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In September of 2008, 3-Time Super Bowl Champion Quarterback Tom Brady suffered an unexpected knee injury, preventing him from playing for the entire season (thank you Bernard Pollard). That injury suddenly made then-backup Matt Cassel the starter for the New England Patriots. Cassel went on to make 327 completions for 3,693 yards, 21 Touchdowns, and 11 Interceptions. For a backup, his play at the position was remarkable, and he was ultimately rewarded with the starting job for the Kansas City Chiefs.

In the season that followed, however, Cassel's play was for the most part underwhelming. After throwing for just 2,924 yards and only 16 Touchdowns (and just as many Interceptions) in 2009, many Chiefs fans clamored for Cassel's replacement. The argument against him was that before his wonder-season in New England, he hadn't been the starting QB since he was in High School, sitting as a backup in USC behind Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart for his entire College Campaign.

Star-divide

In Cassel's defense, he didn't really have the same receiving core that he did in New England. As a Patriot, Matt threw footballs to the likes of Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Benjamin Watson. The only Chiefs receiver in 2009 that could truly have been called talented was Dwayne Bowe, but not only did he miss four games that season for an NFL drug violation, he didn't play all that great in the games he was in (589 yards, 4 TDs for the season).

Last season showed great improvement both in Cassel and in Bowe. With the #1 ranked Running Game in the League, most opposing defenses were too focused on stopping Running Backs Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones to worry about Cassel's seemingly mediocre play. Cassel took full advantage, making 262 completions for 3,116 Yards, 27 Touchdowns (15 of which were to Bowe), and only 7 Interceptions. He played almost as well as he did in New England,  being 577 yards shy of his mark as a Patriot, and easily eclipsing his Touchdown to Interception ratio (1.909-to-1 in 2008, and 3.857-to-1 in 2010 not counting the Postseason).

At first it seemed that Cassel's game had really improved, but all that changed in the final two games of the season against the Raiders and the Ravens. When the Chiefs offense stepped on the field in those games, the opposing defenses spent all their attention stopping Bowe and the Running game. Without a talented receiver to throw to or a potent Running Game to rely on, Cassel once again seemed woefully inept, with the combined results of 29 completions for 185 yards, 0 Touchdowns, 5 Interceptions and 8 sacks between the two games.

So basically my point is this; based on all of the aforementioned information, it is my personal opinion that when Matt Cassel has a talented receiving core to throw to, he plays pretty well. But when those receivers are either taken out of the picture (or never there to begin with), his play declines drastically. Because I believe this, I have been a supporter of Cassel since he arrived in Kansas City despite his mostly lousy 2009 campaign, arguing that we can't expect Cassel to play well when he has no one to throw to.

This year, however, Matt has no excuses not to play just as well (if not better) than he did in New England. In 2011, Cassel will be able to throw to Dwayne Bowe, Jonathan Baldwin, Tony Moeaki, Jamaal Charles, Dexter McCluster, and now (apparently), Steve Breaston; all of which are legitimate playmakers to some respect. Furthermore, Cassel has a sturdy veteran offensive line in the form of Casey Wiegmann, Brian Waters, Branden Albert, Barry Richardson, Rodney Hudson, and Jon Asamoah. Though not the best offensive line in the league, the Chiefs line has shown they can protect the Quarterback at least efficiently. Also, the Chiefs brought in Jim Zorn to coach Cassel and to further develop him. Everything around Cassel is designed to bring out the best in his abilities.

If Matt Cassel still can't play well with an offense that talented around him, he has no one to blame but himself. General Manager Scott Pioli and Head Coach Todd Haley have done everything in their power to place Cassel in an environment where he can play well. Now don't get me wrong, I am a Cassel supporter; I think he has the potential to lead us deeper into the playoffs and eventually the Super Bowl. But my time of defending his QB play is now at an end. And if he still can't play as good as he did in New England, then I think we can safely conclude that his 2008 Patriots campaign was nothing more than a one-season wonder.

All of this, of course, is merely my personal opinion. What do you guys think?

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Yes.

And if he fails, it’s a great set of weapons for another QB to step into.

by u2nspenserfan on Jul 28, 2011 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Stanzi.

Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011

by ArrowSpread on Jul 28, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yuck Foo

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 28, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

is that another UDFA that I haven't heard about of?

must be Sum Yung Boi from a (far) Eastern University

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by upamtn on Jul 28, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gefilte Fish

Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011

by ArrowSpread on Jul 28, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lansman!

… and don’t forget the horseradish

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by upamtn on Jul 28, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree.

Though not the best offensive line in the league, the Chiefs line has shown they can protect the Quarterback at least efficiently.

Branden Albert, Casey Weigmann, Ryan Lilja and Barry Richardson were all in the bottom 10 at their position in pass protection at their position.

4 out 5 KC lineman can’t pass block. Don’t hold your breath for a lot of deep balls.

by Aesthetist on Jul 28, 2011 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Based on what?

Chiefs gave up 32 sacks which was tied for 12th in the NFL.
I’m not holdhing my breath for alot of deep balls, but it has nothing to do with the O-line

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by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice read

Pioli has not bought in YET

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Alexander faced elephants without any elephants of his own.

Hard to say where the speed-versus-power tipping point is found. There’s more than one way to skin a cat. It’s great to have a middle that forms an unshakeable pivot for your defense, but the stronger of a pivot it is, the less it likes running from sideline to sideline. All it might take is Cassel having that one more area throw available, and a larger area, to boot. Or having that one more guy who runs a great route and wins the tie for the ball.

Football games last about 3 hours. After 2 hours, the elephants were limping off the field, exhausted, and suddenly Alexander’s heavy cavalry were the biggest, baddest players on the field, and the victory was total. Heh. You’d think the team with elephants would have the edge on a sloppy field…

While the roll-out might be the changeup for SOME teams, the straight drop might (ought?) to be the changeup for the Chiefs, working mainly because your style of play conditioned the D away from bull-rushing up the gut.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 28, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Based on the above statement

that 4 out of 5 were in the bottom 10 at their position in pass protection.
We had a lot of three step drops. The offense got the ball out quick because that is all we could do. I have been a little concerned about it. I hope it’s better.

Pick 21: OLB Justin Houston
Pick 30: C Rodney Hudson
Pick 86: NT Kenrick Ellis. (Ellis in the 3rd = Taylor in the 1st + 1st round pick).
Problems solved. Please forget about Phil Taylor.

by Kblomfiee on Jul 28, 2011 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm concerned about those plays when Cassel escapes the initial pressure, looks down the field, and decides to run.

Sure, there are times when the QB puts the question, the LB and/or S chooses to COVER, and the QB picks up some yards with his feet. But when he gets that much time, there needs to be a completion. I’m more optimistic about there being someone open when that happens this year. Baldwin doesn’t have to do much more than use his big frame and big catching radius to give Cassel better options than he had last year.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 28, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I rode Cassel pretty hard for half the season, and (I thought) rightfully so ...

in time I “made my peace” with the guy and his play … superlative? no, but a damn sight better than 2009 and even early on in 2010 … here’s the deal: in my mind, Cassel lacked (lacks? time will tell) the ability to make good reads all over the field and the ability to throw with precision on the left side, especially deep

last year Weis & Co made sure he was on a fast 3-step drop, a quick look to his primary target and bing! bang! boom! get rid of it fast … this year, if he’s learned the system (and he’s had more than enough time to do so) he should be on a standard 5-step drop and read with time to look at both primary and secondary targets … if he can do that successfully and can throw to his left with any degree of precision and timliness, he and the team could be in for a wondrous season … if he can’t do that, the additions of Baldwin and Breaston may be as helpful as Chris Chambers was last year

if Cassel is any kind of a decent QB he pretty much has to be on that standard 5-step drop and read pattern … anything less will pretty much show me that the team has little to no faith in his ability to do more and be more than an average caretaker, and we’ll have to rely on Jamaal Charles racking up insane yardage once again to keep the hounds off of Matt Cassel

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by upamtn on Jul 28, 2011 4:47 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I think that a big problem is

the O linemen. We have smaller guys that are great for the zone blocking scheme for jamaal, but it really hurts with long pass play protection. they are actually small in comparison to many O’line in th league.

2011 NFL Draft: Bring on the fatty's!

by fleetmarine on Jul 28, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

they are small compared to some, and compared to some DLines as we saw last year

that’s the trade-off you have to accept for getting mobility is that you give up size … Haley wants this ZB scheme with and OLine that’s “quick” and more mobile, that’s what he has … but you lose something in terms of sheer power

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by upamtn on Jul 28, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec ups

It is a process to upgrade the offensive line with mobile huge men

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure they need to get bigger.

I hope and expect we’ll see something more aggressive at OT than we’ve seen thus far, but the skill positions just got a big boost. Same-or-better O-Line as last year, plus the new skill players, and I feel pretty good about this O-Line they have getting the job done, especially with 2nd-year Asamoah and 1st-year Hudson waiting in the wings. We have guys I’d feel pretty good about bringing in if one of the vets had a problem, and who may help prevent the vets having problems by getting some 4th quarter playing time, with the Chiefs sitting on

Jonathan Joseph to Houston Texans!

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 28, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

the UDFA's have some talent and some size

I saw that Butch Lewis is a Guard
Mims is bigger than Richardson
Ingersoll and Harr

The thought process seems to point to long term and anything won in the current season is a bonus

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's important for the D to create that central stronghold,

but at what point is powering-up to defeat that stronghold no longer worth the trouble? Or why not just be good eNOUGH to run the freakin’ legs off anybody big enough to manhandle you. KC commonly made NTs irrelevant just by running around them last season. Give Cassel big targets for area throws on both flanks – CHECK, and again, make those ginormous NTs irrelevant and enjoy a power advantage against the guys quick enough to cause Cassel problems in space.

You can always go back to something more straight ahead if defenses go smaller and quicker against your original offense.

In sum, what I saw last year was a VERY well-coached O-Line comprised of some good, smart linemen. The weak link was still the passing game on the skill player end of things. You have to make ‘em pay on the back end when they blitz you. KC went from 4-12 to 10-6 because Cassel-to-Bowe made teams pay on the back end. Cassel-to-? was why that division-winning record didn’t culminate in playoff victory.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 28, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

We did run the legs off a lot of teams

The line did was VERY well-coached and comprised of some good, smart linemen.

Waters, Wiegs and Lilja are some of the craftiest old vets in the business. But we’re running with the big boys now, we have to have more targets and give Matt time for them to get open. Another receiver might have won us the Baltimore game but sure-as-shit not the Super Bowl.

In a down by six, 4th quarter two minute drill a lot of teams aren’t going to have a NT in there at all. But we need a line that handle a zone blitz from anywhere long enough for Matt to hit his guys and be a hero.

Jamaal Charles can win a lot of games, but you need a QB who win games for you in the playoffs and not even Tom Terrific can save the best season ever if the Giants don’t give him time to throw.

by Aesthetist on Jul 28, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It seems pretty clear that they're attacking it from the perimeter player end of things, after doing little @

WR the first two seasons.

I saw too many times when defenses could blitz without being punished for it with the quick pass. When defenses can get away with that shit, your O-Line starts looking worse against the 3- and 4-man rush, too, because they’re hesitating, because the blitz got inside their heads, and they’re blocking shadows. Some of that slack needs to (and wasn’t) picked up by skill players versus the blitz.

Anyway, I’m a big fan of bigger O-Lines, but it doesn’t look like it’s part of the plan, and I’m not sure it has to be.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 28, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Almost there curmudgeon.

I’ll give you until the Super Bowl to get your mind right.

After that, I’m gonna start telling you to get your dirt out of the bosses hole. Dig?

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 28, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

the Super Bowl? fair enough ...

who’s playing?

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by upamtn on Jul 28, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Buffalo and Detroit

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 28, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice!

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by upamtn on Jul 28, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Throwing to the left side the way you want is less a matter of fine motor control by the QB and more a matter of

“That’s MY ball!” attitude and ability by the WR. QBs RARELY make that pass with great precision. About all the best QBs are doing in that regard is seeing the 1-on-1 and trusting the guy on the receiving end to make the play or prevent the INT on all throws to the general vicinity.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 28, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

F Scott?

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by upamtn on Jul 28, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

In my younger and more vulnerable years

my father gave me some advice that I’ve been turning over in my mind ever since.

“Whenever you feel like criticizing any one,” he told me, “just remember that all the quarterbacks in this world haven’t had the receivers that you’ve had.”

"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan

by MtHammer on Jul 28, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at Eli Manning without Plaxico.

Look at Favre, in Atlanta, before being joined by Brooks and Freeman in Green Bay. Goes from loose cannon to All Pro overnight.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 28, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's the over/under on comments in this thread over the next few weeks?

I’m gonna say 300.

"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan

by MtHammer on Jul 28, 2011 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Well

I don’t agree with the phrasing of this sentence

And if he still can’t play as good as he did in New England, then I think we can safely conclude that his 2008 Patriots campaign was nothing more than a one-season wonder.

it should be

And if he still can’t play as good well as he did in New England, then I think we can safely conclude that his 2008 Patriots campaign was nothing more than a one-season wonder.

Awesome post and rec The Green Tomahawk :)

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2011 5:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Steve, you finally got your degree in Language Arts? :-)

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by upamtn on Jul 28, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

and so it goes :-)

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by upamtn on Jul 28, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

But you still have to capitalize the 'A' ;-)

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 28, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm. I go by how clear the mesg is.

When the meaning’s clear, I leave off the grammar police gear.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 28, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

And sorry about that, I didn’t notice.

by The Green Tomahawk on Jul 29, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely agree

But by the sound of it already, I guarantee the Cassel die-hards will blame the o-line if he falters. I hope Cassel kills it this year, but there are no more excuses.

by drew.bouchard on Jul 28, 2011 6:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe if Richardson takes an obvious step backwards, rather than continuing to make progress.

But I think the talent level of the WR corps just got a big boost. There will be more people screaming at Cassel if he doesn’t make his throws.

I think they need to abandon most of the standard drop-back passing. Roll the QB/pocket side to side to a greater or lesser degree ‘most all day long, play-faking virtually every time you pass. I’d have the KC O-Line slanting and doing their version of “the fence” to one side or the other, but based on getting into their blocking assignment on the move and at an angle, rather than just going toe-to-toe from a standstill. I mean, kudos to Wiegs for doing just that against Aubrayo Franklin last year, but Garay manhandled Wiegs pretty good (Sorry, Steve. I meant “well.”)

Teach those DTs we face that they’re going to have to pursue down the line all day, and that we don’t CARE whether they can stand up our guys at the line. We’re not even going to try it. Then we CAN try it, with that pesky NT voluntarily taking that first step side-to-side, the one time we WANT to blast straight ahead and REALLY mess with their minds (Denver versus Green Bay. Denver wins.).

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 28, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

we're gonna play action like crazy this year

But who is going to buy on Jamaal Charles off-tackle run on 3rd and 11?

by Aesthetist on Jul 28, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh. 3rd-and-11 isn't good for ANY offense.

I think the idea is to avoid those as much as possible. And Haley’s not afraid to run a screen or a draw in that situation, because Charles and McCluster CAN get the first if you spread the defense out and get either one of ’em the ball in space.

And if the D leaves its elephants on the field in 3rd-and-11, I’m still moving Cassel around, and STILL play-faking, even if it’s stupid for the LB to bite, Jamaal can make ‘em bite ANYway. More likely, though, the D goes into nickel in that situation, and it’s not about elephants, anymore.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 28, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come at me bro

"Stay Classy Kansas City"

by Mas Cervezas on Jul 28, 2011 6:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Ahem.

Jeez. Another post about how Cassel had better get with the program or it’s time for him to go. It’s just a nicer way of saying that they don’t think Cassel has the goods. I wonder if he subscribes to Mellingers point of view that we need to wait until a really bad loss to ‘crush’ our QB? Matt Cassel is exactly what the doctor ordered for the Chiefs. Pioli knows it, Haley knows it and Cassel knows it. It just happens that there are still alot of fans that don’t know it.

Read it, accept it and begin to understand what’s happening. Look elsewhere for issues. Pioli and Haley chose our QB long before any other position on the team.

Darth Vader: I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Go Chiefs!!

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 28, 2011 7:00 PM CDT reply actions  

And may I ask

When have you ever heard Matt Cassel make an excuse? I don’t think it exists.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 28, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are right AD, Cassel don't make excuses. Truth on this issue will be seen this season

I am a firm believer he is gonna knock some people out with how good he is. Everyone gets all het up about the deep ball, and it is part of the game and we will see some, probably not a lot. Breaston was a huge pickup, he knows how to get open and, AND, catch the ball. The team is better all across the board except for the line play. Yes we need to pass block better, and plug the middle of the line better, but our skill set at the playmaking positions have been much improved in the last couple of years. Perehaps the brain trust thinks we can overcome these shortcomings with really good play makers, we shall see. As for Cassell, I am 100 % in his camp of fans. From what I hear his fellow teammates are fans as well.

by dubld on Jul 28, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that's the thing, right there.

Kind of like using a pair of jacks and a bunch of 2-by-4s to build a scaffold. You get nowhere just working one jack or the other. You have to raise both ends if you want to raise the platform.

I always talk about getting OL first, then the rest, but a smarter man (for instance, Pioli) appears to try to get better across the board, a little at a time.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 28, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've learned that 65tosspowertrap's "By dubld:" in his subject lines is REALLY good for clearing-up

confusion about what you’re replying to, especially when some dumb sonsofbitches add an entire subthread in between your reply and the thing you’re replying to.

Any time I’m not THE #1 guy to reply to a com, I tend to include the commenter’s name in the subject line.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 30, 2011 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aiken, I don't remember the OP'er saying that Cassel made excuses ...

… but I most certainly remember all the excuses SOME people made FOR him when he was doing a pretty bad job early last year and the year before

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by upamtn on Jul 28, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah exactly.

And I was one of those people. But not anymore.

by The Green Tomahawk on Jul 29, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

They were not excuses if they panned out as REASONS

It looks from Matt’s performance last year in comparison to the previous one that he is at least owed the benefit of the doubt. Carry on as you will, oh seer of gloom and doom. The Ides of March are long since past and Cassel remains. What more of magic do you require?

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 29, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Ups, I'd say it's pretty clear what Pioli and Co. thought THE weak link was, with the Baldwin pick and

the Breaston signing. Bringing in Kevin Curtis for the playoff game (unfortunately singular) spoke volumes about where they thought they were..

As usual, it seems less aggressive than what other teams have done, especially now that we’ve seen some of the FA movement.

Could it be, possibly, that all us Cassel apologists actually see key weaknesses in the supporting cast that we feel are more important?

As a fairly longtime NFL watcher, I’ve seen tons of teams go on a QB-HB merry-go-round and never make progress, beyond us fans concluding that the organization sucks at choosing QB/HB, when the main problem with the org is they put QBs and HBs into situations that aren’t conducive to their success.

Guys like Aiken and I want to see the TEAM make more progress before making a final judgement on Cassel.

Have I seen things I’d like to have seen Cassel do differently? Yes. No question. BUT I see continual improvement from Cassel AND there are things – like forcing the ball into coverage against the 3-man rush – that a very good QB might do, especially if the pass rush has been getting to him on previous plays, and the one receiver he thinks has a chance to make a play on the ball zigs when Cassel thought he’d zag.

Do I wish that Cassel grasped the situation better? Sure I do. But after the D successfully sells him on the idea that quick pass is his main option, especially if they’re dirtying his jersey on a regular basis, these are the kinds of mistakes that are made. And what I see as the problem is his lack of a quick target when the DID blitz, earlier.

Pioli has made two fairly significant moves to address the problem from the WR direction. That’s why a ’Post entitled “No more excuses Matt!” is, while grammatically incorrect, quite timely.

Guys like Aiken and I are going to be putting Mattie under a microscope this season. Cassel is more likely than ever to

  1. win a playoff game
  2. be seen as THE weak link on an otherwise well-rounded team.

I personally feel that QBs that are good enough and can make all the throws are less rare than most fans think. Again, I come back to Kurt Warner, who was GREAT for a nice little stretch, but couldn’t win a job before, and lost his job not long after. Why? Because Vermeil built a great team as a platform for a strong-armed QB, and, as it deteriorated, someone younger, with better feet looked a lot better than Warner. What Martz missed was that Warner was the same guy, but the team wasn’t the same team…

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 30, 2011 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh god

Quit pimping your own material. Matt Cassel is a good QB, but throwing for 400 yards in garbage time isn’t why.

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by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It really grinds my gears when people pimp their own fanposts

"He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than a man" - Bill Shakespeare

by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 28, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure is funny

how Matt can get 400 yards in garbage time, plus two other 400 yard games and join a very small group of NFL QBS when others have the same chances year in and year out and just can’t do it. Amazing.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 29, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Luke, that's your father!
Darth Vader: I find your lack of faith disturbing

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by upamtn on Jul 28, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's cassels fault he gets sacked so much, when he had Moss and Welker he got sacked more times then kc's qbs combined.

He just holds onto the ball way too long, and doesnt make good quick decisions.

Moeaki was open plenty of times last yr, cassel was just to busy staring down Bowe to throw the ball to him. And when he did see him, the throw was late and the LB or S had time to make a play on it.

But now with all the weapons he has, he really has no excuse if he struggles this season. Oh wait, the excuse will be he missed Weis, and he didnt have all offseason to work with Zorn.

by ChiefDailyBaked on Jul 28, 2011 10:56 PM CDT reply actions  

cassel

will never lead us to the playoffs.

er wait.

by fongKC on Jul 29, 2011 7:24 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

He'll pick up speed

With the emergance of how good JC did this past season will help out Cassel a lot. People will have to have game plan for JC and throwing to our wide outs. He will have a great year this year I believe.

by Zahradnik11 on Jul 29, 2011 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Time will tell.

I hope he does. I’m just not convinced he will.

by chiefdan on Jul 29, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree. I'm not convinced he won't, either.

It’s wait-and-see.

We’ll see how quick Thomas Jones is this year, and see how much he figures into the gameplan. Myself, I think Cassel probably gets better situations in the passing game by having a really SPEEDY ‘back on the field. That’s one of the reasons I “secretly” would like to see another ’back like Sproles or Ahmad Bradshaw added to the mix, so that KC can just keep throwing speed and quickness on the field for 16+ games.

I almost hate saying this, because I’ve always been a RB-by-committee guy, more interested in versatility than in WOW factor. But watching how much better JC made the running game AND how freakin’ GOOD our O-Line is at playing to JC’s strengths, I’m looking at McCluster as the #2 and even at bringing in another greasy-quick HB, to give them some depth at LIGHTNING (which is why I’m interested in Bradshaw, in particular).

Nowadays, I’m still a RB-by-committee guy, even though I’m tilted towards the SPEED end of it. So the committee needs to have real speed in depth. I don’t want to see the #1 get injured, period, but I especially don’t want to see their whole game plan get turned upside-down if JC gets a hangnail, and I’m not at all convinced that Jones will be a big enough threat. If the WR acquisitions change the equation, maybe they can get by with RB-by-committee, with all-around RBs, who are a little closer to the mean. But the tempo of the offense is affected detrimentally any time JC or McCluster aren’t on the field.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 30, 2011 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cassel
Without a talented receiver to throw to or a potent Running Game to rely on, Cassel once again seemed woefully inept,

This describes all but about 3 or 4 QB’s in the league, doesn’t it?

by southsidekcfan on Jul 29, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Just my opinion there.

I personally think every Quarterback’s production drops when they don’t have good receivers or running games. It’s just a matter of how much it drops. Tom Brady only got 3,900 passing yards last season after Moss went to Minnesota (still good, but not the 4,000 fans come to expect), and Peyton Manning threw a lot more interceptions in 2010 after Clark and Collie went down. Cassel’s production on the other hand drops dramatically.

Again, just my opinion though.

by The Green Tomahawk on Jul 29, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're correct

Cassel is not as good as Brady or Manning.

But I think he’ll be pushing for the top 5 this season.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 29, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, as a Cassel apologist, I'll switch sides, and talk about...

… how Cassel is the logical product of a team that’s well-constructed.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 30, 2011 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

No offense...

but this is my pet peeve of AP. A group of players is a CORPS. Like the Marine Corps. While a CORE of receivers means the middle of them. I don’t think you meant that. Twice.

by Ozarks on Jul 29, 2011 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

No worries.

I’m a resident Cassel apologist. I think he’s the guy. You are certainly right… we’ll know more about his future in the NFL in about six months. I don’t expect Pioli to kep banging his head against the wall if he sucks this year. He’ll move quickly to upgrade. I wish him well.

by Ozarks on Jul 29, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ozarks ...

a central group of players or a foundation of something is a CORE

a “specific unit” … be it Marines or Running Backs … would be a CORPS

now that we have that settled, it’s a dead issue and it’s a CORPSE

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by upamtn on Jul 29, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cadre

Old Guard

skinning cats :)

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 29, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Corps does literally mean "body."

Ozarks is correct, but slightly inappropriate, in pointing out how often the two terms are misused here on AP.

Ozarks: Point taken, but netiquette questionable. As long as you can discern the meaning, my advice is to let it go. Use the terms correctly, and it’ll rub off on people. Don’t see the misuse as viral. Make proper use viral.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 30, 2011 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

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