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Drew Brees Uses 2009 Chiefs As Example Of Low-Spending Teams

New Orleans Saints QB and member of the NFLPA's executive committee, Drew Brees, wrote an email to his teammates on Saturday regarding the latest NFL lockout news and updates. Pro Football Talk obtained that email, which happens to mention the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs as an example of low-spending teams.

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"We cannot have teams like KC spend only 67% of the cap like they did in 2009.  It doesn't matter how high the cap is if they are only going to spend that much. So with a minimum in place, it requires all teams to be at or above that minimum.  More money in players pockets."

From the players' perspective, this is a good battle to take on because ultimately it means more money for the players, as Brees notes. And, as the organization representing the players, the NFLPA should try to get as much money for them as possible.   

But here's the thing though. The Chiefs reported salary cap numbers (as opposed to actual cash spent) were similar in 2009 and 2010. In 2009, they won four games and in 2010 they won 10 games. 

It goes to show you that money isn't the end-all, be-all in the NFL, as it is in other sports. Sure, it definitely matters, but money doesn't buy you championships and the money spent by the Chiefs in 2009 and 2010, relative to the number of wins in 2009 and 2010, helps demonstrate that.

I'm not saying the Chiefs shouldn't spend. They should, and they will. But the more money you spend doesn't necessarily equate to more victories.

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I always hated trying to figure out the Cap and what not. I’m just damned glad football is back!

by Chiefsfan85 on Jul 25, 2011 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I really don't care for Drew Brees.

An employer HAS to spend money so that you have more money in your pocket. He may be in his late 20’s but he sounds like he is an entitled teenager to me. Dislike

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by Kblomfiee on Jul 25, 2011 9:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree.

They should just remove the salary cap/floor altogether and let players make their true market value. Get rid of the draft and all tags too. No one should feel entitled, including the owners.

by Tarkus on Jul 25, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't disagree more.

Royals over/under on losses: 96
Chiefs Will...hopefully not take a step back in 2011.

by Chiefsdad on Jul 25, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

hello

32 new york yankees

I eat success for breakfast....with skim milk.

by ChiefRoyal on Jul 25, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong

Hello 5 New York Yankees and 27 Kansas city Royals

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--Bill Peterson

by Big_Chief on Jul 25, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Be baseball?

No thanks.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 25, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

The business is growing

why should they not share in that? Whatever job you have, it surely was paying much less 10 years ago.

by electriclight on Jul 25, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

No.

The union ideal would be no salary cap and no tags.

I know fans love to trash the players, but there is a hell of a lot in the CBA that benefits the owners too, which is why they’re so desperate for the NFLPA to re-certify.

by Tarkus on Jul 25, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn.

Its not even 10am Arrowhead Time and Joel’s got 4 stories and a fanshot in, and Chris has a story too. Someone ate their wheaties today!

It is what it is and we are who we are.
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by nateforchiefs on Jul 25, 2011 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

The amount of money spent does not equate to wins.

but you will only be so competitive spending that low. No need to break the bank on any guy but all the recent SB winners spent much more money than we have recently.

by RamX21 on Jul 25, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Well said RamX

Is glad Vrabel came through here to teach these guys how to be a team..........now it's time to get this season crackin already!

by Hail2DaChiefs on Jul 25, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is not always in the players'

interest to be competetive but it is in their interest to get paid. I can’t say I blame them.

If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

by labbadabba on Jul 25, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

The other thing about 2009

Is that we were under the minimum but we
 had to pay at the end of the year to get back to the floor. I believe this was done by giving each player an equal percentage oud the shortfall whereas last year, with no floor our cap, we did not have to do anything.

The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
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by kcguy on Jul 25, 2011 10:03 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Oud = of and it should say or cap not our cap. Stupid swype text

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by kcguy on Jul 25, 2011 10:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If anything I think a salary cap floor is going to help low spending teams, especially those that are rebuilding.

The biggest reason why the Chiefs, and many of the other low spending teams, spent so little is because they are a rebuilding and largely young team which tends to cost you alot less in salaries. If you have a good GM like we do you’ll have a guy that plans well into the future in his rebuilding process and this is only going to help him. By having a floor that has to be reached, rebuilding teams can front load contracts to make the floor which will free up cap space down the line when presumably(in an ideal world) there team is no longer rebuilding and needs to pay some of their younger players or new players more money.

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by GenericBrand on Jul 25, 2011 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

For the last 4 years or so we have had a very youjng team, one of the yougest. Because of this our total team pay should have been low. With the these same young players being in their 4th or 5th year in the league, even without the cap floor I think our spending was going to be up anyway.

by KC Scout on Jul 25, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

But I believe the floor will cause it to go up even more than it would have.

by Tarkus on Jul 25, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, more room to work = more advantage to teams with good salary managers.

That’s why I really don’t like this tight window between cap and floor. I don’t really care as much what the actual dollars are, but restricting the freedom that GMs have to build and maintain teams is just plain un-American.

I can see down the road this restrictive gap between floor and cap having more impact on the game than any other changes, and not for the better.

"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.

by Brsrkr on Jul 25, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like the minimum spending requirement.

I’m not a Jerry Jones fan, but it has too be frustrating for him and other big market team owners, that share a portion of their revenue with the small market teams, only to have those teams not spend the money to be more competitive. It’s the salary cap, and revenue sharing that makes the NFL competitive, and allows the smaller market teams a chance to compete with the “big boys.” I know Jones has been a real critic oft he profit sharing model the league uses, and I can kindof see why. I’m sure you that live in the KC area, and support the Royals, wish that they would commit more money to salaries. Also, Clark Hunt stated he likes the new CBA agreement, which would mean he doesn’t have an issue using a larger percentage of profits on payroll. As far as Drew Brees, I could care less what his opinion is, as he was one of the biggest whiners during the whole CBA thing , but I do agree wtih him on this issue.

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by Racyman on Jul 25, 2011 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

We weren't spending money like Dallas

but we weren’t low balling like the Royals either. I’d have a problem with Scott if that was the direction he was going.
Damn I’m ready for some football!

by Full Metal Jayhawk on Jul 25, 2011 11:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Royals are far from the lowest-spending team in MLB.

Unlike the Chiefs. I haven’t had a problem with their spending, under the circumstances, but that’s a really bad comparison.

by Tarkus on Jul 25, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

My bad.

I guess they’re equal to the Chiefs.

by Tarkus on Jul 25, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not Exactly

Chiefs have been low due to rebuilding. Royals have been at the bottom ever since Glass took over.

by grid_iron on Jul 25, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And they would be wrong

I think the first year Clark took over, they were in the top 5 in player salaries. His support of a salary floor should indicate he has no problem spending money.

by grid_iron on Jul 25, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

31 owners supported the salary floor.

Clark is a team player. He should be commended for that.

by Tarkus on Jul 25, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that Clark's support of the salary floor doesn't prove much. But here are two honest question for you, then?

1. If Clark truly is that cheap, do you believe, had the new CBA not included a salary floor, that the Chiefs would have continued to operate near the bottom of the league in payroll for the next several years? Would Clark have avoided signing any big free agents or re-signing young players to new contracts in order to keep the team payroll as low as possible?

2. If Clark is truly that cheap, do you believe that the Chiefs low payroll, which didn’t start until Herm requested to blow up the roster in 09, was less a result of the rebuilding process and more a result of Hunt handcuffing Pioli to a low budget? I.e. was he keeping his GM from opening up the checkbook to re-sign guys he wanted to sign or pursue the free agents he really wanted to bring in?

Because frankly, I don’t believe that either of those are true.

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by MtHammer on Jul 25, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

1+2

I’ve gone on record many times as not having a problem with the Chiefs’ payroll, given the circumstances.

I always said they’d spend when the time is right. Or at least I assumed they would.

by Tarkus on Jul 25, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

glass is 10 times worse

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by LadyChief on Jul 25, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

brick would be better

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by LadyChief on Jul 25, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

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by LadyChief on Jul 25, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's MLB payroll

They’ve spent a lot on international free agents and in the draft.

The reason the major league payroll is so low is because the team has a bunch of rookies that shouldn’t be making very much money.

by NotAHippie on Jul 25, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry but I disagree

The reason the Royals payroll is low is because Glass is cheap.
Payroll is $36M. Middle of the road is $86M. Even with their minor league payroll added they wouldn’t even get close to middle of the road.

by grid_iron on Jul 25, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tell me where they should be spending money. Who should they have spent money on?

by NotAHippie on Jul 25, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

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to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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by MarineChiefsFan on Jul 25, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the salary floor but wish it had more flexibility

If a team is in a total rebuilding effort like the Chiefs have been in, it doesn’t make sense to force them to pay a bunch of young players big dollars while they are developing.
I would have liked to seen the salary floor tied to the total years of service of the players.

by grid_iron on Jul 25, 2011 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm with you

It’s counterproductive to force a team to overspend on FAs or overpay their current guys just to reach a floor.

I think it should be more like 80-85%. Still keeps teams from being criminally cheap, but doesn’t handcuff them into spending.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 25, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

They can then be required to

lower ticket prices with the extra cash since they are putting a crappy team on the field.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Jul 25, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Funny guy.

"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.

by Brsrkr on Jul 25, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm really surprised the owners agreed to this one.

They might already have half a dozen loopholes figured out. Otherwise I can picture Pioli giving Clark a world-class noogie over this.

"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.

by Brsrkr on Jul 25, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I read and posted this in the fanposts last night...

and I was just as irritated as most of you guys. It’s fine to have an opinion on this, but to actually use a team as a way of crucifying a team wanting to spend their money wisely instead of overpaying their players is stupid. He should’ve really thought about what he was saying before he said it.

There's no hope with dope...

by chrisjo07 on Jul 25, 2011 11:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Drew is only focused on the money, not winning or losing.

You see the problem here is that Drew is focused on the money side of it for the players, not with winning or losing. But what he fails to see in the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs is that we didn’t have a roster to support a higher Salary for this team. Yes we may have gotten by lower than the norm. Yes the 2010 Chiefs improved, but have they earned the privilege to get paid? We are seeing an increase in talent level yes. But why should a team full Brodie Croyles, Lance Longs, Bobby Wades, Andy Allemans, and Sean Ryans have to be paid a higher amount when they don’t deserve it? This is like putting a tag on the Royals roster and making them get paid like the Yankees and Red Sox. We only have to reach a minimum you say, but I say again, is the roster deserving of that? Certain players may, yes, but when you put a minimum on it as Drew uses the 2009 Chiefs, that means one of two things. Your better players are gonna get paid an astronomical amount, or your entire roster is gonna get paid more causing worser players to get paid the same as a good player when its not deserving.

I believe the Chiefs will spend, but they will do so when it is right to do so.

by ChiefsConquest on Jul 25, 2011 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah but...

You are pretty much just asking teams to spend more money for the sake of player’s salaries to go up. I realize that there is more to it but for simplicity sake that is the upshot of the statement made by Brees. So you kind of take the motivation out of some player’s hands to work hard for their increased payroll and you are asking the owners to pay more money for players that probably don’t deserve it. It would be easy to make that case that the owners don’t have to sign somebody because their price is overinflated because of the new CBA but some team at some time is going to have a need for that player and they are going to end up spending more than they should. What is wrong with winning on a reasonable budget? If you can get the most of young players that are paying their dues until their next contract why pay them a bunch of money up front?

by RAHChief on Jul 25, 2011 12:38 PM CDT reply actions  

There are almost 2,000 players.

Even if you make the assumption that all are motivated only by money, that’s still a hell of a reason to work your ass off to make yourself stand out.

by Tarkus on Jul 25, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

not my point

my point is you can also not work your ass off and make more money. happens all the time now and it will just cost owners more money to sign lazy players. i have to believe there are plenty of them based on the lack of reports of players getting themselves in shape for this season. it is there job to be ready at all times. i understand some down time at the end of the year, especially if you are coming off injuries, but for the players that sat on the asses the last 130+ days, why should I, as an owner, have to pay them even more. think about all the FA’s out there that probably didn’t do a damn thing in the offseason and now they get to make even more money because teams that spent less in the past now have to make up for that deficit. i personally don’t believe there is any more incentive for a player to work harder than they did in the past.

by RAHChief on Jul 25, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, well tell that to the Yankees.

“But the more money you spend doesn’t necessarily equate to more victories.”

Money does matter. Look at the list of playoff winning teams over the last 20-years and it’s heavily in favor of larger market teams. That’s not just a coincidence.

You are correct however, that it isn’t everything— but it amounts to a heck of a lot.

by Chief-ologist on Jul 25, 2011 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

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