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Chiefs Depth Chart: Looking At Linebackers

SAINT JOSEPH, MO - JULY 31:  Linebacker Gabe Miller #51 practices during Kansas City Chiefs Training Camp on July 31, 2011 in Saint Joseph, Missouri.  (Photo by Jamie Squire/Getty Images)

The Kansas City Chiefs first (unofficial) depth chart of the year came out this week and we continue to break down every position group. Here's a link to the offensive depth chart talk.

We move onto the linebackers today. This is always a tough group to figure out because some of the reserve linebackers' value is on special teams and, frankly, that's a little harder to evaluate.

We think we know who will be starting at three of the four linebacker spots in the Chiefs 3-4 defense. Here's how the depth chart looks right now:

Star-divide

LOLB: Andy Studebaker, Cameron Sheffield, Justin Houston

LILB: Jovan Belcher, Brandon Siler, Justin Cole, Amara Kamara

RILB: Derrick Johnson, Demorrio Williams, Cory Greenwood, Micah Johnson

ROLB: Tamba Hali, Pierre Walters, Eric Bakhtiari, Gabe Miller

Hali isn't going anywhere. We know that. DJ will be there as well and I would predict Studebaker is the season's starter as well. The biggest battle comes between Belcher, the incumbent, and Siler, the new guy. Both can play special teams and both have their strengths at linebacker so I imagine both will make the roster. From there, we can predict the Chiefs drafted linebackers will make it -- Houston and Miller. I'd also predict Greenwood makes it.

That's eight spots that I've predicted and I feel near-100 percent certain on just a few of them. Sheffield probably makes it since he hasn't had much of an opportunity to show the coaching staff what he can do. Pierre Walters has looked decent in camp and probably has the edge over Bakhtiari there.

So here's how I see things shaking out right now with my surprise cut as Demorrio Williams:

LOLB: Andy Studebaker, Cameron Sheffield, Justin Houston

LILB: Jovan Belcher, Brandon Siler, Justin Cole

RILB: Derrick Johnson, Cory Greenwood

ROLB: Tamba Hali, Gabe Miller

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The Chiefs depth chart simply reads one word

Mims.

Just because you disagree with someone or something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Aug 10, 2011 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

David Mims said I had to say that as my 1000th comment on AP

Just because you disagree with someone or something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Aug 10, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just 1000?

You’re a noob, and if you don’t like it. PICTURE ME SLAPPIN D.MIMS BIOTCH!!

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Doctors will find out that Tebows blue balls were effecting his ability to throw a accurate pass.

by CPT.Caveman on Aug 10, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok.

Just because you disagree with someone or something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Aug 10, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I tried to picture it

But David Mims erased it from my imagination

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by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Aug 10, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO

Nice, and you’ve now been taken off my noob list.

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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 10, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

wouldn't count on it last the entire pre-season

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

But I just joined in

I was busy all weekend get the room ready for a new baby in a couple months so I was unable to have fun with everyone then.

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by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Aug 10, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, played out like a high top fade

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by severn58 on Aug 10, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

David Mims said you would say that

Just because you disagree with someone or something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Aug 10, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even Mims is sick of these jokes

Except when Mims makes them.

That is cray-z.

by DrDC on Aug 10, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate to always agree

but I agree!

DW would be a fantastic cut, IMHO, because it would show the Chiefs have faith in the young talent on the team.

Siler can play both spots as a backup, and play ST… so I don’t even see a need for Cole on the roster. I’d rather see Micah Johnson get a shot.

by stagdsp on Aug 10, 2011 5:08 PM CDT reply actions  

stag, you're like Ed McMahon to Juel's Johnny Carson

you even laugh horribly ;-)

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Siler was backing up both spots and DJ got injured

How could we cover, anybody?

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 10, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Siler is not horrible in coverage

More McGraw?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Siler is pretty bad in coverage

Belcher-esque when covering Todd Heap

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 10, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

At this point it would be DW taking DJ's spot, but people are calling for DW to be cut

So it would be down to Siler

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not personally calling for Demorrio to be cut

I’d love to see one of the young guys step up and make him expendable, but for now I realize he’s a solid depth player. Until someone else outplays him, I’m fine with him staying on the team.

by bh13 on Aug 10, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather keep Demorrio than Cory Greenwood.

He can play ST and has some versatility as a pass rusher on 3rd downs. Greenwood hasn’t showed me anything.

"Toby has been cruising for a bruising for years, and I am now his cruise director. And my name, is Captain Bruising."

by bobby sippio! on Aug 10, 2011 5:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Greenwood has shown up big on ST

Williams is a liability on ST, IMO.

you need your backup LBs to be athletic and contribut on Special Teams

by stagdsp on Aug 10, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps Greenwood is better on ST,

but I’d be a little worried if he had to step up for an injured DJ or Belcher. DW at least has some experience.

"Toby has been cruising for a bruising for years, and I am now his cruise director. And my name, is Captain Bruising."

by bobby sippio! on Aug 10, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Demorrio crushed some people

last year on special teams. I was at the Titans game and he lit people up. However, I dont think his salary is worth keeping him around for since, also in the Titans game, Greenwood played A LOT and was even matched up man with Chris Johnson quite a bit. I’d hate to see Greenwood go because I think he has the potential to be special. I’m a Husker fan so I like Demorrio too, but I think we’ve already seen his best days…hate to say.

Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.

by kc_radrh8r on Aug 10, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

then too, it's POSSIBLE that Miller doesn't make it ... or even Siler for that matter, who knows

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Just because Miller was a 5th round pick doesn’t mean he’s an automatic lock. Neither is Siler just because they recently signed him. I’d say past the starters (and Houston), it’s probably pretty wide open. Should be fun to watch.

by bh13 on Aug 10, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Siler isn't going anywhere

at this point, he’s our second best inside linebacker

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Aug 10, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Belcher is better

Personally

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 10, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

And so is DW

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 10, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

While I expect there to be SOME overlap, Ups,

and some possible spillover from those pass rushers into the SILB slots, I’m not sure that talking about Siler and Miller in the same breath is on the money. Could be an apples and oranges thing. But it WOULD be nice, from MY point-of-view, to see KC generally get bigger at both strong-side LB spots. I think they targeted pass rushers, and a couple of those guys might stick around longer, while they make some decisions. Like maybe an ILB leaves early, and is then brought back at a later date, after the Miller-Studebaker-Houston-Sheffield-Walters dust settles.

Personally, I think that Walters is one who’s going to have the toughest time of it. It was lack of pass rush that brought IN Houston and Miller. And if Walters were going to bring it, where the hell did he hide it last year?

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 10, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Greenwood was good on STs

and saw more regular playing time towards the end of the season. That guy has a very high ceiling and some of the best coaches in the league. My prediction is that he becomes very good in short time.

by Chiefs4Life on Aug 10, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hasn't showed me anything?

You go get beer’s during punts and kicks Sippio? Greenwood was all over last year! Plus they locked him up a day or two before the lockout when they didn’t really need to. Haley told him to work hard over the summer cause they wanted to use him more this year. That tells me they see somthing in him and he’ll be sticking around. Defensive player of the year his last year at Concordia, kid can play, just needs a chance!

by CanuckCHIEF'SFan on Aug 10, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oy, ya caught me there man- I remember Greenwood hitting a few blocks on ST;

but in all honesty, yeah, I have a bad habit of refreshing the beer and snacks during special teams plays haha

"Toby has been cruising for a bruising for years, and I am now his cruise director. And my name, is Captain Bruising."

by bobby sippio! on Aug 10, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can fix that Sips

I’ll send you some Canadian beer (we put booze in ours) and a cooler to put it in so you can stay put and check out our home town Chiefs hero Cory in action! You just send me some BBQ I hear all about on here!

by CanuckCHIEF'SFan on Aug 10, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Umm

Why would we keep Justin Cole and cut Demorrio Williams? Just because we need to cut someone for the sake of surprise?

by NotAGoodName on Aug 10, 2011 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing.

Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.

by Fozzyboyd on Aug 10, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Williams is a solid special teams contributor, and does give us a decent option in the event of an injury. Although, i really hope Siler beats out Belcher for the starting job b/c i think that kid could potentially be a difference maker. I think that will be the best fa signing of the year when it’s all said and done.

by tasty little guinea pigs on Aug 10, 2011 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

guinea pigs ... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, tasty!!!

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

my lineup looks like Joel's

except swap justin cole for micah johnson

DW is terrible. no strength to his game. get him off this team

At least greenwood can cover

by SillyHatDay on Aug 10, 2011 5:21 PM CDT reply actions  

first time to arrowhead

sorry to change the subject but im from sc and i just got tickets and i was wondering if they were good section 136 row 18 seats 12 and 13 thanks

South Carolina chief fan here. Eat my arrowhead covered shorts rest of the west ,dallas and pats.

by kcbeatdown101 on Aug 10, 2011 5:25 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah, that's between the 40 and 50 yard lines ...

here’s a stadium seating chart to look at

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

420 is my favorite spot.

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Doctors will find out that Tebows blue balls were effecting his ability to throw a accurate pass.

by CPT.Caveman on Aug 10, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha!

we’re talking UPPER deck, dude …

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder just how many people went to the Stadium seating chart above to locate 420.

Lets see a show of hands.

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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 10, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I promise we won't make you...........pffttttt.

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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 10, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Make fun of you that is.

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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 10, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sky high?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn straight

always!

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its the only way to fly

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 10, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me tell you

My first time to Arrowhead a few years back changed my life. Best experience as a Chiefs fan ever!!

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Aug 10, 2011 5:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ill second that..

Let me tell ya…to me not a bad seat in arrowhead! About the only section for some reason in the last twelve years is the gold section, dont know why but imagine those seats even kick ass. Enjoy your game as there isnt nothing else like it. Imo

by SinyGuy on Aug 10, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

meant..

I have never sat in the gold section. Wife called, confused me while posting comment. Typically I would be pist…except she is a die hard chiefs fan like me. Perfect!

by SinyGuy on Aug 10, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats right where i sit every time i go. Its great man

by deli258291 on Aug 10, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

This might be my favorite position battle to watch this year

A lot of young guys fighting for backup spots. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Demorrio cut, but until we see some of the young guys in action, it’s hard to say who will take his spot.

I thought Cole showed some flashes last year, Micah Johnson was a fairly highly touted guy going into the draft I think, Greenwood has good athleticism and potential, Amara Kamara has a cool name…

Out of all of them, I’m most interested in seeing Miller Friday. I just don’t know enough about him to guess at what kind of role he could play. Sounds like he’s been doing well in coverage drills in camp.

by bh13 on Aug 10, 2011 5:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I cant wait to see Houston in action...

I really liked this guy in college. I was hoping we would get him.

I dont look too much into his problems off the field. As long as he is able to play.

He is going to make people forget anything bad about him when he is pulling pieces of the opposing QB off him.

Very excited and hope he gets lots of reps in preseason to show his stuff.

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Aug 10, 2011 5:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I cant wait to see Houston in action...

I really liked this guy in college. I was hoping we would get him.

I dont look too much into his problems off the field. As long as he is able to play.

He is going to make people forget anything bad about him when he is pulling pieces of the opposing QB off him.

Very excited and hope he gets lots of reps in preseason to show his stuff.

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Aug 10, 2011 5:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I second this man(well triple since he second'd himself)

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ha

Sorry about that.

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Aug 10, 2011 5:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

No one really said how Houston looked when he was running with the 1's at camp

Has to be taken as a good sign that he was with the 1’s though

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is too tough to be labeled as lazy.

Anyone would get gassed in their first practice after a long time off.

I hate that he has problems before he ever takes a step on the field in the NFL.

But I have no doubts about his ability to produce. He has all the tools to be a very successful OLB for the Chiefs. It’s just a matter of time.

With our coaching staff these guys have no excuse not to perform at the highest level. I’m so excited to watch Baldwin, Houston, Powe, and Miller. It’s going to be great!

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Aug 10, 2011 5:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

As long as people are not saying 'he held out to clean his system' everything should be a positive from Houston

I’d love to have another dynamic pass rushing threat opposite of Hali

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

If this doesn't get you excited....check your pulse!

2010
*Started all 13 games recording 67 tackles including a team-leading 18.5 for loss and 10.0 sacks to go along with 44 quarterback pressures, two pass break ups, an INT, a forced fumble and two fumble recoveries.

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Aug 10, 2011 5:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

While playing in a 3-4 system(for the first year no less) that is close to what the Chiefs run

However he did play as more of a WOLB than SOLB.. but still!

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

is it too late to get SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON?

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

No we need a steak knife opposite of Hali not a stupid SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sheffield Steel ... great cutlery

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

TBD

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

dunno, BAMF ... this one looks nice, and it's Sheffield Steel

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh looks kinda cheap actually

Maybe it’s just the country boy part of me but it looks like a dollar store knife

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

not cheap ...

esp when you get into the 7" or longer blade length

the prices are in English Pounds … what’s the conversion rate these days?

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cheap quality not price

The sheath looks like it wouldn’t hold up to a ton of use, the decoration on the knife doesn’t make it seem like its an every day knife(OFC I’d never carry around a knife with a 7+ inch blade in MO)

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

The hilt's too square.

That’s for admiring, not for using.

"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.

by Brsrkr on Aug 10, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

check the site for the other ones they have pictured

I hear ya, that one shown above is a “look at it” knife … but they do make some nice stuff

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like decorative knives, too.

A near-future (hopefully) project of mine is to make a display closet out of an unfinished corner of my new house. I’m waffling on whether to line it with steel or polycarbonate.

"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.

by Brsrkr on Aug 10, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then why would you but it?

Who buys a knife just to look at it funny?

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 10, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

*buy

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 10, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's called art. Heathen.

"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.

by Brsrkr on Aug 10, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Knife art?

Wtf

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 10, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like sculpture, but more useful.

The engineer in me likes useful things that are also elegant.

"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.

by Brsrkr on Aug 10, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can admire the elegance of a Snap-On ratchet,

but it’s the ease of use that makes it a real work of art.

If a knife looks like art, but is poorly balanced, won’t hold an edge, and doesn’t feel “right” in my hand, then beautiful engravings or gold plate leave me totally flat.

Then again, I can’t imagine myself making a knife display. It’s all about having them in the kitchen and in my outdoor gear.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh, honestly I just need a place to keep them all.

I already tend to forget what I have. I’ve collected a bunch without really trying. So, I figure if I have to organize them, why not in a display case? Should encourage me to keep them clean as well as organized.

And I’m a tool junkie, too. I get just as much pleasure out of finding a cheapo Harbor Freight thing that works surprisingly well as I do a high-end Kobalt or Snap-on tool. More, really.

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by Brsrkr on Aug 11, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mhmm it's like silly graphics kids put on cars

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

take pounds x 1.6161

funny, I just had to do this today at work… not convert knife prices… you know, pounds to dollars.

by Ochophosphate on Aug 10, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I travel a bit,

I like Oanda when I’m on a computer, and this when I’m on mobile. Oanda’s nice because you can choose a past date for doing expense reports.

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by Brsrkr on Aug 10, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damascas or whatever?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

was just gonna say that

Damascus Steel

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I carry around.. if the picture works

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

young man, you put that away RIGHT NOW!

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice

I stopped carrying one when I learned to kill a man with my bare hands…………..

by grid_iron on Aug 10, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Almost always a 30-06 in my truck and a knife on me

Gotta love being in the country

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mines actually sitting on a sub behind the seat

Had some bad experiences with a gun rack on the back window(single cab truck)

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

You stop that!

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love how folding knives nowadays have

spring assist opening, and still thin enough to put in your pocket. Don’t quite know how they got them to be legal, though.

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by Brsrkr on Aug 10, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

My version doesn't

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got attached to Spidercos in my Army days.

Just didn’t like how the points were so fragile. Nowadays, I mostly carry around a Gerber of some kind. Smaller pockets. The spring assist makes up for not having that huge Spiderco thumb loop.

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by Brsrkr on Aug 10, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can flick my wrist and the blade is open, just not a button

spring opening. It works for me, the blade is thick enough I can use it on fence/cutting wire/breaking ice with it while it still keeps a pretty nice edge

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

My utility knife is

and old M9 Bayonet I got in a pawn shop. It was rusty and the point was broken off. I shined the subdued finish off and gave it a rounded point. Strong as hell, and distinctive since you don’t see too many shiny M9 bayonets.

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by Brsrkr on Aug 10, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn,

knife talk’s made me late for training camp. Talk to you guys later.

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by Brsrkr on Aug 10, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

So the tanto point's pretty good?

I never used a tanto, but they seem to be getting more popular all the time.

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by Brsrkr on Aug 10, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's the first knife I've own/used with the tanto

I wouldn’t say its a selling point for me, but it has came in quite handy

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 11, 2011 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

However a lot of his highlight reel sacks came against RT's

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by PVChiefsfan on Aug 10, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. And that's the threat, right now, to Demorrio.

He was the best pass rusher to stick on the right side when Hali switched to the left. It said something for Williams that he has that in his repertoire, but I think it also said something about lack of competition for that 2nd edge rush role in the nickel.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't that preseason only? I don't remember seeing much of DW in the regular season

Vrabel/STude were out opposite of Hali in the nickel as far as I can remember(then again this is my first cup of coffee so I could be wrong)

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 11, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

no ... THIS is something to get excited about

155 tackles, 18.5 tackles for loss, 3 interceptions (2 of which he returned for touchdowns), and also broke up 7 passes … then bowl game with 17 tackles and the game’s MVP award

all as a JUNIOR

SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

We no need another WILB silly

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who are you talking about?

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Aug 10, 2011 6:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

not Houston

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Him

http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/weatherspoon_sean00.html

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Screw that guy.

He is no Chief!

Justin Houston has a better career…mark it down.

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Aug 10, 2011 6:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Spoon hasn't had a great start(injury last year) plus hes a WILB for us

Still.. Man crushes will be man crushes

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Swoon for Spoon

woulda been a great bumper sticker …

Derek Sherrod, I’m tellin’ ya we shoulda got him!

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sherrod was my vote after we traded back

Still give ya props for bringing him up

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone would get gassed in their first practice after a long time off.

Agreed. I think some people made too big a deal of that because of the failed drug test combined with him being the last pick signed. Never mind that he still finished practice and that Haley camp vets like Hali and Richardson, along with another new addition in McClain, were also struggling with the heat.

I’m so excited to watch Baldwin, Houston, Powe, and Miller.

No love for Hudson, Bailey, Brown, Stanzi and Bannon? ;)

by bh13 on Aug 10, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Stanzi hype will get out of control(just like the Mims stuff recently)

Not sure how much of Brown/Bannon we will see

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Stanzi

I think we’ll see both a decent bit, especially Brown. I think he’ll get some looks at CB and safety.

by bh13 on Aug 10, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

With McClain and Cox I'm not sure how much time will be there for Bannon

Unless we try some looks with McClain as RB with a FB infront

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

I was just working off the assumption the starters won’t play much past the first quarter, if even that long. That would leave plenty of time for Bannon.

by bh13 on Aug 10, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stanzi will throw at least one int on Friday.

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by Brsrkr on Aug 10, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

and people will cry

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love for them all...

We just have 2 of the best corners already…a pro bowl QB. I like Gales so I don’t wanna see Bailey take his spot. Bannon is as good as gone.

Hudson yes…he will be a great addition for our line.

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Aug 10, 2011 6:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

he's a rookie

likely won’t start for awhile … don’t expect his stats to be off the wall

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Understandable on Bailey

I admire your continued support for Gales, even if I haven’t noticed him much yet. Here’s hoping this is the year he proves you right.

I think Darryl Harris is my Gales. Really pulling for him to make it this year.

by bh13 on Aug 10, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

BAMF, at this point, a week into camp, I wouldn't read too much of anything into anything

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

At this point I'll read all the football news I can ;)

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm looking forward to seeing Houston as well

I think he’ll be a nice piece of the D this year, even if it’s only in passing situations for a while.

by bh13 on Aug 10, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Sheffield will give Studebaker a run for his money this year, and may even take the spot.

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Doctors will find out that Tebows blue balls were effecting his ability to throw a accurate pass.

by CPT.Caveman on Aug 10, 2011 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Why do you think that?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haley said Sheffield was coming on and playing some good football before he was injured.

He’s in great shape, and knows the system. I scouted him for my mock draft last year and i can’t say much more other than i just get a feeling about him. I had that same feeling when we pick T.Moeaki and several other player in the past like T.G.

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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 10, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I scouted him as well

Maybe it’s just I’m one of the few people waiting to see how Sheff does in live action before really getting too hyped up for him after that neck injury. He can get after the passer, is good against the run those are both needed from the SOLB spot but coverage again is a ? along with how he will play after that injury.

Hell the guy really had a full season off where he couldn’t really work out or practice or anything(just got cleared by Drs near the end of the regular season last year), I just can’t put too much stock in him at this point in time(Along with taking his play last year with a grain of salt due to the fact he was 2nd/3rd string playing against 2nd/3rd stringers)

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just having a SOLB who plays with more leverage.

Folks talk about Vrabel being slow, and maybe that’s why he couldn’t seem to turn the corner, when the situation called for it. To my eye, quickness would’ve helped, but lower pad level and sheer PUSH were what jumped out at me as a missing ingredient in all our OLBs other than Hali..

I think, for the most part, Vrabel was underestimated in how good he was at keeping his options open and taking away options from the offense. An unglamorous job on a D that NEEDED players like Vrabel, who thoroughly understood the situation on the field, so that younger guys could function at a high level in simpler roles (all imo). There were a lot of plays where he didn’t MAKE the play, but 3 or 4 bad things that MIGHT have happened, didn’t, because he was where he was. You could SEE the instant of decision for the QB, where he decided not to throw the screen to Vrabel’s side, because Vrabel sniffed out the threat and was waiting for it. Or maybe the QB DID throw the screen and Vrabel either finished the play, or set somebody else up to finish. You need guys on a young team who just know what their teammates are going to do, and so they cover the OTHER possibility.

This D’s going to be more sophisticated in the secondary than they were last season. This is a year for the D-Line and seondary to “give back” to the LB group, especially those young OLBs that Haley was talking about from the podium the other day. And these young guys are going to run over TEs, when maybe Vrabel or Studie were OK with stringin’ ‘em out on run plays, and dropping into zone on pass plays. There’s another thing these young guys can do better (or at least one of ‘em should), and that’s making it a CHORE to get cleanly into their routes. Forget about that stride-for-stride bullshit. I’m looking for a guy who has the ability to define the terms of engagement as a PHYSICAL contest inside the 5 yards, and win it, controlling where and how the TE will get his release, with an ILB or DB behind, who KNOW where and how he intends to direct the TE.

Anyhoo, I’m excited to see more friggin’ PUSH when it’s time for push. More direct angles to the QB by power or speed or a more potent combo of the two than we had in either Vrabel or Studebaker. It’ll be interesting to see if Houston, in particular, earns a 3-down piece of the pie, or whether somebody like Sheffield or Miller grabs the bull by the horns and relegates Houston to a poor man’s Tamba Hali and a perpetual 2nd-stringer (which is entirely possible, once we get over the hype).

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

The thing that has really started to get me thinking is about how RC has really used his defense

If we could get Hali and Houston(who does need to catch up and get his act together) out there at the same time, RC would have to come up with a shiny new defense. I can not recall when Pats fans were describing his defense that he ever really had 2 basically pure pass rush OLBs out there

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 11, 2011 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure

Sheffield may be good but Studebaker is coming off a year playing behind one of the games best OLB.

Studebaker always seems to be around the action and looks good out there. Don’t know if a guy coming off a missed season will unseat him.

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on Aug 10, 2011 5:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Studebaker looks very good so far

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by PVChiefsfan on Aug 10, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has the inside track, for sure.

I can bitch about him ‘til the cows come home. It’s still his position, ‘til somebody shows they’re consistently better.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Makes me wish we had the full offseason training.

Williams may be kept for that reason…short camp. Any talk about P. Walters? Figured he may suprise us.

by 12t on Aug 10, 2011 5:47 PM CDT reply actions  

He is a goner IMO

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

He might have had a chance if they didn’t draft Houston and Miller, but with them in the mix, I don’t think he makes it, unless Sheffield’s comeback falls short.

by bh13 on Aug 10, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our linebackers are going to be great. Houston is going to get a a large amount of playing time as the year goes on.

by deli258291 on Aug 10, 2011 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Right away, he makes that 2-4-5 more formidable.

He could make them even better as a 3-down ‘backer, if he didn’t look lost in coverage.

Already hearing things that suggest he’ll be Hali’s backup on the right side, and replace Hali on the right side in the nickel, with Hali shifting to the left side. It was a suspicion of mine, early on, that I’m LEAPING to conclude is the case, on the basis of Richardson having an easier go against Houston in 2 snaps in 1 practice report.

I never thought Jared Allen was better than Hali on the weak side, but Hali was better than Allen on the strong side. Same thing might happen with Hali and Houston, although Houston might actually be a step quicker/better in pursuit from the weak side than Hali OR Allen..

If this happens, it’ll suck for fantasy geeks, but I’ll be OK with it, because Hali got PAID (plus he’ll have more meat to his right than he had in his stint at LDE).

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

10 roster spots is a lot to use on 4 positions

I know that 3-4 teams usually carry 9 or 10 LBs, but the Chiefs can’t overload at every position. Some folks were saying we may carry 7 D linemen, if we carry 10 LBs that’s 17 roster spots to fill the front 7. That only leaves us 37 roster spots to fill the other 17 starting postions and backups. Something’s gotta give.I expect they’ll try to hide Micah on the PS again this year and may even try to ship Miller there if they think he’s safe. My prediciton:

ROLB: Hali, Walters
RILB: DJ, Greenwood
LILB: Belcher, Siler
LOLB: Studebaker, Sheffield, Houston

by Chiefs4Life on Aug 10, 2011 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

3-4 teams tend to spend alot of roster spots on LBs

They make great special teamers especially now with the wedge rule changing last season. I think we’ll see 6 Dlineman and 10 LBs.

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by GenericBrand on Aug 10, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we only keep 6 DLs

than 10 LBs doesn’t seem like too much. A lot depends on whether management would rather keep DW or Toribio (or Gales).

by Chiefs4Life on Aug 10, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

6DL seems very thin

Dorsey, Gilberry, Jackson, Bailey, Gregg, Powe?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is thin

But 17 players for the front 7 seems too… thick. We can only keep 53 total.

by Chiefs4Life on Aug 10, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hali, DJ, Belcher, STude, Houston, Siler, DW, Sheff

That brings it up to 14. Micah or Miller would be 15, would still like to see a DE/NT type for depth at both positions maybe Toribio and Gregg can swap to DE if the need is that bad

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still think they'll keep Greenwood

So that gives us at least 9 LBs. And I think it’d be a gamble to put Miller on the PS if they like him enough to keep him, which pushes us to 10. Plus, of the names you listed, which one backs up Hali? Do you see Sheff playing the weak side?

by Chiefs4Life on Aug 10, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

we'll keep whoever Haley anioli say we keep ...

… and we will accept it and be happy with it … OR ELSE!

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

As of right now(not seeing camp/no preseason) Sheff could be #2 at SOLB

Houston #2 WOLB until he gets caught up

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 11, 2011 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather keep DW as DJ's backup if possible

The best option we have

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can respect that

but I think we’ve seen DW’s ceiling and Greenwood has to either make the team or get cut (he doesn’t qualify for the PS). I’d role the dice on the young guy.

by Chiefs4Life on Aug 10, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

DW's ceiling would be very important to us if DJ goes down

Greenwood is very much an unknown other than at ST(kinda like STude)

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very sensible, Chiefs4Life.

Agree with both of you that if Miller stays healthy, Walters is kaput.

Furthermore, you’re putting your finger on a problem KC isn’t done solving. The nickel subpackage is almost like a 2nd defense. Here you are, wanting to be 2-deep at NT (at least), even though the base D might be running 50% or even LESS of the total snaps. Gilberry and Bailey might be the key to making it fall into place. At least one of them must be able to play DE in the base 3-4 defense, and then things get easier for the organization (albeit tougher for guys like Dion Gales).

I wonder who’s going to leave and then return, later. It seems possible that if Powe has a strong rookie campaign, Toribio could be shown the door. I can’t remember Toribio’s contract length, but I think they could afford to eat it, if Powe is more ceiling than floor and sooner, rather than later, and with Toribio gone, one of the slew of WRs/LBs in camp, now, might reappear in November or December.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you've got your finger on it.

From seeing Bailey in practice, I think he’d be MUCH better this year as a “GO GET ’EM!” nickel type than trying learn NFL 2-gapping on the go. He can learn to 2-gap on the way to the QB, as it were, when the offense runs on a passing down.

Gilberry is starting to look like he can do anything he wants. I really think we lose him next year, because I think he can already be an impact player ANYwhere on a 4-3 line with his pass rushing skill set and his 3-4 experience.

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by Brsrkr on Aug 11, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree, Chiefs4Life, which is where all the nonsense about coverage skills slaps me in the face.

I can see them wanting to get bigger, but they have to find as many 3-down players as possible, or suffer a shortfall somewhere. Traits I keep saying are only of minor importance could be the deciding factor in who stays and who leaves.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't be surprised if when the dust settles that Cameron Sheffield is the starting SOLB and Houston makes Gilberry tradeable.

Sheffield has the best tools for the job. If he can stay healthy and keep developing, he’s got a good chance to be the starter there.

Studebaker is a known quantity and unfortunately for him that known quantity is not 3-down starting LB. Although he’s good in sub packages he’s not physical enough to be consistent on early downs on the strong side.

Houston is a one trick pony and lucky for us is that the one trick is dynamic pass rusher. We already have one of those though that has virtually the same skillset in Wallace Gilberry. I know Wallace beefed up to be more of a versatile 3-4 DE but it’s not going to happen(and he’s my favorite D player so not just hating. He’s a great situational pass rusher and will be worth a decently high draft pick when Pioli trades him to a 4-3 team next offseason.

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by GenericBrand on Aug 10, 2011 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

*Disclaimer

Dust settling doesn’t mean week one but moreso heading into the offseason.

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by GenericBrand on Aug 10, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't Bailey be the guy to make Gilberry tradeable?

I mean a LB making a Dlinemen tradeable is kind of out there…

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see where he's coming from.

Gilberry’s role is pass rush. Seems like they’re trying to make Bailey into a 2-gapper. So, Houston’s role would be closer to Gilberry’s.

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by Brsrkr on Aug 10, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bailey at this point is still closer.. a subpackage Dlinemen

I can get the pass rusher part, but completely different play…

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 10, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gilberry and Bailey are both subpackage D-Linemen, vying for snaps @ 5-tech.

I think Bailey’s already a natural 2-gapper, which I don’t think Gilberry was, but both appear to be trying-out for 3-4 DE snaps. Dion Gales is coming at it from the 3-4 DE or kaput angle, at this stage, imo. I see him as a Derek Lokey, whose heart they love, but bulking-up being his lone outside chance of making the 53-man cut against better competition.

I don’t see Houston having much effect on keeping or not keeping Gilberry, unless for some reason Gilberry can/can’t function with what Houston will be giving him from OLB in the 2-4-5. I don’t see Houston as one of their pair of down linemen in the nickel, and that was the thin edge of wedge for Gilberry. Expanding the bridgehead, so to speak, is going to be where Bailey and Gilberry are head-to-head.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The best part about Bailey possibly being in the nickel to start is the fact he can get playing time while Dorsey could actually take a breather

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 11, 2011 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

whoa there, GB ...

what does Shef have to do with Gil? totally diff position group …

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unless, of course, they're thinking about going with one or none in down linemen.

What’d they call that defense? Wacko? Nutso? Dang! These senior moments are proliferating.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you're gonna look at it that way

Then Studie become the expendable one, not Gilberry

by RamX21 on Aug 10, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

blasphemy!

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing Studie does start ... Sheff could very well take it from him (in time)

he (Sheff) looked good last year before the injury, but it’s Studie’s job to lose at this point (most likely the way Haley and Crennel see it, just a hunch on that)

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty much what I said, above, Wolf.

I think Miller’s getting just as much of a shot. He drives people backwards. Treats them like they’re blocking sleds in highlights I saw (and dimly remember). Bailey has that, too, imo. It’s a bull-rush/power component that KC’s front 7 seemed to lack last year. I think it’s why Bailey’s here and Gilberry got bigger since 2010, and why Shaun Smith was expendable (and why, possibly, Dorsey’s on notice for what happens on pass plays when he’s in 5-tech).

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

i'm learning something

this is great intelligent dialogue not that incessant diatribe of one liners with no football relativity

by LO Thighs on Aug 10, 2011 6:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Side note

LO, coming in that way is going to rub people the wrong way and start more of the “diatribe” you so hate. If you like the dialogue thus far, try getting involved by adding something constructive.

by Chiefs4Life on Aug 10, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

How was that comment relevant to football?

Down with the hypocrite!!!!

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 10, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

finally

you’re learning something

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You were good, although you may as well have shot a freakin' flare in the sky for the oncoming Mims puns

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by severn58 on Aug 10, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since you mentioned it and I have one good one I didn't get to use...

L.A. is building 2 new stadiums just so it can hold its new NFL team…..David Mims.

Just because you disagree with someone or something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Aug 10, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another thing to keep in mind with LB's

and WR’s with the new kickoff rules coverage may not be as big of an issue so that will definitely change the thinking of depth at these positions

by RamX21 on Aug 10, 2011 7:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Look for this to be an edge Haley will think he can create by redoubling attention to coverage units.

ST is an area where the 5 yards will make teams SLOPPY with their special teams, or unmindful of depth at those positions, thinking they can make it moot with their kicker.

A contrary thinker, looking to get an edge, might PLAN to run the ball back more often from inside the EZ, any time the coverage team looks questionable or complacent. Put a big run-back from 8 yards deep in the EZ.

And from the kick COVERAGE side, you can just as easily look at the 5 yards as that much more hang-time you can put on your kicks, and aim to drop the kick just this side of the EZ, and the 5 yards putting your COVERAGE guys all that much quicker to the ball on those longer-hanging kicks. A guy approaching it from that angle might squeeze a few big plays out of ST, and I wouldn’t put it past Haley to do all he can to MAKE that coverage unit that much better.

And the new 5-yard rule doesn’t have any impact on the punting game, so the outside-the-box thinker might NOT change his thinking of how to build ST.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

i was complimenting the posters

the lb core seems void of that 120 tackle a year monster that guy you can really count on to stop the run but it that may be uninformed i’m trying to listen and learn

by LO Thighs on Aug 10, 2011 7:05 PM CDT reply actions  

See, DJ had 120 last year, it's his INT's you can't count on

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by severn58 on Aug 10, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

nah, it's the DROPS you can't count on

the INT’s are all good

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

well yeah, then there's that

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm, I thought it was the drops you CAN count on

Either way, love the guy, but that MF’er has feet hands

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by severn58 on Aug 10, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

still rather have him in that spot than anyone else we have now ... dude is fast enough to get to almost anything

and he’s so good at reading those short passes and anticipating … he may drop a lot, but at least he’s there to bust ’em up

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree. He is really good at getting to the ball.

If he ever learns to catch, he’ll be a regular in Hawaii.

by grid_iron on Aug 10, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

LBs are supposed to drop passes not intended for them.

Isn’t that the most common after-play activity? Linebacker theatrics after JUST missing the pick?

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by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 3:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree, that's why his ass is a LB and not a TE

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by severn58 on Aug 10, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

severn58 nailed it, LO Thighs.

I would add this to his point on DJ getting his 120 tackles:

Last year, SOLB (Vrabel) was mostly damage control (imo), and other than DJ, a cast of thousands was fighting tooth and nail for a limited number of snaps.

If you have really good starting LBs in a 4-3, I think you’re going to see those 120 tackle seasons more often than what we saw last year from the Chiefs.

What will be interesting to see this year is whether Houston (or other) will seize that SOLB spot on a 3-down basis, or whether Houston can do a Hali 2010 imitation and HALI become the 3-down SOLB. I think Hali has enough field sense to play that SOLB the way I want to see it played, and I think the secondary is experienced enough to play off what Hali can give them.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 3:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not Bad

i just don’t remember dj stuffing the run good tackle guy he’s all over the field just not in filling holes

by LO Thighs on Aug 10, 2011 7:20 PM CDT reply actions  

stuffing the run isn't DJ's job ... that's why you DON'T see him doing that

it IS his job to be “all over the field” and defend the short pass routes … and that he does better than any other LB we have

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

very little meaning none

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

turning over a new leaf?

you nailed it, dude … Hali is a beast and wouldn’t want him any other way, but he DOES have his shortcomings

  1. was the same … dude was NOT good against the run, but there wasn’t a DLine he couldn’t get past

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

no clue where the 1 came from ... it was supposed to read ... #58

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

Would you say something stupid? This ain’t no fun agreeing with you :-)

by grid_iron on Aug 10, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brodie Croyle

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by upamtn on Aug 10, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

no correction needed...

We all knew…he was the one.

by 12t on Aug 10, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've watched Hali his whole career, same as you.

Against the run from the weak side, I factor in what Hali’s being TOLD to bring, every down. He’s making it hard for the QB to set up and throw, and he’s forcing the ball carrier to take certain angles to avoid that ever-present threat.

Hali is ALMOST big enough to hold the point at 4-3 LDE (with questionable interior line). As LOLB, he has enough LDE in him to more than hold his own, with over 900 pounds of d-lineman to his right PLUS a 260-pound WOLB peeking at him from the other side of the line, this being the Hali-Jackson-Gregg-Dorsey-Houston look. This would be a much bigger, more physical, and more athletic front 5 than Hali has ever played in, and the shortest path to that is teaching Houston a rudimentary rush OLB role on the weak side.

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by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

#58=#1?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 11, 2011 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

power

how about bannon blocking for mclain w/2 te’s

by ChristaBelle Blyzzy Elizabeth Romine on Aug 11, 2011 1:00 AM CDT reply actions  

They do have more ways of "going big" in 2011.

I kind of like the 2 big backs in a regular pro set. Potential for a balanced attack out of a pretty jumbo-looking package. I prefer to see that 2nd WR split wide, rather than the 2 TEs, if I’m going big in the backfield.

What I’ve read of training camp reports suggests that Bannon is something of a project.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 3:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Answer me this?

Could Studebaker move over to play ILB next to DJ? That would open it up to Sheffield and Houston (hopefully Houston) for the OLB spot.

Talk amongst yourselves on this topic. I want to hear the whys and why nots on this question.

by JASiege on Aug 11, 2011 1:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I think it's possible that this could become Stude's primary role on regular D, depending on how OLB shakes out.

I’m really rooting for Studebaker, but I think they’ll have a better defense if he is in the fight of his life for playing time at SOLB. It’d mean that the new guys are BETTER, and give the Chiefs something we didn’t see enough of, last year.

\I like the base front 5 so much, with Houston AND Hali holding down the OLB spots, I’d also like to see them run some nickel behind that Hali-Jackson-Gregg-Dorsey-Houston front, at the expense of SILB, which, if it worked well, might make the pickings VERY slim for all those LBs currently on the roster.

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by hmills110 on Aug 11, 2011 3:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me and mills have talked about STude inside with Hali/Houston outside

Sounds like a great pressure defense to me

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 11, 2011 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's the way I feel.

Stude inside with DJ gives you two good cover LBs with Houston (or Sheffield) and Hali on the outside, would be pretty interesting.

by JASiege on Aug 11, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

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