Just My Observations From the Game
[From the fanposts. Really nice observations from 808NaNz808! -Matt]
Sorry Blind Tiger I realize you have a post exactly like this below mine now I guess, I started to write this out as a comment on that post but it started getting long so I put it here. Anyway, I sat up late last night after work and watched the game on NFL Preseason live, pretty good deal. Just some things I remember noticing in no particular order.
- Powe looked pretty good for it being his first game. But Toribio looked better, it's his third year in the league so if he is going to break out, now would be the proper time to do so
- Bailey was getting man handled on one on one.
- Gales should have been cut on the field. For someone as big as he is, he was in the secondary almost the whole night getting drilled by second string linemen.
- Erik Bahktari or however you spell his name, really impressed me last night. He's a good option as a backup OLB, his first step off the line is crazy, and he uses a wide range of moves to get to the QB, I saw him just throw the LT to the ground on one play and the LT was like "WTF just happened!!????"
- Thomas Jones looks like he want to ball this year. He was going all out like he was playing for a roster spot. Side note: I didn't know the Chiefs had the fourth all time rushing game last season.. Pretty cool stuff when you consider we're getting that back plus Steve Breaston and Jon Baldwin.
- Baldwin looked like he could become special. He reminded me of Andre Johnson a bit on that almost catch. He used his superior size to make a catch almost as though the CB wasn't even guarding him, just out muscled him and made him look like an idiot. Too bad he was out of bounds
- whoever number 9 was. Dude really wants to make the team. He was trying to take out punts and kicks that any sane human being ould have let go. Let's just say I'm glad Arenas and McCluster will be returning kicks and not 9 and Lawrence.
- Speaking of Lawrence. Is he PS eligible? Because he's not going to make the team, but his upside is intriguing. He was getting picked on all night, but the speed and size he brings to the CB position would really help against the Chargers.
- Justin Houston is a smart football player. He took the most correct angle presented him in every instance he was on the field. I saw a play where Houston got into the backfield and the play got away from him. Instead of chasing the player from behind, he side stepped back across to the other side of the line of scrimmage, ran at a perfect angle, and stopped the play 5 yards down the field. Beauty
- Sabby Piscetelli sucks. He was in for a large portion of the game and he is just as advertised, athletic as hell, but just a stupid football player. Terrible angles and he would break on routes waaay too early.
- Amon Gordon actually looked pretty good. Given, he was going against third string linemen. Still, he got rid of his man (mostly power moves) effectively and did just what was expected of him
- Dexter McCluster showed us what we all know, if you give him space the dude is going to eat your lunch. He didn't get much playing time. McCluster showed a pretty good ability to throw around his weight to stay upright on that draw. Still, if it was Charles that spin move would have been executed a lot better.
- Micah Johnson impressed me. Of all the ILB's last night Johnson showed the most ability to get rid of a blocker and make a play on the second level, or behind the line. I remember a play where a guard got to him, he rode the guard until the runner chose a lane, then just tossed the guard aside and stuffed the runner and the 2nd level. Pretty awesome play.
- Brandon Siler was (presumably) where he was meant to be in pass coverage. I didn't get to notice him too much against the run and rushing the passer, seeing as TB decided they want to fight like they were in the superbowl.
- Cory Greenwood, my goodness, he has so much potential it hurts. His ability to wrap up the ball carrier and take him down is exciting, he's going to be at the very least, a special teams rockstar for us for a very long time.
- Justin Cole stepped his game up, at least for the time he was on the field. He was pretty decent in coverage and showed good reaction on that sack. Sat and waited for Powe to open up a lane then bursted through it. Gary Gibbs was probably happy to see that.
- Tyson Jackson was getting some pretty good push, whenever Toribio took on a double team, Jackson dominated the RT. almost pushed him into the QB a few times
- It kind of irritated me that Tampa was blitzing the QB almost every play, pretty low class if you ask me, coaches generally lay off of blitzes in the pre-season just to give that QB a chance to make it to the regular season.
- Josh Freeman looked legit. Still, we weren't blitzing 8 men like the bucs and he was throwing against third stringers the whole game, but he looked sharp!
- Tyler Palko better have a good game next week or dude is going to be out of the NFL. He makes a lot of proper reads, he just isn't accurate at all. Which is probably why he lasted so long. He's smart, but his accuracy, and feel for the pocket just stinks. Even though their stats were identical, Stanzi outplayed Palko by a mile.
- Stanzi might one day net us some draft picks if he keeps developing. His pocket presence was almost like Romo (100 orders of giants silver exercise balls please). Slippery with his eyes down the field, he was an excellent improviser, with all the pressure Tampa Bay was sending. Stanzi had a very Favresque flip to the running back as he went down. Stanzi might be the guy to put Palko out of the league... I'll never understand why we got rid of Guitierez(sp?) in favor of Palko.
- Jackie Battle just ran out of time. He just about dropped to the floor on two plays before anyone touched him. He gave up a lot on plays and his blocking was horrendous. I think rolling with Charles, Jones, and McCluster, with McClain as an emergency #3 makes sense. If anything, Battle's performance probably put Bannon on the roster.
- Who else thought "Game" Gabe Miller looked pretty good last night. His strength is just incredible. How many players his size, do you see successfully bull rushing RT's? His range of moves and abillity really impressed me last night. Here I was thinking he was going to play ILB, glad I'm not running this team, Pioli knows what he's doing.
- Kendrick Lewis balled out, as usual. Pretty sure we have a FS of the future. Lewis was around every ball that got into the third level, and attacked downhill very effectively.
- Anyone else think Colquitt looked a little sloppy last night? He was very slow to get the ball out and almost always didn't get very impressive distance, I'm probably wrong, just what I thought.
- Ingersoll is another player that needed to be cut on the field, he was just awful in every aspect of the game.
- Not much to say about Mims, when I noticed he was in he looked like a D3 linemen going up against NFL talent. His technique is still very far from desireable.
- A guy not getting enough credit for last night is Ryan O'Callaghan. He played pretty good football playing LT, meanwhile Barry Richardson looks like he might have taken a vacation that lasted the whole off season. He has a lot of catching up to do... Making it very hard for the front office to decide who's going or whose staying.
- Jeremy Horne may have just made the decision easy, the way I see it, he and Verran Tucker are battling for a spot right now. Horne dropped two catches he should have made. He got rocked pretty hard on his first one, but the ball was already in the basket, you gotta hold on to that. Tucker had a pass thrown his way if I'm not mistaken, he didn't really get a chance to come up with it, it was a Palko ground ball behind the back.
- Jake O'Connell blocked pretty well, came up with a nice reception on a well run route too. I think he can become a very solid #2 TE for us for a very long time.
- Noticed that Jim Zorn was in Cassel's ear the whole game, Cassel looked like he was pissed every time a QB made a mistake. Like we don't already know it, Cassel is a solid leader for this squad. Of all the free agents we took from Baltimore, Zorn might be the best one for us.
- How did I get this far without mentioning Jalil Brown? Brown played a lot of man and did a good job at it. It seems like he's been getting schooled by Brandon Flowers. He was putting his hands where it needed to be, and covered lost ground very well. He and Miller were considered ginormous reaches, as they both should have gone undrafted. If last night was any indication, we may have gotten two steals. Still though it's only been ONE week, so don't get your hopes up.
Haley didn't seem very upset about the loss. My take? He was just trying to evaluate his depth to make the roster cuts easier. A lot of guys that have been floating around the third string for a few seasons got exposed last night. Ultimately I think what was most important was that we walked out of this game with no injuries. Our defense is young and if last night is any indication, pretty stacked. Our young depth along the linebackers and secondary just balled out last night, against first stringers.
But after all, like I said earlier. It really is just one pre season game
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What about Cassel?
No Ints and no incompletions. :)
Thanks for the write-up, rec’d.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
I've said this several times today and I'll say it again...
Stanzi played much better than statistics would indicate. The guy showed a lot of moxie.
*When we blitz, have the LB's do a KC Strip. Do this in remembrance of DT.
*Dear David Glass, as a lifelong Royals fan, I beg you to please sell the team. You have always been the problem; you will never be the solution.
Yeah, I heard he played Like an All American
:)
2011 NFL Draft: Bring on the fatty's!
Stanzi.
Looked better than I was expecting. His first pass he did a college pat the ball move that you see doing a double clutch when your comming from college to the pros. He received an earful on the sidelines. He is a born leader though you could tell that after each serious he was fired up on the sidelines. Made many rookie bone headed decisions but the leadership and potential is there imp.
by 78Chief on Aug 13, 2011 4:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
lol ya he did have
Some hair commingle out of the back if his helmet.
by 78Chief on Aug 13, 2011 4:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's Brady- like................
don.t you think????
Providing COLOR commentary for Arrowhead Pride! AKA The Picture Diva!
Yeah, hair like that takes years of coaching up and a couple of super bowl wins to get right
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
OK, OK Stanzi has nice hair...like Brady; big deal, so did Croyle.
Big question is; what does his girl frienf look like?
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Worse than his girlfriend?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Great post and rec'd
I think Stanzi will hold the fort as backup. He needs more help than he got last night, but in a real game he’ll get it.
"Me and Matt Cassel just fucked you up, dog!"
agree with houston and miller
I liked the way they played last night… I think houston will gived studey a run for his money. I’d like to see how jh does against first string lineman.
and what part of the 808 are you from? i’m living on the north shore of kauai right now. loving the aloha
yeah it's pretty strange
but it’s cool to see all the things that are involved with being a mayor.. Well sort of haha
BOOM!
Considering we saw our #2s and wannabies against TBs #1s....
We did pretty good. However most of what I saw are destined for #2 spots andd STs.
Agree with most of observations by 808. Loved play of Bahktari, Miller, Greenwood , Micah Johnson and 808 forgot to mention Powe. I recall a time where he ate up a double-team and allowed an inside blitzer to nail Tampa QB. I thought Powe looked stout and quicker than expected. Also, I was not disappointed with Toribio. Seemed Gales got most minutes of interior D-Linemen. I liked his effort but my untrained eye did not see anything exciting.
If nothing else the major additions of rookies: Baldwin, Hudson, Houston, Bailey, Stanzi, Miller, Brown, Powe and Bannon will provide quality depth at the #2 spots and contribute to upgrades on STs. Baldwin impressed me most as for as being able to contibite as a #2 or #3 WR.
We will have to see how FAs affect potential upgrades at key positions. Gregg may prove an upgrade at NT. (I’ll feel better if Powe and Toribio can handle back up role and fit into a rotation without any drop off.) Breaston will contribute with Baldwin to give us huge upgrade at WR spots #2 and #3. McClain will give us Upgrade at FB like we have not seen since TRich. Siler looks like at least depth at ILB and upgrade for STs. Piscitelli looks like ST fodder and depth at Safety.
We haven’t seen it yet, but……Gaither may be biggest Upgrade to Team for 2011. If, If, If in a perfect world he comes in healthy and able to play to his potential he can upgrade LOT and allow Albert to move to the Right. Maybe all the way to ROT. If he can handle that transitiion it would allow Richardson to become swingman and quality depth at OT. Improve Pass blocking at both OT spots without drop off in ZBS blocking and improve overall Power Blocking at OT spots….. IF….IF….IF….Maybe….Maybe….Maybe…..
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
by CatChief on Aug 14, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm still thinking the biggest upgrade we got, through FA at least, is Kelly Gregg
I was thinking, “ah nice, a modest upgrade over Edwards” when we signed him.
Now that I’ve had a chance to look at a little film, I think Gregg is going to bring a huge spark to our D Line.
A consistent Dorsey, a newly motivated and more stout TJax outside of a guy like Kelly Gregg may very well end up being an awful lot of fun to watch this year.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
You are so right.
I just hated to lose two guys (Smith and Edwards) that also rotated effectively at DE.
But if Powe and Toribio can back up Gregg and Bailey and Gilberry can be effective in a DE rotation we will have a nice upgrade as a whole on D-Line.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Gregg's reputation is very very good.
But he’s still an older player. I think the Chiefs got a quality guy, but you just never know until you see how these guys in their 30s actually look on the field, one year older. Decline in big men, especially, can be precipitous, because so many things have to be RIGHT to keep those big bodies going.
would of ≠ would've
Bakhtiari just signed Pierre Walters walking papers.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
this
Forgot to mention it. For a guy that has been with our team for a few seasons, Walters looked completely lost, very hesitant to do anything, and when he did he got man handled
BOOM!
He was impressive last night
After a few plays I had to hit the Chiefs site to see who #66 was.
Another note on Miller.
Not only was he all over the field making plays but he showed alot of versatility. I rewatched the game this morning and when Miller was in the game he lined up at three different LB positions(all but WILB).
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Really excited about his potential
Fitting, as he was probably the pick that drew the most ??? from me at the time.
Def was the biggest question mark
coming out of the draft. Question answered. I think most of them answered questions we had with a resounding YES! Bailey and Bannon not so much.
Let's go boys!!!
by BigDaddyChief on Aug 13, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I have high expectations from Miller. He may be steal of draft.
His Pro Day stats looked as good as any LB at Combine. Still dont know why he was not ranked higher. Size, strength, speed, agility smarts are all there.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Try rupturing the same achilles twice as a TE in his early career.
He’s likely the only player with this injury history who was drafted at all.
would of ≠ would've
Number 9
is the Josue Paul guy from the same college as Pioli. But I think it was Chandler Williams (8) who was taking punts. He was pretty bad on the first one he tried to take.
Yep
I like what I’ve seen from Josue Paul (9). Chandler Williams (8) is going to have a hard time making the roster.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Aug 13, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Not impressed with any PR or KR from Tampa game.
Am sure we are just avoiding injury to guys we know will be returners when season starts.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Jalil Brown
was projected to go in rounds 2-4, hardly a reach considering we took him at 4.21. Don’t remember about Miller but afaik, Brown was a steal according to his pre-draft scouting reports.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Big question is his hips, as of now he is limited to the outside/possibly safety
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 13, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
really?
maybe it’s just me reading Walterfootball. He was bashing the pick pretty hard when it happened
BOOM!
Yeah Jalil in the 4th was a good pick, more then solid not even close to a reach.
Walter bashes most Chief’s decisions so that is unsurprising.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 13, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Houston really impressed me when he dropped back
Either into a zone or in man. He dropped back reading the QBs eyes that led directly to the Erik Bahktari sack. Houston started to drop back, QB looked in his area Houston made adjustments and then Erik came around the edge. The biggest knock on him was his coverage(a lot like Tamba he was just never asked to drop) the fact with the little camp time he has had and was able to do what he did last night was very impressive to me.
Our blitzing needs work(of course this was with 2/3/4th stringers) there were a few times when the guys blitzing all got bottled up together and led to no pressure and no coverage.
Powe showed up well out there, I dare say that this years #95 might easily replace last years #95.
I focused on Houston last night, when NFLN reairs the game(Monday at 3am IIRC) I have it set to record and I’ll try to take notice of Brown when he is on the field
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
Tamba Hali was a 4-3 DE Penn State.
Justin Houston played OLB his entire last year and yes, he was asked to cover. I’m just saying. Without looking up any stats, he had at least one pick in college because I saw him do it.
by bamachief5558 on Aug 13, 2011 4:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If you want to be technical then let's get technical
Tamba played DE but then switched to OLB when the defense went from 4-3 to 3-4
Houston played DE but then switched to OLB when the defense went from 4-3 to 3-4
Tamba is the primary rusher as the WOLB
Houston was the primary rusher as the WOLB
Tamba usually rushes not only because he is great at it but because he is all we have for pressure
Houston usually rushed not only because he was good at it but because he was all Georgia had
Tamba has dropped back a time or two and didn’t look horrible
Houston did drop back a time or two and didn’t look horrible
So yes Houston did drop back in college but was mainly asked to rush the QB due to the fact he was the best they had at it.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 13, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I was referring to Tamba coming out of college.
Tamba didn’t play OLB at Penn State to my knowledge.
But I’m not even really disagreeing with you, honestly, I guess I just think Houston is more naturally suited for the LB position than Hali.
by bamachief5558 on Aug 13, 2011 5:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Tamba was thought of as a possible OLB when he was coming out
Why is Houston more naturally suited for the LB position? Because he played 1 season in it?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 13, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
to reconcile
Tamba is a pretty linear athlete. Houston is much more fluid. The latter will have the edge in coverage
Houston was never really tested in college due to the fact like Tamba he was always coming after the QB
I don’t wanna hear about the combine this or the proday that when talking about LB/DE but if that’s the best case..
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 13, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with bamachief5558 on this one.
There’s less lag between realization and actualization, with Houston. I’m not sure what Tamba’s ceiling is in this regard. But Houston already runs the field more like a LB than Hali does.
I saw one play where the Bucs kept the TE in for protection. Houston did a good job of staying home until the QB decided to go downfield, and I’m pretty sure Houston was there to make the tackle before anybody else down the field.
Hali doesn’t get pushed as far out of the play as Houston was on several plays. The better the pass-rusher, the more direct his route to the QB is. Hali has Houston on this.
would of ≠ would've
Hali is better at getting to the QB at this point in time
the point remains Houston is magically more ‘suited’ for LB because he played it once in college while still rushing 90+% of the time? Still waiting for clarification on that.
I was not expecting Houston to drop back as much as he did because of his college career and little time with the Chiefs practicing, and he really impressed me doing it.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 5:24 AM CDT up reply actions
The way I see it is that Tamba had a bigger transition from a 3-4 DE to a 4-3 WOLB...
than Houston has when he goes from a WOLB in college to SOLB in pros. I see both used to maximize their abilities. Hali is now well suited to be a WOLB and Houston seems well suited to be a SOLB.
However Houston may prove to be more versitile and may be able to handle WOLB as well. Houston may also be able to line up as a rush end in a 4-3 allignment like Hali can. Both offer some flexibility for our system which will use both 3-4 and 4-3 fronts. I like idea of switching from one to the other with as little substitution as possible.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I wouldn't say a player who has 1 year as a LB is comfortable in it enough to justify him as a LB
IMO the point is Houston was a DE who is STILL working to make the switch to LB, and the switch to SOLB all at once, not just going from a 3 point stance to a 2 point stance while still rushing the passer 99% of the time
I wanted to see Houston at WOLB and Sheff at SOLB when Hali was not playing.. didn’t happen though. Houston will be a DE in the subsets opposite Hali
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I couldn't care less about those "time @ LB" comparisons, BAMF.
I was going entirely on how athletic Houston appeared to be. He looked like a more natural LB, physically.
Also, your 99% may be true for regulation, but in that 1st preseason game, Houston did something other than rush the passer on the majority of his snaps, imo.
I totally agree that Houston is their top candidate for hand in-or-out of the dirt at that LDE spot in nickel. I don’t think it’s being handed to him. Miller and Sheffield are in the mix.
would of ≠ would've
The 99% works for both Hali when making the switch and Houston
Houston has a lot of work to do but was surprising at SOLB. He only had a few plays to come after the QB
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think there's an outside chance that Bailey gets some looks, there, in
what amounts to 4-2-5, paired up with Hali.
I’m scratchin’ my head STILL on Bailey. It might be tough for him to find a home in the D. But his blend of abilities could be something that’s tougher for offenses to parse than for Crennel to put in the right role. Somebody who plays a lot at one spot in one game and a lot at another spot in another game. He’s a ’tweener whose REALLY between virtually all of the job descriptions.
would of ≠ would've
Bailey could really benefit from a year of being a #2 in most cases with limited playing time
He does seem to have a lot of upside if its as a subpackage rusher or base DE in the future(if any at all). Maybe I just expected to see a little more out of him during that game
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I just saw more evidence of a player who's hard to peg.
A unique blend of abilities that they definitely want to bend to the purpose of 3-4 DE. He’s coming at it from the ’tweener LB/DE direction, though. Not sure if he can get as big as they want him to get, or how he might look, surrounded by starters. Can he get closer to 300 lbs? That 288 might be close to his best attempt at putting on the pounds, and he might just be too small for DE and too lumbering for LB, back down in the 260s or low 270s.
would of ≠ would've
288 might be his max, but damn if he doesn't make 288 look good
He needs to work on his technique more than his weight at this point, if he can put that strength to good use he is fine at 288. Tomorrow I’m going to go back through the game and get a closer look at Bailey late in the game(Along with Jalil) to get a better feel for them
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I won't make my own thread haha
Think we have enough of those
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm hoping it's just technique and awareness, AND
that these can be quickly mastered by Bailey. Good to hear you think he has the necessary stout. That coupled with good quicks for that amount of big, and they may have something pretty special.
would of ≠ would've
Nothing like actual playing to speed up the learning process
One question that comes to mind is if he is in subpackages will be it as a pass rusher or more of a 2 gap role? If it is as a pass rusher then it would stunt his growth as a 2 gapper, if it is as a 2 gapper then we could have some lapses with him and Gilberry as the 2 down linemen if Bailey does not progress quickly enough
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
They want a guy versatile enough to do both.
The onus isn’t on them to avoid stunting Bailey in one area or another, but for Bailey to kick ass, whatever’s asked.
If I’m the HC, Gilberry, Bailey, Bair, Gales, ALL those guys are being evaluated in both roles, because in the back of my head, I’m wanting to have the option of throwing Dorsey and/or Jackson into the middle of that nickel, too. To pull that off, I’d really want to feel good about one of the four named D-linemen to hold down DE on the early downs, possibly involving a bigger WILB, for a combo of stout and speed they had trouble keeping on the field last year.
would of ≠ would've
The problem is Bailey didn't look too sharp as a DE
Which at least to me eye he needs to get the leverage/hand placement/technical side of 2 gapping down which only being used as a pass rusher in subsets would set him back.
Bailey has potential to be able to play both, but at this point I wouldn’t overload the kid
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 16, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Point taken.
But I think that Friday’s game says they’re wanting a steep learning curve for the kid in the base D.
would of ≠ would've
yeah
don’t think we should toss out Bailey based on his first NFL exp
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Not tossing him out, just saying he really needs work as a 2 gapper
With Tjax still a question mark, Dorsey coming up for contract soon, and Gilberry possibly leaving.. would be nice to have a little spark out of him that would show he could be ready if they call him for more playing time
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 16, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Ironically, sub-package is his 1st real shot.
Pass-rusher is the immediate fit. Looked to me like they’re pushing the 2-gap hard, with all the snaps they gave him in base D.
Anyhoo, I respect the point you’re making, but I think the coaching staff are looking at it differently.
would of ≠ would've
My POV is Bailey could take snaps from Dorsey
in subpackages as a 2 gapper, leaving Gilberry as the pass rushing Dlinemen this year. I know I’ve brought that point up and not many agree with it
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 17, 2011 5:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Great write up NaNz
Thanks for that.
by Eastcoastransplant on Aug 13, 2011 2:59 PM CDT reply actions
Nice work.
You’re being very kind though.
This was the most dismal and sloppiest performance by a Chiefs squad in the pre-season that I’ve ever witnessed since their inception that I can recall, and I’ve been watching since the Chiefs were born.
But I expected it, will all the UDFA’s in there, flying around helter skelter, making it impossible for the regulars to perform the way they intented too.
The Chiefs just need to get to the cuts, to give the keepers more time to work and play together in pre-season.
It’s obvious to me, and should be to the Chiefs staff, who the keepers are and who the cuts are going to be.
The sooner they start cutting the crap off of the roster, the sooner they rid themselves of all the confusion on the field.
I’m of the opinion right now after witnessing this mess of a game, that the team will get exponentially better, with every 5 or six cuts down to 53.
JMO.
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." ~Yogi Berra
That's the best positive about the game last night(Yes even better than no injuries)
The fact that we got to weed out a lot of players and can start narrowing down the 53 roster
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 13, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
agree completely
it wasn’t pretty football, but there were a bunch of positives. Then again, like you said, this is what you should expect when you’re playing all depth players against the other teams starters for half the game.
BOOM!
Chiefs have proved competent now in not using up all 90 roster spots for camp.
I recall accusations of reluctance to use all spots as cheap, penny pinching move to save on salaries. Now it just looks like they are a little ahaed on cuts.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Thomas Jones looked so slow. Anybody else would have taken that second carry at least twice as far.
Did you see how long it took him to swap the ball to his other hand? He had to freaking slow down to do it. I love the guy, but part of me wants him cut.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Aug 13, 2011 3:04 PM CDT reply actions
He actually showed some fire last night after gettin shoved out of bounds
Yes he is not as fast as Charles, but to cut him you are crazy. Jones>>>>>>>>>>>>Battle
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 13, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe.
I should probably reserve judgement until I see him run with our Oline.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Aug 13, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Except then we have another hole at FB
You don’t fix a problem by creating another one. We got Bannon some looks last night and he needs a lot of work, Cox did not play so that is up in the air but as of now McClain is the starting FB and he has even said he came to block. Will he get some touches? Of course, but that is no reason to create a hole at FB
There will be RB cuts, we best snag at least 1
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 13, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
Bannon will go to the PS. He didn’t really show anything impressive last night. Of course, only his first game. I think we should also cut Cox and just go with McClain only as FB. Use the spot elsewhere on the roster, perhaps one of the lines.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
I can agree to that, but before restricting McClain as the only FB we need to get
at least another RB to back up Charles/Jones
Left out Dex due to his ability to be an OW more so than a WR or RB
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 13, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I get that but look at what was said
Bannon to PS, cut Cox. Leaving only McClain at FB. IF Charles goes down for the season, Jones gets hurt, pretty sure everyone has jumped off of the Battle bandwagon.. that doesn’t leave much. You have Bannon on PS which can’t be used if this happened in a game, Dex but we are not sure how many hits he can take, then McClain… not that great
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 13, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Charles, Jones, Dex, McClain, Cox/Bannon.
Charles and Dex back each other up
Jones backs up Charles
Jones and McClain back each other up
Cox/Bannon backs up McClain
That’s a very neat web of running backs. If any one part get broken, the other four still make up a perfectly well-rounded group.
"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.
dont be shocked if cox goes to ir, and the only backs we keep are 2 official hbs, 2 official fbs, and one official dex factor
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Yeah, that's kinda what I meant.
Either Cox or Bannon on the final 53, plus the other four.
Using the IR like that is cheating.
"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.
Or we could just find a suitable #3 and be in a much better situation
Out of all of those combos, guess who is no where? Battle. Been one of the few people wanting to replace him for a long time, get a young gun in there while Jones is still around to impart some wisdom
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 13, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Right now, I think that #3 is McClain.
"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.
McClain has said he is a FB
He will get touches no doubt but at this point we need a #3 RB not a OW to fill in nor a FB to fill in if something happens.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 5:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll be shouted down, but I think Dex can run pretty much the same stuff Charles does.
He’s #3 HB, and I think Jones is the one who’s in a more direct fight with Dex for carries and to hold onto his #2 spot.
Jones is good, but Dex is far more of a playmaking threat than Jones. Best foot forward; strong hand uppermost; look for more from Dex rather than less, this year.
I think McClain’s effect on carries should be measured against the HB GROUP, but not against any one HB in isolation. They’re gonna do what they do amongst the HBs, and the HBs will get more or less carries, total, depending on how effective their power game is.
would of ≠ would've
yer right for the most part
Jamaal and Dex have a bit different running styles but probably can do most of the same things effectively. For the Dex doubters it’s important to keep in mind that JC has about 3 seasons additional experience.
And I think Le’Ron will be used as a half back fairly often – situationally. Which I think you are also saying.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
KC's first play from scrimmage was the quick-hitter to the up-back, Bannon.
I like signalling this intention, early, when the up-back as lead blocker (and decoy) is the primary threat.
would of ≠ would've
I'm not saying Dex should have no carries/less carries/more carries
Same with McClain. As of now they are in different positions, and in Dex’s case multiple positions as a OW. We need a #3 RB BADLY.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I keep hearing this and I keep saying KC has 3 halfbacks.
Maybe Dex can’t hold up and that’s a legit concern, but my eyes tell me he’s just flat-out a reliable football player, who can play as much or as little HB as you want him to play. I’d be worried more if I were having to defend against that jitterbugging sonofabitch.
I really think the Chiefs want to use all 3 HBs interchangeably, and I think there’s MORE overlap between Charles and McCluster. Already looking to motion Charles into and out of the slot, which was McCluster’s job last season. It was a failed experiment on Friday, because TB blitzed the safety who mirrored Charles’s motion. KC was expecting Barber to cover Charles, and he just took the short path to McCluster. Not a well drawn-up play (or terrible execution by Charles.
would of ≠ would've
I'm not a fan of having Charles, a decling Jones
Then a OW/FB for the #3 RB spot when there is a spot open for another guy. The #3 may not get a lot of carries but we need to bring in some young blood now while Jones is around
I get why everyone wants or expects Dex and McClain to get the ball several times, I just don’t see what the issue is with replacing Battle
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
No issue with replacing Battle.
But I see us rolling with five RBs – Charles, Jones, Dex, McClain, Cox/Bannon. Which of those five would you cut in favor of a develpmental #3? Or, which other position would you cut so we could carry six backs? Or are you talking about putting the #3 on the practice squad?
In my opinion, we have two #3s right now – Dex and McClain. In fact, that list of five backs is very neat because it gives you two of pretty much any RB position you want….I like where we’re at very much, only see us changing when Jones decides to retire or Pioli sees a RB prospect that slipped in the draft.
"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.
Cox/Bannon are pure FBs, McClain will be starting FB
Dex is OW so as of now we have Charles, Jones, Battle(as actual listed RBs). Might be the end of Cox’s time in KC as well as Battle’s.
When teams start cutting I expect to see several later round/udfa backs hit the street, which would be perfect for us to snag one up to groom. I’m not talking about trading for one or drafting for one at this point just grabbing someone this year
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
So you would replace Cox with a HB?
Then what if McClain goes down? Keep Bannon or another FB on the practice squad?
That’d work, but I like that we can have an in-game ready replacement for any running back position. Think about each one of those five going down, and you’ll see one (or two) of the other four as a very good replacement for what he can do….
I'M THE BRSRKR. YOU SHUT UP.
Replace Battle with a new HB
Cox might get the boot due to the fact we now have McClain that will be the starter, and we picked up Bannon even if he is on the PS one would assume Pioli/Haley/Co. saw something they liked in him.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we're just disagreeing on how legit we think Dex is.
I know he’s a mere 170, and that may eventually sink his boat. But I definitely see him as legit HB, with some uncommon skills. I think the Chiefs are still transitioning, and need uncommon talents like Charles and McCluster in order to compete.
This is NOT the depth chart I expect to see a year or two down the road, when/if they get O-Line and passing game figured out. Down the road, I can see them going with more conventional all-around backs, in the mold of Thomas Jones, where, like Denver did a few years back, all-around good RBs look really really good.
would of ≠ would've
I'm fine with Dex the issue I have with the idea of Dex
Going in for Charles if Charles gets injured is the fact we would lose Dex in the passing game, like if Jones and Dex were out there the defense would account for Dex differently then if it was only Dex without JC playing.
I think Dex can be effective, I just see us running with 3 RBs(right now its Charles/Jones/Battle) and I would love to get some new blood in Battles spot.
Not trying to alter Dex or McClains roles, I’m believing they will both be a factor into the offense and Haley is already working ways to get them involved with Charles and or Jones
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Dex is going to get most of his receptions from HB, imo.
Looking at the logjam at WR, I don’t think McCluster is needed all that much in the slot, and he was just a utility patch last year, where they had nobody behind Charles who could bring that same level of threat 2-deep and give help @ WR, which they needed, big-time.
I think what skews our take is the fact that the insurance player got the high ankle sprain, and the main guy played 17 games. I’m not one who thinks Dex is an injury risk, because of what happened in 2010. But something similar happening in 2011 would be a trend, and I’d be much less sanguine about relying on Dex to keep bringing it if Charles had a health problem.
would of ≠ would've
Just replace Battle with a new HB that's all I'm bringing up
Or attempting to. I’m not talking about taking chances away from Dex or Charles or Jones or McClain, nor am I debating how effective Dex or McClain could be as a RB.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha, I see where we disconnect.
In my mind’s line-up, Battle is already gone :) Therefor not eligible to be replaced by anybody.
I'M THE BRSRKR. YOU SHUT UP.
Pshht yall are just trying to be mean to me
:’(
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
that's the risk you always take
what if Gregg, Toribio, and Powe all get injured. We’re fucked.
I just think carrying 1 FB is not really that big of a risk. Heck last year there was a lot of talk and surprise about us keeping 2.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
He was slow yes
but he showed why he’s here. He stepped into a closing hole, side stepped to an opening and took it as far as he could. A lot of savvy there. Plus, after seeing Battle, I’m very happy we have Jones
BOOM!
Jones slowness
I don’t think he looked slow. He just wasn’t running at speed. I think on that play he looked slow because he was looking for another cut and kept sort of short stepping but then just nothing was there.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
I agree
I don’t think last night was indicative of TJ’s speed at all. He clearly slowed up to make his way out of bounds to avoid getting injured by some 2nd stringer with something to prove (he’s not a burner to begin with). Now as for Battle’s speed, that’s a different story…
Let's go boys!!!
by BigDaddyChief on Aug 13, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that all they can do to him?
I’m thinking a public flogging is in order.
Let's go boys!!!
by BigDaddyChief on Aug 13, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Was you.....
at the game or watching it on tv? I was at the game and on that particular play he hit the edge quickly (not jamal quick but quicker than last year). He then did do a studer step thing when he changed the ball to his outside hand and was surveying his path of choice. When he made the decision to go outside he hit a burst again. He showed fire after that late hit/shove. Happened right in front of me so that’s why I ask if you were there or saw it on tv. Live he looked really good.
by 78Chief on Aug 13, 2011 4:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The key was the O-Line poppin' 'im to the second level.
I remember how Emmitt Smith used to pick his way like that. He did it his whole career, and they only thought he looked slow when he no longer had an O-Line poppin’ ’im every single play.
Runningbacks like Thomas Jones will win you a championship on a complete team. He’ll never make a bad team look good, occasionally, like Jamaal has done. But on an offense that’s clicking, he’ll get you solid yards all day long, error-free and tough as nails.
would of ≠ would've
great comment
Thomas Jones will win you a championship on a complete team. He’ll never make a bad team look good
just about sums it up. Jones is solid, but he needs a supporting cast at this point in his career. I really do hope we can get him a Championship before he retires
BOOM!
First time poster
Long time lurker.
Anyway, I love how Stanzi looked. Palko looked like a joke. Being a qb in the NFL requires a certain grace under fire. Stanzi proved he has that in spades, unlike Palko.
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by nateforchiefs on Aug 13, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I just want to know why...
Morris had the Bucs playing like a regular season game? So much blitzing and doing things that didn’t seem to evaluate the talent that he had because when you rush 8 at the line, you can’t see the 1 LB or DL do their job specifically. I’m proud that Haley didn’t freak out, go into a rage and do some trash-talking/finger-pointing in the middle of the field at Morris…I think Haley just let it go because Morris is a young coach and got caught up with it being their first game after the lockout. Haley will have a good evaluation of the team talent while Morris and the Bucs will have a win…and that’s it. I hope they progress, but if they keep playing like this then I think they’ll hit a wall soon…
There's no hope with dope...
the announcers were hilarious
they never stopped talking about how young TB is. But, almost in the same breath, they mentioned their RT (i think) as being “maybe the only truly open roster spot” on their team. Really? A sucky team that suddenly won 10 games last year (like us) is suddenly full and complete? They’re done? They can’t improve? And, yet, the announcers seem to think TB will be in the SB.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
The announcing was a joke.
But they get paid to treat it like a regular season game I guess. Pretty lame they spent 80% of the time talking about the Bucs though.
Let's go boys!!!
by BigDaddyChief on Aug 13, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's hard to take, but OTOH, the announcers SHOULD give extra words to the team that is winning.
Fans hate it when all they do is talk up the team that’s losing. The Bucs made more good plays, so they deserved more verbiage.
Nevertheless, the announcers didn’t sound very knowledgeable about changes or who the new players were. For instance, it was as simple as “Chiefs needed pass rush, so they took Houston in the 3rd round.” Yes, Houston’s the highest prospect chosen for that purpose, but there are also Miller, Sheffield, and (getting his last bye-bye shot) Walters in the mix, and THAT was the story of this game. And it looks like it’s going to be a lively competition, with the returning veteran, Walters, down on points, after Friday’s game.
There’s also VERY lively competition at ILB, CB and S, and Haley got good looks at a LOT of guys.
would of ≠ would've
Yeah, Howie and Billick were trying to bottle the essence of Buccaneer-boner for sure
got so ridiculous I had to mute the game for awhile.
2011 hopefuls: Being competitive and whooping the holy poop out of the AFC West.
by shotty on Aug 13, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice post.
Trying to bottle the essence of Buccaneer-boner. Hilarious!!
Lmao..
Props for originality.
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by chiefsfan62 on Aug 14, 2011 12:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
For all I know, chrisjo07, Haley and Morris agreed to do it that way.
A chance to give Morris’s guys some confidence, and a chance for Haley to get a look at a BUNCH of players for those last roster spots. Haley got a better reading on the bubble players by pitting them against Morris’s #1s, and Morris’s #1s had a low-risk way of seeing themselves do good things.
And I don’t care what they throw at us in preseason, as long as it’s within the rules. Maybe Morris wanted to fine-tune his blitz packages and Haley wanted to test his backups under actual enemy fire. It’s REALLY easy to get a false read on players when you go #2s versus #2s. It DOES give you an overall sense which team has better depth, but Haley did a smart thing. If the guy’s gonna be owned on the field by starting caliber opposition, better to find out, now, or, in the case where it’s an inexperienced player, he gets the benefit of seeing himself on film against starting-caliber opposition.
I don’t necessarily like seeing it, because it can give a young QB happy feet (and Stanzi started showing signs of this, when things broke down on EVERY play), but we got a really good sense of how good Stanzi’s feet are, and how elusive he is in traffic. Baldwin (and Urban, I hope) is changing how KC QB’s think about pressure. There’s going to be a fairly easy area throw any time he’s singled-up. Even when the ball was underthrown when Baldwin had a step, he STILL got his big mitt on it before the defender.
would of ≠ would've
No problem man.
This is way better than my observations.
Sign Aubrayo Franklin: Sign Nick Barnett: Sign Le'ron Mcclain
Sign Shaun Smith: Sign Brandon Carr: that's all I ask.
Very insightful post!
I think I agree with literally every single point 808 made. Even the Colquitt one. He just didn’t look right to me. I was shocked at how football ready Justin Houston looked. Pretty smart looking for someone who failed a drug test right before the NFL combine. You’re the man 808.
Let's go boys!!!
Rec'd!
Felt the same about this, especially Miller and Brown. Houston impressed me. I didn’t expect that kind of speed. Completely agree that Haley did this to make a lasting impression on the rooks and back-ups. Definitely make whittling this team down that much easier.
2011 hopefuls: Being competitive and whooping the holy poop out of the AFC West.
excellent post
I agree Houston looked pretty good. You didn’t mention it but he JUST missed a sack by the tips of his fingers.
This morning I watched through again with the FF and Slow buttons trying to watch the DL and some LBs. They played Bailey, Toribio, Gales lineup a lot. And Bailey Gales tandem in the 2 down set. I’m not a good evaluator at all but didn’t think Gales was as bad as you mentioned. One thing I liked about him as well as Powe and Toribio is that they seemed to stay hustling a lot. Even when the play got behind them they turned and ran all the down the field after it. Powe finished off Johnson on that long gallop he had. Granted, that gallop was sucky in terms of all the missed tackles left in the wake.
Greenwood was all over the place. And, Baldwin is going to rock – big time I think.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
I agree on Gales
I didn’t watch him every play and I’m certainly no expert, but I thought he looked solid the times I noticed him.
Good points except
that Stanzi will “net us draft picks”. Silly. No way he was drafted to be traded, I wish people would stop taking Pioli’s words out of context and drop this idea… do people forget that Matt Cassel is our starter, and not Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers?
I’d put money on Stanzi taking us into the playoffs before being “flipped” for picks.
by bamachief5558 on Aug 13, 2011 4:18 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
It will come to some point - hopefully
that we’ll either trade Cassel or Stanzi if they are both showing well in a couple years. However, I’ll take Pioli at his word that he intends to draft QBs often. This is probably in hopes of discovering another hidden gem like Brady but also because they can be used as “currency” if they show any promise.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Eh..
I just don’t see it in this case.. Cassel is average and Stanzi is coming out of college way better than Cassel was.
I guess what it comes down to is that I just can’t see us holding onto Cassel and dealing Stanzi if Stanzi becomes good enough to be valuable.
by bamachief5558 on Aug 13, 2011 5:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i think i agree with you
Stanzi with youth and talent would be more valuable than cassel at 31 or 32 yrs old
But i still think Pioli will draft a QB nearly every draft
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
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Go Chiefs!!!!!
Oh, I agree with keeping Stanzi
if he really does show to be good just based on age.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
I don't know, Cassel still has a ways to go before he hits the rocking Chair
if Stanzi can develop, he may be ready to start in two years.. Tough decision
BOOM!
I wanted to throw one more name
In there that I watched for awhile last night. Bair #70 I think it was looked really good. He allowed outside runs and didn’t hold contain on some plays but he was disruptive on many more. Knocked the LT on his back side many times. He gets a pretty good first push.
Powe looked good at times then other times seemed like he was slow firing off the ball. I am guessing this is just conditioning though. He has a much larger side to his game.
by 78Chief on Aug 13, 2011 4:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Bair is #90 I believe
but yeah that dude looks beastly, I’m excited about him
Powe, too.
by bamachief5558 on Aug 13, 2011 5:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
BEST FanPost of the day!!!
No one even came close to you NaNz!
I appreciate your commentary on what was actually happening on the field..
So much better than the ‘between the lines’ / ‘inside joke’ type of stuff that we’ve had to filter through today.
Very refreshing – THIS is why I read AP!
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by chiefsfan62 on Aug 13, 2011 5:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Your way off on Gales buddy
I watched him the entire game….every play.
He wasnt spectacular, but neither was anyone else.
He was left in there too long on some of the Bucs drives….he got gassed and was not as effective as he should be.
But to say he should be cut after the first preseason game? You need to watch the game with your glasses on next time!
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
I'll believe you
if anyone was watching Gales closer than anyone else. I will, without even knowing you watched the game or not, believe it was Matt Grbac of AP haha.
BOOM!
Good spot to jump in.
I thought Gales looked pretty good, in spots. Not quite sure WHOM to blame for the problems with the base D on early-down passing plays. Gap discipline was for shit. That front 3 of Bailey-Toribio/Powe-Gales lost track of the QB too regularly. With Dorsey in there, trying to escape up the middle was a losing proposition.
Bailey got pancaked or otherwise was made irrelevant on too many plays. On a couple plays, it seemed to me that NT was the weak link. I don’t think Toribio gets enough push. The DEs might be doing a good job against those deep drops, but if the NT isn’t getting upfield, there’re some big alleys inside the 2 ends that Smith-Edwards-Dorsey almost never gave up.
Anyhoo, it wasn’t easy to turn the corner to Gales’ side. I thought he did a good job of stringing the play out. He moved a LOT better than the Dion Gales I remember from when he first bulked-up (which, imo, was long before it showed up on any websites). His head is in it, now. He’s processing better.
I’m pleased to say that they’re going to have some tough decisions to make, and it may be that any of Friday’s starting 3 linemen will be just fine in combination with 1 or 2 starters. Hard to say just how good Amon Gordon can be in Crennel’s scheme. I think he brought some familiarity with it.
One thing I will say is that I don’t think dollar amounts matter a bit to the coaching staff. The FO paid what they had to pay to get the players in for a look-see, and the better player sticks, regardless.
would of ≠ would've
I watched a different game
Great post except we saw players’ performances differently. But that’s what’s great about posts like this. You can compare notes, even if they are very different.
Concerned
I know we didn’t have our starters in and we were running base stuff while TB looked like they were play calling the Super Bowl, but still…
Blocking was horrendous. Our #2 pick out of FSU was dominated.
Our DL looked sad. It wasn’t like TB had their best players in the whole time and our guys simply couldn’t shed a block.
We looked confused. It looked like our guys were allbwaiting for someone else to make a play. Thomas Jones was the only player I saw showing any attitude or pride. Everyone else looked like they were completely tired and uninspired.
Pretty hard to evaluate qbs and running backs when 3 defenders are hitting them the moment they touch the ball.
The only redeeming quality of this game is that our sad play and turnovers made average players look like pro bowlers. Maybe Tampa will keep some people they should cut cause we made them look good.
Jones ran well through a VERY nice hole.
They weren’t exactly doggin’ it when Jones carried the rock.
would of ≠ would've
Thanks for this Nanz. Great, great stuff
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Very nice post Nanz
I will say, I think Palko should have been cut at halftime. He and Croyle are the two worst QB’s I think I’ve ever seen.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
You obviously
weren’t around for the Steve Bono days.
Let's go boys!!!
by BigDaddyChief on Aug 13, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Pat Barnes would like a word with you.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Aug 14, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
agree totally on houston
I recall a play where the runner was headed away from him into a closing lane. Houston, rather than fight through garbage, hustled around the back edge to seal the back end of the lane. He didn’t get the tackle but had the last guy missed he would have been there to shut him down.
Did anyone else notice
the play where Sheffiled got rolled up on and went down? Looked like he may have been injured. Next play Houston was in and I don’t believe Sheffield ever returned…
Sheff was back in after halftime
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 13, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
sometimes it's good to be wrong
I went back and checked, and indeed he did return. Good
His technique is still very far from desireable.
After a whole week of coaching??? Waste a a good UFA signing, then. Usually only takes a couple of days to become technically proficient.
Nice write up, though.
In a shortened pre-season with very little time before roster cuts and real games
This matters.
Just because you don’t like the fact doesn’t make it not true. Hopefully the big guy can make the practice squad and with a year or so of coaching up be a real contributor.
But lack of technique at this level is very costly come game time. And with our season opener less than a month away, he’s probably not ready to block pro level pass rushers yet.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Thanks for seeing a bunch of stuff I didn't, and taking the time to write it down.
"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.
Good Stuff
The only thing I disagree with is Toribio. I think he was pretty much manhandled all night.
The 3-man rush or 3-man-plus OLB didn't look great.
Seemed like Gales and Bailey got upfield pretty good, a few times, but the NT was getting stoned at the line. Lack of push up the middle and the DEs lost contact with the NT, and there was a lot of running room. Dorsey and Smith did a lot better job denying escape to their inside shoulder. Our young pass rushers were continually running themselves past the QB, and not controlling their blocker the way Smith and Dorsey did. They might’ve been stalled too easily, but they controlled a wide area to either side of the blocker.
The thing about Toribio that I always notice is, while his technique is OK and his head is in it, he’s giving up ground as he works his way laterally. Always gets pushed off the line. This was more noticeable when Jackson was in there on the first series or two. Jackson was doing more of his fighting on the Bucs’ side of the LOS.
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Jackson looked pretty stout.
But I’ve yet to re-watch the game in a more critical mode. That’ll happen later today.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I had Tucker and Horne flip-flopped in my "book."
Horne made a couple catches and the pass you thought was way behind Tucker, I considered a very catchable ball that would’ve been a key 3rd-down conversion, and Tucker, whose main attraction was surehandedness, muffed it.
Baldwin believes every ball in reach (and he has a helluva reach) is HIS. This alone makes him pretty special, to me, and valuable to the team. The protections were poor enough that you have to use Randy Moss tactics to get him going. But Baldwin looks a lot tougher in heavy traffic, like it takes more out of the DBs than it does him, which reminds me of Otis Taylor. Bowe is also a bullying WR, when put in the right situations. This looks like it’s gonna work.
I’m going back and forth on D-line and still getting jersey numbers straight for some of the players, like Bakhtiari and amoora-moora or whatever his name is.
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My overall take is pretty positive.
Ugly as that game was, I see numerous places where better-than-2010 players are going to push some 2010 players out. I also see some 2010 players who keep hanging in there, and are showing something new. Standout in that regard is Quinten Lawrence, who’s a tracklete, who somehow didn’t catch on as a WR, but appears to play CB fairly well.
Brown seems like a natural for press corner. It may not fit what they want to do all the time, unless he can just come up and press all day long, while the rest of the D plays 10-on-10. Anyhoo, I LOVE seeing a corner who can’t WAIT to get his hands on the WR. It’s disrespectful and confident to the point of arrogance.
Chiefs ran a LOT of passive man-off coverage against the slot. Still waiting to see the slot DB up at the line, challenging the receiver physically and, like Ronde Barber did to the CHIEFS, using that in-tight position as a launch pad for the blitz.
BIG NEGATIVE: Wrapping-up and tackling. One guy who impressed me with his tackling was Quinten Lawrence, as much because of his semi-failed WR attempt. He may never be a great route-runner, but he’s a physical football player, with better instincts as a defender than I expected.
There may be some guys who caught our eye for good highlights, who end up being downgraded because of some tackling lowlights, on ST and regular D.
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Also notice Copper's pair of workmanlike receptions?
And the game’s not too big for him when he gets the ball. You have your work cut out for you bringing him down.
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Yeah Copper looked like he was consistent but not flashy.
All cake and no icing, which on a Haley team is probably a guarantee of making the roster.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
We may have walked away without any major injuries.....
But we definitely walked away with some bruised EGO’s!
Pre-Season or not that was one large GOOSE EGG on the scoreboard!!!!!!!!!!!
Jared Allen, Culinary Acadamy
Why would the score matter in a PRACTICE?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 14, 2011 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Great post NaNz
Your breakdown helped me make more sense of what I was seeing. It’s been a super busy weekend, so I’ve not had a chance to re-wind and this post gave that to me.
Thanks for taking the time to write this up
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
BAMF wrote the following:
My POV is Bailey could take snaps from Dorsey
in subpackages as a 2 gapper, leaving Gilberry as the pass rushing Dlinemen this year. I know I’ve brought that point up and not many agree with it
I don’t start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Things was gettin’ too skinny, up above, BAMF. Even though Bailey was at LDE most of the game, I think he’s going to push Dorsey (if anyone) for playing time.
NOTE: First defensive series had Bailey at LDT and Jackson at RDT on 3rd and 3. Be looking for more of that sort of thing. In my view, depth at DE is as much about having the freedom to slide Jackson/Dorsey/both inside in the nickel, as anything else. FWIW, Jackson was noticeably quicker off the snap and ran his blocker right into Freeman’s lap. No stat for that, but I know it’s why the pass came out so quickly for the incompletion. To his credit, Bailey was only about half-a-step behind Jackson with his bull rush. He didn’t look as good, later, head-to-head, but it’s there, baby.
Anyhoo, I DO think the issues with the nickel are solved.
I wonder how many snaps Dion Gales is going to get. Head more in the game, but tendency to commit the cardinal sin of overpursuing. D-Line needs to keep the offense honest. Back-side pursuit should never be caught the wrong side of the cutback. DE in pass rush can be beaten in space by a mobile QB, but the idea is NEVER be beaten to your inside shoulder and just make sure he has to take the LONG way around to beat you outside. Gales, meh. That may explain the influx of new DLs. I halfway expect NOT to see him much at all in Game 2. I think he’s down to somebody else fucking it up badly enough for him to get another shot.
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And you'll have a hard time starting a fight with me, since we're both so frickin' civil.
Keep on keepin’ on with the football talk. I appreciate the social ‘n’ all that, but I mainly just want to talk about the game on the field, which is pretty much what you do.
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