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Cheers, Jeers, and Tears so Far in Free Agency

Let me start of by making a request.  You know what, forget requesting, I'll beg.  Who needs pride?  NFL, please please PLEASE make the FA period this short every year!  This has been some exciting stuff, even if it's causing serious damage to my marriage.  Minor detail.  After all, I've got the whole rest of my life to earn back the love and respect of my wife... right?  I feel as though I should give this more thought.  Nah.

Honestly, I'm enjoying this more than laughing at a skater-boy biffing it on Fail Blog.  More than watching ups and Texas Chief argue over politics.  More than seeing Philip Rivers cry over it being too loud at Arrowhead Stadium.  More than watching old clips of MJ make NBA players look like high school benchwarmers. Sure, my life is probably going to be about five years shorter form the stress, but who wants to live past 70 anyways?  I'm having a blast!

Now, we know free agency isn't over, and we know that there could be more signings/releases/trades/God-knows-what in the near future.  But there's just NO WAY I was going to write about anything else.  Mad with power, remember?

Anyone ever read TV Guide?  Yes, I'm aware I just outed myself as a total and complete loser.  In my defense, I worked graveyard shift at a gas station for 2 years.  Other than having a guy try to rob me once, there wasn't a lot in the way of entertainment from midnight to five.  So I read whatever was available.  Including Cosmo from time to time (and now I've said too much).  Anyways, the point is TV Guide has a little section every week called "Cheers and Jeers" in which they praise and mock things that have gone down in television that week.

I'm going to blatantly steal that idea today, with a little bit of Tears added in as well.  So grab hold of something and prepare to be told what to think about our free agency to this point.  (BTW, I waited as long as I could.  I'm writing this at 10:15 so as to be up-to-date.  I hope this is obsolete by the time I post and we've signed another great player).

Star-divide

Cheers

For the Steve Breaston signing.  I know, it's obvious.  Just a few quick points here.  First, they addressed what was still a serious weakness (slot WR), which is always a good thing in FA.  And remember, Breaston had tons of success as a slot WR for Haley.  This is a big deal because it allows us to put 3 (hopefully, fingers crossed on Baldwin) legitimately talented WRs on the field at once.  I have never, ever seen us this stacked at WR.  Throw in Moeaki and Jamaal Charles and you've got a beautiful 3 WR, 1TE, 1 RB formation.  Weapons everywhere.

Second, about Breaston being an injury concern.  The only reason I raise this is because I've seen it so frequently in the comments.  Let's squash this, shall we?  In a four year career the man has missed four games.  He's not an injury concern.  Period (isn't it amazing how much stronger that made my argument?  'Nuff said)

And finally, cheers for getting him for a decent contract.  9.5 million guaranteed (and believe 22 million total) is not a high price to pay for a WR as productive as Breaston has been.  Especially when you look at the contracts other receivers have been receiving (see what I did there?) in recent years.  

Jeers

For the maddening silence coming from the Chiefs.  Look, I totally understand it.  I've read The Art of War.  I've seen The Godfather.  You don't want the enemy to know what you're planning.  OK, fine, great.  But would it kill you to tell us SOMETHING?  Anything?  Perhaps just a, "We're in the process of working on some contracts right now" announcement?

I know it seems stupid and maybe a little selfish, but I know I'd rest a little easier if we heard just a little bit from the Don every now and then.

Cheers

For the releases of Chris Chambers and Brodie Croyle.  One was an out-and-out thief who tricked us into giving him 2 million dollars.  The other was more a victim of circumstance (or weak genetics, or bad luck).  I hope one never plays in the NFL again, and I wish the other the best of luck.  It was time for both of them, however.

Jeers

For the retention of Jon McGraw as a safety.  I'm sorry, I don't want to seem like I hate McGraw.  I like him as a person and a leader.  But he's spent.  I don't understand why we're ready to move on from other vets who aren't nearly as washed up (more on that later) but we retain McGraw.  Kendrick Lewis is a better safety already.  We don't need McGraw to mentor Eric Berry anymore.  He's not a rook, and he's got a great DB coach for that.  Why keep around a guy who is too slow to be an asset?  Sorry John, and sorry those who love him.

Cheers

For the Kelly Gregg signing.  I was getting more and more on edge about our NT situation as time passed by.  And hey, maybe we're not done.  But we COULD be done signing NT's and I'd still be happy.

Other than Franklin (otherwise known as Our Wet Dream around here), Kelly Gregg was the best NT on the market.  You don't have to believe me.  Go over to Baltimore Beatdown and ask about Gregg.  In fact, some have come here just to congratulate us on a good signing.  Many of the fans over there thought they'd try to re-sign Gregg for less money and hoped it was in the cards.  He was a big contributor for them last year (their words, not mine) and someone they wished they could keep around.

I'll tell you a few things right now.  Kelly Gregg is a better 3-4 NT than Ron Edwards.  If you don't believe me, watch some tape or look at the Ravens' track record against the run.  He's also a pro's pro and a guy who can help Jerrell Powe learn how to harness that massive body.  He's a leader (which will help ease the transition from Vrabel/Waters to Berry/Cassel).  And he's a short term commitment.  All good things for us right now.

Great signing, great job, great stuff.  

Jeers

For the fact that we do not have Justin Houston signed and in camp.  I don't know who these jeers are for, but they're for someone.  I don't know what's going on there, but Houston needs to get his poop in a group and get his tail to camp.  Because from the sounds of it Andy Studebaker's shown up in amazing shape and ready to roll.  

Pioli, if it's you holding this up, get a move on.  We need everyone in camp.  And Houston, if it's you, get over yourself.  I know you were graded to be a first round draft pick.  But like a complete and utter imbecile you got stoned before the combine.  You deserve to lose out on money just for being so ridiculously dumb.  Learn from it, sign a contract, play your butt off, and get yourself paid in a few years.  

Get this done.  

Cheers AND Jeers

This is for Big Ron and Deep Freeze.  You were a couple of serviceable linemen for us, and you worked hard for this team.  You contributed to our turnaround last year and played above expectations (especially you Shaun).  Congratulations to both of you for finding teams more interested (in other words, willing to offer more money and playing time) in having you than we were.  I wish you both the best of luck.  Especially you, Ron.  I know Deep Freeze was the more popular guy here (and frankly the better player last year), but you've had it TOUGH the last 2 years.  You played more snaps than a man your age should play, more than most NT's in the NFL, and you did your best to hold the line.

The Jeers here go to Pioli for not keeping one of these guys.  Now, the Gregg signing helps.  But I'd feel better about our line if we had more rotational depth.  Wallace Gilberry's more of a situational guy.  Allen Bailey and Powe are rookies.  Dion Gales and Anthony Toribio haven't done anything on the field to instill me with confidence.

Our starting 3 (Glenn Dorsey, Gregg, and Tyson Jackson) look solid to me, especially at stopping the run.  But after that it's dicey.  Having another proven guy there would help me sleep a little easier.  Here's hoping we sign another guy (Ty Warren?), or one of the young guys (looking at you Bailey!) steps up sooner rather than later.

Cheers

To the fact that Darren Sproles, Robert Gallery, and Nnamdi Asomugha are no longer in the AFC West.  I hated playing those guys because... well... they can ball.  Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

And as a side note to this, cheers that the Chargers seem to be losing talent (coaches and players alike) at an increasing rate every year.  Philip Rivers can't carry them forever.  I hope they lose every game for the rest of eternity.

And finally... Tears

For Brian Waters.  I don't know what to think about him not being a Chief anymore.  I was fifteen when he started playing for us.  A freaking sophomore in high school.  That's almost half of my life ago.  He is a solid player, a good guy, and a team leader.  He'll be missed, and hopefully remembered as part of the greatest offensive line ever assembled.  

To throw my two cents into the "controversy" surrounding the move, I believe (based on what Waters and Pioli said) that Waters chose to move on when he saw the team was moving on (aka replacing him as a starter, or at least making him compete for the job).  There is no evidence for anything else, and frankly no other explanation makes sense given what we know.  

Oh, and as far as the conspiracy theory goes (you know, the one that postulates this is payback to Waters over the CBA), Waters said "absolutely not" when asked.  If that's not good enough for you, I just don't know what to tell you.

While I'm sad to see Waters go, the move made sense.  Jon Asamoah played well last year when given a chance.  He's a big, strong, athletic guy who looked ready to play.  Waters, on the other hand, had seen a decline in his play for two straight years.  He was worse last year than in 2009, and worse in 2009 than 2008.  The wheels were starting to come off, and in cases like this it's better to be a year early than a year late.  Especially when there's a young guy waiting and ready in the wings.

One last thing I'd like to say about Waters. I believe this sums up the kind of player and person he is.  Remember the drama when Pioli and Haley started here?  Waters tried to get in to see them and was rebuffed by Pioli (supposedly saying they "had nothing to talk about").  Even worse, he had the "22 guys off the street" conversation with Haley when he met him in a hallway.  Basically, they treated him like part of the problem that was the 2-14 Kansas City Chiefs.  The problem they'd come to fix.

Fast forward a couple of years.  Look at the change in how Waters is treated.  He's CONSULTED before being released.  Scott Pioli chose to talk to him about it rather than just make the move.  And Haley, for the first time ever, broke his well known practice of never, ever, EVER talking about players who aren't on the team to give Waters props.  Talk about a change.  He went from Just Another Guy on a 2-14 in their eyes to a guy they respected enough to break from their usual methods.  That's the type of respect Brian Waters earned from others.

 

I hope next week I have more to talk about regarding free agency (like, say a new ILB?  Perhaps another DL?  A RT to compete with B-Rich?  A RB to push TJ?), and more Cheers than Jeers to hand out.  For now, though, I just have to say that overall I give this free agency period a big Cheer.  With just a little Tear on the side.

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Might be able to add Zach Miller to the "leaving the division" list.

There’s been a Dolphins looking into Miller sighting.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jul 30, 2011 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

on that note.

I’ve also heard rumors of the cardinals as well.

"me and matt cassel just fucked you up, dog."

by .Robert on Jul 30, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yay!

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice. Rec!

I hates me some donkeys...

by ChiefDog on Jul 30, 2011 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Another blockbuster MN!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts,

by chiefdan on Jul 30, 2011 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Great write-up

I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important -like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus

by chiefsman7588 on Jul 30, 2011 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

jeers

That the Chiefs never go out and make a huge splash with a free agent signing. The cities of Philadelphia and Boston make me sick…because I am so envious of what it must feel like to be a fan

"Whenever people agree with me, I always feel I must be wrong" - Oscar Wilde

by Kizzle on Jul 30, 2011 12:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I'll take the Ryan Lilja's, TJ's, Breaston's, Smith's and Gregg's he gives us

But I get what you’re saying. It’d be fun to see just ONCE.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I’ll take the boring, cheap signings that seem to work out most of the time. You can keep the high priced guys who flop. The draft people, that’s how you build a winner. Then supplement that with FA. It’s not complicated. Love the Gregg signing.

by polodude017 on Jul 30, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

It never works. Name the last Super Bowl Champion built through free agency.

Who have been the most boring teams (other than the Chiefs) in free agency so far? I’d say it’s been the Steelers, the Packers, the Colts, and the Saints. What do they have in common?

The Patriots have been exciting the last few years. They’ve made splashes grabbing guys like Randy Moss and (more recently) Ochocinco and Haynesworth. It’s also been 7 years since they won a Super Bowl, and the last time they did it, they did it with a much more boring team than in the last few years.

The Pioli method is proven to produce two things:

1. Boredom during times like these.
2. Results

Give it some time.

"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan

by MtHammer on Jul 30, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Very well written

Agree with what u said

"Stay Classy Kansas City"

by Mas Cervezas on Jul 30, 2011 12:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

nice article, rec'd

I feel Houston needs to stop all this stupidity and get into camp, now. I was happy hearing about how this guy fell to us in Round 3, but I have a hard time seeing him as being anything other than a problem-child for the Chiefs at this point. Just bloody frustrating.

I got a notice that I wouldn't receive anymore notices, then I received a notice saying that notice was nulled. I just noticed the waste of two notices...

by Starshaker on Jul 30, 2011 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

houston

i was listening to 810 yesterday, they were trying to figure out why hes the only one not signed, and somebody mentioned he might have failed another UA test prior to camp…that or he wants more money, but either way, he got drafted were he did and there’s a high and a low for where he was picked at, really not much to negotiate there.

by KChiefs58 on Jul 30, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he failed another test

He’s the dumbest guy in the league. Bar none.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

yeah

and that’s saying something considering all the guys who’s IQ’s have been tanked by multiple concussions

I got a notice that I wouldn't receive anymore notices, then I received a notice saying that notice was nulled. I just noticed the waste of two notices...

by Starshaker on Jul 30, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

he called playing madden, film study.....?

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by BJ Kissel on Jul 30, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

My mistake it was the Lions.
Lions signed DT Quinn Pitcock.
An offseason report suggested Pitcock finally has control over his depression and addiction to video games. He was in Seattle’s training camp last season, but hasn’t appeared in a game since walking away from the Colts in 2008. Needless to say, he won’t be guaranteed a roster spot.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jul 30, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good

God

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Human minds are strange things.

"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.

by Brsrkr on Jul 30, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Jul 30, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

All speculation

Just because some talking head on 810 threw it out there doesn’t give it much more credence than anything said elsewhere.

I will go ahead and counter that with this: “Justin Houston did not fail another UDS.” There, I said it.

by Nick Britt on Jul 30, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cheers for MN

9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur

by ezoo on Jul 30, 2011 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Well said

Hard to disagree with anything here.

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by nmchief on Jul 30, 2011 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Good job MN.

I think a lot of folks around here agree with your POV.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 30, 2011 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm kinda disappointed. I was looking to get some debate going...

I should’ve put forth my view that T-Jax was just as good as Smith last year and will have no problem filling the role of full time LDE for us.

I KNEW I forgot something.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pioli should've signed Manning.

Our only hope for a Superbowl. Because Cassel sucks, and now Pioli sucks too.

"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.

by Brsrkr on Jul 30, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just wondering, but is there any actual proof of the "22 guys off the street" conversation ever actually happened?

Or have we just pulled a Liberty Valance accepted this legend as fact now? If memory serves, the only person who reported it was Whitlock. Whitlock was the guy who swore Haley was going to lose the team and now we have Haley’s former players signing with us so they can play for him again. The Whitlock story was just suspect from the start. And wasn’t his claim that Waters called him and told him about his alleged dust up with Haley? That always sounded way out of character for a stand-up guy like Brain Waters.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Jul 30, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree

I do think there was some kind of truth to it. But my main point was that Haley and Pioli treated Waters like any other player initially. Then he earned such high respect from them they gave him borderline-deferential treatment.

The story is probably not true in its entirety. But since when did the truth matter as much as making my point?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank you

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 30, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I absolutely loved this article MN

great stuff.

Thank you for writing it…

Unfortunately today I will not be bringing an article, and I apologize for that AP. I had some rough family issues come up out of town that I had to help out with immediately, but I thought I would take the time to check out what was going on around AP and read your piece MN. Which IMO, was one of your best so far, Congrats.

It is killing me to not be on AP all day checking out this wonderful FA period, and I am jelaous of you all.

Everyone have a wonderful day. Go Chiefs!!!

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 30, 2011 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks CBO. Best of luck dealing with your situation

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good luck, man.

After things settle, you know the best place to catch up on news and OT.

"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.

by Brsrkr on Jul 30, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great Post

I will Disagree with one point you made though…Jon McGraw.

His resigning is good for this team. He is a tremendous leader, a hard worker and probably one of the smartest guys on the team (on and off the field). His presence helps Berry and Lewis mature at an accelerated rate. I don’t think his contribution can be measured in PBUs or interceptions.

That being said, I will predict that Jon has a GREAT season statistically (as a role player). He trained like crazy this offseason and is in the best shape of his career. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him make a big impact for us (probably in a back up or fill in for an injury type of roll.) To be frank, the guy is a machine and the lockout couldn’t have come at a better time for him. Rest is what a 10 year vet needs to get better.

Once again, great post. Enjoyed it.

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."

by bigbe on Jul 30, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

well, I don't know about all that

To me, he could just as easily get cut at the last cut down. I’d rather he be a coach and get better actual talent on the field.

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 30, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because of you I realized I misspelled McGraw's name like a doofus :)

I disagree about McGraw, but I sure do hope you’re right.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd love it if we were so long on talent and smarts that McGraw would be expendable.

However I disagree that his retention be jeered. IMO his future contributions will be mainly special teams and clubhouse leadership. He is tough , professional and provides the right kind of guidence for younger players. Just keep him away from regular defensive alignments.

Everything else said by MN was right on and a great summation of the mood of the Chiefs Nation.

"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle

by CatChief on Jul 30, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and rec'd.

"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle

by CatChief on Jul 30, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd hope

that KC would find somebody better BEFORE they cut him.

"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.

by Brsrkr on Jul 30, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kendrick Lewis is a better safety than Jon McGraw

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

And probably already ahead of him on the depth chart.

Need three-four more safeties better than McGraw, then you can cut him :)

"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.

by Brsrkr on Jul 31, 2011 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

guess it's just me and you bigbe

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by BJ Kissel on Jul 30, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm cheating

I am closer to the situation than most people on the blog so its not a fair argument. I only know what I know and that is he is in the best shape he’s been in for awhile. I hope he doesn’t get hurt and make me eat my words. But i am confident he’ll turn some heads for a guy his age.

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."

by bigbe on Jul 30, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

good to know....

SB Nation Kansas City

Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.

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by BJ Kissel on Jul 30, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

He got tore up in the playoff game

Unless he greatly improved his speed and agility, he is a liability in pass defense.

by Nick Britt on Jul 30, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice write-up MN

Only thing I disagree with is about McGraw. And I know I’m in the extreme minority here. but I’m glad he’s coming back.

But just because we RE-SIGNED him doesn’t mean he’ll necessarily be the starter. During training camp last year it was the young guys that were always turning to McGraw to get their assignments down. He was willing to help the young guys and there was a quote by him about ‘helping the younger guys replace him’. Or something like that.

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Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.

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by BJ Kissel on Jul 30, 2011 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I rec'd it anyways because it makes you all warm and fuzzy

at the rate AP has been going, it’ll be off the front in 37.454 minutes.

SB Nation Kansas City

Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.

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by BJ Kissel on Jul 30, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, if that means we made more great signings

Fine by me :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

good work though

made the move yet?

SB Nation Kansas City

Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.

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by BJ Kissel on Jul 30, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on all points.

He is a very sharp guy and willing to help others. Will be a great teacher for Berry and Lewis.

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."

by bigbe on Jul 30, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't hurt either way.

Until they find someone else who can hold their own behind Berry and Lewis, I’ll be happy to have him back.

by polodude017 on Jul 30, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed with everything

Especially with not retaining at least one of Edwards/Smith, and most definitely about Jon McGraw. He’s not even serviceable as a backup. How can the front office NOT think of Todd Heap every time they see McGraw?

I still shudder just thinking about it.

I’m holding onto hope for some additional role players to be added (McClain, RT, ILB, and Warren), but I ‘m not upset by many of the moves the Chiefs have made. Solid piece, Rec’d.

2011 hopefuls: Being competitive and whooping the holy poop out of the AFC West.

by shotty on Jul 30, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Definitely like to see Warren...

word is he can be had for cheap on a “winner”. Not sure if he considers KC to be that, but he would be an excellent rotational guy to give Dorsey and Jackson a blow. Right now, I’m a little nervous about who’s providing depth there.

by polodude017 on Jul 30, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heap in the PO game...

He was not McGraw’s responsibility every time. I think it is naive by a lot of people on this site to assume they know what defense we were running. The coverage packages ran in the NFL these days look more like the schematic for a jet engine on paper than a football play. There are so many shells and dummy looks shown that there is no way to know exactly what we were doing on any one play without breaking down the game film. I coached at the collegiate level and I have to run plays back to see what everybody was doing.

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."

by bigbe on Jul 30, 2011 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks MN!

Good stuff. We almost could’a added Ortin to MIA in the cheers section. I’d rather face the son of God than Ortin most days. Here’s hoping ’ol horseface trades him off.

You Play to Win the game!!!

by Wichita Chief on Jul 30, 2011 1:36 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

McGraw

Not knowing the Gregg signing, I would have to disagree with McGraw. His leadership was needed on the the special teams and defense. His presence along with Copper are valuable tools outside the lines, in the meeting rooms, practices … Chiefs are not done with the right 53 yet.

by chiefsnation64436 on Jul 30, 2011 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Another Thought

Don’t think that special teams are not important, just ask 2010 Chargers

by chiefsnation64436 on Jul 30, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Special teams are important

But so is a S that can match-up one-on-one against the likes of Antonio Gates and Zach Miller that we will see 4 times a year. McGraw can’t get the job done.

by Nick Britt on Jul 30, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

If McGraw has to Cover Miller and Gates

then the Chiefs have a lot more problems then just resigning McGraw as only a Safety. I don’t expect to see McGraw covering the TEs.

by chiefsnation64436 on Jul 30, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

problem is right now mcgraw is safety 3 on this team. so an injury, or a 3 safety set and hes in there

langford is our hope to knock him back to the 4 spot as a ST guy only

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Jul 30, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Langford has resigned

So we have to put Q Law and Brown in the Safety spot too

by chiefsnation64436 on Jul 30, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very well said

I pretty much agree with everything you said. Keep up the great work!

by Tyran on Jul 30, 2011 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Cheers

for not relying on pictures to make a short empty fanpost look like you did a bunch of work and had something to say.

You had a lot to say and you said it. Kudos. I don’t agree with all of it, but this is what fanposts should be. The only downside is that people won’t follow your example. I’m sure the next fanpost will be a paragraph, two pictures and a poll.

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KC_Satchmo on Jul 30, 2011 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

next cheers will be signing mcclain, or giving long term deals to flowers and hali

jeeers will be if any of the above doesnt happen(ill live if mcclain signs elsewhere, but I want our guys back long term)

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Jul 30, 2011 2:33 PM CDT reply actions  

OK guys, hold your thoughts and sit tight

I’ll be back in several hours.

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 30, 2011 2:35 PM CDT reply actions  

John McGraw is our Special Teams Captain

That is why I am happy we kept him.

by Skrappy on Jul 30, 2011 2:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

i like having mcgraw

but i can see the argument where people dont like him. as long as lewis starts then im ok with it

by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 30, 2011 3:57 PM CDT reply actions  

This is a big deal because it allows us to put 3 (hopefully, fingers crossed on Baldwin) legitimately talented WRs on the field at once. I have never, ever seen us this stacked at WR. Throw in Moeaki and Jamaal Charles and you’ve got a beautiful 3 WR, 1TE, 1 RB formation. Weapons everywhere.

I am most excited to see what we can do running the ball with this personnel package – because I guarantee most people will run a nickel against that line-up, but all three of those WR’s and Moeaki are good to great blockers in the run game

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

The offense should be really fun to watch this year. Someone mentioned Charles should have all kinds of room to run on draw plays out of 3WR sets with Bowe, Breaston and Baldwin out there to keep D’s honest.

by bh13 on Jul 30, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why aren't we "Killing it"?

@JasonLaCanfora: Eagles have landed Cullen Jenkins. Amazing. Joe Banner and Howie Roseman are killing it.

I want national pundits to say my team’s GM is making “Amazing” moves.
Guess I should just be satisfied with the “Right 53”
Besides, the media doesn’t know football or how to evaluate talent! Big names are just that….right?
(I’ll stop with the passive aggression now)

"Denver sounds rough to the maker of verse. One comfort we have - Oakland sounds worse."

by Product Category on Jul 30, 2011 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

We will win more games than Philly this season

mark it down.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't Know

Philly was 10-6 last year.
All of their tougher Conf. matchups are at home this year, have NE at home, figure they’ll sweep Was. & Dal.
I’m having trouble finding 6 losses for them this year

"Denver sounds rough to the maker of verse. One comfort we have - Oakland sounds worse."

by Product Category on Jul 30, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wet Blanket/Polotics!

Far be it for me too mention within this subject matter. Answer this question: When was the last time a “page 1” Free Agent signed with OUR Chiefs? In a league where over and over again you hear that some “players/teams get ’all the calls,” there has to be at least a momentary discussion started on that point. WE currently have a 7 game postseason losing streak. WE have lost, at least; 4 of those games with a few incredulous decisions by league officiating. Question 2: Is it possible that players know which teams they will get more calls with? Star player A gets call over non-star player B and so on and so forth. Opinions???

WAR Kansas City Chiefs KINGDOM!!!

by Jason Drue Keith on Jul 30, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m having trouble finding 6 losses for them this year

Okay, so they go 11-5, we go 12-4 =)

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

The big thing to remember

How many of these “amazing” signings work out? Every year there’s names everybody wants signed and some of them work out, some of them fail miserably.

I’m a big Jenkins fan, but I don’t know that there’s a spot for him here (not saying you wanted Jenkins specifically). He’d likely be in the DE rotation as I’m not really sure he could handle NT, full time anyway. We already have Dorsey, Jackson, Gilberry and Bailey there.

In the end, we’ve got Breaston and Gregg, who I think are really nice additions and free agency isn’t even remotely close to being done. There’s still several guys out there that could improve the team, from O-line to LB and beyond. I have no doubt we’re not done yet.

There may or may not be any “amazing” signings in our future, but if they help the team improve, who really cares?

by bh13 on Jul 30, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

one word: AlbertHaynesworth.

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 30, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Waters, on the other hand, had seen a decline in his play for two straight years. He was worse last year than in 2009, and worse in 2009 than 2008. The wheels were starting to come off, and in cases like this it’s better to be a year early than a year late.

Pioli was a year early on Law, who had a career high 10 picks with the Jets before coming to KC and falling apart. I don’t think he’s early with Waters – I think there is a chance Asamoah would have beaten Waters for the starting job…I think it’s likely that Asamoah is the better of the two four months from now.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

I love Waters. I’m grateful for everything he’s done for the Chiefs and it’s hard to see him go, but I think it’s Asamoah’s time to shine.

by bh13 on Jul 30, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good rundown, man. Glad you took the time to write it up.

"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.

by Brsrkr on Jul 30, 2011 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I share your sentiments

except for Waters. No tears here. Just Cheers.

by grid_iron on Jul 30, 2011 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I suppose that would have been a more appropriate way to say "thanks".

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 30, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great job..

Really enjoyed the read.

by kcchief77 on Jul 30, 2011 8:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

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