With Kelly Gregg, What's Up With Chiefs, Aubrayo Franklin?
by Joel Thorman on Jul 30, 2011 9:05 AM CDT
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PrintSo you know the news by now as the Kansas City Chiefs have reportedly agreed to a one-year deal with former Baltimore Ravens NT Kelly Gregg. He's 34 years old so that, plus only the one-year deal, suggests this a short-term move for the Chiefs.
The other nose tackle folks wanted on the free agent market was former San Francisco 49ers NT Aubrayo Franklin. He's 30 years old coming off of one of his best seasons and is top nose tackle on the open market.
I was going back-and-forth with AP reader kcsno56 via email on this move.
I said I really liked the move because it gives the Chiefs a short-term fix while still giving rookie NT Jerrell Powe and current NT Anthony Toribio the chance to develop. We know the Chiefs like to develop through the draft so bringing in Gregg on a short-term deal still gives them the chance to do that. While I would certainly enjoy acquiring Franklin, he would be a little more expensive and could take the future away from Powe.
The flip-side of that argument from kcsno56: "I have a hard time thinking the Chiefs long term plans at possibly the most important position on defense are an undrafted guy and a 6th rounder." He wonders if Gregg turns out to be a defensive end in the Chiefs 3-4 defense as well as the backup plan at nose tackle. In that scenario, the Chiefs could still bring in Franklin as a long-term solution.
So what do we think? Does this signing spell the end of the Aubrayo Franklin talk in KC?
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Franklin isn't out
Gregg might not even make the team… They could pull in Franklin too and Gregg could end up getting cut. Never know.
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Kelly Gregg is a better NT than Ron Edwards
He’ll make the team
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Signing Gregg first brings leverage to the talks with Franklin
Add in the fact there is absolutely NO smoke signals concerning Aubrayo on the net AND the Niners have already told his back-up he’s the new starting NT in SF… which should at least irk Franklin if not out right tick him off… this whole thing could be turning into a perfect storm for KC to not only get Franklln, but to get him for a reasonable contract. You’d think he’d want out of SF no matter what now.
tough call
My gut feeling is that this ends the Franklin pursuit… but, I hope I am wrong.
Then again, if they sign McClain and an OT or ILB… then, I still think it’s a good haul
by stagdsp on Jul 30, 2011 9:08 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
With Stag on this
Franklin’s out for now. Chiefs may take a chance on another lesser name NT (ala Toribio last year), but don’t see them pursuing Franklin.
If Gregg busts at training camp, look for a trade before the beginning of the season. Still, can’t see that happening. Chiefs try out Gregg this year — if he proves himself, he comes back again next year for the rotation. This is a low risk strategy in a shortened off-season…
I mean really, how good of shape do we really know these guys are in? No OTA, no practice. Relying on guys to get themselves in shape. I think I’d go with a seasoned vet on this too…
One-year Contracts
Personally, I expect to see alot of single year contracts this season. It’s really hard for the GMs to know what they’re getting…
Think you're right
I also think the Chiefs pick up Ty Warren to add to the rotation. McClain, an OT, and ILB would make me feel better about passing on the over-priced Franklin.
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im keeping a eye on Pat Williams and Gabe Watson who are cheaper options. Aubrayo Franklin might not be a chief. Ty Warren will probably be a Chief too.
Has Ty Warren ever played NT? I'm curious
by Tipzz on Jul 30, 2011 9:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I definitely see Ty Warren taking Shaun Smith's role
A player Pioli drafted and probably loves. If he agrees to a rotational type situation it makes too much sense.
We all loved Smith, but let’s not forget he was out of the league briefly before resurrecting his career and that guy beat out T-Jax (the future?) for most of his PT. So now we are just supposed to believe T-Jax is all of the sudden ready for a full time role?
Of course all this hinges on Warren’s hip being healthy.
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Smith didn't beat out T-Jax.
T-Jax was the starter before he got injured fairly badly. Not sure if he ever recovered fully (at least conditioning-wise), and Smith had played well enough to keep playing.
I should have been more clear
However, unless that injury was much worse than we knew, Jackson could never take the job back Smith all year. My point was that no matter what, I have a hard time believing they are going to put all their eggs in the T-Jax basket.
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Not all their eggs.
But I don’t think there’s any question he’s entrenched as the starter, at least for now.
Do you mean simply because Smith is gone?
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by chief Stevie_k on Jul 30, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see a roster spot
With TJax, Dorsey, Bailey, Gilberry, plus Gregg’s ability to swing out to DE.
Plus Dion Gales and the UDFA guys. Warren doesn’t seem like a Chiefs fit. I’d bet Jets.
Or Cowboys who are switching to a 2gap 3-4 and need some experience on the line
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 30, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Someone (Peter King?)
Said Warren would sign for the minimum to a contender. I’m not a Cowboys believer.
Pitt might be another option.
Hopefully not the Chargers
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 30, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking Houston...
and now with Franklin out of the running for us I could see the Cowboys signing him and trading Ratliff to Houston since they are switching to a two gap scheme.
by Crown Chief on Jul 30, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
The roster spot was vacated by Smith leaving
We were supposedly trying to re-sign him, which would mean there is an open spot if the player and money are right.
All that said, he may not view us as a contender.
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I'm excited we finally acquired a NT in Free Agency
But idk if I can say I’m Thrilled that it’s Kelly Gregg, I hope he turns out being a steal. But I have this gut feeling Powe ends up starting the last part of the season & until we know that Powe is the answer this Talk of Nose Tackle will not end
by Tipzz on Jul 30, 2011 9:12 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
In a truly Pioli type move
He signs both leaving the whole community stunned.
by RamX21 on Jul 30, 2011 9:12 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Scott Pioli is trying to corner the NT market?
by JinxAllessio on Jul 30, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
He saw how strong D-Lines
dismantled us the last 2 games of the year
by RamX21 on Jul 30, 2011 9:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
waters and weg's were getting killed in the Oakland and Ravens games
Important still having nightmares
by CHIEFFAN82 on Jul 30, 2011 9:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No matter what
It is becoming more clear that Franklin may not get the money and playing time he thinks he deserves at this point.
What other teams have a starting NT need still?
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You know, this could also be a way to get Franklin to come down
If his stock starts to drop and suitors are filling the position, he might drop his price tag. Its a risk but maybe Pioli sees it.
by Tyran on Jul 30, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't be surprised either way
I can see us signing someone like Gregg to come in and teach as well as add some versitility. I can also see us still signing Franklin because I really can’t argue with kcsno56 stating he’s unsure we really have the future in a 6th rounder and undrafted guy.
Time will tell. I just hope we get Carr and Hali their paydays before we’re finished.
It makes us less desperate with more leverage if nothing else
If we are still in the market for a NT then whomever else we negotiate with the price tag goes down in my opinion
by paulredfish on Jul 30, 2011 9:15 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Teams never have leverage in the NT market
mainly because of the high demand for 3-4 NT’s.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
if you're actually willing to walk away, then you have leverage
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
But there half a dozen other teams that are always looking for a 3-4 NT
Teams have leverage at other positions, but good true NT are so hard to find.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Hope we're still in it to get Franklin
I may come around to it later but I’m not so hot on the Gregg signing. It just feels like a “settling” move to me, but I could be wrong.
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by KC_Chong on Jul 30, 2011 9:16 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Gregg or Franklin...
They are the same types. Gregg is a bit older, but more consistent. Why spend the money on a name. They both stuff the run and are just ok pass rushers. No indication the Gregg has succumb to age at this point. We have some good guy to develop. That sixth round choice was once considered a sure first rounder…
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I agree
If we hadn’t all been thinking Franklin, no one would be questioning this signing. Almost all B-More bloggers thought the Ravens wanted him back…
“Baltimore is looking to resign Gregg to a smaller contract, which would be a very good move. While Gregg isn’t as productive as he once was, he’s still a very deceptively athletic nose guard with a knack for making plays. Gregg is one of the most productive nose guards of the last decade when it comes to tackling and if he gets a new deal he would definitely still have a big role on the team.”
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I could see us bringing in Pat Williams too
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by groundedchevy on Jul 30, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Didn't I read somewhere we need 90 guys at camp?
If so, how many do we actually have in camp now that its underway? Would this be a gauge to see how many other people we could potentially sign?
From a Ravens fan I will say you got a very good player in Gregg. He is older now, but this guy might have the best technique of any NT in the league and really knows how to use leverage. His knowledge and understanding of the game will be invaluable to your young lineman. Like some of you mentioned he’s not a long term solution, but I have no doubt that he will find his way into the rotation or possibly start for you guys this year. Great locker room guy and he is definitely a guy who will really be missed in Baltimore.Good luck this season.
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by AV23 on Jul 30, 2011 9:19 AM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Thanks!
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 30, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks man
Classy comment, bet of luck to you guys! Thanks for setting the record straight about Gregg.
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Great comment...
And I gotta say “you” fans at the playoff game were pretty classy. That and surprised how many Raven fans showed up to the best stadium in the NFL.
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This is a calculated move by Pioli,
Imagine the combined salaries of the D-Line if they did sign Franklin. They’ll instead give Powe another year to “get-used to” and learn the NFL. Gregg is a solid player that will be an instant upgrade, with a far cheaper price. Now get an OT, and we’ll be a much improved team, that can compete.
I will love this move
if Gregg is here to rotate and NT and/or DE and we still pursue Franklin to become nose.
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 30, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
That hurts nate
It hurts deep
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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Ewww
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 30, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
No it doesn't
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 30, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Franklin is out...never was in our plans
Signing top FAs isn’t what we do. We sign the mid tier guys for a lower cost in hopes of getting similar production to the top guys. It’s who we are. Time to own it.
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by KC_Satchmo on Jul 30, 2011 9:30 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I have to think
that the market is now pretty small for Franklin and we still have more of a need for a NT than a lot of 3-4 teams. If he’ll come for under $6 mil a year over 4 or less years I think Pioli does it. I dont believe that Pioli is predictable enough that he wont do something just bc he hasnt in the past
Cling to Fanklin dreams if you must
But we’re going with Gregg, Powe and Toribio
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And I personally am very comfortable with that
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I am too
not saying it’s a bad thing at all. Just a tad exasperated that we’re still talking Franklin when we have so many other needs still to fill.
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I agree
It’s not like I’d be mad if we still signed him. I’m always in favor of more beef.
But MY focus is now turned to perhaps upgrading SILB, RT, FB, and depth. And to be honest, none of those feel like huge needs to me.
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Does this possibly mean
that Pioli is looking at a more proven LB? What is going on in Det with Tulloch btw? He would be a nice fit and I think that that would still leave enough $ for Tamba, Carr, etc.
I see SILB as our weakest position at this point
Other than perhaps 2nd RB (sorry TJ) and RT.
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I wouldn't say RTso much
as OT depth in general. Richardson could certainly be upgraded, but lots of successful lines over the years have been weak at RT. It’s the easiest flaw to hide with appropriate scheme.
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I wish I knew what the Tulloch situation is
I don’t have high hopes for signing him. But he’s a perfect fit for us. He may be too expensive for our tastes tho…
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hes a 4-3 ILB
does that matter?
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by Mas Cervezas on Jul 30, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope
Dorsey is a 4-3 DT. Does that matter?
Tulloch has managed to succeed in what is really not his optimal scheme. Which is a great sign. His optimal position is 34 SILB.
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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
SILB is a huge need
We don’t have one on the roster. Belcher isn’t one…he just plays one on tv. It’s not Belcher’s fault. I like the guy…he has some upside. Just not at SILB.
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Oh, and
extending our own guys’ deals
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This
is bar far my top priority. Gregg and Breatson are good adds. But they’re meaningless if we don’t lock up Flowers and Hali.
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Yup
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Think of all the babies in San Diego that are about to get punched!
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 30, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
what I’ve been saying. I’ve wanted KG all week. The guys on NFL radio are gaga over him. They said whoever wins the KG sweepstakes wins the NT sweepstakes. Consistent, proven over a longer period of time. I love this signing: It’s the reason I logged on today just hoping this is what I would find.
I really didn't care which one we got
Both Franklin and Gregg have positives and negatives. Point was we needed an upgrade at NT. We got one. Now on to the next hole needing an upgrade.
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would you go LB or OT?
Im sure the FB is a foregone conclusion
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by Mas Cervezas on Jul 30, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
SILB is by far the biggest remaining need
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I'd argue that...
a power back is what we need the most right now. We were horrible on 3rd and short. I’d rather get a guy that can move the chains than a SILB right now. Although I think we can land both. McClain and a for SILB I see Crowder and Cooper as possibilities. Need depth at OT too so they will probably bring it Kaczur from New England.
by Crown Chief on Jul 30, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
this ^
This def takes Franklin out of the equation. Gregg makes more sense if you look at it…not only is he the short term stop-itioigap veteran for Powe to learn from, he’s cheaper and he can play any dline position…
and the Chiefs put the HAMMER DOWN!!!!
by reedeasy on Jul 30, 2011 9:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I do like his versitility for sure
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so does the regime
and the Chiefs put the HAMMER DOWN!!!!
by reedeasy on Jul 30, 2011 9:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They do love that versitility don't they
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We really need two solid NTs if we're going to play a lot of 3-4
Romeo always changes up, but I could see where we would still go get Franklin and it would be a battle between Gregg, Toribio and Powe for the second spot. I’m not sure how the Chiefs feel about Toribio since he played so little last year. We could quite likely end camp with an entirely new NT rotation.
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We may not be done with D-Line. Keep in mind....
Ravens carried 8 DLinemen on 53 man roster. We have lost 2 biggun’s and as of yet we have added one back. If we start Dorsey, Gregg, T-Jax and have Gilberry as end to flex as 3-4 End in pass rush situations and when using 4-3. We also have Rookies Bailey, Powe and backup Toribio. Adding one more fatty would not be out of the question.
However , I am now concerned with the O-Line. If we are going to fully utilize the new Offensive weapons we need to be able to pass block better without keeping half the arsenal " home" to help out the Right O-Tackle.
We also need a RB to compliment JC. I would like to see someone take more of the role TJ has had but be more of a bruiser and also able to excell at pass blocking and Run blocking. McClain would be nice fit. JC can have half the carries with Dex to back him up and get 4-5 carries and 4-5 passes a game. Split the other carries between a FB/RB like McClain and TJ.
Last but not least we need to add an up grade to LB. IMO we need to improve SILB. A few guys are available as FA and still a few UDFA’s. Get back to worl Pioli your job ain’t done yet.
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We aren't done at NT...
Signing Gregg first. Could curb the market price on Franklin for us. As we aren’t quite as desperate for a body. Now, you have to imagine the Chiefs would still like to find another valuable/starter type NT out there. If it’s Franklin I’m going to do backflips. If it’s another similar player to Gregg, we should all be happy with the upgrade.
OL please
by KCLonghorn on Jul 30, 2011 9:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think people are forgetting
how good Powe was in his junior year of college when he played a similar technique to the one he’ll play here. If I’m not mistaken, he was projected as at least a second round pick until his senior year dropoff where he played a different technique.
I think our staff sees more potential in Powe than most others do, and it concerned them to sign another long term option if they already have one in Powe down the line. I think they’re betting on Gregg handling the majority this year and Powe being ready next year.
by old_school on Jul 30, 2011 9:38 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I wish I could green this myself
People become obsessed with draft position. Bottom line is he was poorly coached his last year and asked to play a totally wrong role.
When he was asked to be a 2 gap run stuffer he was the absolute best in the country.
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The hesitation on Powe isn't his fraft position exactly
It’s that he has issues that caused him to fall. Draft picks are a crap shoot as it is and your odds decrease with guys like Powe who have had issues. I do like Powe and I trust Romeo completely. I’d say Powe has a much better chance than other guys in his situation. But it’s still just a chance….you don’t bet the future on it.
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by KC_Satchmo on Jul 30, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The issues that caused him to fall
play right into our hands. Just as MNchiefsfan said, when he was a 2 gap run stuffer, he was the best at it. He fell because he was asked to do something completely different.
He fell because he didn't produce despite being more physically gifted
than the players he was competing against. There are work ethic concerns and production concerns. If the whole problem was the system, he would not have fallen the way he did.
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If that's the case
then Pioli gets Franklin no matter what it takes. He could still get Franklin and I could be wrong, but to me there is no other way to explain this lack of commitment to the interior DL.
Huge leap in logic
to think that because Powe may fail that Pioli will surely break the bank to get the player you like.
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He didn't produce when asked to be a gap shooter
A horrible, horrible, horrible scheme for him. It’d be like if Peyton Hillis didn’t produce as a scatback. Would you judge his ability to pound the rock based on that?
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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
There are no work ethic concerns at all
He is known and has the reputation as one of the hardest working guys around. Where did you come up with the bad work ethic thing?
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It usually means the 1 is wrong.
Not saying that’s the case here, but we shouldn’t simply get our hopes up over a guy that hasn’t played a single down in the NFL, and expect him to be our savior either. All of those other guys who passed on him were professional coaches and GMs as well.
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by citadelchief on Jul 30, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't care how good a guy was in college
this is the NFL we’re talking about. Most D lineman struggle the first couple of years, with VERY few exceptions. You can’t plan on a rookie, especially one outside the first half of the first round coming in and anchoring a position right out of college when you’re talking about the D line.
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That's what Gregg is for
Gregg is the guy this year and the subs can rotate in and keep him fresh. Call me crazy, but I say Powe is starting by next year and doing a good job at it. If Pioli goes out and gets Franklin, I’m wrong. But if they do nothing further for NT, that’s gotta be what they’re thinking.
Well, this is the guy I hoped they signed...
until we lost Shaun Smith. Now I’m still feeling like we don’t have enough presence in the middle. Franklin may be too much at this point though…so maybe Ty Warren?
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Depends on his health status.
If healthy he’s a great fit.
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Gregg or Warren?
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by citadelchief on Jul 30, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Warren
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Reports are that his recovery from his season ending hip surgery
aren’t going well
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Hadn't seen that.
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by citadelchief on Jul 30, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Ill say this.. Atleast we are not blowing all our money on pipedreams...
only 2 teams make it to the Superbowl.. it seems like a lot of Teams are going all in.. on an odd year .. with a lockout that killed the offseason prep time.
Pioli is sticking to his plan, keeping it mostly inhouse home grown players and adding solid FA that make the team better..not sexy like the whole Asamaogh sweepstakes.. and end up broke..
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Its like a dog chasing its tail,,,
I think the excitment of Free Agency has gotten to alot of people. It was said best by the Hating QB Drew Brees :
“you have teas like Kansas City that spend less than 60% of the Salary cap..we are trying to get money in players pockets..”
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by Mas Cervezas on Jul 30, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
and where did we end up with us using that money
back to the playoffs.. we have good chemistry, players and establishment of our core.. we are good
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by Mas Cervezas on Jul 30, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup
The NFLPA would have us paying bad players good money just for the sake of spending money. I don’t blame them. But as far as building a team goes…it’s irrelevant. Good thing we don’t have to worry about it until 2013.
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and by then the rookies we have now
that are good will get thier contract extensions..
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by Mas Cervezas on Jul 30, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
yup
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NFL should go to full-on union communism
and pay every player the same amount regardless of merit. I wonder how Brees would like that plan.
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All right
We had 6 months of this talk, let’s talk about football now. I never want to hear the words “union” or “decertify” again in a football blog.
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I'd like to decertify a virgin by having a union with her.
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He wasn't hating, he was right.
That team he was speaking about was the 2009 team who were absolutely terrible. Last year we were a better team no doubt about it but we saw once the playoff started how the Chiefs were still far away from playing with the big boys. I have no problem whith what Brees said and as a fan we shouldn’t want our administratin spending 60% of the salary cap.
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Last year was great but agree I think we "outperformed".
Our money is going to come up quick now with securing our own guys.
BTW, somewhere late last year I saw a salary chart and the Pats were only one slot above us. And, only 2 of the playoff teams were in the top half of pay. Something like that anyway. Quite a number of playoff teams were low salary down with us. An indicator of age of your team.
I just take offense at being accused of being a cheap team. I’ve said it a number of times here but when Carl was running the show we were often up against the cap, in my recollection. And, what did that get us?
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
I gotta disagree
We played with Baltimore in the first half. If Charles doesn’t fumble that ball, we’re going in. I’m not saying we’re better, because we got crushed in the second half. But I think it was because we had no second WR and we couldn’t cover a TE. We fixed the first problem, and the second still needs addressing. This team can definitely play with the best.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
I dunno...
Baltimore was much MUCH more physical.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Ask desean Jackson
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Jul 30, 2011 10:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of DeSean Jackson
Anyone see/hear NFL Total access with Rich Eisen and Michael Irvin fighting? Irvin was loco.
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I would say Passionate...
if you can get past the “crazy” Irvin had some really great points, like the difference between brilliant and smart.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I missed this episode
but I agree about Irvin. I hated him as a player – he was with Dallas after all and seemed like a diva dick type.
But, I generally like him on NFLN and seems very intelligent and well spoken aside from his act.
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I've already seen it twice today... They just keep playing it.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
He usually is very well spoken.
He was borderline screaming.
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
that gets old quick. Irvin seems to have more respect for top flight coaches than other players. I read an “Player X” piece in ESPN the mag and some faceless/nameless player basically said that if a team wins its because of the players and that coaches shouldn’t get so much credit. The intelligence level of the average football player is appalling sometimes.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
he should ask Chiefs players
that were here for both Herm and Todd regimes. Oops, didn’t mean to open that can of worms.
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I still think Herm was hamstrung with a roster of incompetent players.
I’d LOVE to see him in the college ranks.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Really though...
Think about it without bias… He has all the traits of a good college coach… You know he would be a dominant recruiter. And Pete Carrol ran the most generic formations and schemes and won with talent alone.
The similarities between Herm and Pete are pretty startling
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Herm
My deal with Herm is that I knew he was a huge mistake BEFORE we got him. Jets fans hated him. Carl only looked at him because they were buddies. Carl didn’t attempt to look around and actually qualify any coaches for the position. He had eyes only for his little buddy, didn’t care if he had the qualities and talents for the job, didn’t care that his offensive philosophies were from the 1930s and wouldn’t work now, and TRADED A DAMN DRAFT PICK FOR HIM. So, the team and fans suffered by having one less player that we could have drafted, by getting an incompetent coach who was clueless and not qualified, and by an arrogant GM that then wouldn’t listen to the one good thing his buddy coach wanted to do – get younger.
Other than that it worked out fine. Talent scout, ok, I might agree.
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I just think some of the hate on Herm is misplaced.
Herm’s good buddy Carl really fucked him.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
The worst part...
He could sit out and Andy Reid would figure a way to win 10 games with Betty White starting for him
Franklin WILL NOT happen, and this is why...
Listen, acquiring Franklin is simply not going to happen! The media and consequently, the fans, get so set on “the top free agent at his position” that before long the player takes on a reputation of his own. The TRUTH is Franklin did NOT have a fabulous year last season. His best year was 2009. Last year he was heavily criticized for not keeping blockers off of Patrick Willis, limiting his effectiveness. Secondly, from a size and style standpoint, he is the same player as Anthony Toribio whom we got for nothing last year. Why would the Chiefs overpay for a player they already have on the cheap? Like Joel mentions in this post, the Chiefs want to develop the guys they already have and are willing to take on a vet for a couple of years to help along that development process. Toribio and Powe have the opportunity to learn from a NT with great technique and big game experience, in Gregg. This is a good buy for the Chiefs. Let someone else overpay for Franklin. Cue Keitzman and Petro and all the others whining about not getting Franklin. Ridiculous!
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Size and style does not equate to skill or effectiveness
There was a reason we got Toribio for nothing and there’s also a reason why Franklin would cost so much. Toribio could develop into that guy, but right now they’re not even in the same boat.
Sigs are overrated.
by KC_Chong on Jul 30, 2011 10:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
There are a bunch of
6’6’’ 200lb basketball players, so they all must be as good as MJ by your thinking, right?
Oh and Willis said
That he prayed to god that they keep Franklin, doesn’t sound like he was doing too bad a job at keeping blockers off of him and also being the front man of the #6 run defense. Come on now, I understand you wanna defend this signing but it’s clear that Franklin is a better player
No doubt Franklin is better...
but how many times do these guys get paid only to take their foot off the gas. Happens all the damn time. This is why I’m glad Pioli is the GM and not the fans. We get all crazy and trigger happy with these guys not thinking about long term implications. You look at the owners/GMs who exhibit this trait in Snyder, Jones, and Davis and see that it all eventually leads to dysfunction. Roy Williams, Albert Hayneswoth, and pretty much anyone Al trades or signs for. I mean the Raiders might lose one of the leagues best young TEs because they traded for an average pass rusher in Wimbly and had a clause saying they had to franchise him. Good stop gaps, player development, and using the cash reserves to re-sign key guys are the way to go.
by Crown Chief on Jul 30, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying there wasn't a good reason
They didn’t/haven’t yet sign him. Could be money, could be work ethic, even though that was never an issue with him. I trust what Pioli is doing. I also figure that’s why he gave a 1 year contract to Gregg, keeps them working hard. I’d just like to sign a guy so we don’t have to worry about NT for the next 4-5 years
Lame.
I don’t like this move in a vaccum, but I’ll wait to see how the whole offseason looks as a whole when the season starts. I don’t know why the Chiefs are pissing around with the NT position, all the best 34’s have an absolute beast in the middle and we now have a 34 year old and a rookie sharing snaps.
Oh well, better than no one I guess.
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions
I hear ya Craig
Alhough he’s still an upgrade over Edwards. I still see us signing Franklin and using Gregg like we used Smith this year. A jack of all trades type. In that case this would be a great move.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
You mean
Better than Edwards, Williams, Mebane, or any other NT we could’ve signed except Franklin.
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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't as sexy as we all hoped but it's a solid move if we got him for a good price
I think we backed out of the McClain sweepstakes as well.. But if the FO is confident in Powe I’m cool with it, I’d love to see Torbio show up big time this year, buuuuut it seems unlikely
BOOM!
maybe Gregg=Smith
And Franklin=Edwards
Pioli likes stockpiling on the DL… as does hoodie…
Also, even if Gregg is it… remember Romeo gets a lot out of older, lower profile DTs
by stagdsp on Jul 30, 2011 10:25 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
This is my thoughts as well...
Gregg also is a Pioli connection.. So it makes sense. I just don’t want Franklin going to Denver… And I think that’s what Pioli was pissed about.
Ty Warren is another Pioli guy… Expect to see him get a work out from the Chiefs.
Go Chiefs!!!!
This
A more likely scenario:
Gregg=Edwards
Warren = Smith
Or an even more likely scenario:
Gregg = Edwards
Allen Bailey = Smith
You can never have enough D-Line Depth
And we saw from last year that the starting 3 weren’t always on the field at the same time, you can rotate those guys quite a bit… And should anybody get hurt, just about any of these guys could play any of the positions in a time of desperation.
I think we still may get Franklin.
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yesterday
Dorsey answered a question that “yes, he could and would play inside if asked”. “I’ll do whatever they want me to.” He thought it would be no big deal and they already do that with subpackages all the time.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Watch a NE or Baltimore game
The positions in the program are almost irrelevant. Who starts, who subs in, who is DE or NT is impossible to ascertain while watching a game. I agree, we still could get Franklin and I hope we do.
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
they definitely have an embarrassment of riches on DL
would be nice to have
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Im already having nightmares about what the Patriots could do with
Wilfork and Haynesowrth. They could run 2 man D’ Lines with 5 linebackers blitzing from anywhere on the field. Wilfork and Haynesworth both commanding double teams
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I 100% agree
It is funny though. Hoodie signs Haynsworth he’s “BRILLIANT”. If Oakland would have we would still be laughing
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
If Oakland had done it
it would have been destined to fail.
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I'm not so sure...
…the Seymour deal definitely helped the Faiders
by TheFifthDimension29 on Jul 30, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
No one ever questioned Seymour's dedication and work eithic
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Did it?
I don’t remember them making the playoffs since making that deal. For a team that isn’t ready to contend, 1st round picks are pretty valuable.
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He definitely made them better though
but they paid way too much for him.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
The point isn't that he did or didn't play well
He’s a good player. Good players play well. The point is that by the time that team is ready to contend…which is roughly never if they don’t get a real QB…Seymore will be long gone. That draft pick would have served them much better.
Cue “The Faiders can’t draft!!” comments
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And I absolutely agree with that.
But I do buy into the idea that you need some sort of veteran leadership on a football team… Much more so than with baseball.
But then again they could have signed a veteran leader without giving up what they gave up… The Raiders problem starts at the top.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I said "helped"...
I didn’t say it was a good long term move. And Seymour wouldn’t report to the Raiders camp after the trade. So I have to say his dedication was in question….
by TheFifthDimension29 on Jul 30, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
The point was that Haynesworth....
…going to the Raiders would’ve been a failure. I wouldn’t say that is a certainty.
by TheFifthDimension29 on Jul 30, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah kind of...
But more than likely the Raiders couldn’t have gotten him for a 5th round pick. And since he has already been paid the bulk of his ridiculous contract, and relative low deal for him there is very little risk involved
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure the value of the trade would have been the same
but the dysfunctional environment makes Albert being Albert far more likely than in NE.
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Well... They do have Seymour though.
That helps, but yeah the problem starts at the top.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd still be laughing if Washington did it too.
But yeah, it is brilliant for the Patriots, because they know how to deal with guys like that, and it’s low risk high reward for them.
That and players know if they burn a bridge in NE and cant perform there
then they are going to be less valuable elsewhere… there is a big difference between players leaving NE in via Free Agency and players getting cut. I can’t think of a single guy the Patriots have cut that worked out elsewhere
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Good point.
Players know that it’s all downhill from there. Either buy in or watch your career sink.
Where hasn't he worked would shorten the list.
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
ok guys, I should'nt have to use the sarcasm font for every one of my posts
…and yeah, I see that I mis-spelled “shouldn’t” up there but I’m not going to fix it. I might have misspelled mis-spelled also, don’t know.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
They didn't cut him
And he was pretty awful when he left NE, and he hasn’t been signed yet so who knows
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Past history speaks volumes
There is no real evidence that oakland has ever taken a malcontent and got quality production from him. New England has plenty of evidence. Good chance it succeeds in NE. Not so much in Oakland
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 30, 2011 10:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
There is evidence of turnig bad guys into good producers in Oakland
It just hasn’t happened since the freaking 70s and the Faiders haven’t figured out that they aren’t good at it anymore.
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
When was Gannon ever a bad guy?
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only in the old days
when they had a whole team of malcontents and bullies. But, I don’t think unruly BS like that can work anymore in today’s professional environment that depends on outstanding athletes, precision, and discipline.
The old raiders are like old time hockey where “fighting teams” could succeed.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Don't forget what Baltimore has done with it's big guys.
They have often had two fatties in rotation at same time who both could command a double team. At one time they had 8 D-linemen and half averaged over 320 lbs.
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Maybe I'm like alot of you..
..because I can say I don’t know much about Kelley Gregg, but if he is a starter for the ravens defense then he will be a great addition to KC
by YerganFlurgan on Jul 30, 2011 10:27 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Is the Powe that you guys ate talking about...
The same Powe that was just drafted and has yet to play a down in the NFL and is probably going to struggle at best for 2-3 years?? Oh ok…yeah I remember him well. I simply don’t want to rely solely on Gregg to play every snap. With Powe/Toribo as our only other guys at NT.
Rookie nose tackles struggle. I think we need more help at NT. That’s my point. (btw I think we got a steal in Powe in the 6th. Just don’t want to rely on him NOW, if we can sign another Vet while he develops.
by KCLonghorn on Jul 30, 2011 10:31 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Agree
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
People are banking way too much on a 6th round kid
Look at Dorsey, he was drafted #5 overall and it took him three years to become a very good player. Even if Powe is good, it’ll take time.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
Is the Powe that you guys are talking about...
The same Powe that was just drafted and has yet to play a down in the NFL and is probably going to struggle at best for 2-3 years?? Oh ok…yeah I remember him well. I simply don’t want to rely solely on Gregg to play every snap. With Powe/Toribo as our only other guys at NT.
Rookie nose tackles struggle. I think we need more help at NT. That’s my point. (btw I think we got a steal in Powe in the 6th. Just don’t want to rely on him NOW, if we can sign another Vet while he develops.
by KCLonghorn on Jul 30, 2011 10:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Agree
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Is the Powe that you guys are talking about...
The same Powe that was just drafted and has yet to play a down in the NFL and is probably going to struggle at best for 2-3 years?? Oh ok…yeah I remember him well. I simply don’t want to rely solely on Gregg to play every snap. With Powe/Toribo as our only other guys at NT.
Rookie nose tackles struggle. I think we need more help at NT. That’s my point. (btw I think we got a steal in Powe in the 6th. Just don’t want to rely on him NOW, if we can sign another Vet while he develops.
Disagree
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of mobile commenting (Kind of)
Does anyone use one of the various tablets on the market? Is it mobile commenting, or do you get access to the full site?
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I would imagine the Android based stuff does.
Because I use the full site with my Android phone. I hate mobile sites.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
The galaxy s I have does both...
So I imagine the Tab is the same way…
Go Chiefs!!!!
By same I mean like the iPad
Has the full site.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Full site on the iPad
That’s what I’m on right now…
Go Chiefs!!!!
No problem with this site...
YouTube stuff isnt smooth, but there is a built in app for that…
I bought this for size, and GIS stuff for my time in Jordan. I use it as much as my laptop.. And bring it to school full time
Go Chiefs!!!!
Yup except for some of the autocorrects...
Plus you can always add a keyboard if you so like. I have gotten to the point where my hands move the screen back and forth with my thumbs that it isn’t necessary for a keyboard at all.
Also this is the iPad 2… Might have a different feel with the first gen.
Go Chiefs!!!!
If NT is such an important position in the 3-4...
…why not sign a proven upper tier player instead of “developing” one that, at best, will “develop” into said upper tier player?
by TheFifthDimension29 on Jul 30, 2011 10:41 AM CDT reply actions
My only hope it isn't a money issue
Because getting Player A instead of Player B when player A is cheaper and player B is better, is cheap. If it’s part of a plan, or Gregg fits better, I’m fine with it.
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Because it isn't nearly as important
as people on this site would have you believe.
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Show me a site that tells me NT isn't important to the 34 front.
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Last time I checked NFL coaches don't blog
I am sure I can find media outlets who say things on both side. That doesn’t make it freaking true. All positions are important. But some are more important than others. In a 34 the heirarchy is DE>OLB>CB>NT>ILB>S. And players at those positions are generally paid according. There really isn’t any debating it. The NT pay scale is pushed up slightly by their relative scarcity, but it does not change the value of their onfield contributions.
I could go into great detail about WHY the above is true. But what would be the point. NT is GOD has become gospel here so nobody would listen anyway.
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I have no idea how a CB has anything to do with a 34
Do the back 4 really change what they do from a 34 to a 43?
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
No
But CB is a position in the 34 and does have a relative value. It’s value is less than OLB but greater than NT.
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3-4 defenses tend to be a little more blitz happy...
so that leaves their CB’s on an island a little more often
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
There are differences sure
but for the purpose of his question, they play the same role.
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I'm in the "CB's" are a little overrated camp
Pittsburgh is the model defense with a rediculous front 7, Troy P and scrub DB’s. Ike Taylor is a nice DB but we definetly have a better secondary than Pitts does but their defense is much more terrifying because of their front.
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree for the most part...
I think Good to Great CB’s are overrated, but the guys like Revis, Nnamdi, and Deion in their prime really change the way an offense can attack the field. But those guys are so rare. I don’t even think Champ in his prime was as good as those guys.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
And this is the mistake people generally make
Because you can find an example of a successful 34 team with mediocre CBs does not change their value. Pitt surrounds those CBs with star plaers at several other positions. The quality of the player is always more important than the importance of the position.
It’s the same reason we took Berry despite being a safety. It’s the same kind of thinking that leads to “Nt is our weakest position and our D isn’t great, therefore NT is the most important position.”
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New England won a Superbowl with Troy Brown playing cornerback and a dominant front 7
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
So what is your point?
IS it that CBs are less valuable than NT? Fine…whatever. It’s not true, but the relative value is close enough that I won’t bother to argue. The point is that it is gospel around here that NT is THE MOST IMPORTANT!!! And the truth is that it’s value is realy midling compared to DE and OLB (where your pass rush is generated from)
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You have an opinion. I have an opinion.
I’m not getting off mine, you aren’t getting off yours.
I’ll drop it.
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
regardless...
You are both wrong
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
One player does a defense make...
22 Wilforks, or 22 Revises don’t make a team… Skillet, and confidence in the team is what makes a defense solid. Troy P builds confidence in the secondary from his CB’s. Wilfork builds confidence in the line. It’s the fine tuned engine of the secondary and front line working in unison that makes the defense solid.
Both a solid player in the secondary and a dominate NT are important for success. It’s not an either or proposition.(not saying that you are, just stating an opinion)
Go Chiefs!!!!
Also elite CB's tend to be some of the most overpaid position
and Pittsburgh rarely overpays at any position.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he just means the CB is that valuable in any defense
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I am now confused
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Name the top 3-4 defenses...
…and you start naming the best NTs in the game. So I would say it is rather important.
by TheFifthDimension29 on Jul 30, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Name the top 3-4 MiLB and you will also start finding the top NT's
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Who are allowed to make plays b/c...
…the NT occupies blockers.
by TheFifthDimension29 on Jul 30, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Also start naming the dominant safeties in the 3-4...
And you will find the good 3-4 MiLB
The middle of the field is so dependent on each other.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
The middle of the field means nothing
unless the DL keeps the other team from running the ball. Much like us last year. If you don’t stop the run, there’s no reason throw.
by TheFifthDimension29 on Jul 30, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Worst case scenario
The Chiefs use Gregg as a bandaid this year and also evaluate Powe. If it turns out Powe isnt the answer they draft a franchise nt in the first round next year
Gregg/Franklin
Gregg will do a good job but Franklin would’ve been better. Both seem to have similar skillsets and athlethic abilities but Franklin is 4 years younger. And that matters a lot since NT is such a physically demanding position. Franklin is still in his prime, Gregg is not. Otherwise the Ravens wouldn’t have cut him.
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
My only fear with Gregg is being in this same situation next year.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
franklin wasn't cut
he is a free agent and could be resigned by the niners
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
Gregg was cut, because they have Cody
…and we have Javier Arenas.
No, I don’t have a point.
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Arenas is a very solid player
I loved the pick then, and love it more now
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
Based on his 2010?
He was very underwhelming IMO
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
God i hope we get him too
This was a huge let down to see, we need to make big splashes, not throw pebbles.
by Matt Scrivener on Jul 30, 2011 10:52 AM CDT reply actions
I don't mind throwing pebbles
As long as we don’t miss what we’re throwing at
by TheFifthDimension29 on Jul 30, 2011 10:56 AM CDT reply actions
A little off topic...
Chad Johnson is already saying all the right things. One interview, but he already seems like a different person. that fucking red pill the Patriots give their players is insane.
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Since 2006: Royals win% = .4218, Chiefs win% = .3625
I never called him Ochocinco...
Its fucking stupid.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
He's an idiot
Thank God we don’t have to deal with him
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
Idiot based on what?
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
it will be interesting to see what his name is on a Pat uni
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
btw, if I was Belichick
I’d make him wear 83 or something.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
Isn't that Lance Long's 1.0's number?
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Aaron Hernandez
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Ochocinco is his legal last name
so until he changes it, that will be whats on the back.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
It would still be funny if he couldn't wear 85.
Then again, the Patriots aren’t successful with divas by being assholes to them.
He may have to Pay Aaron Hernandez quite a bit to get that number from him
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
He gave 85 away for free
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 30, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't that be the blue pill?
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Not in NE, they switch it up to keep you on your toes.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He'll be a model citizen when things are going well.
If things aren’t, he’s not getting the ball, you’ll see 85 come out.
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably a little.
But i really don’t think there will be an issue. I think he wants to win, and actually respects Belechick enough not to do that.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Same with Haynesworth (minus the ball part)
I feel like they’re taking a bit of a risk. Seems like they’re getting away from the “character” signings lately. We’ll see if it keeps working out.
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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
WOO?
#Chiefs have signed former Northwestern WR Zeke Markshausen. He’ll wear #5
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions
Something people haven't picked up on...
With the expanded roster sizes… You are going to have more unusual player numbers.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
With 90 guys at camp
If a team has 10 retired numbers, will we see someone wearing #104?
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by craig in calgary on Jul 30, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
May see another 00
hasn’t been one since Jim Otto.
Of course when rosters get cut down players will probably be forced to change players numbers.
Also granted this isn’t college football, but Notre Dame had a number 5 on both offense and defense, which was allowed since they were never on the field at the same time.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
What hasn't changed
is that WRs wearing #5 ain’t making the team.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
or FB
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Or Monty Python movie
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by averagegatsby on Jul 30, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Good
The Chiefs need to go sign
Justin Harrell- DT/NT (Shaun Rogers Size)-GB
Tony Brown- DE- used to play NT in 4-3
Cullen Jenkins-DE- GBP- Versatile
Barrett Ruud- ILB- Team With DJ
Antwaan Applewhite- OLB
On Defense
People act like Powe is only going to need half a season to start
Don’t forget that Pioli and Co (and the rest of the NFL) thought there were five rounds of guys better than Powe. He’s most likely not as good as we think or hope he is. As a 6th rounder, he may never be more than a back up/situational guy.
As for Toribio, if he was starter material Gregg wouldnt be signed (assuming Gregg is going to be the NT and not a DE).
I am not saying neither can turn into an above average player, but I am saying I’m not counting on either Powe or Toribio to turn into a good starting NT.
As far as I’m concerned Franklin is in the mix. We still need a starting, non-short-term fix at NT. Gregg is only here for a year, and there is nothing saying he won’t be a DE. T-Jax could be following Waters soon.
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