Tyler Thigpen Doesn't Sound Like A Fan Of Chiefs 2008 Defense
by Joel Thorman on Aug 1, 2011 11:46 AM CDT
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PrintFormer Kansas City Chiefs QB Tyler Thigpen reunited with Chan Gailey in Buffalo inking a deal with the Bills this week. I think it's a good move for Thigpen because he's familiar with Gailey's offense and has had some success in it.
Back in 2008, Gailey was the Chiefs offensive coordinator and Thigpen started 11 games for the Chiefs under Gailey. Thigpen noted his time with the Chiefs in an interview with the Buffalo News and doesn't sound like a big fan of the 2008 Chiefs defense.
"For the most part, when you put up so many points on offense and the defense can't stop the opposing team, what good is that going to do at the end of the day? We go back and forth and that one time they stop you on offense, but our defense can't stop them that one time, they're going to outscore you."
I'd be upset if he weren't speaking the truth. Thigpen wasn't an all-world quarterback but he was the best option back then if you cared about putting points on the board. Unfortunately, the Chiefs 29th ranked defense couldn't keep them off the board.
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Can't fault him at all for it
He’s speaking the truth. Our D was painful to watch that year.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
by TRSChief on Aug 1, 2011 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
But it's the pot calling the kettle black.
He acts like the Offense was good and the D couldn’t hold onto a lead. It’s not like the Offense was anything worth a crap either at that time.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 1, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The offense was less than average
And the defense was deplorable.
True it’s a D+ pointing fingers at an F.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
The offense was at least capable of putting up solid performances in 08, even if they were hella inconsitent from week to week.
They put up 31 against Buffalo and (a playoff bound) Miami, but the defense surrendered 54 and 38 respectively in those two games, for example. I don’t think it’s unfair to say that the defense lost us more games that year than Thigpen.
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I'm certainly not saying anything like that
Maybe you’re replying to arrowheadshane?
The offense wasn’t spectacular. But at times it was capable. The defense was consistently awful.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
How many of those were garbage time scores though?
The TEAM was bad, Thiggy made it fun to still watch, but you knew they weren’t going out and winning many (if any) games…
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
I don't have the stats, but I'd say not as many as you might think.
I can remember a lot of games where the offense gave the team a lead and then lost it when the defense couldn’t force a punt (Tampa Bay, San Diego x 2, Miami, Buffalo, etc.).
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How many of those losses were from poor play calling?
I’m sure part of it was he didn’t trust the defense, but jeez.
Go Chiefs!!!!
It's not like you didn't know this was coming.
Bam.
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by MtHammer on Aug 1, 2011 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
first thing I thought of when I saw the post title
well done!
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Sometimes even when telling the truth it is best to keep your mouth shut.
I wonder if the 2011 defense especially the ones still here from 2008 will have some things to say when we play the Bills.
They shouldn't have anything to say other than...
“Sorry, we sucked.”
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 1, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly
As a man and a player, you should be able to admit when you sucked.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
They might.
Nonetheless. Flowers, Carr, and Dorsey were rookies. Page and Pollard and Turk and Tank are gone. D.J., Tamba, and Demorrio all kind of sucked out loud that year. And, honestly, I’m kind of having trouble remembering who all else we even played on D back then.
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How could you forget Rocky Boiman!?
The poster formerly known as "ktr17x"
"What the world needs is more geniuses with humility, there are so few of us left."
"In democratic America, Flowers and Berry pick YOU"
Oh, Rocky!
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FRANK FURTER!
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
We had about a million
different people play LB that season. More than once we started a guy that hadn’t been on the roster for the previous game.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 1, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure Ron Edwards was a part of that crew too. Maybe a Benny Sapp in there too?
by Chatch McNasty on Aug 1, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Babin. Babin was on that team, wasn't he?
Where were his pro bowl sack numbers back then? Hey Babin! Thigpen’s callin’ you out, man!
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Babin wasn't on that team for more than 4 games?
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 1, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you asking me or telling me?
That sounds right-ish. Either way, he was certainly no Turk McBride.
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Jason Babin at the end of the season.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Loving what Chan is doing in Buffalo
Bagged two 1st round talent defenders in the draft, reuniting with Bones while adding Brad Smith into the mix, and landing Barnett to run their D. Not too shabby, not too shabby indeed
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 1, 2011 11:57 AM CDT reply actions
Agreed
I like the Haley hiring, but it would have also been interesting to turn the team over to Chan. He’s doing a hell of a job in Buffalo with a hell of a lot less talent than Haley inherited.
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by craig in calgary on Aug 1, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Not convinced Chan was the guy for the job in KC
After the Edwards era, this team needed a culture shock. Haley was just the hard-headed, disciplinarian necessary for the job. Basically, Chan wasn’t asshole enough for the job.
#91 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 1, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
why does a team HAVE to go get some asshole as HC to be successful?
you’ve said (below) a team doesn’t … he really IS doing one helluva job in Buffalo … and could have done as good (or better) here given the chance
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What KCS is saying isn't that all teams need an asshole HC, just that some do.
You know as well as anyone that ever team is different. And Herm’s detractors would point to him being too player friendly as one of his bigger flaws as a coach. Nobody criticizes Haley for being too soft.
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Agreed
This team in 2008 was soft. Chan was a party to that team, couldn’t see him getting this team to the point of discipline they showed last season. Haley is night and day from what he was comparing ’09 and ’10 in terms of “asshole-ness”. This team needed Haley to kick them out of their squishiness.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 1, 2011 12:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
it was Herm's team, not Chan's ... so don't say he was party to it
he worked for Herm just like everyone else
I can understand the hater for Herm (I don’t hate the guy, sheesh) but not for Chan … he had the offense moving the ball pretty well … with Bones, for crying out loud
and he was only there that one year, so don’t lay crap on him like that
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What he meant is, that it's hard to induce that culture shock if you were inside the locker room during the soft years.
It wasn’t Gailey’s fault that Edwards was soft, but because he was the coordinator under Herm, he would never have brought in the outside credibility that Haley was able to.
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Exactly. Thanks hammer
Chan and Edwards are two different people, but it was clear we needed to change all of the upper management and coaching to get out from underneath the culture that was created not just under Herm, but Vermeil as well. It was looking like we might keep Chan for his accomplishments on the field that ups just regurgitated, but there was still something missing in the transition, whether it was offensive philosophy or coaching styles, Chan had to go to get this team where it is now.
Again, I’m not downplaying what Chan did here or what he’s doing in Buffalo, he just wasn’t going to for with the culture that Haley wanted to build here.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 1, 2011 2:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They still have a long way to go on the defensive side of the ball
but I think they’re starting to put something together. I wouldn’t be surprised if they finished second in the AFC East, behind NE. I know, I know. BUT TEH JETZZZ Still, for some reason I get this feeling the Chan is turning Buffalo around.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi.
I know it's become cliched
in the media – but anybody that watched football last year will tell you Chan’s players fought and fought hard for him. They just never quit. Despite the deficit, despite the odds they kept hitting you in the mouth. They won a lot of people’s respect in the league last year mine included. Chan’s demonstrated on a number of teams in a number of cities he’s capable of turning chicken shit into chicken salad. Was a lackluster hire at the time but Nix got it wright by hiring Chan
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 1, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I would put Chan's first season in Buffalo on par with Haley's first season here in KC
Not a lot of wins, but were in a number of games down to the wire.
The only question is who left the better, more disciplined team? Hermie Edwards or Dick Jauron?
Talent wise, I would say Herm. Disciplined wise, knowing how bad Herm was, I’m inclined to say Dick.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Aug 1, 2011 12:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed, craig
I like Gailey, always have thought he was undervalued here
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...says the guy who can't take a snap under center.
Gailey had to scrap the entire offense and run a college-esque shotgun spread just too keep him from crapping his pants.
1st rule of QB club is, don’t throw your defense under the bus (and vice versa), even if you aren’t on the team anymore.
by CapsLockKey on Aug 1, 2011 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Coach
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 1, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Was that solely because of Thiggy
or did that have to do with the atrocious O-line they had? I saw it more of a way to keep the QB from getting mauled as soon as the ball was snapped…. They weren’t on QB3 for no reason, ya know…
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
That's the thing that always irritated me with Thigpen talk
People looked at his W-L record and were like “he sucks” but seemed to have selective amnesia when it came to how terrible our D was that year. I’m not going to rehash the whole Thigpen debate, but purely using the W-L record to determine the ability of a QB, isn’t particularly fair to anybody.
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by Scaryclouds on Aug 1, 2011 12:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
What do you mean?
We only went 4-12 the first year with Matt and his numbers were very comparable (in truth slightly worse) than Thigpen’s. I’m not going to get into a long argument between which QB is better, I’m merely advocating for a more fair metric by which to compare QB’s. A recent ESPN article which was featured here, seems to have done a pretty good job.
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He wasn't necessarily "the best option"
He was the ONLY option. Our #1 and #2 went down with injuries, not that either of those guys would have been an improvement. What were the Chiefs supposed to do? Start Quinn Gray? So glad the Herm Edwards era is in the rear view mirror.
Oh man! I forgot about Quinn Gray.
There was a time when we assumed that Thigpen would suck so bad that Gray would be pressed into starting duty.
See? No matter how bad you think our current QB situation is behind Cassel, it could be much worse.
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Quinn Gray vs Tyler Palko
class … discuss!
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I love how conveniently
Clancy Pendergast has escaped the conversation
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 1, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe because he wasn't here at the time?
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by Scaryclouds on Aug 1, 2011 12:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol
“Ohh”.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 1, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Minor detail.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Thigpen has no room to talk...
The whole team pretty much sucked that year, Thigpen included.
And he’s done exactly what since then?
The only thing I can say about the guy? You really can’t expect much from your 3rd string QB. And that’s what we got. Not much.
2010 was merely a glimpse of Chiefs to come...
Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int QBRat Sack YdsL Fum FumL
230 420 54.8 2608 186.3 6.2 18 12 76.0 26 162 6 2
271 493 55.0 2924 194.9 5.9 16 16 69.9 42 243 14 3
Top: Bones, 2008
Bot: Cassel, 2009
Bones had higher QB rating, 2 more TDs and 4 less INTs in 14 games (total) and took
far fewer sacks … going strictly by those stats, Bones is as good as Cassel (given that
both played with crappy OLines and overall crappy WRs) …
juist sayin’
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Thiggy had Tony G to throw to, too. Cassel didn't.
Thigpen was mobile, yes. And he made a pathetic season fun to watch. At times.
But, he still sucked.
Actually…I wasn’t too impressed with Cassel either, his first year.
Good point, though.
Tough guy there with his talk
Yeah,he put up a boatload of points & it was the Defenses fault.
Charlie Sheen called & wants the skeleton back.
I know QB starters & you’re no QB star4ter
by THE_TRUTH on Aug 1, 2011 1:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Star4ter, eh?
I’m intrigued… tell me more.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
It's a new term I coined....look it up
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by THE_TRUTH on Aug 1, 2011 4:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
While it's true
I don’t think he needs to point that out; now, then, or ever. For one, that’s throwing your team under the bus, and two, that’s making excuses as to why HE couldn’t win the game.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
But somehow
Brodie Croyle doesn’t get an out for bad defenses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNm2rFzdvW8&feature=related
by LHO on Aug 1, 2011 1:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The biggest difference between Croyle and Thigpen (besides durability, mobility, and the excitment factor):
Thigpen won a game. Two, in fact.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
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He does realize...
…the 20.5 ppg we averaged w/ him as QB was good for 24th in the league, right? “when you put up so many points on offense”…is he serious? “We go back and forth and that one time they stop you”…Really, they stopped us once? So we only had the ball 4 times a game and scored 3????
by TheFifthDimension29 on Aug 1, 2011 4:25 PM CDT reply actions
Second Half??
Go back to that season and you will see that Tyler Thigpen disappeared in the second half of every game! Thigpen was awful and I am glad he is in buffalo!
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