A look at possible Chiefs line up

I'd have to say no to

retaining Kevin Curtis, Shaun Smith starting ahead of Tyson Jackson and Bannon over Mike Cox, and acquiring Johnathan Joseph. Also I don’t believe Powe will be the starter at NT at any point this season.

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by bobby sippio! on Jul 8, 2011 4:08 PM CDT reply actions

Smith was a top run stuffer last season, bud

But I agree that if Smith is starting over Jackson, we have a problem. Smith needs to be rotating at the nose with Edwards and Powe (who most certainly will not be starting), and at DE. If Jackson isn’t capable of manning up in his 3rd season, it might be time to move on.

Bannon, for all his praise, was still a 7th round flier. I don’t expect much out of him year one. And Curtis.. crafty vet that knows his position very well and is sure-handed. Could be an overlooked commodity and veteran presence on the field, as well as in the locker room. If he is retained, it will be because he’s capable.

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by ArrowSpread on Jul 9, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions

Jackson will become the (comeback ) player this season, although

I do like the (only free-agent signee Matt Light),…..and this a very hard schedule, the Chiefs have the capability to take the next step. Super- Bowl ???? Possible, but difficult, (much more difficult than last years schedule). But confidence is given to the entire program, because they’ve earned it.

by gregorychief on Jul 10, 2011 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions

Matt Light over Ryan Harris?

I’d take top 10 26 year-old ZBS technician over an over the hill mauler like Matt Light or boom-or-bust road-grader like Clabo.

by Aesthetist on Jul 8, 2011 4:25 PM CDT reply actions

agreed

by stagdsp on Jul 11, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions

The coaching staff prob'ly feels the same way.

Harris would bring some interesting competition to OT.

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by hmills110 on Jul 11, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Light is old and wants an LT contract not RT, Clabo is a big ? in a ZBS

Who is Bleacher? No thanks to Joseph

Won’t happen, shouldn’t happen.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 8, 2011 6:22 PM CDT reply actions

Jovan Bleacher

is my Jovan Belcher guess, honest mistake.

Honest mistake martymar94…. good work.

Can you break down why you would like the Chiefs to make some of these moves…???

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 8, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions

Its called a joke but congrats

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 8, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions

I was kidding and being nice myself badazzmf. :)

Thank you, congratz are always welcome.

You don’t think I understand the AP who is _______ (fill in the spelling error) jokes yet.

They are an AP gold standard that has spread like legs.

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 8, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Without your joke, a dummy like me would still be scratching his head over "Bleacher."

I thought it was an inside joke I wasn’t getting. Chief-blinders-on took you seriously, by mistake, but his mistake cleared it up for at least one dummy!

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by hmills110 on Jul 9, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions

Mostly I was trying to be respectful

to Martymar94, he took time out of his day to try an get us talking and I respect that.

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 9, 2011 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions

Worked for me!

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by hmills110 on Jul 9, 2011 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions

I think Harris from the Broncos would fit in nicely at RT, and is better at the ZBS.

Next year the Chiefs o-line should look like this
LT B.Albert
LG R.Lilja
C R.Hudson
RG J.Asamoah
RT B.Richardson

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by CPT.Caveman on Jul 9, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions

Asamoah at RG?

Why move Lilja?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 9, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions

Lilja did play (exclusively, I think - please correct if I'm wrong) LG at IND

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Jul 9, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions

I believe that is the case, although I do believe Asamoah was working out at LG

before and Lilja didn’t do a terrible job on the right side helping Richardson either. Not sure if we stuck with BRich it would be wise to move Lilja in favor of Asamoah and make that side possibly more weak

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 9, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions

True

I just think that O Line on the left side (for a right handed QB) requires more experience / ability to make reads / communication than the right side.

And you’d usually want your wily vets on that side. Especially with Albert still being fairly young over all. Having a young Albert at LT and an even younger LG (and even possibly a rookie C) – might make for some shaky times / growing pains that could be averted by having a more experienced veteran over on the left side at G.

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by TRSChief on Jul 9, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions

Even with Waters declined play last year the left side was stronger in pass pro(IIRC anyways)

I think I would keep Lilja at RG and try Asamoah at LG, maybe switch them if the line is horrible

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 9, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions

I'm ok with that as well.

But hope we upgrade Lilja with a FA this year and a draft pick next year to play the LG position. Several good options for LG and RT in next years draft.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jul 9, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions

Upgrade Lilja with FA then also a new draft pick?

Where does Asamoah fit? haha

Tackle seems to be top heavy next year in the draft without much starter depth at the bottom besides guys you need to bring along

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 9, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions

I think it's better to have the 2 vets on the left side, and i do believe that Lilja played LG at Indy.

J.Asamoah is 6’5" 315 I don’t think adding him at RG makes the line weaker, in fact it might make it stronger on the right side. Lilja was getting pushed back into the pocket a lot last year so i wouldn’t mind replacing him completely.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jul 9, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions

Weaker in the fact that BRich does not have much experience

Then Asamoah would basically be a rookie, and if Hudson starts thats another rookie. Lilja did help out BRich which is why I think at least to start Lilja should stick to RG

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 9, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions

I understand

But B.Rich was improving and i believe J.Asamoah has the talent and size to be a great Guard at either position, even now with the lack of experience.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jul 9, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions

BRich was improving but he still had several lapses, I'm questioning if it was because of

Lilja that he didn’t have so many(or they were covered up)

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 9, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions

We don't need a corner

And this isn’t the year for the big push, so Matt Light is too old. Harris is the obvious choice for tackle, I think. I would like to see us sign the NT from seattle (can’t think of his name atm) instead of keeping ron.

Even without a big FA, I think we’re just as well off with smith/powe as edwards/powe or edwards/smith. They can all fill the spot, none are a clear cut number one, but we should work powe in there because he could end up as just that.

I think Jackson does a better job than he gets credit for; the main job for the 3 in a 3-4 is to eat up blockers so the LBs can make the plays; and quite frankly that’s not what most of us are paying attention to when we watch the games.

I have high hopes for this season; I think houston will start (almost?) right away, and will make a big impact merely by being someone who can get to the qb from the opposite side of hali. It doesn’t even matter if he sucks at coverage. The way offenses slant their protection toward hali, any good pass rusher at the opposite spot should get more than ten sacks. It’s pathetic that studebaker and vrabel couldn’t do that between the two of them.

Similarly, Baldwin could refuse to learn the playbook and still make our offense ten times better. He could run 15 yards down field, stand there, and wait for a jump ball on every play and put up better numbers than chambers & co. And just like that defenses are limited to 8-9 guys in the box instead of everyone but one guy for bowe.

by graviton on Jul 8, 2011 6:23 PM CDT reply actions

Actually, the Jonathan Joseph idea is pretty intriguing.

If they could come to terms with Joseph, they’d get better, instantly, with a nickel back as good as most teams’ #1 (Imagine Carr or Flowers as your #3, to play the slot!), or just have 3 CBs who are all pretty much equally good. No weak spots, when you dip into your rotation. Injury insurance available to very few teams in the NFL, AND a better shot at keeping your guys healthy. Give Flowers a rest BEFORE he starts cramping up. KC doesn’t have NEAR that kind of depth, even as improved as they are, right now. Teams so rarely go overkill on DB. Sure a lot of teams carry a lot of DBs, but a lot of those players are playing special teams and their GM is hoping one of them will be a low-budget gem, while few of them actually are.

Can you imagine having a surplus at corner for a season? Chances are good you end up being thankful you had that 3rd awesome corner, with the added benefit down the road of garnering a draft pick for a team in need.

And that’s not even considering the possibility that, with both Joseph and Carr as FA, that they don’t just straight-up bring in Joseph and NOT Carr. I’d like to have BOTH of ‘em, and let the rest of the guys on the depth chart fight it out for one fewer chairs when the music stops, and the final cut to 53 is made. Sorry, Mo’ Leggs, Travis, ????

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by hmills110 on Jul 9, 2011 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions

Hard to imagine Flowers as a #3 guy for us.

But i do like the idea of getting J.Joseph, and i even thought we might draft a CB early in this years draft. The only reason i don’t think it will happen is we already have J.Arenas and we got J.Brown who’s a man coverage type of CB. I get the feeling that Pioli will stick to the in house approach while adding talent for the future through the draft.
I also think B.Richardson will be our starting RT, C.Weigmann will retire and J.Asamoah will be starting on our o-line somewhere.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jul 9, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions

oh come on mills!

we have flowers, carr, arenas…we have money to spend

you are saying to go sign a CB, which would put arenas in DIME only type packages. and we would be tossing loads and loads of money at a guy who is at the position flowers and carr(both players we should sign) are, and quite frankly would not just take snaps and spend money, but it sets the marker for their future contracts. I look at this team, and I dont see a big money contract going to DB making the least bit of sense…..unless the team plans to move on from flowers or carr…otherwise you are overpaying for an upgrade that is a lot smaller than one at another position of potential need

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by SDChief on Jul 9, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Agree here

Don’t see us going after a CB in FA with Flowers, Carr, Arenas, Brown, Etc(besides resigning Carr and possibly Flowers this year)

Would like to see us go after a RB though

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 9, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions

When I see a dominant defense, I'll let up on the gas.

There’re really only two guys I feel good about at corner, and that’s the two current starters. If we all like competition at all positions, then I’d like to see a 3rd guy who can steal snaps from Carr and Flowers. You bet.

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by hmills110 on Jul 10, 2011 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions

If we didn't have so many important positions/players to resign

Then the talk of bringing in another top corner, but sadly I don’t think thats the case as of now

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 10, 2011 5:16 AM CDT up reply actions

There's STILL gonna be room after those signings,

especially now that they’re out of the top 10 in the 1st round.

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by hmills110 on Jul 11, 2011 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions

Flowers, Carr, Hali, Bowe, Albert, Dorsey will all need contracts soon

With Flowers, Carr, Arenas, Brown I wouldn’t worry about JJ unless Pioli and Co. didn’t plan on bringing back either Flowers or Carr

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 11, 2011 5:27 AM CDT up reply actions

Most teams and GMs look at it just the way you are, BAMF.

There’s a certain misconception that peeks through every time I hear somebody saying something like “I don’t think Brandon Flowers wants to be JUST a nickel back.” Very few teams have that 3rd corner, who would start on ’most any other team. To everyone else, it looks like JJ is overkill, and, depending on how some of our young guys develop (or not), it may just be PRUDENCE.

People think that, just because we spent a 2nd-rounder on Javy, that he’s automatically good enough, and I saw some clear signs that he had real issues contesting passes. I’m halfway tempted to sign a guy like Joseph and give Arenas a go at being the young RB folks are talking about KC needing.

Ahmad Bradshaw: 5’9’’, 198.
Javier Arenas: 5’9’’, 197.

Again, BAMF will remind me that these numbers are BS. Nevertheless, that height and weight just scream HB at me.

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by hmills110 on Jul 11, 2011 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions

Actually this time I'll let ya off the hook with those numbers cause you have talked me into

wanting to see him take a few snaps at RB and see what he can do.

On defense I just think RC wants to get Arenas on the field due to the fact he can blitz and it brings that extra guy to worry about Woodson style.

(or maybe that’s what I’d do, have heat coming from everywhere)

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 11, 2011 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions

I like that, too, but to be all-around GOOD, I think he needs to be able to play press coverage

from time to time, and I haven’t been impressed with that part of his game. His natural abilities may lie more in being able to get something done with the ball than in trying to prevent someone else from getting the ball. There are just too many long and tall receivers who seem to be able to fend him off, like my older brother did, with a hand on my forehead when I was in a rage. I think that same WR would find it virtually impossible to bring Javy down if Javy had the ball. He’s the kind of guy who, if you’re quick enough to catch him, you’re not strong enough to knock him down.

To my eye, the ability to do come up and press, when you want to, changes the whole complexion of the defense. I still remember the days when the Chiefs ATTACKED any kind of spread or, in those days, “run-and-shoot” schemes. Since the arrival of Reggie Tongue, KC hasn’t really had that 3rd guy in the secondary who makes it HARD for offenses to simply field more WRs than you have quality DBs to cover ’em with.

Eric Berry’s a step in the right direction, but even HE needs to show he can play those press techniques, and we haven’t seen much of that from him, either. Just the merest glimpse.

Bottom line: They still weren’t good enough to come up and jam every eligible at the line, and Arenas was part of that. I think it would’ve made his blitzes more effective if he’d been better at press coverage, and mixed that in on a relatively frequent basis, so there’d be some doubt about whether he was coming or not. As it was, he seemed mostly to play man-off in sort of a PREvent style, and blitzed less often as the season progressed. If he weren’t going to be beaten off the line every time in press, then he could line up tight more often and blitz very effectively from there on the changeup.

Nowadays, more than EVER, offenses have that advantage. EVERYbody these days has enough WRs to generate mismatches against just about everybody else. Do you accept that as your inevitable fate on defense, or do you push back, and PUNISH the fools for spreading themselves out for you to eat alive in their backfield.

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by hmills110 on Jul 11, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions

I want to say that it could have just been that he was still adjusting to the NFL

However I’m not completely sold that is the case, with his compact frame he should be able to generate one hell of a jam but it looks like he is afraid of getting beat. At ’Bama he did rather well on the outside, maybe he can shift out at times and play Flowers or Carr or whomever else in the slot to give that extra split second off the line.

Although two 5’9’’ outside corners do rather scare me

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 11, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions

And that's another piece of it.

I think Arenas is pure man-off. I half-kiddingly talk about him trying out for the regular offense, but I also see Arenas as maybe being best in some sort of safety role. I think Arenas could do a lot of good as the (a) deep safety. Excellent tackler. Maybe he can do a Blaine Bishop imitation (another 5’9’’ 200-pounder).

Kendrick Lewis has some hand-fighting and press coverage potential, imo. Jalil Brown scouts as someone who will enjoy getting his hands on people, and making them fight to get into their routes.

The thing about Arenas is he showed a lot of presence in his rookie year, and shorter arms means more leverage. If he has hand quickness to go with it, he could learn how to fend off longer-armed receivers and get into their chest. But until he learns, I’m not satisfied.

But half-kiddingly or not, I still think Arenas has an intriguing tool kit to bring to HB. He’s a small guy who could be a punishing runner, who’s as big a threat to bust one as Charles or McCluster.

And with all the talk of guys like Asomugha and Joseph out there in FA, I can see them upgrading two positions with one FA acquisition.

Heh. Sort of Madden-esque, I suppose…

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by hmills110 on Jul 11, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions

This defense is really starting to look like it has a ton of versatility

There are a lot of different things that could happen, hopefully RC can take advantage of the defense

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 11, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions

agree with millls

by dubld on Jul 10, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Hey. Somebody brings up a top corner, and I'm hitchin' up the bandwagon, baby!

One difference between you and me, when it comes to adding talent, especially at corner, is I don’t worry about stretching things outta shape. If Arenas struggles to earn snaps, that’s his problem.

I’m pretty conservative on team-build, except when it comes to linemen and perimeter players. Any opportunity of getting better at the two extremes, and I can get stupid, but J. Joseph stupid, not A. Haynesworth stupid.

I like Flowers and Carr. That doesn’t mean I’m not always on the lookout for extraordinary talent at DB. And I think that with all the “It’s a QB-driven league” remarks (to the point of gagging), worrying about paying too much for a 3rd CB just seems out of place, especially on a team that’s been so questionable against 3 WR sets for so long.

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by hmills110 on Jul 10, 2011 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions

Who is Beaston?

Get him on the roster

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by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 8, 2011 6:29 PM CDT reply actions

There's a beast lined up with Baldwin.......

by Theblind Tiger on Jul 8, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions

can we wait to see who we have on the roster first?

or is this the Madden version?

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by upamtn on Jul 8, 2011 6:59 PM CDT reply actions

KC will not bring in a lot of outsiders

my guess is that KC will sign nearly all of their current players and maybe bring in one or two guys from other teams (Breaston, and maybe Matt Light).

by Theblind Tiger on Jul 8, 2011 9:00 PM CDT reply actions

Depends on how close Pioli is.

Or how close he thinks he is. And if he thinks he’s close, maybe he stocks up in ways we aren’t expecting. Part of a pattern of conservatism is you set yourself up for a year(s) where you can be very aggressive.

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by hmills110 on Jul 9, 2011 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions

I think the Chiefs are very close now.

Alot of it rides on whether C.Weigmann retires or not, but over all I don’t see too many holes. A upgrade at RT would be nice but B.Richardson was catching on nicely. The Offense is pretty much set with no major needs other than maybe depth at Tackle.

On Defense where counting a couple of rookies to make the difference, J.Houston should be the added pass rush we’ve been looking for, and J.Powe should be that 2 down middle stuffing NT to push this team over the top. We also have Bailey for quality depth at DE or OLB and maybe even at LILB? Once the roster is figured out I’m pretty confident the Chiefs front 7 on defense will be tough to deal with.

Are we close enough to aggressively go after some big names…….. I think so, but i also think we have the players now to make a S.B push in 2012.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jul 9, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions

I think your description of Powe may be accurate in a season or two

Just not this one.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Jul 9, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions

Powe should be able to squat and hold down the middle during this season

Just not all the time

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 9, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions

We really have several options on the front 3

Over the last few years the Chiefs have acquired players either thru the draft or from the FA market that can play any position on the line. Now even Dorsey could be moved inside on certain plays with Bailey playing his position and don’t forget S.Smith either.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jul 9, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions

I don't think the NT position will be that bad this year if we keep Edwards/Smith

With Powe and have a solid rotation of the 3

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 9, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Smith isn't a NT

Edwards/Powe rotation for 2 downs a game sounds good though.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 9, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions

Why do you believe Smith can not play the nose?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 9, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Because we tried him there in the beginning of the year last year

And ultimately it didn’t work out, he’s just a much better DE so his talents are squandered at NT.

Plus splitting up 2 downs with 3 players makes no sense, and there’s no way Powe will ever be a DE.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 10, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions

No one said Powe at DE

Edwards/Powe at NT with Smith at DE/NT, is it really that hard to understand?

Edwards got gassed last year, Powe really might not be able to step in day 1 and be a good contributor at NT. Smith can rotate between DE and the NT rotation keeping Edwards fresh and giving Powe some time to learn

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 10, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions

Edwards has gotten wore down every year because we have

no depth to spell him from the continual pounding our NT is exposed to, so we need help to augment the position. Expecting Powe to play well is wishful thinking as he might not make the roster, so it is imperative we find help for the position.

by dubld on Jul 10, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Y u no mention Anthony Toribio?

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by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 10, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions

Because he ain't all that great, maybe?

He might take a step forward, just from having a PAIR of big edge rushers on the field.

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by hmills110 on Jul 11, 2011 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions

Because Powe takes Toribio's place on the Roster

The young NT to groom and

Because he ain’t all that great, maybe?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 11, 2011 5:28 AM CDT up reply actions

Yes.

I would expect Powe to fairly quickly surpass Toribio, and Toribio was one I penciled-in as a future cut.

I think Crennel left the door open for Toribio, because he has all the intangibles, and trains and practices correctly. Toribio could be a young Shaun Smith in the making, and, depending on the impact that Houston and Bailey bring, guys like Smith and Toribio might be able to turn in a workmanlike job, and be valuable, because Crennel can rely on them to be consistent, if not flashy.

I saw signs that Toribio wasn’t stout enough for last year’s D, but last year’s D had a lack of OOMPH in 1 or 2 (maybe 3) of those front 5 spots, aside from NT. Most of what I remember of what little I saw of Toribio was that he knew what he was doing, but wasn’t quite stout enough. But on a better, more physical team, he might be nice to have around as a plug-and-play backup.

For all my criticism of Toribio, the fact is he only saw action in 5 games. Yes, he’s near the bottom of the roster, but he’s still got a shot. Again, depending on how blocking schemes are affected by some of the new blood, a guy who trains right, and will unselfishly play Crennel’s 2-gap techniques all day long might be exactly what they need to keep everybody’s legs fresh, without having to search the world over for THE perfect NT.

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by hmills110 on Jul 11, 2011 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions

I was joking

But we did sign him for a few years, he may have more then we think…

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by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 11, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions

If he KNOWS HIS JOB and they add talent elsewhere,

he might be just what they need to be good and deep.

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by hmills110 on Jul 11, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions

See I like depth

You look it up in the dictionary and you see a picture of Toribio

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by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 11, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Why not sign him for a few years? He was cheap and if he turned into a gem

Well we got a cheap one.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 11, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions

Smith is a decent DE, except for pass rush.

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by hmills110 on Jul 11, 2011 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions

I think that Smith looks like a decent NT.

I know I don’t particularly like him as a pass rusher in 5-tech.

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by hmills110 on Jul 10, 2011 2:41 AM CDT up reply actions

And what you like his pass rushing skills at 0-tech more?

5-techs are never the best pass rushers, unless you’re name is Seymour with Wilfork next to you.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 10, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions

Yes, I think he'd be better from the inside.

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by hmills110 on Jul 11, 2011 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions

Well it was tried already

So don’t really know man.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 11, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Crennel had him playing both DE and NT in Cleveland.

With Dorsey and Jackson both healthy, I feel that his best shot for more snaps is @ NT. Certainly expect some DE from him, but that might amount to an invitation to pass on 1st and/or 2nd down.

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by hmills110 on Jul 11, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions

Again we tried him at NT and it didn't work

Cleveland is somewhere else entirely.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 11, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions

I never saw him play NT.

When did this happen? Preseason?

I know they spoke of him at DE in training camp.

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by hmills110 on Jul 12, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions

O think Scotty was aiming for this year to sign the player(s) that fits

by dubld on Jul 9, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions

Think chess

You strategize, strategize, hide your strategy, protect your pieces. This can go on for a looooooooooooonnnnnnnnngggggg time. Then, when everything is in place, you strike. And it can happen with alarming quickness.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions

It's fascinating, all of this speculation, and we're talking about a few areas of need or

depth when a couple of years ago, it seemed, that we needed just about everything. It’s
amazing how far our Chief’s, this organization, has come in two years.

by jcox31mc on Jul 9, 2011 2:45 PM CDT reply actions

yes it is

not drafting busts and grooming those already on the roster is a big change from the way the Chiefs use to do business

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 9, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions

Yep

If even half our draft picks pan out decently this year we’re looking very, very good.

Hopefully it’s the first 3 rounds and Powe :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't think they were immune to busts.

Colin Brown didn’t last very long. Alex Magee didn’t work out for the 3-4.

What’s really different is they don’t seem to get their hearts stuck on anybody. Sure, Pioli is a big d-line fan, and believes he knows what he’s looking for, but he didn’t let his ego stand in the way, when 2 big men didn’t work out.

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by hmills110 on Jul 10, 2011 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions

It's not that surprising, considering the NFL is set up to make that 10-6 to 6-10 Win window in reach of everybody.

Any outfit that’s reasonably serious should be in that window.

But it does seem like Pioli’s doing it the (a) right way.

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by hmills110 on Jul 10, 2011 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions

yep

by dubld on Jul 10, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions

It is interesting to look at the available Free Agents and

actually worry about them standing in the way of someone we already have or who we might draft early next year.

Would you sign a FA like Stephen Tulloch from Tennessee and pass on one of the stud young LB’s in next years draft?

Sign a guy like Gaither or Harris when next year has some good Tackles available?

I look at the Free Agents and automatically eliminate any players over 30, but maybe those one or two year guys fit what Pioli wants to do? Like Jones and Vrabel, Weigmann.

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 9, 2011 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

Pioli still has a 1- or 2-year window where he can afford to overpay short-term.

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by hmills110 on Jul 10, 2011 2:53 AM CDT up reply actions

I would not mind seeing Wiegmann and Vrabel retire this year.

Neither one looked great last year and Wiegmann doesn’t seem to hold his own against the big nose tackles.

by Mustang fever on Jul 9, 2011 5:52 PM CDT reply actions

Wiegs is the only center we currently have with any real zbs knowledge though

I’d love for him to come back and teach Hudson a thing or two before passing on the torch

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 9, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions

not me, that's why we pay coaches.

by dubld on Jul 9, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Good on paper

But unrealistic about the way it works in the NFL. No amount of coaching can prepare you for the unbelievable increase in speed/power/technique on game day. The only thing that can compensate is either being a freak talent-wise or experience.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 9, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions

So you you think a veteran can do what a coach cannot? How is Wiegy telling Hudson anything different from a coach?

I think you are mistaken about how things work in the NFL If they couldn’t coach their specialty they wouldn’t be here.

by dubld on Jul 10, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions

Wiegs can play the first few games if need be

A coach can’t. Rudy has like zero game time in a ZBS system as well, hes really no better off than Hudson at this point. I think you are mistaken about how things work in the NFL

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 10, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions

I can't wait to see what Pioli actually does with the roster

Which FA’s get signed or re-signed, what positions get addressed and which are set in Pioli’s mind.

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 10, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions

There will be an instant fury of FA signings

That is what really interests me, will Pioli see someone and go get them or wait to see whats left after that first 24 hours or so

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H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 10, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions

I bet he has a pair of targets

and will see how the bidding goes, keeping an eye on our own UFA’s

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 10, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions

Cause coaches can really help Hudson or Rudy out right now can't they?

Geez

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 9, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.

by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 10, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions

I hope he is

But I still think Joseph is better

by LookListenLearn on Jul 10, 2011 10:54 PM CDT reply actions

For now sure

But JJ wasn’t even the best corner on his team

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Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.

by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 10, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah i know Leon Hall is better

But hey Carr’s not the best corner on his team either.

by LookListenLearn on Jul 11, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions

He was better then JJ

Last year

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Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.

by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 11, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions

I must say, with all my talk about adding CB talent at every opportunity,

I was really pleased with a lot of the things Carr did. I definitely want him back.

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by hmills110 on Jul 11, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm just glad he finally turns his head around

The main problem with him was he could never get his head around even though he was on a WR like a blanket. Why he lead the league in passes defensed.

We got some good coaches now, I like our future at damn near every position.

Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong

Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.

by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 11, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions