Chiefs Free Agency: These Guys Can Walk
by Joel Thorman on Jul 7, 2011 1:57 PM CDT
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Here's the full list of the Chiefs (expected) unrestricted free agents: NT Ron Edwards, DE Shaun Smith, WR Terrance Copper, C Casey Wiegmann, S Jon McGraw, LB Charlie Anderson, WR Kevin Curtis, CB Travis Daniels, LB Mike Vrabel, FB Tim Castille, OT Ryan O'Callaghan, LB Corey Mays, TE Leonard Pope, C Rudy Niswanger and QB Brodie Croyle.
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Add McGraw to the list and I completely agree
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
I have to ask
do you want our special teams to look like the 2010 Chargers?
Gotta love a good pass rush.
the special teams wasn't fantastic in 2010
guys like Copper and McGraw WERE the best ST players on the team… but guys like Tucker and Greenwood are taking over, hopefully
I didn't say it was because of his on-field play
He is the Vrabel of our special teams. He is the one that makes sure people know what to do. If he is replaced by someone more athletic then the team will be better off.
Gotta love a good pass rush.
He is the Vrabel of our special teams.
And that is the problem. Vrable is beyond washed up. If he wants to coach let him but quit wasting a roster spot on the bum.
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
as i said
If he is replace by someone more athletic then the team will be better off.
that goes for Vrabel and McGraw.
Gotta love a good pass rush.
so, we all agree
I’ll let HR know to stop paying Vrabel and McGraw… (once they start paying players, that is)
At some point the team has to move on from McGraw and Vrabel
I like McGraw better than Vrabel (Vrabel did nothing of substance last season). I can’t imagine the Chiefs keeping 6 safeties, and 5 would be overkill, but it all depends upon if the corners are deep and whether a guy like Donald Washington or Maurice Leggett can be a flex player, working at both S and CB.
he did block and recover a punt in the endzone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNm2rFzdvW8&feature=related
by LHO on Jul 7, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
We have plenty of young legs that actually have the potential to contribute at their positions.
Dude is the most replaceable guy on the team save maybe one of the extra FBs.
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
Kendrick Lewis was vastly superior as a 5th round rook
I like McGraw’s attitude, but they don’t award extra points for hard work.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Jul 7, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess....
you didn’t see the playoff game!?!
by ONECHIEFan on Jul 9, 2011 9:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd bet my left arm Croyle is a Chief next year.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter.
by craig in calgary on Jul 7, 2011 2:03 PM CDT reply actions
Chiefs can sign another veteran backup and be done with it.
Why? Who? So they can bring in a Seneca Wallace et al who is unfamiliar with the system.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter.
by craig in calgary on Jul 7, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone
Honestly….anyone. Someone with a little bit of familiarity with the offense and who isn’t a nut job. Not a joke: I would take Damon Huard over Croyle right now (and that’s not meant as an insult to Croyle).
by Joel Thorman on Jul 7, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
More specifically, I guess
I would want a veteran to compete with Palko in camp (yes, I keep forgetting about Palko). Whoever wins out is the backup in 2011, if that’s not Stanzi’s job.
Hell, I'll take Ole Man Huard over KCQB#7
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 7, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He could still light it up for one game. Maybe his head is ok now lol
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
WOW, does it ever get old bashing him ? It sure gets old reading about him getting bashed. HIV 2 HIV 2 Elway
by dbakerku on Jul 7, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
i created a username with hiv2hiv2elway last year
and got banned within the hour lulz
As is my main man Vinny Testeverde
Dude’s probably still benching 450.
You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.
Saw a testaverde Jersey yesterday
Respect
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
I've heard Todd Bouman might be available too...
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I think Croyle has gotten a bad rap
He’s played 2 games in 2 years. 1 vs Baltimore, not bad. 1 vs San Diego was terrible, but he did put up Casselesque numbers. I’m not saying he’s good, I’m not saying he’s better than Cassel, but he could be better than the unknown.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter.
by craig in calgary on Jul 7, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
If "the unknown" we pick up is worse than Croyle...
then we need a new GM. The guy we would pick up would have had to at least won 1 frigg’n game. Otherwise we wouldn’t pick him up.
Hypothetical:
We need a back -up… Croyle is out there on another team…. would you even consider entertaining the possibility of bringing Croyle on board? Zero wins and multiple injuries.
If you answer yes, you know nothing about football. That’s why I cannot imagine “the unknown” being worse.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 7, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
don't forget he missed a lot of preseason time too.
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Jul 8, 2011 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
You should follow through with that if he isn't.
Chiefs are on the up and up
by Chiefs1 on Jul 8, 2011 12:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mays walks only if
Micah Johnson didn’t develop much on our PS last year and the coaches don’t think Miller or Bailey can transition to SILB.
That was my point.
Mays isn’t a great SILB, but we have zero depth behind Belcher (who also has room for improvement) if Mays walks. I expect to see Mays in red and gold this year unless Johsnon has made big gains or Miller/Bailey can play SILB.
I think i see your point
but “Mays walks … if Micah Johnson didn’t develop much” is a misleading wording.
Gotta love a good pass rush.
The "only" was important
As in, “this will only happen if…”
I personally want Croyle more than Palko as our #2
as it stands nobody is more qualified, and people seriously underrate how much a solid #2 can help a team
BOOM!
Are you saying...
that Croyle is solid?? You have to be joking.
by sgcableguy on Jul 7, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I shold say holding the clipboard nobody available to us is more qualified
Croyle knows our offense inside and out and is a smart quarterback, he just sucks on the field. If there was a way we could hold on to Croyle for a year until Stanzi develops this ability that would be ideal.
BOOM!
lets just hope we dont have to get into a situation where we’re going to our #2 qb! Croyle is always solid in camp, it just doesnt translate to game day.
Yeah
Him holding a clipboard is not importatnt at all.
Same thing as the Vrabel argument. I dont care if ya know how to play the fing position. I want you to be able to play it if needed
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
by Big_Chief on Jul 7, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
apples and oranges comparing Vrabel and Croyle
the 2nd QB is watching coverages and tendencies of defensive players and giving the starter tips on how to exploit that. Why do you think teams put an emphasis on having a vet QB on the squad?
I don’t want Palko and certainly not Stanzi shouldering this burden. It’s not maddenm there’s more to it than on field performance
BOOM!
To be handled by coaches.
IF Cassel gets injured then what. Can he carry the clip board on the field. NO. Hes terrible, anyone of the vet qb’s that will be avalible cheap can carry a clipboard and maybe not be completly terrible when put under center
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
by Big_Chief on Jul 7, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's why we have Stanzi
Croyle holds the clip board Stanzi steps in if Cassel gets injured, it’s what I’ve BEEN saying
BOOM!
Any vet QB could do that
but we also need one that can step in and play at a high level if needed. My vote right now would be for Senecca Wallace (though I’m biased as an Iowa State fan). Matt Moore or Trent Edwards could also be good alternatives, though they might cost more. I also think we need to sign a UDFA QB to develop alongside Stanzi. Tolzien (Wisconsin) gets my vote there.
by Chiefs4Life on Jul 7, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
judging by his play
Im not sure Croyle knows the offense as well as you think he does
by slackator on Jul 7, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
right, because if someone is incapable of running the offense they certainly can't understand it
Why do you think the coaching staff has made it such a point to hold on to Croyle when vets like Marc Bulger, Jon Kitna, and Jeff Garcia have all been available at some point since this regime began
BOOM!
also this is the NFL
theres not a whole lot of differences in offenses. With the turnover and players the offenses are enough alike that it wont take long for a vet to pick it up. Its not like they would be going from a spread to the option, its one pro set to another with slightly different tendencies
OMG this is the NFL therefore there is MORE disparity in offense
complicated game plans, situational plays, that’s why stupid QB’s can’t make it in the league.
BOOM!
well Im not going to argue this with you
but I will say that I couldnt disagree more. Maybe Im wrong but I just dont see a whole lot of difference between GBs offense and Carolinas. Pro set with a few differences that can be picked up pretty quick by a vet
Croyle needs to wear this................
Providing COLOR commentary for Arrowhead Pride!
by LadyChief on Jul 7, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
fixed
as it stands nobody is more under qualified, and people seriously under rate how much a fragile #2 can hurt a team
by chiefsfan83 on Jul 7, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dude hasn't had an injury since like 2008
Plus “Injury prone” is the worst, laziest cliche in football history, right before “Any given Sunday” and “The right 53”
Happiness is a long walk with a putter.
by craig in calgary on Jul 7, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
luckily he hasnt seen the field much since 2008. I was a croyle believer once but you can only give the guy so many shots before its time to move on. I wish this wasnt a “weird” off season where we could get a better look and feel at stanzi. I had to cut ties with croyle under these present circumstances but shit, its gettin close to that time.
by chiefsfan83 on Jul 7, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude hasn't had a Win
as a starter so we are no worse off with Palko or Stanzi.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jul 7, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yawn.
He lost in 2008 with a horrible team. He’s played 2 games since then.
Everyone and their dog gives Cassel the benefit of the doubt in 2009 for having a shitty team around him, but not Croyle.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter.
by craig in calgary on Jul 7, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you seriosly defending Croyle
Did you not see him this past year? Not only is he fucking terrible, the team lost all confidence when he came into the game. Oh yeah cause he is fucking terrible
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
by Big_Chief on Jul 7, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
My defense goes as far as "He's not as bad as everyone thinks"...
I’m not advocating him for starter or anything.
He was terrible last year, but it was 1 game against the #1 defense in the NFL…he didn’t get to pad his stats against all the 20somethingth rated defenses in the NFL.
Week 1 vs San Diego Cassel was 10-22 for 68 yards
In the terrible Week 14 game vs San Diego, Croyle was 7 for 17 for 41 yards.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter.
by craig in calgary on Jul 7, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cassel did win games (admittedly, very few) in 2009
Croyle has not won a single game, has thrown more interceptions than touchdowns in his career, has compiled an overall QB rating of 67.8 (although his highest in a season was 90.6), and has had nearly as many injuries as TD passes. Other than not stinking up the joint in the Ravens game in 2009, I haven’t seen anything from Croyle that makes me think he has a chance of being good.
by Chiefs4Life on Jul 7, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
But see, he actually won a few games and stayed healthy
How’s about Croyle?
He performed at a higher level than Croyle on a crummy team. So, are people gonna talk about him differently? Uh… yeah…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Jul 7, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do believe Cassel WON a few games with the SHITTY team. Something Croyle never did
by dbakerku on Jul 7, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can you honestly and seriously say...
that you believe Croyle would have faired better than Cassel in 2010 with KC or 2008 with NE?
Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!
When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 7, 2011 5:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Huh?
When the hell did I say that?
Happiness is a long walk with a putter.
by craig in calgary on Jul 7, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
You want to give Croyle the "benefit of the doubt"
Here is your chance. If we call out Brodie for his proven extensive awfulness and injury-proneness (feel free to call it whatever you want, outcome stays the same) on a shitty team, yet give Cassel a pass for 2009, and you don’t think that is fair, you concurrently claim that Croyle would have fared just as well on those half decent teams Cassel had success with. Back up your opinion
Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!
When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 7, 2011 7:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Bla bla bla bla bla
Bla bla bla bla bla.
I never once said Croyle was as good or better than Cassel. So for the last time, please stop replying to my comments.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter.
by craig in calgary on Jul 7, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha
Yawn
Not surprised you couldn’t back up your opinion
Here’s something even more interesting:
he didn’t get to pad his stats against all the 20somethingth rated defenses in the NFL.
Highly doubtful you would claim the same thing of Philip Rivers, yet he played against all but 2 of the same defenses Cassel did, and the 2 differing teams SD played were rated lower in pass defense than the teams KC played.
We give Cassel the benefit of the doubt because he has proven he can be successful with a decent team around him, on top of winning 4 games and not missing substantial time with injury on practically the same crappy team that Croyle couldn’t stay win or stay healthy with the year before. True that Croyle hasn’t been given the chance on a decent team, but taking into account the team’s performance with Croyle under center in 2010 against SD pass defense (who “padded” their stats against the average of the 18th ranked passing offenses, by the way), it’s more than just what they individually did, it’s always been about the win/loss record of Croyle v. Cassel. Croyle hasn’t been able to find a way to win with ANY team he has been a part of; Cassel has. Benefit justified
Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!
When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 7, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thats because Cassel actually won
ought to show you how bad Croyle is if Cassel can win and people think he sucks but Croyle cant even manage 1 freaking win. How long are people going to let him live off that 1 Baltimore game?
Except last year in the preseason
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Hard to get injured
When your not on the field. 31-0 last time we saw him. That’s the last time I wanna see him on the field. Not a leader and not a good qb.
by KCinIL on Jul 7, 2011 5:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
To say that Croyle is not a leader is untrue and unwarranted.
Silly knock on the guy.
by bamachief5558 on Jul 8, 2011 2:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not untrue at all
Go back and look at the game. Go back and look at the week Peter to the game. All the players looked like they already lost. And when 1 team puts up 31 and you can’t even put up 3, no your not leader. Show me when hea been any kind of leader. Cuz he hasn’t. He doesn’t deserve a roster spot just cuz “he knows the offense”. Gimme a break
by KCinIL on Jul 8, 2011 8:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
OK first of all
the whole team sucked that day. It’s so easy to say it was Croyle’s fault, but the truth is we got dominated in every facet of the game.
I watched Croyle for a few years at Alabama, and I can tell you he’s a leader, along with many other strong qualities. Is he cut out to be an NFL QB? Probably not, and I’m not advocating even keeping him.
Knock him because he can’t avoid a sack to save his life. Or because he’s made of toothpicks. Leadership is a silly thing to try to knock him for.
by bamachief5558 on Jul 8, 2011 12:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Whatever you say bud
Same guy that thinks vy is a great qb. And watching him in college? You kidding me? I’m talking about NOW man NFL not some 4-5 fuckin years ago in bama. He’s not a good qb however you wanna argue fine you think he has leadership skills great, your the only 1. Agree to disagree.
by KCinIL on Jul 8, 2011 4:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
vy would make a great qb
if the special olympics had football
Croyle is a better option than Palko
but if we could sign a different veteran QB for roughly the same as we’d pay Croyle than we part ways with Croyle.
Are you saying...
You want to waste $2mil roster signing bonus on Croyle, just to hold a clipboard? I would rather spend that money on someone that produces on the field. 0 for 10 as a starter, nuf said
by Chiefsfanindonkeyland on Jul 8, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
i disagree with a couple of those
i think mays can be a serviceable backup, and castille is a decent checkdown option in the backfield
Eric Berry + Brandon Flowers = a pissed off Phillip Rivers
actually...
now that i look closer, castille can go. mays, however, proved in 2009 that he can be of service to this team
Eric Berry + Brandon Flowers = a pissed off Phillip Rivers
by fivehead on Jul 7, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's not like there aren't servicable backups in FA/UDFA
and mays has zero chance of being anything more. he should be replaced with someone who has SOME chance of eventually being a starter, or at least a really good backup.
Croyle needs to find a job...............
Providing COLOR commentary for Arrowhead Pride!
by LadyChief on Jul 7, 2011 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
love seeing this picture everytime...
it’s perfect.
by worc on Jul 7, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Croyles greatest moment
and he actually came away unhurt
Remember after the Viking preseason game a couple years ago?
Corey Mays was going to be a sure fire HOF’er.
Things sure change.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter.
by craig in calgary on Jul 7, 2011 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
Remember when Croyle was going to be the QBOTF?
Team Management and coaching staffs sure change
Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!
When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 7, 2011 5:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
I've watched Stanzi for the last 3 yrs.of his college career and I have complete confidence in him.
He has a better arm than most people give him credit for and he’s played in a pro-style offense his entire college career. So I have no problem with him being Matt’s back-up. The games faster, the terminology is different but it’s still the same offensive schemes. He’ll do just fine. Now Croyle .. I was rooting for him but have lost all faith that he can be an NFL QB. For a gun that I thought had a great arm he’s proven he’s not accurate and he can’t stand the pressure of an NFL game.
i think croyle has lost confidence in himself.
he could use a year or two in the ufl building that back up and getting some playing time.
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Jul 8, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Here is who i would take to training camp
NT Ron Edwards, DE Shaun Smith, WR Terrance Copper, C Casey Wiegmann, S Jon McGraw, CB Travis Daniels, LB Mike Vrabel, OT Ryan O’Callaghan, TE Leonard Pope,
However In order for the Chiefs to continue to grow their talent levels all but Smith and Edwards will need to be pushed into a reserved role.
by NFL season ticket holder on Jul 7, 2011 10:18 PM CDT reply actions
Give Curtis a chance
I disagree with Kevin Curtis. It’s not fair to expect a guy to come in and produce in a week – especially against a good team in the playoffs. He was only here because Haley was fed up w/Chambers. He’s been a good WR in his career. As for backup QB, I was really wanting Kerry Collins. Guess that won’t happen now.
In Todd We Trust!
Curtis did start his first week on the team
Maybe they feel confident he can play the slot, but I’d rather have Breaston, Moore, or Smith.
by Chiefs4Life on Jul 8, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
