Would you be mad if the Chiefs traded Tamba....
by ChiefJamesthe2nd on Jul 29, 2011 3:05 AM CDT
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PrintLots of crazy news coming out around the league. Vince Young to the Eagles, Ron Edwards to the Panthers, Jets trying hard for Nnamdi, Oakland looking to get Cromartie maybe, McNabb to the Vikes, Brian Waters just CUT by the Chiefs, Ochocinco and Haynesworth to the Pats, ect ect. Could we get another big one in the next 24 hours?
The last 2 years alone the Chiefs have drafted 3 OLB (Scheffield, Houston, and Miller) We also have Studebacker. Without Hali our OLBs wouldn't be nearly as good as they are, but everyone says the biggest staple of the 3-4 is the NT. Which brings me to my main point. Could Pioli be working on a trade?....Hali for a NT? After losing Edwards and possibly Smith to other teams the Chiefs are extremely thin at NT. Pretty much everyone agrees the Chiefs MUST do something about it, and very soon. I will Present you with a very crazy scenario that has no real basis what so ever. What if the aquiring of Haynseworth is so that NE can trade Vince Wilfork for Tamba Hali. I know that sounds crazy, but if you look closely it makes perfect sense.
Haynseworth isn't the greatest DT, but could certainly be a dominant NT if motivated. With Tamba bringing the pass rush, it would more then negate the overall lose from Vince being gone. The Pats would have their pass rush that they've been looking for the last few years. I personally believe that NT is more valuable then OLB, so whats in it for NE well Tamba is a couple years younger and fills a massive need.
On the flip side the Chiefs would lose a dominant pass rusher, but gain a dominant NT, which certainly plays more to Crennel's strength as a DC. While I don't think Houston will be as good as Tamba as a pass rusher I do believe he has the potential to be a more complete OLB, as does Scheffield and even Studebacker imho. As I said I don't believe any of them will ever be as good a pass rusher, except for the element of surprise. Opposing QBs know EVERY play that 91 is coming. Crennel needs more complete OLB to bring the heat from unexpected areas. He may not be know for his "exotic blitzes" but the element of surprise is a key to the way he runs defense. Just look at the numbers from the NE Dynasty
2001.......41 Sacks from 14 different players and no one with more then 7
2003.......41 sacks from 13 different players no one with double digits
2004.......45 Sacks from 12 Different players one player with more than 5.5 sacks
Now I'm just going to leave it at that. You decide Chiefs fans. Would you be mad if Pioli trades Tamba for Vince? I honestly can't say, I love Tamba (no homo) but Vince Wilfork would be an excellent addition to the team.
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I mean...
would it be an even trade? Yeah, I guess. But why would we want to make the Pats better, and I honestly don’t think the Pats would ever do it because they would have to pay Hali, plus Haynesworth is a short term player for them, they always think long term. I would rather sign Franklin and pay Hali. If the Panthers can dish out 100 million in guaranteed money in a week I think we can do 60 to 70 million easy, especially after saving 4 million on Waters.
I hear ya, but it's not about what you or me would rather do
I’d love to keep Tamba too, but Crennel needs his NT, and works better with complete OLB. As much as we all love Tamba, I don’t think he’ll ever be more then a standing DE. Nothing more then a pass rusher, which means teams will ALWAYS know that he’s coming. The Pats have some cap room for sure, and Haynesworth is like 5 months older than Wilfork. While the Chiefs are trying to become a winner, the Pats already are. The cap room they have can be spent on just about whatever they want, and if I was the Pats, it would come down to if I could get Albert to play….If I could I would trade Vince for Tamba in a heartbeat. He would take that defense to another level, and they already have the offense.
Now, I’m hardcore on the bandwagon of NOT making the Pats better, but we need to get better too. I’m not sure how much better we’d be in the short term (2011) but after a year or 2 of acclimating the young OLBs I think we’d be better for it. I think Franklin is good, but he’s no Wilfork. I don’t know really it was just some crazy thought I had and wanted to share :)
by ChiefJamesthe2nd on Jul 29, 2011 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions
It takes 2 to tango.
Trades are rarely one sided… usually both teams are trying to get better because of a trade.
I don't see it happening for 2 reasons:
1) The Pats don’t typically trade for big name superstars
2) Without Hali, we don’t have a proven pass rush. We could have a dominant NT, but without any pass rush we’d still be screwed. Maybe in a year when we figure out if the other OLBs are capable of handling it, just not right now.
Well to be honest I can't
debate number 2, but umm they just traded for 2 big name superstars, Ochocinco and Haynseworth. They say everything comes in 3s so why not round it out fillinf arguably the biggest need on the team, with Tamba….just sayin :)
by ChiefJamesthe2nd on Jul 29, 2011 4:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe 4 years ago, these guys were traded for 5/6 round picks for a reason
Their careers are on the last straw. Cinco was never an elite, game changing reciever, and Haynesworth stopped trying after getting his 100 million dollar contract.
by SoCalChief17 on Jul 29, 2011 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Belicheck always gets good deals no matter for the player is
just look at the Randy Moss deal. Chad Johnson is a great receiver. He’s had 7 1,000 yard seasons in his 10 year career, along with 66 TDs. I’d say that’s a game changer. Andre Johnson needs 1,600 Yards and 16 TDs (his career high is 9) over the next 2 seasons to stay on pace with Ochocinco. The gap widens much more if you don’t include Chad’s rookie year in which he only started 3 games. I think Chad is a pretty good receiver.
Yes Haynseworth stopped playing after getting paid, but when he plays he’s one of the best in the league without a doubt.
I’m not saying it’s going to happen, I have no basis for that. I’m certainly not going to say it’s impossible, or that it’s even unlikely, because that’s what pretty much all of Pioli’s and Belichicks moves are like. Rewind 2 days and think of what you would have said if someone told you that Belichick is going to trade a 5th round pick for Albert Haynseworth. I think something along the lines of “YOU’RE Fin CRAZY MAN” is what I would have thought.
by ChiefJamesthe2nd on Jul 29, 2011 5:19 AM CDT up reply actions
To be honest
I don’t thin the offseason would be complete wihtout a deal being struck between Pioli and Bleicheck.
by ChiefJamesthe2nd on Jul 29, 2011 4:28 AM CDT reply actions
I could see the hoodie giving up 2 # 1'a before trading big Vince. Albert H. is in a
great place to play on defense where Dorsey plays but with a pass rush. I do NOT expect Hali to be traded unless Brady is going to hang up his cleats after the next ring, hoodie too. So in that scenario I see them going after a PRer like Hali.
So lets see
We trade one of the BEST pass rushers who is still learning the position and in his prime, for a NT who can only decline.
Tough one, but I’m passing. If we trade Tamba it best be for some first round picks.
What do you have against Tamba anyways? What is this #2 or 3 trade Tamba post from you
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H^2-Hali and Houston
I'm pretty sure it's my second scenario trading Tamba
I don’t have anything against him. I think he’s a great player, but the NFL is a business. If Wilfork came here in exchange for Tamba it would play more to our DC strengths. To run Crennels D effectively you have to have a dominate NT. Tamba imo is easily a top 5 pass rusher, but no where near a complete OLB. While I would much rather have him and Franklin, Pioli may not. Pioli and Crennel know better then us what they need to run the defense the way they believe will be successful, and if that means they need Wilfork more than Tamba, then so be it. In no way am I saying I want Tamba traded because I want Tamba off the team…I’m saying that if Pioli found this to be the best option for the team I can see reasoning behind it….I could refer to my post from yesterday titled “In Pioli I Trust” as of now 86% have voted that they trust Pioli…would that change if he traded Tamba? If it would, then you didn’t really trust him (not saying you voted that wy, just a general statement).
by ChiefJamesthe2nd on Jul 29, 2011 6:15 AM CDT up reply actions
The Chiefs showed last year that if you can get an effect rotation you do not need a 'dominate NT'
We ran sub packages 50%+ of the time, Wilfork is good but he would still not be on the field all the time(yes he would be in the subpackages sometimes but not always)
What we would be getting is a part time player and horrible pass rush.. sounds like a GREAT deal huh?
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 29, 2011 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Hali is worth more than just Wilfork in a trade, both because of age and positional value
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by PVChiefsfan on Jul 29, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Chief James
1 flaw in your comment was that in Romeo Crennel’s system they need a dominate NT. This in itself was not flawed, but, more important than a dominant NT is a pass rush. We play a zone 3-4, much like a cover two which relies heavily on pressure for the pass D to hold up. A NT stops the run. I wouldn’t trade Tamba for ANY NT. I trust Pioli, but you I’m not too sure about.
Pick 21: OLB Justin Houston
Pick 30: C Rodney Hudson
Pick 86: NT Kenrick Ellis. (Ellis in the 3rd = Taylor in the 1st + 1st round pick).
Problems solved. Please forget about Phil Taylor.
If this scenario happened
It would break AP
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 29, 2011 5:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Why?
Pioli IS going to build a winner here. It might include some heartbreakers along the way, but I have no doubt that this team will eventually be a superbowl contender year in and year out, maybe as soon as 2011. If given the choice…would you
A. Keep Tamba, but remain a team that can’t quite get there or….
B. Trade Tamba and become Dynasty
I think a lot of people would have a very hard time answering that question. It’s also the reason in all honesty, that I’m glad I don’t have to make the hard decisions. That’s what Pioli is paid to do.
by ChiefJamesthe2nd on Jul 29, 2011 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions
So all we have to do is trade Tamba to become a Dynasty?
No. not that easy sorry
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 29, 2011 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude
Explain to me how this makes us a dynasty? It makes us lack any type of pass rush what-so-ever. Wanna become a dynasty? Sign Hali, Carr, Flowers, and Bowe long term. Then bring in Franklin and some depth, maybe an ILB/RT and draft well.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
I assume you were talking to James not me since I was mocking him
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 29, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
The amount of posts would be ridiculous, we would overload circuits and wires in the Thorman basement
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 29, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Terrible idea.
it makes perfect sense
No actually, it doesn’t.
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Would you mind giving me your reasoning....
I believe what I said DOES makes perfect sense, and gave lots of info that supports that. Saying no it doesn’t because I said it doesn’t is a bit of an unfair debate. Don’t you think? :)
by ChiefJamesthe2nd on Jul 29, 2011 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Thats a fair request.
Hayneworth doesn’t want to play NT in the 3-4 defense, that was the main reason for his hissy fit all last year. Im sure NE understands that and isn’t going to have him do that. Also he’s not 3-4 NT material. He’s big and strong yes, but the NT position calls for more than that. You need to be an unselfish player willing to let others get the stats and glory, Hayneworth is not that guy. Also he’s not the anchor in the middle that a NT needs to be, Hoodie Im sure recognizes that. In the scenario you outlined we would be losing a dominant pass rusher and gaining a dominant NT. I think we dont need a dominant NT to have a dominant defense, an above average-good NT paired with a dominant pass rusher is better for a defense than a dominant NT with an above average- good pass rusher.
The two rarest elite skill sets in football are an elite pass rusher and an elite QB. When you have one you shouldn’t trade it away unless you have something proven waiting in the wings (Brees and Phyillis Rivers, Favre and Rodgers, Jarred Allen and ? ), we had no one who could be replace Allen and our defense was decimated that year. Lets get a NT in FA without taking away our best player on either side of the ball, Franklin, Gregg and Williams are still available.
I apologize for my earlier post BTW. I can see how that might have come off as dickish but please understand that wasn’t my intent.
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 29, 2011 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
Jarred Allen and ? ), we had no one who could be replace Allen and our defense was decimated that year.
Huh? We had Tamba Hali.
Unless you’re admitting that Tamba, aside from last season, was a mediocre (read: not a dominate) pass rusher that has bloomed under Crennel’s tutalidge.
In which case, there’s no reason to think Houston, Sheffield, or Studdebaker can’t develop.
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by Texas Chief on Jul 29, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
But there's no way to know that they will.
And Tamba didn’t specifically bloom under Crennel’s tutelage. He was quite good under Clancy Pendergast, and for two of the three years he spend under Gunther for that matter. It was really just that first year after Jared Allen that he struggled. Likely because he wasn’t used to being the Chiefs’ only pass rushing threat.
There’s no denying that Tamba’s best year came under Crennel. But he was a special player before Romeo got here.
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He was slightly above average at best before the change to the 3-4 and addition of Crennel.
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by Texas Chief on Jul 29, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I think people forget how teams just ran the ball strong-side at Hali at LDE.
I didn’t think that was because Hali was bad against the run, so much as he was bad against the run as a DE. Gunther then wasted a lot of time looking for pass rush from the DT spot, like he had from O’Neal back in the San Diego days. In fact, he instigated bringing O’Neal to KC, and his D-lines, imo, were always undersized, once Big Sal was gone.
would of ≠ would've
Texas Chief
One of your previous posts was absolutely amazing. I am now wondering if you plagiarized it. Zone D fails without pass rush. I can’t blieve you would think that some rookies are going to step up.
Pick 21: OLB Justin Houston
Pick 30: C Rodney Hudson
Pick 86: NT Kenrick Ellis. (Ellis in the 3rd = Taylor in the 1st + 1st round pick).
Problems solved. Please forget about Phil Taylor.
And I can't believe that you think there would be no pass rush without Hali
Hali was a mediocre pass rusher his first couple years here.
Then the year after Allen left.. he was just flat out awful.
Since then he’s been slightly above average.
The hiring of Crennel coincided with upturn of Hali into something more than a slightly below to slightly above average pass rusher.
I’d say if Hali left (and I hope he doesn’t BTW) Crennel would be capable of creating ‘slightly above average’ pass rushers out of 2 or 3 guys on the roster. We may not have a monster, but we’d still have a pass rush.
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Almost agree, but replace mediocre with pretty good, awful with "on an awful team" and
slightly above to league-leading.
would of ≠ would've
We obviously had a body who could replace Allen
But no one who could replace his production, that was my point. Crennel definitely brought Tamba to the best we’ve seen him (scheme changed helped too) but relying on Crennel to do that again with what is basically two rookies and one Studebaker is unrealistic. I dont think trading away our best player (on either side of the ball) is a good idea. Lets go spend the money for a dominant NT in FA and keep our dominant pass rusher where he is. And maybe you’re right and Crennel can turn Houston, Stude or Sheffield into a great pass rusher, in that case we can have two dominant pass rushers and one dominant NT.
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 30, 2011 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Why trade Tamba when we could have Franklin and Tamba?
Sign Aubrayo Franklin: Sign Nick Barnett: Sign Le'ron Mcclain
Sign Shaun Smith: Sign Brandon Carr: that's all I ask.
by Theblind Tiger on Jul 29, 2011 6:45 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Very rec-worthy
Not to mention we already got the successor on the roster in Powe
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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 29, 2011 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The 49ers want to kepp Franklin. The Chiefs would like to aquire him.
The issue is his contract.
There just aren’t that many true zero tech NT’s available. So I’m just sure Franklin’s agent is working off the Vince Wilfork/Hiloti Naghta (I can’t spell that) contracts.
I would assume the Chiefs aren’t willing to invest that much in a 2 down player (Franklin isn’t Wilfork. He’s not a 3 down NT) And I would further assume that the 49ers don’t want to pay that kind of money for him either.
Which means a couple teams are interested, but neither one wants to pay Franklin ‘Vince Wilfork’ money.
Tat’s my best guess on the delay of any news about Franklin. And it also would lead me to believe that Franklin isn’t a sure thing to come to the Chiefs by any stretch. The Chiefs and 49ers are in a competition of who can offer just enough to get the guy to sign, without overpaying for a 2 down player.
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by Texas Chief on Jul 29, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
or maybe the Chiefs and Gregg have already agreed to a 3 year deal and are keeping it quiet
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by PVChiefsfan on Jul 29, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I really hope that's it
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Hmmm. If they did that, they could (and maybe should?) sign another FANT.
For all I know, though, they’re trying to put together a sign-and-trade of Houston for Brace. They could use another pass rusher and Haynesworth gives them two of the biggest names in the game at NT.
I know I’ve been including Houston in all my machinations on KC D, but the one guy I kinda wished we’d picked back in ’09 suddenly being a Chief, after learning the game from Belichick… I know. If Brace is any good, they would want to keep him for the long term.
I’ve been wishing for Wilfork, or somebody like him, since first hearing KC was going to the 3-4. Other than Powe, KC’s been pretty silent on that front, and it’s hard to say that spending a 6th round pick is striking up the band.
would of ≠ would've
Tigers got it
No point in moving Tamba while there are still adequate NT options still available. I’d rather have a pass rusher than a gap plugger. it’s a pass happy league, pass rush is vastly more important.
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by Kuhmmish on Jul 29, 2011 7:11 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
pushing the pocket up the middle IS a pass rush.
It not only plugs run gaps, but it takes away a QB’s ability to step up into the pocket and avoid the outside rush; the exact thing Flacco did to us in the playoffs.
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by Texas Chief on Jul 29, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Well that i understand
But there’s a difference in 4 sacks in a 9 year career and what Tamba can supply. Getting there is the best kind of pass rush. Yes, to get true sack production out of the NT is rare, you’re 3-4 NT’s rarely put up huge sack totals, but that’s part of the position. I’m just simply saying i wouldnt trade true sacks from Hali for pocket pressure from Wilfork. IF we do snag up Franklin then you have the most ideal situation with both guys wreaking Havoc.
Thank the tiny infant baby Jesus we will have football!!!!!
If Houston wasn't a rookie I could see that before Hali.
Let NE put up with the growing pains while we get good years out of VW. No way on Hali.
Yes
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When speaking with Josh @ 65TPT, I alluded to the fact that all the higher paid players
were addressed in this last draft,……Bowe—-Baldwin,……….Waters——Hudson,…………..Hali—-Houston,……………Dorsey——-Bailey………………Carr or Flowers———Brown………Cassel——-Stanzi,….In the NFL, almost every player has a price, and if the price is right, thats when player movement is done.
Hudson will be a center not guard
Not one of those is proven yet, way to early to say they are replacements
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 29, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Asamoah's still cheaper than Waters.
But Hudson is still from that interior line position group. The one leaves. The other enters.
Waters quickly landed somewhere else for $2.5 million. Kinda makes me think the Chiefs weren’t willing to spend that much on him, even though I always felt like Waters could stick in KC if he wanted. Apparently they didn’t put up any kind of fight for him, which hopefully means they think Asamoah is ready. Let’s not forget,
… NFL talent evaluators took notice. Rated the second-best offensive guard prospect eligible for the 2010 draft, he was one of three Illini to receive an NFL Scouting Combine invitation.
Of course, the invite didn’t turn out very well for Asamoah, but we’re looking at the #2-rated OG from thee 2010 draft class. If this guy isn’t ready to start, then the Chiefs didn’t know what they were doing. They may even start looking pretty dominant, after the 2nd-rounder from 2011 starts asserting himself, which one ought to expect sooner, rather than later.
I wonder if they flat-out told Waters that they expected Asamoah to give him the toughest battle of his career, or even that they expected Asamoah to BE the starter by the end of camp.
would of ≠ would've
Thats what I was thinking when I heard Waters was gone
Waters said it was a mutual thing first thing I thought of was Waters didn’t want to fight for his job
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 30, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope, he's a 2nd round drafted OG for the left side,, and Asamoah is a 3rd rd choice for the RT OG
I can see addressing the OC in the future, but a team doesn’t draft a 2nd rounder to be a back-up.
Asamoah was a RG throughout college.
So you think Hudson waltzes right past Asamoah to Waters’ spot, or do you think Lilja just got demoted to backup?
would of ≠ would've
Wrong
We had no idea Casey was going to be back this year, Hudson is the best ZBS center prospect in the draft and we snagged him.
Asamoah is going to be a starting guard going into the season and Hudson will take over for Casey during the season
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 29, 2011 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
And at practice they have Lilja at LG and Asamoah at RG
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They will switch it up til they find the best combo
I’m going to say Asamoah on the left, Lilja on the right.
I don’t like having possibly Hudson/Asamoah/BRich on the right side, tooooo young
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 29, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmm.
Going by past history, Lilja’s played a lot more LG and Asamoah’s played a lot more RG. I can see where they’d want to get quicker at LG and bigger at RG this year…
would of ≠ would've
Yeah I just wouldn't like going into the season or during the season
Basically having 2 rookies(Hudson and Asamoah) and then BRich who would basically be in his second year all on 1 side of the line
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 30, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I can see Tamba, Carr, Flowers, etc
Getting contracts mid season like DJ and JC did last year. We have til the end of the year to spend all the Cap cash, no reason to get all bent out of shape over it right now
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 29, 2011 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
but
tamba doesn’t like to do contract talk in the middle of the year. Maybe Carr and Flowers though.
I think Carr deserves a pay day soon though—the kid is getting peanuts (in NFL standards) and might develop some anger towards management for not being rewarded this offseason with a good contract.
Not saying it isn’t the Pioli way—just saying I hope to have Tamba and Carr wrapped up before the year because of the reasons stated above.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Jul 29, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Tamba was under contract when he said he would leave the talks til the off season
He is going to have a 1 year ‘contract’ from the Tag, completely different things.
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 29, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I read that
they couldn’t extend Hali last year anyway, because of a rule in the old CBA’s optout year, which limited what they could pay him.
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With the contract Asomugha signed, I think the number shifted in Pioli's favor.
Not nearly as much guaranteed money as people anticipated for Asomugha’s services.
Meanwhile, other top corners are quickly finding new homes, and it looks like Carr’s going to end up re-signing.
would of ≠ would've
I assume you are responding to me yet can't reply to keep the convo in one place for some reason
Casey really slowed down last year as did Waters, Casey is going to be the perfect mentor for Hudson and that could be the reason he wanted extra cash. He knows he will not be starting the whole season and keeping his snap streak going, why not get paid extra to be a part time position coach?
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 29, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 29, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
And did Casey really "demand" extra cash?
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 29, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Our OLBs are way too young
Look for Tamba to be trade bait in a couple years if some any of these youngsters pan out and show a more well-rounded game than Tamba…but to trade our best pass rusher now would not be “Hoodie-like” it would be “King Carl-like” and I don’t think we want to have to watch Tamba AND Jared Allen wreaking havoc in the NFL for other teams.
There are still NT options in FA to get the young NTs up to speed.
Sry, had to leave,...
But why put a LG in college as a center, when drafted in the 2nd round. The Chiefs knew that they were going to cut Waters, and found a replacement for him. With that, I can possibly see a FA pick-up for a versitile interior Lineman that can play both OC and OG, so Hudson can replace Waters.
Asamoah replaces Waters as stated
Hudson replaces Casey as stated.
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 29, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
BAMF. How is ^ not common knowledge?
Pick 21: OLB Justin Houston
Pick 30: C Rodney Hudson
Pick 86: NT Kenrick Ellis. (Ellis in the 3rd = Taylor in the 1st + 1st round pick).
Problems solved. Please forget about Phil Taylor.
Cause Asamoah is I guess going to replace Cassel
As Hudson is going to guard and we will get another center?
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 29, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Hudson went to Guard, Asamoah to LT and Albert to FB
his natural postion
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Forgot about us finally switching Albert to his natural position, good catch
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 29, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Awful idea
That is Peterson logic. He thought the only reason to produce talent was to trade it away for draft picks and post-prime vets. The Royals do the same crap. You need your talent on your team, not someone else. furthermore, the premium on Hali’s position makes it even worse an idea. Elite pass rushers don’t grow on trees.
Chiefs DID stock up on 'tweeners.
So it does look like a possibility for prying a good NT away from somebody. Pretty sure Hali wouldn’t be the 1st to go, though.
would of ≠ would've
Actually, you might be on to something
The past few days of rumors suggested the Chiefs were looking at Jason Babin (maybe others). That made me think perhaps the Chiefs and Detroit (Gunther) were looking at something. I’m not saying I want to trade Hali but the signs point to the fact some type of trade for Hali has been discussed and the Patriot connection is still strong . . .
No. You are wrong
Won’t happen.
Pick 21: OLB Justin Houston
Pick 30: C Rodney Hudson
Pick 86: NT Kenrick Ellis. (Ellis in the 3rd = Taylor in the 1st + 1st round pick).
Problems solved. Please forget about Phil Taylor.
It won't happen!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chiefs will sign Aubrayo Franklin-stein to fill our startiing NT spot and coach up Powe…
And the way the Pats are going, I hope they offer Larry Freakin’ Johnson a contract!!!
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No.
I really don’t want to be upset or angry anymore this off season. Losing Tamba would be sickening.
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Or....
We could keep Tamba and sign Franklin. So, yeah, I’d be pretty pissed if they traded Tamba for Wilfork when we could just pay to get Franklin.
Not intending to be rude
But I think this the worst idea I have seen in a very long time… Why would we trade an elite pass rusher (also our only PROVEN pass rusher) in his prime for a NT? We have NO idea how productive any of our other outside linebackers can be. I think this would be one of the worst trades in Chiefs history… I dont see why fans always want to trade our talent away. Talent is what we need.
by LookListenLearn on Jul 29, 2011 1:48 PM CDT reply actions
No offense,
but I am sooooo glad you are not the GM. Tamba may not even have hit his prime yet. If the Pats let Wilfork go, you better believe that he is declining. Were you a fan when we had no pass rush?
"If ifs mattered, everyone would be undefeated." Enite
I was a fan
And that shit was depressing!
by LookListenLearn on Jul 29, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Seymour's played very well since moving on.
Part of Belichick’s magic is not bullshitting anybody.
Doesn’t mean I’m advocating a trade, either. Just that I’d feel pretty damn good about Wilfork moving to the midwest.
But I wouldn’t be at ALL surprised if Belichick wants to do something similar to what the Ravens are doing. I think Haynesworth would have a blast playing LDE or RDE next to Wilfork. Haynesworth’s a real disrupter in the middle, but having a pair of monster DTs in the middle would let Belichick get away with going a little smaller and quicker at some other positions, like either one or both SSLB spots..
would of ≠ would've
Let's trade Charles, Tamba, and Flowers
For Belichick and Eleventeen 1sts
Thank the tiny infant baby Jesus we will have football!!!!!
You can't trade someone who's not under contract, and it's a terrible idea to trade your one legit pass rusher.
Plus Haynesworth isn’t a 3-4 NT, he plays RDE in the 3-4. So the pats would be stupid to trade Wilfork, who is the anchor of their d-line.
by ChiefDailyBaked on Jul 29, 2011 3:31 PM CDT reply actions
Can Joel change user names?
If he can, then I dub thee…
ChiefJamestheTambaTrader
And no way should we trade Tamba. I’m not sure I’d trade Tamba for Tom Brady… well OK maybe for Tom Brady.
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HAHAHHAA That ^
was some funny Stuff. ChiefJamestheTambaTrader
Wasn’t the last post something like “Trade Tamba Hali!!!!”
Pick 21: OLB Justin Houston
Pick 30: C Rodney Hudson
Pick 86: NT Kenrick Ellis. (Ellis in the 3rd = Taylor in the 1st + 1st round pick).
Problems solved. Please forget about Phil Taylor.
Let's think here....
I have been trying to guess at who Chief James could be. Hmmm. Who would benefit the most from us trading Tamba? Maybe he is Andy Studebaker? wanting a shot at the strong side. Or Maybe he is Al Davis? I know who would love for us to trade Tamba……
Ryan Clady!
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Red light?
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jul 29, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
... in the name of love ♫
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
The Go-Go's
♫ we got the beat ♪ ♪
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Chief James, still a great post
to stir conversation. That is what I think I find good about this post.
Pick 21: OLB Justin Houston
Pick 30: C Rodney Hudson
Pick 86: NT Kenrick Ellis. (Ellis in the 3rd = Taylor in the 1st + 1st round pick).
Problems solved. Please forget about Phil Taylor.
look at the qb's around the nfl
And ask your self will fork or tamba? Look at the qb’s we face this year and ask your self will fork or tamba?And as for your 40+sack thing look at how many we had without your so called NT.
I'm not necessarily pro the trade; however, I see more 'tweeners around to rush the passer than I do legit NTs.
That’s the only thing.
But as others have said, above, if trading a pass rusher for a NT, there are other ‘tweeners I’d look at trading, first. I’m not necessarily looking for flash from the NT, or a big name, as long as he can play the position up to RAC requirements.
would of ≠ would've
hes too clutch, hes not an off field distraction...in fact you never hear from him, I love that
not to mention he plays through injuries, and leads through his physical play.
id be upset
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
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