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The "What If" Game, starring the Chiefs, Michael Jordan, and the Thormans

Another week down, another bout with strep throat for me and the wife.  Seriously, I was sick once a year until I had kids.  Now it seems like I can't go a month without catching some kind of disease.  I think the only thing I HAVEN'T had is leprosy.  And I'm pretty sure the little anklebiters are working on that as we speak.  That's one of several things no one warns you about before you have kids.  I'd talk about the other things, but I don't want to spoil the fun for those of you who haven't learned firsthand the joys of parenting yet (I'm using the word "joys" very, very loosely here).

Anyways, we're still where we were at last week.  The collective bargaining agreement looks close.  There isn't a whole lot of news to talk about besides Mike Vrabel (reportedly) leaving for a coaching job.  I'm not ready for the "Are we there yet" story about our offense, and I don't feel like "arguing with idiots" this week.  So what to do?

It's time to play everyone's favorite game... The "What If" game!  We all love speculation, and it's interesting to look back on past events and see how they could have played out, for better or worse.  I'm going to cover some of my favorite "what if" scenarios.  I'd also like to hear some of your own.  If you're looking for something other than a little tiwatainment (time wasting entertainment, that is.  Yep, I'm keeping that schtick alive for another week), move along.  There's nothing here for you.  

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What if Bernard Pollard hadn't crashed into Tom Brady's knee?

That's right, I'm starting out hot and heavy.  Short term effect:  the Patriots go on to win the Super Bowl with a major chip on their shoulder from the previous year, flirting with but not achieving a perfect season.  Big Ben doesn't make that "leap" to superstardom since the Steelers don't win another Super Bowl, and Kurt Warner/Brady set a SB record by throwing 12 combined touchdowns in the most offensively dominated game of all time.

Medium term effect:  Matt Cassel never plays, and therefore never becomes a Kansas City Chief.  Whoa, the possibilities just opened up in a huge way!  As much as I hate Mark Sanchez, I can see us taking him 3rd now that we have a gaping hole at quarterback.  Would I rather have Josh Freeman?  Absolutely.  He's far superior to Sanchize in every sense.  But this is a realistic "What If", and no one expected Freeman to be as good as he's been. Of course, the Chiefs still have a 2nd round pick.  But really, where do they (realistically) go with it?  That draft sucked.  Take a look sometime.  It's like the NFL Draft's version of the 2008 Lions.  Seriously, there was practically no talent there after the first round except the VERY occasional gem.  Bottom line for the Chiefs... we're worse off.  It's doubtful we land a decent guy with that 2nd rounder (given Pioli's lack of prep time), Vrabel's never around to help our D get used to a 3-4, and Sanchize sucks twice as badly in KC without a Super Bowl caliber defense and O-line to protect him.

Long term effect:  The NFL doesn't overreact with twenty different "OMG!  We need to protect franchise QB's from getting hurt or the league's gonna go under!" panic rules.  In addition, player safety overall doesn't become quite as hot button an issue.  The league doesn't shift to a borderline flag football league where if you've got a good QB and 4 receivers no defense can stop you.  Is this better or worse?  Depends on your point of view.  It's fun to watch teams air it out, and I don't want to see totally vicious hits out there.  But still... it's hard to enjoy the game as much when defensive players are handcuffed rushing the passer or setting their sites on a receiver going across the middle.  Maybe that's just my opinion, though.

What if 2.7 never tweets about Todd Haley?

Short term effect in this case is that 2.7 continues to drag our offense down for the rest of the season.  While I think at SOME point Haley would start to give carries away elsewhere, it's by no means a given.  The man is stubborn and believes that his system can work if executed (this can be good and bad.  In this case, BAD).  We fail to win a game down the stretch (remember, JC was crucial in every victory besides our first that year) and The Great Restart becomes The Great Disaster.

In the long term, I'm not sure how much damage this would do to Jamaal Charles.  After all, he's only human, and spending another entire year watching as a less talented back gets all the carries could very well damage his attitude for life.  Maybe he decides, "Screw it, there's no point in trying for these guys" and doesn't make any kind of real impact for us.  Given his talent level, it's pretty safe to assume he'd go on to star somewhere else in that scenario after his rookie deal expired.  Then again, maybe he makes enough plays to steal some time.  It's tough to say, but I think it's a safe bet that 2.7's tweets might have been his greatest contribution to the Chiefs.

What if the 1984 NBA Draft panned out differently?

Yeah, I know, this isn't about football.  But I don't care, because this is a scenario you HAVE to know about if you're a sports fan.  After reading a quote from Hakeem Olajuwon's autobiogrpahy, my mind was blown.  According to Hakeem, the Portland Trail Blazers offered their number 2 pick and Clyde Drexler for Ralph Sampson before the draft that year.

Now, this sounds farfetched right now, but remember that at the time, Drexler was coming off a rookie season in which he only scored 7.7 PPG while shooting 45% from the field.  He didn't exactly light the world on fire.  And also, remember Portland wanted a center badly enough to pass on Michael freaking Jordan for a guy who had already missed 2 seasons of college ball due to injury and averaged 10 points and 9 rebounds per game.  Even further, Sampson was considered THE next big thing in the NBA at the time, averaging 21 points and 11 boards with over 2 blocks a game as a rookie.  So this trade isn't farfetched at all from Portland's standpoint.

Consider the ramifications for a second.  Houston trades away Sampson, gets Drexler, then drafts Hakeem and Jordan at #1 and #2.  Holy mother of God.  I could get into the Rockets also having some decent guards and swingmen already at the time (which they did), but I don't even need to.  In case you're having trouble realizing the impact this would have on the league, here's a quote from MJ about Hakeem.

"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him."

That's how good Hakeem Olajuwon was.  From an all-around standpoint, you can't top him as a center in the modern era.  You team him with MJ and it doesn't matter one bit who their teammates are.  You could put me, Aiken, and ups out there with those two and you'd have a team that would get to the playoffs.  Two of the best offensive and defensive players of all time on the same team?  Who matches up against that?  They eat every other inside/outside combo alive.  

In addition, this would have made Clyde Drexler's career (already very respectable) change for the better.  You see, he had all the talent in the world but didn't have the mindset to be an alpha dog.  Take away that pressure and he can just do what he does, which is a relatively decent Jordan Lite routine.  He's a perfect 3rd wheel because of his scoring ability, especially since he now would draw every team's second best defender.  Also, his defensive limitations would be masked with Jordan shutting down the other team's best guard and Hakeem patrolling the paint. 

So to sum up, you've got two All NBA 1st Team guys, both of whom are clutch and love to win.  You've also got a 3rd wheel who feasts on anything but top notch defenders and provides extra highlight reels.  They'd stay together because MJ and Hakeem would enjoy eviscerating the league, and Clyde would enjoy the no-pressure-tons-of-props situation.  Surround them with even subpar talent and you're contending for a title.  

That's a lot to say on a non-NFL "What If", I know.  But this team, barring injury, wins at LEAST 8 titles.  And it's not even a question in my mind.  And imagine, Houston passed it up.  Ouch.  I feel cheated in that I never got to see this team.

What if Chris and Joel Thorman had never started Arrowhead Pride?

The damage done here would be almost incalculable.  At the very least...

Ups would be currently writing for some political blog, thus wasting his talent in meaningless pursuits.

Aiken and Porkchop (remember that guy? Sigh...) would start their own website called "All Things Chiefs", which would set a new record for blatant homerism.  

BJ Kissel would become a successful author, reviving the "Choose Your Own Adventure" story, with the twist being all books are about the Chiefs.  While wildly successful, he's left hollow without the interaction of other Chiefs fans and becomes a modern Hemingway (without the self-offing), brooding his life away.

With the national media as the only source of Chief's news, Kansas City fans everywhere become so ignorant as a fanbase other teams' fans begin to lump us in with Charger fans.  

H2E, without an outlet for his rage, goes on a nationwide bank robbing spree, finally being gunned down in a hail of bullets.  His last words are to call the paramedics attempting to revive him "nancyboy mouth-breathers".

The poster formerly known as Falcon, without the distraction of AP, would be referred to right now as "Mr. President".

Chris would finally be using that mustache for the career it was made for.  You know, mustache model.  Get your head out of the gutter.

Joel is wandering the earth, similar to Jules from Pulp Fiction.  He carries around a I-Phone that is engraved "Bad Mother *&$#%@" and sometimes randomly scoops every reporter in the nation on a Chiefs story, only to vanish into the night immediately afterward.

And me?  Well, I'd flunk out of college without such a stimulating site to keep me sharp and hone my writing skills.  My wife leaves me, taking the kids, and I have no choice but to make a living selling my body.  And by that, of course, I mean letting various universities use me for their experiments.  Seriously, get your head out of the gutter.  

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If 2.7 hadn't tweeted about Todd Haley, I think the biggest impact would likely have been him breaking Priest Holmes' franchise rushing record.

But, 2.7 being 2.7, he would have eventually done something else stupid enough to get himself benched or cut. Whether that would have been another misogynistic nightclub incident, or a completely different set of offensive and stupid tweets, or something else entirely I couldn’t say. But, sooner or later, it would have happened. Meanwhile, Charles would have continued to look very good with his limited carries (if I recall correctly, he was already averaging 5ypc on whatever few touches he was getting well before 2.7 got cut) and would have eventually gotten his chance. I don’t care how stubborn Haley is, you can’t look that promising and have the guy ahead of you be that washed up and that big of a douche bag before you inevitably get your shot.

Great post, by the way. Rec’d for being both hilarious and thought provoking!

by MtHammer on Jul 9, 2011 11:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks, and you're probably right about 2.7 and JC

Both were predisposed to end up the way they did. 2.7 because of his stupidity and JC because of his God-given talent.

I AM glad it’s still Priest’s record to break. If I recall, an online petition was circulated practically begging the Chiefs to not allow 2.7 to break the record.

Know what’s ironic in all of this? In his prime, 2.7 would’ve been the absolutely perfect complement to JC. I had a dream once that they were both playing for the Chiefs, only 2.7 was at his peak. it was awesome.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I AM glad it’s still Priest’s record to break. If I recall, an online petition was circulated practically begging the Chiefs to not allow 2.7 to break the record.

This is correct. I remember signing it :)

Know what’s ironic in all of this? In his prime, 2.7 would’ve been the absolutely perfect complement to JC. I had a dream once that they were both playing for the Chiefs, only 2.7 was at his peak. it was awesome.

I understand that L.J. was, at his peak, super productive. But, even (perhaps especially) when he was in him prime, he was still a tremendous douche. I was never really a fan. I mean, you had to respect the talent (though that o-line certainly helped) but never respected the man. If we could resign him today with the guarantee that he’d be as good as he was 5 years ago, I’m still not sure I’d want them to do it.

by MtHammer on Jul 9, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll always wonder what JC could do behind that O-line

And with Fast Eddie stretching the field and Gonzo demanding attention.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

yesssssssssssssssss

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by upamtn on Jul 9, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh duh

And Tony Richardson clearing the lanes

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

and yessssssssssssssssss

like Priest only faster

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by upamtn on Jul 9, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tony Richardson

Very interesting look at the stats for all of the runningbacks he blocked for after the chiefs…could be the greatest losses full backs of all time?

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by chief_ferg on Jul 10, 2011 7:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Blocking*

the kansas city chiefs are my religion their players are my gods their playbook is my bible and arrowhead stadium is my church

by chief_ferg on Jul 10, 2011 7:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

dont forget

Haley benches people for being douche bags. Or because they disagree with him. Or threw an incompletion, dropped a ball, fumbled, etc. Ol Larry would have found his sorry ass on pine eventually anyway.

by rockthenation on Jul 9, 2011 12:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

lol good one.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jul 9, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha rec

That “break your concentration” line is one of the best of all time.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hadn't actually thought about 2.7s tweets and the impact if he hadnt, prolly because I just always thought it was inevitable after all the incidents that preceeded that, but...

My friend and I who go to games together have talked many times about what would have happened had King Carl pulled the trigger on the reported trade offer from the Packers the year before we traded Allen. If I remember correctly didn’t they offer us 2 first round picks?? Maybe that was just a total rumor, cuz I hadn’t discovered this site at that point, but if that was true then I always wondered what would have unfolded had we accepted. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

by Chiefs08Matt on Jul 9, 2011 11:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

What if the real reason Tebow is a virgin is because he likes guys.

What if HIV2Elway got HIV?
 What if A.Davis dies, will all the illegal alien Raider fans go back to Mexico?
What if Hitler hated the Muslims and not the Jews?

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by CPT.Caveman on Jul 9, 2011 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

The first question is obvious.

The rest I’m gonna pass on to the next brave soul to answer…

by Chiefs08Matt on Jul 9, 2011 11:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Chicken

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by CPT.Caveman on Jul 9, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

In order:

1. As far as I’m concerned, nothing would change. It would still be his business and nobody else’s.
2. I’d put good money on him trying to have sex with John Elway.
3. Al Davis will never die.
4. He likely wouldn’t have risen to power. There really weren’t enough Muslims in Germany to make a convenient scapegoat.

by MtHammer on Jul 9, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

#3 is incorrect ...

Al Davis is already dead

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by upamtn on Jul 9, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

they keep finding him new parts like.........

frankenstein!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by LadyChief on Jul 9, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the truth.

Al Davis really doesn’t get enough credit for the barriers he’s broken as sports’ first zombie owner.

Really, he’s like the undead Jackie Robinson.

by MtHammer on Jul 9, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

how DARE you besmirch the good name of Zombies by comparing them to Al Davis!

I am shocked, Sir … truly shocked and stunned

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by upamtn on Jul 9, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've just assumed for a while now

that they keep him animated with strings, like a puppet.

by bamachief5558 on Jul 9, 2011 4:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Phenomenal stuff

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

but working ld the rockets have had the same problem as the heat do now?

Nba teams can only have one alpha dog. Otherwise chaos ensues. Pippen always deferred to jordan. When tim duncan came into the league robinson became the number 2 on the team. Right now the heat have 2 first team guys and 1 second team guy and the mags had 1 second team guy and role players. If hakeem and jordan could mesh together, man, they would win like ten titles. If there was some friction, who knows what would have happened. It would have been fun to watch either way!

by 1kmilesfromkc on Jul 9, 2011 11:52 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

aggghhh!

stupid spell check self correct on my cell phone. title should read “but wouldn’t the rockets have had the same problem as the heat do now?”

and also, i know it’s still really early on the heat—i still expect them to win multiple championships assuming lebron and dwayne can figure out how to play together.

by 1kmilesfromkc on Jul 9, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

and mags should be mavs

last time i post from my cell phone…

by 1kmilesfromkc on Jul 9, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

Hakeem never had a problem sharing glory with Sampson before Sampson fell apart. And he was more obsessed with winning than being an alpha dog (at least according to what I’ve read).

And yeah, it would’ve been awesome to watch. I may have been lowballing it with 8 titles.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt any tension would come from Hakeem

I think it would come from Jordan. Even when the Bulls got Rodman and Pippen was in his prime, everyone knew who the big dog was.

by 1kmilesfromkc on Jul 9, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe. I don't know.

I think MJ would’ve still been considered the superior player and alpha dog, since he would be the guy who created offense and most likely took the clutch shots more often.

He was mostly pathological about winning, though. And he (I think) would’ve been smart enough to realize that Hakeem was his lottery ticket to winning.

I honestly cannot figure out a team from 1986 (let’s say we give them both 2 years to mature) to 1998 that could beat them, barring injury.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing o consider is the type of player

Michael Jordan becomes without Phil Jackson. Also, Scottie Pippen was an all time great defender and him and Michael had great chemistry.

If you rip that away, who knows what would have happened.

Where would Nike be in all of this? With Clyde “The Glide” Drexler sharing the highlight reel. Would Jordan stand out as much, on a potent scoring offense from a triple threat.

This a great what if. These are always fun.

In sports you can always play that “what if card.”

What if the Chiefs moved up four spots and drafted Joe Montana in 1979 with Marv Levy as the head Coach in the entire decade of the 80’s?

Would Joe Montana succeed under Levy, would he be terrible without the influence of Bill Walsh. Would Bill Walsh be terrible without Montana.

The next two QB’s available for Walsh, Steve Dils and Dan Manucci. I like Montana’s chances with Marv better, but who knows?

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 9, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nope

He was already signed with Nike BEFORE the draft. They had big plans for him.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

but it all would have changed if he wasn't a Bull

Air Jordans 1985 might have been named differently if he was a Rocket. How do they not play off the team name at that point. Nike was very good at marketing. Meh, who knows

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 9, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

All interesting thoughts

But considering MJ was the best player in college and already a top 5 NBA player before Phil showed up, I think he still would’ve gone down in history. His teams just sucked horribly until about 1988…

But yeah, the what if game is one of my favorites, both in sports and real life. There are a few great books written about historical what ifs.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you might be right

comparing any other scenario is hard to do because Jordan wasn’t just the best of an era. I bet even playing with Hakeem he would have been a stand out, and hakeem would have to defer. if Jordan did have a super team, I wonder if another team would have tried to make a second one (which it seems the Knicks are slowly trying to do right now). But man, that would have been a blast to watch, as long as I wasn’t a fan of any other team!

btw—loved the post—anything that gets me talking about something besides the lockout I’m all for.

by 1kmilesfromkc on Jul 9, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, that's what I'm going for

There’s not a lot of new Chiefs news to talk about, so I do what I can to pass the time.

I’m excited for when TC begins and games start so I have something concrete to talk about.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stockton and Malone with the Jazz

talk about perfect together … it was those two and some guys standing around watching, and they still went to what, playoffs for about 10 yrs straight?

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by upamtn on Jul 9, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

but malone was the scorer, stockton the passer

Hakeem and Jordan would both be scorers. and neither malone or stockton had the ego of jordan

by 1kmilesfromkc on Jul 9, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

did you really call Dirk a second team guy?

If he proved anything it’s that 1st and 2nd team labels are given according to popularity, not talent. How many legit “2nd team” guys can lead a bunch of, as you said, “role players” to a championship? None. Ugh, but this is a battle I have been fighting for years. We can thank ESPN’s coverage (not unlike the Chiefs, how many people knew who Tamba Hali was before last season) for the common misconception of one of the greatest sportsmen to ever play, Dirk Nowitzki.

by mdchiefsfan on Jul 10, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Another leg to the Tom Brady knee thing:

Josh McD never tries to trade for Cassel, meaning Cutler most likely stays in Denver, which leaves the Bears looking for a QB as well. Meanwhile, the Bronco’s wouldn’t have the Bears 1st round pick that year, saving them from Robert Ayers (who to my limited eye hasn’t made much of a difference that I’ve seen).

I doubt that would have saved McD’s career as the Bronco’s head coach, but it is something to think about.

by DanielH123 on Jul 9, 2011 11:53 AM CDT reply actions  

On that same note

McD doesn’t become a head coach in 2009 because of riding the game of developing Cassel into a semi-decent QB in 2008. Shanny leaves Denver, and they coax either Marty or Cowher out of retirement. Gasp!

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

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by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 9, 2011 11:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gasp is right

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by CPT.Caveman on Jul 9, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or....

…they hire Todd Haley. chew on THAT for a minute

by DanielH123 on Jul 9, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa

That would suck.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

The ripples from that injury

Spread across the entire pond didn’t they?

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ive said it a thousand times and I'll say it again

Cowher is overrated.

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by Sudden on Jul 9, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

if I've told you once I've told you a billion times ...

… don’t exaggerate

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by upamtn on Jul 9, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

definitely.........................

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by LadyChief on Jul 9, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

and then we get Tebow?

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by upamtn on Jul 9, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

MJ and Hakeem ... that re3ally WOULD have been something to see

well done, MN … you’re nearing our Pulitzer even as we speak, or type, or whatever … but my political blog might have some merit if I can just convince TexChief to give up his illusions of Independence (he wants to declare his house as a soverign nation – I’m actually in favor of the entire state of Texas seceding from the union, followed by a 10,000 mile 12 ft high fence around the place)

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by upamtn on Jul 9, 2011 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

now................

that’s funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by LadyChief on Jul 9, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But then the U.S. would be hitting Texas up to buy it’s debt within a year :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if Bernard Pollard hadn’t crashed into Tom Brady’s knee?

Maybe we’d have a real QB

What if 2.7 never tweets about Todd Haley?

He’s eventually said/did something that got him out of KC.

What if the 1984 NBA Draft panned out differently?

What the hell is the NBA?

What if Chris and Joel Thorman had never started Arrowhead Pride?

If I remember the AP history correctly, Chris had a blog called tomahawkchop.com or something like that and SBNation sought him out to bring his blog over to the SBNation platorm. IF that would never had happened, there would probably still be an Arrowhead Pride, but maybe not ran as well, but I’m sure most of the commenters would stil be here.

Happiness is a long walk with a putter.

by craig in calgary on Jul 9, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey, you know what...

You didn’t take nearly enough time to answer those. Come back in another 1700 words. Go big or go home, craig.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we’d have a real QB

Maybe we’d still have Thigpen!


(Obligatory)

by MtHammer on Jul 9, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

Jeter just hit a HR for #3000

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by craig in calgary on Jul 9, 2011 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

What a show off...

"You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything."

by BigRedChief on Jul 9, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

a lot

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jul 9, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

and there you have it

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Jul 9, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pioli most certainly would have still gone after Vrabel in some capacity

And Shaq, while not the best all around Center of all time, certainly was most dominate one of the modern game.

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by ArrowSpread on Jul 9, 2011 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Ah, and good post!

Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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by ArrowSpread on Jul 9, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks man

But Shaq wasn’t the rebounder or defender Hakeem was, and didn’t care nearly as much. I’d take the dream over Shaq any day.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

He cared enough to get 4 rings.

Hakeem was good, great even, but he didn’t dominate the block like Shaq did. There’s a reason “Hack-a-Shaq” became the go-to plan, because he backed his man up no matter who it was and put the ball in the bucket, and caused all kinds of foul trouble. And the dude was just too massive to handle with one body.

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by ArrowSpread on Jul 9, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

But again, not nearly the complete player Hakeem was

And he only won one of those championships without another top 5 player on his team, and Kobe was a top 10 player that year. Hakeem won two without another top 15 player.

Hakeem was a better rebounder, better shot blocker, and better team defender. Shaq was maybe a better passer.

But take all that away. How’d Shaq do against Hakeem? Oh yeah, The Dream took him apart and outscored him in every game they met in the finals. So much for Shaq being unstoppable :)

Don’t get me wrong, Shaq was a great player. But he never carried a team like Hakeem did and lost head-to-head against Hakeem in the Finals.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed, MN

if ever there was one player to build a team around, it was Akeem the Dream … Malone had his Stockton, Shaq had his Kobe, MJ had Scottie, Chamberlain had West, Russel had a wide cast of supporters …

Olajuwan had himself

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by upamtn on Jul 9, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd still take MJ over Hakeem if I wanted to win a title

But only because of MJ’s competitive sickness. No one in history matched it, and I personally think it’s ruined him as a human being. But it sure did drive him to greatness.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pipped would take 'Bron over both of em!

smh.. One of the dumbest public pronouncements in the history of sports.

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by ArrowSpread on Jul 10, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you remember that one time Hakeem made Shaq his little bitch boy in the NBA finals?

Cause I remember that

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by nateforchiefs on Jul 9, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was during 13 month span

In which he owned Robinson, Shaq, and Ewing. All in their primes.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 10, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes it was. Hakeem 'The Dream" Olajuwon was almost unstoppable.

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by nateforchiefs on Jul 10, 2011 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think if Brady never gets injured we end up not giving up picks to grab Cassel

he outperforms a vet and we look like geniuses. Also we’d probably trade a five for Vrabel, or just pick him up in free agency. I’m assuming this because we picked up every possible New England castoff that year, even guys who only spent a few days in training camp with them

BOOM!

by 808NaNz808 on Jul 9, 2011 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

That does make sense

Especially with all the praise Pioli and McDaniels heaped on Cassel’s work ethic. But that’s not nearly as wild to speculate about.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha yeah. But good point on McDaniels

He could have ended up in Denver instead of Kansas City, wanting to be around his QB coach.

Jay Cutler would end up somewhere other than Chicago as McDaniels would just trade him to the team with the most picks.

The Broncos would screw up those picks too.

The Chiefs would draft Freeman

BOOM!

by 808NaNz808 on Jul 9, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be honest...

I wouldn’t hate it if we had Freeman instead of Cassel. I like Cassel, but Freeman’s a great young QB with better physical tools.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well done MN. I have been a fan of Akeems since before the ref's stole 2 titles from him

and I quit with the NBA. LJ was a piece of work from the gitgo. CP drafting him for a favor to Joe Paterno when we had other pressing needs and a Priest still in his prime.

by dubld on Jul 9, 2011 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Aw well, at least we didn't miss out on a transcendent safety that draft...

Wait, what?

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's athletic with tons of upside!

At least, that’s what I keep hearing…

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes but he doesn't have a football clue

I want him to work out, and it is painful to be more optimistic then I am about the Chiefs.

However, he is lost on the field. He bites on everything, is constantly out of position. Yes, he can jump out of the gym, but who cares if he is jumping and the ball has even been thrown yet.

His awareness is terrible, he is not good on special teams, however if he can pull it together, he does have all the potential in the world.

However, it will take a miracle. So pray.

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 9, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

sounds like you need some.................

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by LadyChief on Jul 9, 2011 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

What if Kevin Dyson stretched out another yard?

What if Delaney didn’t tragically die?
What if Jared Allen was never traded?
What if Drew Bledsoe never got injured?
What if Craig isn’t in Calgary?
What if the Texans stayed in Dallas?

by kckrazy25 on Jul 10, 2011 3:02 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Prolly shoulda let LJ go when...

he called in to a local radio station braggin about his fight with Scott Fujita at practice during his rookie year.

by LookListenLearn on Jul 10, 2011 12:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice! Rec'd....Guess I'm a little late to the party...

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