a band wagon, but I’ve got a Dodge Charger with a full tank of gas and I know the best spot for burnt ends and cold beer on Sunday. The 2011 seasons is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you’re gonna get....but it’s gonna be chocolate for sure so it can’t be all bad.
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The comments on this one oughtta be interesting.
Predictions: The grammar and spelling warlocks are going to be in a frenzy. Panties will be bunched.
So your overall point is that we don’t know what is going to happen, and we should watch and see. Well that is good, I plan on watching the games this year.
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 16, 2011 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Terrible strategy...
I only plan on watching the games I KNOW we will win! That way I’m never dissapointed.
by juvatbull on Aug 16, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no. My overall point is not to go off the deep end with the Kool Aid or the Doom and Gloom
Whichever extreme a fan migrates to during the pre-season is usually proven to be way off base by the end of the year.
The season won’t be the undefeated Dolphins, nor the winless Lions. Going out on a ledge and over reacting to every little decision/tweet/re-signing/resigning/trade/draft pick…etc.. is futile.
Better to take a more even stance, believe in your team, coaches, and front office… and enjoy the season with reality firmly in check.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Aug 16, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In saying that the Chiefs won't be the Lions or the Dolphins you are essentially doing the same thing. (How do you now for sure?)
Why does the season have to be an 8-8 even keeled cool headed approach in the eyes of the fans to be considered stable? Not saying you are saying that either Texas Chief. Speculation is fun, that what if’s are some of my favorite parts about analyzing the Chiefs and the NFL.
Whether you are a Doom and Gloom Fan, or a homer like myself. I think one of the most important things is that you support your opinions the best you can. That is when the discussion is fun IMO, when you are talking with someone with the knowledgeable capability to put you in your Chiefs place.
IMO, fans that take the no guess on the fence approach aren’t any better in their opinions than the Negative Nancies or the Kool Aid Drinker’s
There is a difference between saying: (Just example not my real feelings.)
I hate Clark Hunt, he is a cheap bastard and teh Cheifs never sign any body good.. this team is going to be turrible.
and
I really wish Clark Hunt would spend some more money. There are some legitimate free agents out there that I feel would really help out this team and I hate to see other teams snatch up all of the talent. I feel if the Chiefs don’t make the necessary moves soon, that they could possibly have an awful season again. They have had one good season in the past four years and I will have a hard time watching that losing again… ever. Please Clark tell Pioli to sign ________&_________.
The same thing can be said about homeristic posts IMO. To me, I just wish everyone would use better logic and rationalization to support their claims for the Chiefs, but it will never happen and I accept that. There is nothing wrong with having different hopes, dreams, and nitemares about the Chiefs. It is part of being a fan.
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 16, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you Know... excuse me.
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 16, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
so do boobs when they bounce.
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 16, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
not saying anything about 8-8. And I don't ahve a clue about how it will end
You’re missing my point.
Extremeist positions are rarely acurate and almost always result in disappointment and/or high blood pressure.
Remaining even keel about the off season has nothing to do with perdicing an 8-8 season.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
I completely understand your point TC...
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 16, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think there is anything wrong with getting excited or pissed about the Chiefs.
I like when fans show unrational emotion. Even keel can be boring. Bold predictions are fun.
Disappointment sucks, but never getting excited about the team in a delusional way would be no fun for me. If I was always meh about the Chiefs, then when they finally hoist the Lombardi it wouldn’t be as special to me.
I want the Chiefs to win a Super Bowl and I expect them to win. If they don’t, then I step up to the plate the next year, dust myself off and start over… oh well. I don’t run from the pain.
High Blood Pressure is dangerous, but it is part of being a fan.
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 16, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/6866409/rick-reilly-bengals
We could be be bengals fans. Anybody who can say that doesn’t have it that bad.
I get excited when I watch the games
I build up in the offseason thinking of all the posibilites
But I try not to explode into the clouds or drop through the floor. Wasted emotion.
I’m pleasently in the middle, hopeful, and positive about the Chiefs.
I think were a 10-6 team, and I think we have quite a few new players that have a lot of potential. I can’t wait to get down the the nitty gritty of the season and find out who reaches that potential and who doesn’t.
Kool Aid drinkers are sure ever one will, and Negative Nancy’s sour and moan that nothing will work out. I prefer to avoid both the extremes
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Why is the emotion wasted?
I would rather use my emotion than leave it on the bench. Why just enjoy the season? Why not enjoy football all year round.
There is nothing wrong with with either way, you are just maybe trying to avoid morons that post without thinking, and that is a different story.
I don’t think being a Kool-Aid drinker has to be labeled as an extremist this season. There are logical reasons that the Chiefs could be great in 2011.
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 16, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
because they only play for 6 months
Why not enjoy football all year round
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I think he watches the arena league, and the Kansas City Comets the rest of the year =P
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Seeing that there is at least 7,000,000,000,001.1234567 NFL stories everyday of the year
sometimes what happens on the field isn’t even the best part.
Take the NFL Draft. Look how people go apeshit crazy over it. It is fun, and I love to do things I enjoy. You know like how you love to twist words and mock strangers for their mental capacity Ups.
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 16, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
that's a LOT ... source? ;-)
Seeing that there is at least 7,000,000,000,001.1234567 NFL stories everyday of the year
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
How many tweets does it take to count as 0.1234567th of a story?
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depends ...
if it’s a Shaun Smith tweet it’s probably too full of jive to undertand
Peter King it’s rumor and doesn’t count
if it’s Bob Fescoe it’s just plain stupid and doesn’t count
it if’s from 2.7 you don’t WANT to read it
anything about Mike Vrabel’s retirement it’s worth 8 stories each
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Mike Vrabel retired?
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 16, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I know, huh ... you'd have thought Joel or someone would let us know
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
it is a regular tootsie-pop mystery
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 16, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
who luvs ya
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Pro-football-reference.com
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 16, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
what happens on teh field is always the best part
It’s the only part that actually matters.
I like to see whoe we drafted, and who’s available. I like the speculative debate about who we should get too. And I like to have real debate about the merits of a player or position as compared to another.
None of that requires me to be a homer or a Kool Aid drinker though.
To each his own
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
I agree with the second part of your comment completely.
But that’s not a negative nancy comment. It’s a thought out argument and speculation based in fact.
Not the same thing as .. OMG The sky is falling.. Hunt is such a cheap bastard. We’ll never win a playoff game with him as an owner…etc..
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
TC, you wouldn’t want the chiefs to break the bank on a high priced FA, would you? I like what they’re doing. You develop young talent and use free agents to plug holes. Maybe once in a while you take a chance. But why would they now? They have such a young solid core that will only get better if they stay together under the same system.
That's the winning formulia of the Pat's and the Steelers, and Green Bay
Build a team through the draft.
Team depth is more important than adding other teams high profile guys.
Collect draft picks instead of always tossing them away to chase the newest FA.
Use your own players while they are on the uptick and peak, and trade them away just before they decline (because you have the depth to survive)
And… Plug the gaps in your team with reasonably priced FA’s…
It’s what I expect from Pioli, and I tend to agree with the philisophy.
The alternative (spend massive amounts of cash and draft picks in the off season) of trying to sign everyone else’s big names usually ends in a team that wins the off season ‘paper super bowl’ (hello Redskins and Raiders) but not the real thing
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
FYI
The 0-16 Lions went 4-0 in the preseason that year.
The 1972 – 17-0 Miami Dolphins went 0-6 in the preseason that year.
Preseason is absolutely meaningless. Further evidence that you should only believe 1/2 of what you see and none of what you hear – in the preseason.
Clearly in the minority...I disagree on Croyle
I still think Croyle could be a decent back-up QB. He stayed healthy all last year and the year before. He is certainly better than Palko. Croyle may be the best option available given his familiarity with the offense and the personnel.
I actually 100% agree
I am actually suprised they didn’t resign him to a 1 year deal. He is better than Palko and Stanzi now.
2011 NFL Draft: Bring on the fatty's!
It was time to move away from Brodie Croyle.
He might be better than Tyler Palko (That is like saying cat poo is better than dog poo), but he is not good in live game situations. He is inaccurate, and makes poor decisions. It was just time to move on from the guy.
He had a cannon for an arm, but what good is it, if he misses the receiver by 15 yards?
meh...
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Aug 16, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
The longer he is unemployed the cheaper he is.
They may sign him at the end of camp and dump Palko unless Palko shows something he hasn’t yet. Never know.
you mean like the ability to pass?
unless Palko shows something he hasn’t yet
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
well the ability to WIN is the true test of the Backup QB
where the hell is Livingston when you need him?
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 16, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know, huh!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Breaston won’t be the Chiefs’ Wess Welker.. who?
Asmough won’t be this years Will Shields… who?
Come on…
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
Asamoah will be David Mims
Breaston will be Bowe and Cex will be Balwin after they stretch him out on the rack for a few weeks
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Cex? Sounds pretty lewd. Especially when you're stretching it on a rack.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I'm really disapointed...
I saw the title, and the picture under it, and figured it was about, well, never mind…
her? yeah, me too
and figured it was about, well, never mind …
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
First of all
Who in the hell is asmough?? We have a lineman named Jon Asamoah…not asmough! No wonder your not a Kool Aid drinker…you don’t follow the team enough to know the players.
I have a Kool Aid hat that I sip on every day…cause I am a FAN! A true fan that is blessed to be able to follow my team everyday. I will be positive and believe in my team no matter what! That’s my right as a FAN!
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
by Matt_Grbac on Aug 16, 2011 6:07 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
while we're at it, who the hell is Studdebaker
I swear, whoever posted this must be some blithering idiot
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Asmough...
pronounced, ass muff. It’s got a nice ring to it, no?
PICTURE ME SLAPPING THE TOUGHEST GUY YOU KNOW!!!
KCCHIEFSFAN72!!!!
by kcchiefsfan72 on Aug 16, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
and keeps him warm on the bench in December
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I like how you made the font so big and bold without all-caps :)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
once again, blame Google Docs. I didn't do anything special.
If I knew how to make it stop doing that, I would. There should be a uniform font across the web page. I’m not happy with it changing.
However, if I’m stuck at work while editing/writing a post.. google docs is the only good way to do it.
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I feel you on goodox
in a pinch, there is no substitute
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yeah Buck, but he forgot all the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'s
complete fail
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
If Cassel takes the next step, along with the offense, then INTs will almost certainly go up,
along with attempts and yards per attempt.
would of ≠ would've
Yep
I think this is a huge year for Cassel from the standpoint of mental development/maturity. If he focuses on only one or two targets all year long because he can’t progress through his check-downs (doesn’t much matter if it’s his fault or the O-line’s fault), then I doubt very seriously that he’s the long term answer.
To TC’s point, we’ll have to wait and see.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
I agree.
People will bitch, but if they go downfield more, the risk increases as well. Then again, if Cassel is improved, the reward will increase as well.
uh - you just made an IF statement... I guess the SKY must be falling and the WORLD is going to end
:)
by Eastcoastransplant on Aug 16, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
FWIW
I’m completely in wait and see mode. We have some really great looking young talent and a gnarly looking schedule. We could win 5 games or we could win 10 or 11. I don’t know, I hope we do well but more than anything I’m happy that we even have football at all. I hope we improve week after week because I think the Chiefs are building a winner for the long term and I’m damn glad for it.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
how DARE you be levelheaded
I’m completely in wait and see mode
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Can't help myself on this one
As a team, I feel like we’re going to be better than we were last year… but this friggin’ schedule… My Gawd!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
The way this team is being built and being run, individual stats probably won't be huge.
would of ≠ would've
I hope everyone's stats combined are huge
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 16, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
did you say a huge combine?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
10-6
Superbowl! Why the F not? i like this group of guys..we have a real shot this year and next year…even with our tough schedule. Go Chiefs!!
Superbowls in 2011 & 2012..I'm totally Cereal ! Chiefs win in 2012.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-Rid-of-the-new-NFL-Kickoff-RULE/273225256026221?ref=ts
so, everybody get on facebook and like that page so we, as fans (even thought the very not-respected commissioner loves to say he’s a fan, I don’t buy it, he’s a tool, a politician, Harrison was right, we all know it) and get rid of this stupid kickoff rule. I don’t know about you but I want to see kickoffs. Last I checked, up til this year anyway, kickoffs are a part of football, as are other special teams.
Players suffer injury at nearly twice the rate per 100 kick offs as they do per 100 'other' plays
The rule change was completely and entirely made for player safety. Not one single GM, Coach, or Fan thinks that having more touchbacks will make the game more exciting. They just want to protect their players from serious injury.
Its a 5 yard change, and nothing stops the players from attempting to run the ball back out of the end zone if they desire. You’ll still see the same number of kick offs… but you’ll also get to see more starters playing more games during the season because there aren’t as many injuries.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
and you're an over reacting negative nancy.
OH NO…. The whole game is RUINED by a kick off rule. It;s not even going to be football anymore!
The game survived for a lot of years while teams kicked off from the same place that they will this year. The league just put the kick off back where it used to be in an effort to reduce player injuries. Take a breath… it’s not as terrible as it seems. Not EVERY kick off will end in a touchback. The numbers might go from 20% up to 45%.. but there will still be plenty of action to keep the game exciting.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
The return game is a part of the game, an important part, an exciting part. Already 140 kickoffs in the endzone after one week of preseason, 44 of which were touchbacks. I didn’t watch all the games, but I’ll venture to say somewhere around 60 to 70 should have been touchbacks. We all saw Lawrence’s amazing decisions.
Not having a tiny % of the plays in the game cause a 100% Higher injury rate...
is just as important of a part of the game as kick off returns.
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he may be an idiot but he's OUR idiot
and please … save the personal attacks for elsewhere
they are not welcome on AP
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I've responded in kind.
And I will continue to do so.
Debate or discuss, and I’ll join in.
Toss an insult, and expect to get one back.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Aug 16, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not insulted. And I’m not angry. I will argue and I expect you to argue back. Sorry I called you an idiot. But the player safety thing is out of control. The NFL powers that be are rich white men who care about money. Yes, the rules have changed over time to aid the passing game, because points and Randy Moss highlites sell tickets, but that’s not the only way to play the game. The NFL should let teams develop teams the way they see fit. Their rule changes manipulate the game.
yes, you insulted
for which you only just now apologized … but the fact remains, you DID insult
and this … means … what, precisely? that there are no greedy Blacks involved with the NFL?
The NFL powers that be are rich white men who care about money
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
damn tangents
always made me flunk math
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 16, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
you failed math because of tangerines?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Did you really just generalize an entire race of people by calling them Blacks? At least you capitalized it.
Did you really just say that?
The NFL powers that be are rich white men who care about money
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
there’s truth in that statement. Just like you can say most powerful republican politicians are rich white people. You know why? because the republican party changed with Reagan. To be conservative now, pertaining to politics, really means fiscally conservative. They just hide behind the guise of being morally conservative religious fanatics so small town joe sixpack will vote for them
that's certainly an opnion
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Double talk.
Whch means, you just said this, at 7:34.
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
there’s truth in that statement. Just like you can say most powerful republican politicians are rich white people. You know why? because the republican party changed with Reagan. To be conservative now, pertaining to politics, really means fiscally conservative. They just hide behind the guise of being morally conservative religious fanatics so small town joe sixpack will vote for them
OHhhhhh NOoooooo. Ups...help an old man to the car, would ya?
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
And do you think the NFLPA reps had anything to do with lobbying for safety-based rules changes during the CBA bargaining sessions?
Or is this something the owners and commissioner just cooked up on their own because they want to make things less fun?
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Waters headed it up.
As one of the owners said, they got everything except someone to play the game for them.
The committee has to draw up the rules.
The players asked for it. That’s the bargaining process.
“Hey, do something about guys getting hurt on kickoffs. Or we’re going to drag this out for another (however many) days.”
Of course the competition committee drew up the rule. The players aren’t allowed to make the rules. But they can refuse to cooperate while bargaining until they’re promised a rule that they want.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/6866409/rick-reilly-bengals
We could be be bengals fans. Anybody who can say that doesn’t have it that bad.
I'm not upset at all
He called me an idiot, which is part of my post title.
And I called him a negative Nancy.. which is part of the post subject.
No one is bouncing off the walls here.
The only thing I actually disliked was the condesending “friend” tacked onto his statement.
Which you will see I mirrored exactly as it was presented to me.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
they re-padded the cells, did they? :-)
No one is bouncing off the walls here
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
You also
referred to one of his statements as retarded and another as short sighted.
Not that I really care. I was just pointing out to Ups that he shouldn’t be calling out someone when you’re just as eager to join in on the banter.
well ... "short sighted" is hardly an insult
and I’m sure it was only in the “heat of the moment” of debate that he forgot to use the classic …
Anne Retart
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Ups.......My comment was to YOU about calling out Straws Baw
You should know full well I love to banter. I just didn’t think you should be calling out someone when the banter was going both ways.
I really don’t care about the banter, but call it what it is. Don’t try to split hairs and say I wasn’t insulting the person ;-) ;-) I was insulting the statement.
I'm not splitting hairs
I WAS insulting the statement, and not the person.
Because the statement was retarded. I don’t know the person, so i can’t speak to his mental capacity.
If you tell me that Republicans are all corrupt, but the democrats are not….
I’m going to call that statement out. It’s wholy false, short sighted, and completely naive.
That doesn’t mean YOU are, just that the statement is.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Aug 16, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
calling someone retarded (or any other name) is not the same thing as calling a statement..
short sighted, or flawed, or even idiotic.
A statement can be ALL of those things, as well as retarded, without the person that made the statement filling that same bill.
I say retarded stuff all the time, as well my staff can attest to. And when they call me on it… It doesn’t make me mad. Attack the position (thats a debate).. attack the person (that’s an insult)
just my opnion.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Aug 16, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
To attempt to separate a persons statement from their character
is disingenuous. Not to mention calling something retarded, is politically incorrect and insulting to those with mental handicaps.
just my opnion
and if we're anything at Arrowhead Pride we're Politically Correct
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I've read a lot of idiotic things written by a lot of very smart people
I don’t think it’s dinengenous at all to seperate a statement from the person that makes it.
Everyone says/writes things that don’t make any sense at all at times in their lives. That doesn’t make them crazy or stupid or dumb. However, the thing that they said may very well be crazy or stupid or dumb.
As to political correctness: Make me down for a no. I am not, never have been, nor will I ever buy into political correctness. No one has the right NOT to be offended. If you are offended by something I say, then don’t listen to me.
Handicapped people are not handicapable. Retarded people are not mentally challenged. Elderly people are not life experienced. A man hole cover is not sexist. Hurricanes don’t need to be alreanated between male and female names. Calling a Mexican.. Mexican is not insulting.. It’s where they are from. Calling someone Oriental is not incorrect just because Pacific Islander is their preference. There is nothing wrong with the term gay, as long as people know you don’t mean happy. etc… Political correctness is a complete waste of time.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Aug 16, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sure. What are we betting on?
I’ll take Jeff Gordon +4 laps for $50
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Here here!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Yea...well, personally, I've said much worse in the past,
because I couldn’t control myself, but…I’m much better now.
I’ve been called just about every name in the book around here at one point or another, and they’ve been right, some of the time. The rest of the time, they were just dirty low down pricks.
But yea, Mr. Straws baw, learning the rules around here will save you a lot of grief, but since you just joined yesterday, you gotcher self a free pass for today from TheK-Man.
But around here, it’s alway best, to think before you speak, think before you act, and think before you react.
Just a little advice, from someone who’s been gang-raped and left for dead in these threads, on numerous occasions, because I failed to do just that, without putting that little smiley symbol afterwards.
Okey dokey then.
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
Please insert the :) after the word "pricks" above. :)
Phew.
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
... because Buck & Steve & I were having some fun, but hey, it's all good ;-)
Just a little advice, from someone who’s been gang-raped and left for dead in these threads, on numerous occasions, because …
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
gang rap and leaving for dead is considered fun?
I don’t know what to say to that =P
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
LOL
look, K-Dude thanked us afterward so no worries … it’s metaphorical you know
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I'm just glad that I can be of help to my fellow man.
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
by TheK-man on Aug 16, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And yes it was tongue-in-cheek, present company excepted,
with all the smiley symbols and all that happy horse shit.
See? :)
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
I'm particularly happy that I can be of service to Michelle,
or of use to her, or i mean used by her….or …damnit…you saw the picture.
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
Yes, I was speaking tongue in cheek, at the same time
Michelle was speaking, sausage in cheek.
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
strong response there
Good for debate and discussion. Thanks!
by Eastcoastransplant on Aug 16, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't agree with you on this one TC.
Fuck the injuries. You just can’t keep going around taking the most exciting plays away from the game, and expect to keep the fans interest in the games at the highest level.
We’re becoming a nation of overprotective wimps.
They know the risk, same as I did when I signed up for the military, only they’re getting paid 1000 times as much.
Meh
I played tackle football in the neighborhood out in the empty lots, back in the 70’s, with no equipment whatsoever, and we had few rules, and were self-officiated.
Most of us left the fields, bruised, battered, cut up and bloody, and we had the time of our lives. (And there were some actual future KC Chiefs playing with us).
I was knocked out by one on a cross block with a knee into the back of my head.
I’m still alive to talk about it.
It’s a violent game, that’s why we love it so much, and that’s the way it should be played.
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
AGREED
Look. I’m not paying $200 to sit at Arrowhead and watch 8 out of ten kickoffs kneeled on, unless the Raiders’ polish rapist kicker is kicking off. I pay to see football players make plays. I’m all for protecting players, as long as the integrity of the game is upheld. But, it IS a violent game. Injuries are a part of it, and that’s partly why they are paid handsomely. Nobody is forcing these athletes to play football. Let’s put them in a factory and see how long they last.
Right-O man.
We’ve done enough to protect the players. It’s not like we’re asking them to go out there and return kicks without their helmuts on.
But that’s a pretty damn good idea, and I’d pay extra to see it. lol.
Alright, i’m kidding. But you get my point.
It’s not like the Roman Colliseum, where they unleash 8 angry male lions onto some poor bastard in a half dress, wearing sandals, and armed only with a 12" Buck knife.
lol.
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
and please stop insulting those of Eastern European descent!
the Raiders’ polish rapist kicker is kicking off
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Well, that ones true at least. The fact that he’s Polish is a coincidence. I hate him because he’s a Raider.
Associating seabass with the Polish is an insult to the Poles, tbh
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
While we're at it, let's stop sending our troops to defend our country, because
some of them might killed.
People get injured and killed everyday. If you can’t bear the risk, don’t field the team.
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
Nascar is right up yall's alley
175 MPH straight into the wall works great
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 16, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem is, we coddle too much.
If we had a team load of Sherrill Headricks, we wouldn’t even be discussing this crap right now
They don’t build them like this anymore:
Sherrill Headrick (March 13, 1937 – September 10, 2008) was an American college and Professional Football player from Texas Christian University.
In 1960, Headrick came to the American Football League’s Dallas Texans as an undrafted linebacker. He went on to star for the Texans and the Kansas City Chiefs.
In his first year with the Texans, Headrick set the standard for playing hurt, after fracturing a vertebra in his neck in a pre-game collision at Houston. Despite feeling pain in his neck, he played the entire game. He learned of the fracture five days later, but went on to play the following week, earning the nickname “Psycho”, a reputation he fueled by banging his head against his locker and working himself up to the point of nausea before games. In his book “The American Football League – A Year-by-Year History, 1960-1969” Ed Gruver quotes Texans/Chiefs coach Hank Stram as saying that Headrick, who refused to wear hip pads, had the highest pain threshold [he’d] ever seen in an athlete. Headrick played with a broken neck, infected gums, and a fractured thumb. When an injury left the bone in his finger protruding from the skin, Headrick popped the bones in place without missing a play.
The results of these injuries included debilitating arthritis, and he used a wheelchair for the last ten years of his life.
I’d bet my life if Headrick was alive to see what they’re doing with the kickoffs, he’s be sick to his stomach.
Right now he’s turning over in his grave
Shame shame shame, from trying to ruin the game game game.
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
Risk is part of the game, so is injury
The rules have been changed for several years in a row now in such a fashion the the down field pass has been mroe and more protected, and cultivated by the league. They made some changes to rule to protect those receivers so that the fans can continue to see those exciting plays.
Obviously the league is not trying to remove excitement from the game. They are trying to keep the game as pure as possible, while also eliminating unnecessary risk.
When one small set of plays clocks in at DOUBLE the number of injuries as the rest of the game… it’s time to do something about it.
I would never attempt to compare the risk of the military to the risk of a person playing a game. And I won’t even comment on that.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
LOUD NOISES!!!!
Gulp gulp.. Kool-aide? I’m still sipping my beer
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Aug 16, 2011 6:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Very nice intospective. Rec'd.
Bottom line is that there is reason to hope and reason to predict doom and reason to reserve judgement.
I’ll for one, will be doing all three.
Nice work TC.
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
by TheK-man on Aug 16, 2011 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
woops. introspective.
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
by TheK-man on Aug 16, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
After reading this one a second time, not sure what I think anymore.
You’ve left me utterly hopeful, scared and indifferent all at the same time. Think I’ll rec’d this, then unrec, then rec’d again, then……oh wtf. Rec’d. (again)
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
by TheK-man on Aug 16, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh crap man.
I just notice that it says an idiot wrote this. Nevermind. lol. :)
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
by TheK-man on Aug 16, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
order up!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Good for you man.
After all, who doesn’t love a good waffling. I mean ..waffle.
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he's a closet politician
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They don’t care about player safety as much as they care about paying medical bills for ex-players. There’s always a middle ground. Keep the kickoff at the 30 and either start the kickoff team at the 30 or the 25. To take returns completely out of it, as the NFL is obviously doing (I mean this is more obvious than the Republicans agenda to NOT tax the rich, because they are the rich).
neither of those things are obvious
and they aren’t taking the kick off out of the game. The rule wont have an effect even close to that.
It’s got nothing to do with paying medical bills. That’s a retarded statement. If they didn’t want to pay medical bills they would have to eliminate all tackling and start wearing flags.
THIS is the exact thing I’m talking about when I call someone a negative Nancy. It’s a complete and total over reaction. You’ve convinced yourself that the rule change will take kick off returns out of the game all together, and then you speculate it was done because of money…
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
I’m just thinking objectively and critically. Have you ever done either? I bet you think the tuck rule works, don’t you?
As to weather I ever think objectively or critically.. I point to a few years worth of posts and comments.
I’m just thinking objectively and critically
They don’t care about player safety as much as they care about paying medical bills for ex-players
What part of that second statement is either objective, or critical thinking?
To take returns completely out of it, as the NFL is obviously doing….
How about that one?
(I mean this is more obvious than the Republicans agenda to NOT tax the rich, because they are the rich).
The ‘rich’ make up less than 10% of the country. The Republicans make up more than 40% of it. So that statement is both untrue, and short sighted
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
If I had to guess, not a very large one.
Politicians, by and large, don’t come close to the net worth level of the mega corporation owners.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Why not let the Teams kick it from either the 30 or 35?
as stated elsewhere, jump offsides and kick it legally from the 30 yard line
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 16, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
look at your own question, friend
You specifically asked what % of those ‘Republicans who ARE high profile politicians’ make up that 10%
I don’t need to do any research. You need to formulate your question in a different way if you want a different answer.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
they are upwardley looking
must be optimists and Kool-Aid drinkers
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 16, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I couldn't imagine AP without all the "ifs"
Living in the moment just means we have no reason to talk about the potential starting lineup for the season, battles at positions, who we will probably beat or lose to, what team has the best players and why, or anything that would involve speculating about the team. Hell, that would eliminate 3/4 of the posts and comments on this sight, and I don’t think the Thorman Two would appreciate that.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 16, 2011 7:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
an If or 2 is great
But when the list keeps getting longer and longer… It’s time for a reality check
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
I am Delaney's alter Ego
Let’s live by in the past :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 16, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
great post, especially the IF-part
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
Hali
stats wise yes this last year was his best but he has been elite in terms of QB Disruptiosn the last 3 years ;)
Also, Seriously, not being a homer at all but I will take Berry any day over an aging never healthy I talk like a chick and have silky smooth hair Polomalu.
by Chiefsfan85 on Aug 16, 2011 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll take berry too, but He hasn't proven it on the field quite yet. Young and upcoming.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
As far as rookies go he has more than proven it
but if you want 3 plus years of on the field play then just wait and it will be proven then. Nice post bro :) Rec’d
He looked good at the tail end of last season
But he’s along way from having proven Polamalu in his prime kind of ability
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Once again as far as rookies go
He played the most amount of snaps by far of any Chiefs player.
He did get burnt a lot early on.
He learned from his mistakes/really smart player.
We should all be excited especially if he can maintain the number of snaps and still be healthy.
I'm definitely excited to see his development. But he's not there yet
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
85 ... not sure what your definition of "elite" is for Hali being that for the last THREE years
and yeah, Berry is good and should only improve as he learns the game, but there too … he has to PROVE it, and until he does, Polamalu is “the man” (at least has been for a few years … if Berry is even close to that good for 5 yrs, we have a winner there)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Elite as in
being in the top five in terms of QB disruptions (Hurries, Sacks, Knockdowns) oh and not being called when being held ;)
ok, now I gotta see some numbers
Pro Football Ref?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Good one, TC. Rec'd.
You’re always great at stirring the pot and creating conversation.
"Now you can luxuriate in a nice jail cell, but if your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you." -- Malcolm Reynolds
I prefer the Op Ed pieces on my Turesday posts.
They seem to generate more comments.
BTW.. just read your latest. nice to have you back.
I record and watch the games 4 or 5 times each to study the D-line, so it’s nice to compare my notes to your posts.
We don’t grade everything the same way, but I can’t find any more fault in your system than mine.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Kool-aid drinker here.
I’ve found it goes down nicely with a shot or two of vodka or rum.
Figuratively, I mean.
Well, the Kool-aid is figurative, anyway.
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