Three Biggest Surprises In Chiefs Free Agency
by Joel Thorman on Jul 29, 2011 8:29 AM CDT
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PrintSo what's the biggest surprise for the Kansas City Chiefs so far in free agency? We're starting the fourth day of this pre-free agency period where teams and players can talk but contracts can't be consummated until 5:00 p.m. (Arrowhead Time) tonight and we've seen three big surprises from the Chiefs.
First, the loss of Ron Edwards to the Carolina Panthers. He was the starting nose tackle last year and I strongly expected him back in KC this year. That he won't be back in KC to start at nose tackle in 2011 could cause some issues considering the Chiefs have a couple of unproven guys (NT Anthony Toribio and NT Jerrell Powe) behind him. Does anyone have a clue who will be the starting nose tackle come Week 1? That's why this is a surprise. It seemed like the Chiefs were unprepared for his departure. We'll see. Maybe they had other plans.
Second, the release of Brian Waters. I admit -- I'm probably not thinking rationally when it comes to him because I was a big fan of him on and off the field but his release is still a surprise (even if the reasons for his release weren't unforeseen). Anytime the longest tenured member of a team leaves, it's a surprise.
Third, the loss of Shaun Smith to the Tennessee Titans. There were reports that the Chiefs were working on a deal to try and keep Smith so that's why this is a bit of a bigger surprise. We thought GM Scott Pioli would get it done but it appears the Titans likely offered more money.
Those are your three big surprises so far in Chiefs free agency. Which one is the biggest?
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D. I am getting too old for this drama!
Ive been wetting my pants all week!
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by chiefsandcigars on Jul 29, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Eat a sponge
that should help
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Same as every other week I assumed...
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 29, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I was more surprised about Edwards than Smith
Smith did pretty well, but I think they were worried about him being a distraction at some point
I'm really surprised at the combined loss of
Edwards and Smith. I could understand losing one of the two, but losing both? I’m surprises Pioli allowed it to happen. DL went from being one of the strongest units on the team, to one with several question marks.
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by Scaryclouds on Jul 29, 2011 8:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
DL is only 3 people and one of them was Edwards, who played hard but definitely wasn't a strength of the team
by Chatch McNasty on Jul 29, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
DL is not "just" 3 people, every good 3-4 has a 5-6 man rotation
the DL in the 3-4 are asked to do alot. This loss is a huge deal. You need depth on any DL for the sake of rotation and especially in a 3-4. If anything had we retained those guys we would still needed 2 more guys.
"Does anyone have a clue who will be the starting nose tackle come Week 1?"
His name is not Ron Edwards. And that’s good enough for me.
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This.
And it won’t be Powe, either.
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Shocked we haven't heard the Dorsey to NT speculation start up again
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Do yall think Dorsey will switch to NT this year?
j/k couldnt pass it up! :)
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He obviously will
NT is the most important position in a 3-4
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Me too.
But you and I both know that if they let Smith and Edwards get out of the building, we’re bringing in someone today.
"Now you can luxuriate in a nice jail cell, but if your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you." -- Malcolm Reynolds
I guess they can use Powe in camp till they sign someone,but...
You would think that it should become a pretty big priority.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Kalo, I'm curious...
I remember you talking about skipping the “yearly” breakdown of T-Jax because you didn’t feel like taking the grief…
Any chance you’ll change your mind to get people who are on the ledge because of Smith leaving to have some hope?
Because the general consensus around here is that Smith vastly outplayed T-Jax. Which just isn’t true.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
With the influx of new members
this prolly isn’t the best time to have that conversation. Better to lay low and let the newbies do their storm/norf/form before leading the charge into controversy.
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Maybe I'll do an Arguing with Idiots story tomorrow
And get blasted. Could be fun
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Going to focus on TJax? Or Cassel?
Those are the most polarizing topics you could hit. And plenty of newbies haven’t seen the slugfests that occur in those comment sections.
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I'd go "Haley as playcaller"
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Ahhhhh...good call.
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I listened to an unhealthy amount of talk radio yesterday.
So I can’t remember which radio show was ragging on Haley as a play caller for a good 10 minutes, but I couldn’t believe it. You’d think he’d never called plays for a high scoring offense in the Super Bowl.
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Wait until a somewhat more "dead" period
So you can get some spotlight. There’s too much going on right now. Maybe shoot for the off week right before the season opener.
by TheScootness on Jul 29, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I think I'll do an overview of FA so far
With a splash of Waters and Smith (T-Jax will come up naturally with this topic) thrown in.
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Feel free to direct them to any one of the 6,734,529 times I've tried to prove he is worth his spot.
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by KaloPhoenix on Jul 29, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Will do
I already did an entire post that was basically a re-hashing of all the work you did.
But people continue to insist he sucked, and Smith was awesome. It’s…. disturbing to say the least.
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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 29, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Smith did vastly outplay him...in snaps.
Like Satch says, let’s let things cool down a bit. I think we’re going to get some big news today, and anything I could/would post is going to disappear in a matter of minutes anyway. Damn Chris and Joel for being so on top of things. =)
"Now you can luxuriate in a nice jail cell, but if your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you." -- Malcolm Reynolds
I LITERALLY have no idea why anyone would put up a Fanpost right now
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you should do a fanpost about that
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I would be ok with Edwards starting week 1.
Week 17 is a different story.
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 29, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Not surprised by Edwards and Smith at all.
The easy choice for me is Waters. I’m not shocked, but it’s somewhat of a surprise.
Brian Waters..
Not surprised at all by Edwards or Smith leaving.
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by chiefsfan62 on Jul 29, 2011 8:46 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Voted Waters
Tho all were big surprises to me.
Probably the biggest surprise of the week wasn’t an option up there though: the biggest surprise of the week is that I haven’t heard a single person complain about Matt Cassel in at least a few days…
You'd think people would just shelve Cassel talk until the end of the season
With a bunch of weapons and a tough schedule, we’ll finally get our answers once and for all
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No... We can move Dorsey back to his natural position of NT.
Go Chiefs!!!!
by ravenhawk on Jul 29, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's kidding
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Yeah, that's been practically squashed here
Many of the “regulars” don’t like it. And so they attack it, because they fear it.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
In most cases it's no necessary
I will use it on occassion only when addressing a controversial point
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Don't worry about the snarkiness over here.
Feel free. I just assume everyone’s being sarcastic.
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by KaloPhoenix on Jul 29, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
exactly
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Nah, we love it here
The occasional ambiguity on “is he being sarcastic?” makes everything more exciting!
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Nah stay over here...
There really isn’t much good to talk about with the royals anyways.
Go Chiefs!!!!
You'd be surprised how good the conversation is over there
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agree
the TEAM sucks lemons but the convo is often a hoot
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
They attack it's because it's stupid.
It’s the equivalent of explaining a joke and then asking people to laugh anyway. Plus, APers came to be so dependent on it for a while that many started taking everything that was said completely seriously if it wasn’t highlighted in gray.
And on top of everything else, the sarcasm font randomly cuts off your sentences if you're not careful.
The sarcasm font can blow me.
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by MtHammer on Jul 29, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I used it,
there wouldn’t be any left for anybody else.
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It's an overplayed joke here at AP...
Welcome home to AP!??
Go Chiefs!!!!
None of the above
Why is the Breaston signing not one of the choices?
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
More than the loss of Edwards, Smith, and Waters
I knew Pioli would address WR this offseason, but I didn’t think he’d do anything big after Baldwin
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Because literally nobody was surprised by it?
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I bet someone, somewhere was
Stop abusing the word literally
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Because word abuse
Is literally a crime
by Tito42 on Jul 29, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
This is LITERALLY the best response I've seen all day.
… ANNE PERKINS!
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
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You are literally a dumbass
I really like this new arrangement of ours btw
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by KC_Satchmo on Jul 29, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
It seems to be cathartic for you
And that makes me happy
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Don't forget my Rec
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Bah! I'm a little slow today
(leaves door for insult wide open)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am literally sick of you two fawning over each other.
Where’s the old Satch that used to tell me to *@&% off for no good reason?
"Now you can luxuriate in a nice jail cell, but if your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you." -- Malcolm Reynolds
I have LITERALLY never told you to fuck off
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Now THAT'S word abuse.
I’m sure of it. =)
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Fuck off
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by KC_Satchmo on Jul 29, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's merely refocused that energy
On attempting to make me angry.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I haven't even started to try and make you angry yet
I have LITERALLY just made a deal where I get to call you names and you have to Rec me
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Can I do that too? Get to call him names and get rec's?
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 29, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope
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Damn.
Shouldn’t MN get final say on that?
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 29, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
Well in the words of BJ
I’m gonna go punch a baby
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 29, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ha!
And don’t worry… I’ll stop rec’ing his insults soon. I’m just lulling him into a false sense of security.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
That is the ninja approach
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 29, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Say 'literally' again. Say 'literally' again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say literally one more Goddamn time!
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 29, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
Gets rec’d when I log into a computer again.
Chiefs FA/Draft Wish List: #2 WR (done); Pass Rushing OLB (done); Back-up or Developmental QB (done); True NT (maybe?, still want a solid starter in Franklin); OLINE help (C - done, RT); Depth (DE, OLB, ST - done)
by Falcon58 on Jul 29, 2011 9:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Greeny said the Orton trade is now off.
And he’s taking first team snaps for Denver.
Sucks for Chiefs fans — especially those from Calgary.
Damn. I was hoping he would be gone and leave us to face the wonder boy.
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 29, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Im glad he's staying
sure the team improves from completely shitty to pretty shitty. But at least they get a QB controversy….no extra draft picks…and a pissed off fan base.
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Good points all.
They still could trade him, though. It just that the Miami trade has apparently been tabled.
Who else is going to want that scrub?
Cincy? I suppose maybe Carolina could use a stopgap
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Orton's a decent QB IMO
I think he’d be an upgrade on at least half a dozen teams out there.
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Probably more than that.
Considering what they gave up, I’d have rather gotten him on the cheap than Kolb, if I were the Cardinals.
Me too
I’ve never understood the Kolb hype.
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That might be all of it
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 29, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Word Abuse Alert
My point is that everyone has LITERALLYBasically committed to a QB at this point. There really aren’t job available. Bringing him in as a backup is just asking for the same problems Denver is trying to avoid
by SammerChief on Jul 29, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
My point is that everyone has LITERALLY
committed to a QB at this point. There really aren’t job available. Bringing him in as a backup is just asking for the same problems Dnver is trying to avoid
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Geez economic recovery is hitting all aspects of the US business.
No job is safe… Next thing you know is that QB positions will be shipped overseas.
Go Chiefs!!!!
The Chinese
don’t meet the NFL QB height requirements.
Stereotyping is fun!
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You just think that because you're white
Hey… that IS fun :)
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Be careful
I may convince my people to bomb the shit out of yoru people for that can of oil in your garage
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I think you’ve done enough
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Big Ba-da-boom.
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by Falcon58 on Jul 29, 2011 10:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Huh. I was thinking Norwegian.
"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.
Anyone else see...
Yesterday, apparently, Brady Quinn had a good day and was their best guy. Sounds alot like the Brodie Croyle syndrome…
Brady Quinn has a hot boyfriend?
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I’m torn. I hate that they’re not going with Tebow, but happy because Denver fans have already convinced themselves that Tebow is the next Elway.
I think
it is bad news for our division. Denver has many problems, but Orton at QB has not been one of them. They start fixing that defense.. They will be harder to play.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jul 29, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Edwards
Almost forced to go out and get a NT in free agency. It’s seemed to me this regime has been perfectly happy trotting a servicable Ron Edwards out there and has not expressed an urgency to address the position. So now they just about have to.
Maybe a little surprised at Waters, but it’s obvious this is what both sides have wanted for a while now.
Smith wasn’t a starter, can’t really be surprised by turnover in supporting roles.
No suprises
Figured Edwards would go because I fully believe we have a new NT coming soon and it’s very likely that it’s in fact Franklin. If not there are other veterans that could come in and be a stop gap for at least a year while Powe learns.
Smith would probably be 3rd on the depth chart and probably wanted more money then we were willing to pay for d line depth. Hence T-jax, Dorsey, Bailey, Gilberry, Powe, and maybe a Franklin. I do think we will sign one more dlinemen for depth but it will be someone cheaper then Smith. Maybe a UDFA.
And as far as Waters goes, Jon is going to be a stud and we can’t let that young talent ride the bench. You gotta let those declining vets go to clear up cap space and make room for young talent.
That is the Pioli way.
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jul 29, 2011 9:03 AM CDT reply actions
Actually, the biggest surprise
is that Wiegman is still playing.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jul 29, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
false
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Weigman
He should be refreshed after the lockout and should be ready do go. I think Hudson will take over somewhere in the middle of the season imo.
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jul 29, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
If...
Casey starts to wear down. If he can play at a high level all season then keep him out there but I bet he doesn’t make it that far.
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jul 29, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Smith..........Waters was not a big surprise for me
When Hunt made his first statement about the lockout negotiations he did not give any credit to Waters. It was subtle, but seemed intentional to me.
In Waters Departing statement he thanked everyone involved with the Chiefs and didn’t mention Hunt.
I don’t think this was by coincidence.
It was a mutual statement released and agreed upon by Waters and the Chiefs. Hunt owns the team, Pioli manages the team, and Waters was a long time successful player. I don’t know how you can read this or read that into what was said or what was not said. Sometimes in a divorce, both parties want to move on. Not sure that was the case here, but if someone says the young guard is going to play, and the old guard says, well I don’t want to back-up…maybe because of the service the guy gave the Chiefs for many years, maybe they did the player a favor by releasing him so that he could use all his options. Maybe that was mutual and benefits everyone involved. It was very clear to me Waters has lost a step. Maybe there is mutual respect for everyone involved.
Waters was a surprise
But I’m okay with all of it. I know I’m going to get roasted for this, but I trust Pioli. The man has a pretty good track record.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
We were already a thin rotation even with those guys
I am not sure what Pioli is thinking here with the amount of cash we have. This is Petersen esque.
A good 3-4 usually has six capable guys in the rotation and an emergency guy.
This only means one thing..
The Chiefs WILL bring somone in VERY, VERY, soon. Could be today. Cuz now we have no one to play NT. Im expectying a NT to be signed today.. If not, this was a stupid Pioli move. Which there arent many of.
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