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Do We Have the Core In Place? (Offensive Addition)

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A while back we talked about the Chiefs salary cap situation.  I gave my (totally uninformed and completely based off nothing but my own instinct) opinion that we would know how Scott Pioli feels about our team's "core" by how hard he tries to re-sign our own FA's (especially Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Dwayne Bowe, and Tamba Hali).  I then went on to talk about our defense and discuss whether or not we've got that core in place to contend for a SB.

Long story short (and by now you should know when I say that, it isn't even remotely true), I decided that our defensive core is either place or just one significant addition away.  Needless to say, (who else hates that expression?  Good God don't say it then!) that makes me a happy camper. 

But what about our offense?  After all, if you take a look at today's league, there's no question: it's an offensively driven league.  Rule changes allow receivers more leeway across the middle and with sideline catches, defenses are discouraged from being as physical as in years past, and I think the current penalty for hitting a quarterback too hard is death by  guillotine (although I may be wrong on this one.  It might just be a firing squad).

Anyways, the bottom line is the days of bad or even average offensive teams winning a Super Bowl are dead and gone (looking at you Ravens).  You need to have a team that can put points on the board if they have to.  So do we have the core in place to make it to the Promised Land?  Or are we, like the Israelites, doomed to wander the desert for another 40 years?

Star-divide

Let's look at the different facets of our offense, shall we?  How about we look at each position group?  WR's, RB's, O-line, and QB?  I know it sounds like I'm asking, but I'm not.  That's what we're gonna do.  Why?  Because I'm mad with power, that's why.  Also, I'm not gonna do a breakdown of every single player we've got.  This is an overview, not a scouting report.  And really, does anyone want to read a breakdown of Chandler Williams?  Seriously? 

Wide Receivers/TE's

This is the group that immediately jumps out as the weakest in our offense.  Dawyne Bowe is a solid receiver with flashes of spectacular, but after that the bottom falls out.  And also, Bowe had seven games last year in which he had three or fewer catches.  This is not the mark of a great receiver (although in his defense, it's tough when every team we play knows they can put four guys on him).  So obviously, we're not off to a roaring start here with our best WR being very good but not quite great (with inconsistency hurting him).

After that, our next best receiving option is likely going to be rookie Jonathan Baldwin.  And believe me, that's not exactly a ringing endorsement.  It's just kind of the way things go.  I don't like trusting rookies, even ones with freakish talent like Baldwin (if you haven't watched bfett's Cassel video yet, do so.  There's some great footage of Baldwin in college, and he was just a man among boys).  But honestly, who else is there?  The Disappearing Man Formerly Known As Chris Chambers?  Please.  If he's not cut this year there may well be a riot on Kansas City.  Jerheme Urban is our next most "proven" (using that word VERY loosely here) receiver after Chambers.  Dexter McCluster looked more comfortable coming out of the backfield than in the slot and is supposedly going to play more of a scatback role this year.  So what do we have?  A bunch of unproven guys who have done nothing to inspire confidence.  Yikes.

Tight end is a little less depressing (although it's not hard when being compared to such a lackluster group).  Tony Moeaki was excellent as a rookie and should see more targets (not to mention his absolutely studly blocking).  Leonard Pope is a decent veteran option who is OK at everything and great at nothing (which is more than adequate for a number 2 tight end).  And astonishingly enough, Jake O'Connell actually made a couple of decent plays last year.  Which was a 10000000000000% improvement on what we'd seen previously.  I can't include Cottam in this group.  I just can't.  He's had one good game and a scary neck injury.

So basically what we've got here is Bowe and Moeaki as solid players.  Then one average player, a rookie, and a bunch of nobodies.  This is not a group that is poised to take us to the Super Bowl unless Baldwin becomes beastly enough right away to demand a lot of attention (not totally out of the question, but hardly likely).  In other words, we need help here.  A slot WR would go a long ways towards helping us have a decent group.  In addition our depth guys need to either improve or be replaced.  So... yeah.  Not what I'm assuming you'd like to hear.  But hey, we run the ball more than we pass it, right?  Which leads me to...

Running Backs

I refuse to get dragged into another Thomas Jones debate.  Let me be clear... I DON'T want him to be cut and I DON'T want him to lose all his carries.  But he needs to have a lighter load this year.  He was bad, bad, bad down the stretch.  And don't tell me he was "paving the way" for JC or "wearing out defenses".  I've seen the man run.  He is not a punishing back and isn't wearing anyone down in a significant way.  He's a great, older leader who can be productive as long as he's not asked to do too much (seriously, PLEASE look at the drop in his numbers down the stretch.  You cannot tell me that was all the O-line's fault or due to defensive scheming.  Because JC did just fine down the stretch).  Basically, TJ needs to lose some of those carries.  If he does that, I'm confident he can produce at a solid pace.

What is there left to say about Jamaal Charles?  He's great.  There ya go.  He gets good-to-great yardage almost every carry, makes big plays, led the NFL in yards after contact, helps the passing game, and probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil.  That's how awesome he is.  Not just good for the Chiefs, but America.  No problems here.  If Jamaal Charles is your feature back you're doing very, very well for yourself.

After these two we've got Jackie Battle and (apparently, from reports and from what Haley is saying) Dexter McCluster.  I know Battle is a favorite here, and for the life of me I cannot figure out why.  He's never done squat to prove he can play ball when it counts.  That'd MAYBE be acceptable if he was a 2nd or even 3rd player, but the man has been in the league four years now.  It's time to find a power back who can actually earn carries during the game.  Dexter, I'm more excited about.  Most of his best plays last year (cue H2E joke, "All two of them?") came from out of the backfield.  Go back and look at the Jaguars game.  He can make plays for us.  I think he could be a significant contributor, maybe along the lines of 5-7 carries a game and multiple plays where he comes out of the backfield as a receiver.

While I wish we had a genuine power back on board (and I hope we find one), I'm comfortable with this group as a whole.  Of course, we're one JC injury from having a very subpar backfield, but that's how it is in the NFL.  I'd take our RB's as a GROUP over any other group of RB's in the league.  Is most of this because JC is a freak of nature who may very well be the Second Coming?  Well... yeah.  Add in TJ being solid in limited doses and Dex's playmaking ability, and you've got a good group there.  

And now for the controversy.  The drama.  The debate.  The eternal question.  The ultimate divider on Arrowhead Pride.  Matt Cassel.

Next week (admit it.  You hate me.  It's ok.  I hate me a little right now too).  I'm already at 1300 words, and let's be honest, no one wants to read much more than that when I'm the writer.  So next week, we'll cover the O-line and quarterback positions (unless I feel like writing about something else.  Then we'll do it another time.  Like I said, I'm MAD with power right now).

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Good stuff, mn

But unfortunately, just saying you refuse to get dragged into a debate about something isn’t going to save you :-)

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 23, 2011 8:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

It's kinda like saying "needless to say" and then saying it, huh?

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I know

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jul 23, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would argue

that just because something doesn’t need to be said, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be said.

"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan

by MtHammer on Jul 23, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say I agree with that,

but I agree with that.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jul 24, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cassel is fing people up now

Charles is a beast
Bowe is turning epic
Our line is amazing at run blocking
Tony Mo is going to be a superstar
Baldwin is going to be a beast sooner than later
McCluster breaks shoes

Yeah, pretty nice start.

by Chiefsfan85 on Jul 23, 2011 8:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Puff puff

Pass please cause whatever has got you that high on the Chiefs would help smooth out my problems lol. Ill give you JC and Bowe case is open on Tony and Baldwin

by Kmillz2525 on Jul 23, 2011 8:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

sorta my take

We have Charles and the “Usual Suspects”

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 23, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno, Steve ...

… some of ’em are pretty UNUSUAL :-)

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
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by upamtn on Jul 23, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

I was doing a play on the video with cassel when i said he was f-ing people up even though he has been reading the defense better and making better decisions. I am right about Bowe and JC. Our line is amazing at run blocking….watch last year. Tony Mo was the best run blocking TE who made some good grabs so with few injuries he will eventually become a complete TE. Baldwin is goign to be a beast if he stays healthy. McCluster does in fact break shoes. Nothing I said was completely out there. If I would have said Chris Chambers will make a comeback and be the best wr in the league like I know he is then you could have called me out.

by Chiefsfan85 on Jul 23, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

just playing devils advocate

our complimentary pieces to what Charles does would not be able to make up for him if he is unavailable. I wanted another RB in the draft, Baldwin is going to be good hopefully but another RB would seal the Chiefs deal.

signed
Justin Case

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 23, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh, you didn't just want a RB in the draft,

you wanted a RB in the first round. I like you and all, but I’m glad you didn’t get what you wanted.

Still some good UDFAs out there. Always are. Foster, Blount…

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by Brsrkr on Jul 24, 2011 4:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I almost forgot about that, steve

RB in the first this year. One of the least important positions to spend a first round pick on these days. But your craziness is infectious steve. I was advocating for a center in the first this year. Cuckoo

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 24, 2011 8:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

IMO an additional RB is a top priority. Too important to be left up to the draft.

Not just any back will do. We need a guy with savvy who can run with power when needed, have at least one quick cut in him, can absorb carries and wear down a Defense while getting as much as he can from each carry. Oh and don’t forget he has to be able to pass block.

With a fast fading TJ, we need this guy now. No time to draft and let develop. IMO this guy is available in FA or as an UFA. Lets see how good Pioli is at finding him.

"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle

by CatChief on Jul 24, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

sounds good

and to clarufy my position :)

I was looking at lots of running backs.

Engram, Booby, Lewhatever his name from Illinois, that scat back from Oregon State…..

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 24, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

RB's are a dime a dozen...

RB’s that can run behind our line….uh…I can think of two, and we have one.

by 12t on Jul 24, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, MN, what FAs are on your radar to fix some of these shortcomings?

Any RBs, WRs? UDFAs?

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 23, 2011 8:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Well, I'm not sure (I haven't kept up with RFA in the new CBA)

If Michael Bush is available I’d LOVE to have him. He’s the type that doesn’t need a powerful O-line to run power plays and just hits people. McClain would be nice as well. Outside of them… there’s not a ton to choose from. I’d like us to at least look at Clay as an UDRFA. And maybe give Jerome Harrison a call (couldn’t hurt).

As far as WR’s go, the possibilities get MUCH more interesting. I’d LOVE Steve Smith (NYG version), the dude from STL (A-something, I forget), or Lance Moore. Breaston would be nice but is probably a pipe dream.

Outside of that, I’m just praying that one of our guys (like Tucker or Horne) who was in over his head at the #2 WR position last year can step in, especially if Baldwin can be even semi-effective and clear out the middle.

What about you?

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like you're list

Mine would be pretty similar. I definitely wouldn’t mind Bush and would love to see Clay brought in to see what he can do. Slot first choice would defintely be Breaston. And I’m fully with you the the hope that Horne or Tucker develops nicely. Another I wouldn’t mind seeing brought in case of little development from Horne or Tucker this year, and a slow start by Baldwin, would be Mike Sims-Walker. I know I have said it in a few comments before, but I just like the guy and think in the right system he could be pretty damn good. And that system would be KC’s lol.

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by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Jul 23, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sims-Walker can play

My only issue with him is he’s another big WR who isn’t suited for the slot. So if Baldwin DOES to all right, he wouldn’t have a lot of chances in a traditional offense.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t see him as a slot either. More of insurance in case Baldwin isn’t ready to go right away this year, or perhaps if Bowe isn’t retained when his contract is up.

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by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Jul 23, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a bad idea at all IMO

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mcclain or Bush would be great, though I think unlikely.

At WR, I’m actually a big fan of Santana Moss. I really like what he could bring to this team, as kind of a TJ-style signing for 2011. More long term, speaking on WRs, I don’t think is going to happen in free agency.

A veteran full back would go a long way for our running game, especially helping keep bodies off of JC with the expected increase in carries, as well as helping open lanes for TJ. Hell, I’d take T-Rich as a short term answer if Bannon might be the future, or continuing trying to find the future

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 23, 2011 9:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I love both those ideas

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Possibly

But I think everyone would feel better about JC running up the gut with a competent, bull-dozing FB in front of him.

Wasn’t it someone from the Ravens that says they knew what play we were going to run on a 4th down play depending on what RB was in the game? Maybe that changes with a better FB in front of JC. Just a thought

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 23, 2011 10:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bulldozer only needed on the 2 yardline and closer.

If you find the next Mike Alstott, I’ll take a listen. Other than that, Bannon is just fine.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 23, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

For someone who sports TJ as hard as you do

Can you really say no to T-Rich?

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 23, 2011 10:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

On the 2 and closer

Shaun ‘the nut job’ smith will do just fine.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 23, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mike Bush would be a great addition

and I believe Tim Hightower is a FA. We should be able to sign one of them. At FB, Cox has been average, Bannon brings some solid measurables, and there are two good FAs (McClain and Reece). So our backfield can get better. And you have to think we make a move for one of the slots (Breastron, Moore, or Smith). As long as Casey can still play at a high level at C and we get improvement at RT, this offense could be very good this year. It takes 2 (possibly) 3 new guys and no drop off from the guys we already have.

by Chiefs4Life on Jul 24, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hightower could be worth taking a look at

He’s decent even behind a God-awful line

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Saints will likely part with Reggie Bush

through trade or cut (he costs to much under the renewed salary cap). I’m hoping that he hogs the RB attention so we can move on Mike Bush or Hightower.

by Chiefs4Life on Jul 24, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although to be fair

Reggie Bush would fit perfectly with our running style, although I’d never sign him for more than 3 million a year (which he won’t sign for).

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't rule it out

Given how successful Williams was last year, maybe other former USC players will think they can achieve similar success.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you are really

considering Bush… read this.

It is good stuff from the San Diego bunch on SBN

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 24, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting piece

I’d only ever take the guy at a pretty steep discount

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 25, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brings it into perspective

Specially our WR group getting Baldwin made me kinda forget about who else we have or don’t have depending on your view. We are truely one injury to JC away from being those Ravens you spoke of. I mean our Dfence can somewhat compensate for an injury specially with new depth BUT our offense relies on JC and his ability to change any game and draw defenders

by Kmillz2525 on Jul 23, 2011 8:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Good Post. Interesting Analysis (parenthetically speaking)

I generally agree on the wide receiver corps. In Haley and Pioli’s defense, they had a bunch of positions to address when they got here. I believe that WR will be addressed eventually. Saw Flashes from Tony M. and Dex. Want more. I would like to see (insert subreference here) a journeyman added to the roster, who is not like Chris Chambers. I think RB is mostly set, but always needs depth added every year. Can’t wait for your OLine post

A good memory is no substitute for the playbook rookie!

by Franksurroundedbyraiderfans on Jul 23, 2011 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

What
I think RB is mostly set, but always needs depth added every year.

I guess for 2011, after that we got Charles and McCluster

I am rooting hard for Bannon now to turn into “Moose” Johnson

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 23, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love big bad fullbacks myself

Don’t know how much that will play into our O Scheme initially. I’ll take Bannon turning into a Moose Johnson or a Tom Rathman

A good memory is no substitute for the playbook rookie!

by Franksurroundedbyraiderfans on Jul 23, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love me some sidebars with parentheses :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent read - rec'd.

Also, if you don’t object, I think I’d like to work some of this

What is there left to say about Jamaal Charles? He’s great. There ya go. He gets good-to-great yardage almost every carry, makes big plays, led the NFL in yards after contact, helps the passing game, and probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America. No problems here. If Jamaal Charles is your feature back you’re doing very, very well for yourself.

into a signature. With proper attribution, of course.

by MtHammer on Jul 23, 2011 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I think it should be this:

Jamaal Charles….Not just good for the Chiefs, but America. – MNChiefsfan 7/23/2011

A good memory is no substitute for the playbook rookie!

by Franksurroundedbyraiderfans on Jul 23, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly my thought.

Maybe try to work in the part about fighting crime and inhaling CO2, but it shouldn’t be too long.

by MtHammer on Jul 23, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go for it, glad I could help :)

You don’t even need to give me credit if that helps save you room. I’ll know…

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I ended up going with

"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America." - MNchiefsfan

by MtHammer on Jul 23, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Perfect

A good memory is no substitute for the playbook rookie!

by Franksurroundedbyraiderfans on Jul 24, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice!

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn MN, I thought you MOVED?

of course, I love it when you say things like …

I’m not gonna do a breakdown of every single player we’ve got

… and then proceed to do a breakdown of every single player we’ve got

that’s why we luvya (cue /no homo remarks)

good stuff here, very well done with just the right dash of modesty sprinkled in with a taste of madness along with your ever-present humor and … oh yeah, a little bit of Chiefs knowledge, too …

well done, Son!

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jul 23, 2011 8:43 PM CDT reply actions  

oh yeah, a little bit of Chiefs knowledge, too …

Ups, you should know this better than anyone… knowledge has very little to do with anything when it comes to writing. Throw in enough parentheses and sidebars and people will enjoy :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

and silly pictures!!!!!!!

Providing COLOR commentary for Arrowhead Pride! AKA The Picture Diva!

by LadyChief on Jul 23, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very true

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not? RFA?

Because I love that guy

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

signed through 2012

Danny Amendola Wide Receiver 2011: $480,000, 2012: Restricted Free Agent

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 23, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Booo! That stinks

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not even done reading it all yet

Just HAD to rec it now, simply because of the Jamaal Charles paragraph. Awesome!

*Pioli is my Idol*

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Jul 23, 2011 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Jamaal Charles thanks you

And so does America

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

It appears that Jamaal Charles is making waves in this type of game. Not only does he get great carrying distance, he also seems to be making huge plays on a regular basis, and is leading in many other categories.

Halloween World

by ahmad_razzak on Jul 23, 2011 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Fully agree with the state of the WR's

I do however believe that at least one of the 2 CFA WR’s signed last year (Horne, Tucker) will develop into at least a serviceable starter in the NFL. Maybe not quite next year, even though thats what I’m hoping for, but soon.

*Pioli is my Idol*

by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Jul 23, 2011 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I think one of them MAY turn into a decent slot receiver

If Baldwin can develop well and prevent any jamming of the middle.

That’s the key for slot WR’s. If you’ve got two good WR’s at the #1 and #2 spot, your job becomes gravy.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

It takes three

with all the trios in NFL history

Starr –
Bradshaw – Harris
Aikman –
Kelly – Thomas
Montana -

fill in the blanks

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 23, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well in that case take these guys

Matt Cassel

Dwayne Bowe
Jonathan Baldwin
Tony Moeaki
Dexter McCluster
and Jamaal Charles.

Throw in a free agent like:
Smith
Breaston
Rice
Moss
Doucet
Sims-Walker
Holmes
Edwards
or whoever the Pioli wheel lands on and you have more then your quota.

For the Most part Montana had Rice, but Montana could have done it with anyone and did during his first Super Bowl Run. Plus when he was here in Kansas City… almost (sniffle, sniffle)

Joe Montana threw the most catchable ball in the history of the NFL.

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 23, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

If we can

Cassel – Charles – Bowe

would go down in Chiefs lore.

Green – Holmes – Gonzalez

did not

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 23, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do NOT for get Moeaki.

He’ll be just like Ben ‘Winter’ Coats.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 23, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Troika, schmoika

If you want a dynasty, every one of these overpaid, loveable schmucks must overachieve. Get ready baby, the schmitt is about to hit the fan.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 23, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

All good points

And hopefully that’s how it plays out. Moeaki WAS a stud, and I’ve got high hopes for him. And yes, Baldwin is going to feel spoiled by Cassel.

I don’t see us as an unstoppable juggernaut unless Baldwin is excellent out of the gate, Moeaki improves a little on getting open, and Dex stays healthy and is utilized properly. IF all that happens we could have a very, very good offense.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is the thing MN

the Chiefs won ten games with a 5’11" invisible man as there second string receiver in 2010.

They don’t need that much from Jonathan Baldwin, but they are going to get it and more if they sign someone in FA also.

Sure, there are a lot of if’s… hell, there could be some ands’ and buts’ too. Even if the Chiefs remain status quo it is already a very, very good offense. They had the number one rushing attack in the NFL.

Not 32
Not 25
Not 12
Hell not even Number 2, which makes me think of the Raiders.

No they were number 1, everything else was and will be a bonus.

meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 23, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to improve on Number Uno

Which means the passing game has to improve

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 23, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?

JC is going to carry more of the offense, I must look into how much one team is dependent on one playmaker.

I know that Tennessee relies heavily on their RB

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 23, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jamaal Charles is going to have to pick up some extra carries

It isn’t so much that he is going to get much better, although it is possible going into his fourth year in the NFL.

No, Jamaal is going to benefit from Jonathan Baldwin. It takes an extra man out of the box. This shouldn’t even be something that I have to explain, as it is self explanatory.

Jamaal Charles isn’t going to get worse.
Defenses are going to be able to have as many spies on him.

1+1=???

It is logic.

If the Chiefs get a slot receiver worthy of praise. It will help as well.

Close your eyes and pretend for a moment that the Chiefs sign Steve Breaston.

Okay, now picture a three receiver set with Baldwin, Bowe, and Breaston. With Jamaal Charles in the backfield.

Now picture Jamaal struggling to get yards???

That is correct, he is not going to struggle, because no one can stop him one on one.

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 23, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now close your eyes

(why you should with blinders on is beyond me)

and Jamaal has a tweaked ankle, who picks up the load?

Thomas Jones is going to get 150 yards of rushing and receiving?

I guess the rookies and 2nd year guys are going to step up bigtime?

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 23, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

YYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!

You finally got it!

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 23, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't count out Thomas Jones yet

he had 1,000 yard season for like 50 years in a row, and has been given the instructions to lose some weight this season.

Who knows what the results will be. He was terrible late last season with Weis calling the plays, but Weis is gone and there is a new approach.

Maybe it will be good for Thomas Jones who has 10,113 yards in his career. Maybe if that were to happen he could add yet another 100 yard game. If the Chiefs think he can’t then he will be cut before the season starts.

Don’t believe me… ask Amani Toomer or Zach Thomas. Names don’t mean anything in KC.

meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 23, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

we ain't cutting Jones if he makes it to opening day vs Buffalo

But you all are pining (pinning) on the Chiefs do not have a season like GB did last year.

The Starters are good, the backups are not proven. Free Agency is time to buy some insurance.

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 23, 2011 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jamaal Charles was unproven in his second year two.

How did that turn out for the Chiefs?

Larry Johnson, went all Larry Johnson on the Chiefs. The JC, went all JC.

That is how good teams work, they try and be prepared and plug and play.

I agree on FA, but we can’t grade that yet… but I will be around for that too. I never once said the Chiefs should not sign anyone.

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 23, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

part of the fun...

though i do try to back them up. I don’t just spout.

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 23, 2011 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

ignoring the injury possibilities in the NFL

is whistleing past the grave yard.

If no one ever got injured we could just sign the best FA available every year. 22 starters and 22 guys of the street

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 23, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not ignoring any injuries

I just said they haven’t happened yet…

I will worry about injuries when and if they arrive. I hope they don’t and that is all I can do.

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 23, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

but he didn't tweak an ankle

I love the injury argument as a default for whatever…

However anything can happen in that case… Seven people dressed as Paul Revere can kidnap Peyton Manning and beat him with bananas before every Patriots game.

It could happen? Should we worry?

Jamaal Charles could get injured and it would suck to be sure, but that is why the Chiefs drafted Dexter McCluster, who can do a good imitation if sadly needed.

Losing one player is not going to end the Chiefs season…

Now back to reality… I pose the same question to you Steve without you throwing the injury bug at me.

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 23, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would not want you as MY GM

We have many, many thin spots on this roster. I can assure you the Chiefs season could end on one key injury. We will play the games yet not compete for a playoff spot

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 23, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lots of teams do, but you can't have 53 starters

it doesn’t work like that.

I am not throwing injuries that haven’t even happened yet into my arguments. It is bad for the universe.

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 23, 2011 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure I do

but that doesn’t have anything to do with an debate about how good our healthy team can be.

Which is what I was asking you about…

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 23, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Charles went down,

You would think opposing defenses would shift to stop the pass. Jones might still get a bit of respect, but if JC was out, Cassel would have to put the offense on his back and throw to a victory. Just because he really hasn’t shown the ability to do that yet, doesn’t mean he can’t. People seem to automatically assume Baldwin will get respect off the line, yet don’t think Cassel will get any respect got his season last year. Find that hard to believe

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

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by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 24, 2011 8:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's why I'm kinda hoping

we get Reggie Bush. He can be explosive. And he’s probably just a step slower than Charles. He demands respect too, because of his open-field ability.

by LookListenLearn on Jul 24, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Bush in the open field is faster than JC

He just doesn’t have the vision or patience JC has. Or the ability to break tackles.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

IF we had those three

Would they be called the "Killer B’s? :)

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by tlback20 on Jul 23, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best Reply of the summer -

Your Tony M. comparison stat really puts his contribution into perspective!

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by chiefsfan62 on Jul 24, 2011 1:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

And don't forget that Tony Moeaki did this^^

On the 30th ranked passing offense in the league…

by masonsixer on Jul 24, 2011 5:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know how great Baldwin will be

But he sure can get up there.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

we got the core team period

to all the cassle bashers, practice makes u gr8 and cassle puts in work! he will lead us to 1 or 2 hell maybe 3 SB’s. keep money to resign in house talent, yes another reciever would b awsome, and a fatty in the middle till our rook developes

by Franke Manning on Jul 23, 2011 9:43 PM CDT reply actions  

young running back

I thought this was the perfect year to add a rookie running back to compliment JC for the future. Thomas Jones is nice to have, but he will not remain effective for the full season. It would have been nice to have a young guy sit behing Jones and JC the first half of the season and take over for Jones when he starts to fall off in the second half.

by ilchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree

I’m hoping Dex can absorb some carries and that makes a difference.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I myself am all for Dex getting more carries. I know I have seen plenty of people afraid of him getting injured with the extra carries. However, it just seems there is something about our Oline that greatly favors the smaller quicker back (JC and Dex) over other backs (Jones and 2.7).

by ilchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

REply fail... See below

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's that our O-line only opens up holes long enough for the quicker backs to get through.

If you watch, they open the holes but they seem to close abnormally fast. But by that time JC is running circles around a linebacker.

by bamachief5558 on Jul 24, 2011 4:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree, and I think Dex is more suited for our line than TJ

Although him getting more than 7-8 carries per game would probably wear him down and decrease his effectiveness as a scatback receiver.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

It would just be nice to have a young back that had a different style than JC rather than having both JC and Dex as quick/small backs. Battle has shown me nothing that he can be part of a regular game plan.

by ilchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, MN

Very good stuff as usual. I DO wish you could get over your man crush on Charles long enough to recognize TJ for what he is. You clearly state that he is NOT a punishing runner. Who ever said he was? He is a tough, smart runner that depends on the line to get him a seam. He makes plays when there are none. He had nearly 1000 yards last season. Not bad for an old man. Please just put your disdain in your pocket long enough to enjoy what he does this year ala Curtis Martin. It’s going to be a beautiful thing.

Other than that, you just need to get on the Baldwin train. The dude is next coming of megatron and this time, there’s a QB that can make him a star. I know you have doubts, but that is simply because you are still a youngster with no frame of reference. :) Cheer up, the dynasty marches forward.

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by Aiken_Drum on Jul 23, 2011 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Told ya, MN

Just because you say you won’t get drawn into an argument about TJ….

Come on, aiken, you can’t deny exactly what MN says: TJ wore down badly through the season,.and his average, despite any attempt to justify it, was atrocious, and wanting more from someone who ran the ball as often as he did in 2010 is definitely justifiable

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 23, 2011 10:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

an expanding offense

needs more from those touching the ball.

more for Charles is not really an option

more from Bowe is not either

more from the rest of the offensive playmakers is a no-brainer.

if Cassel can make it happen

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 23, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can deny what MN says

and I think Mills agrees. It just so happens that during the games that MN likes to point out that TJs production fell off, the oline was having a lot of trouble with much better defensive lines from the opposition. If you don’t want to go back and look at the film that’s ok with me. Looking at the numbers alone does not tell the whole story. TJ is a freak just like Curtis ‘my favorite’ martian. Just be prepared to be astounded my friend. Then you can come back and tell me how right I was.

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by Aiken_Drum on Jul 23, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

Like others are saying that with the addition of Baldwin it will open up more running room for Charles. I agree with that but to add to it won’t it do the same for TJ? His running lanes could open up more with less people in the box.

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by tlback20 on Jul 23, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm, maybe we all should look back at those "much better defensive lines" we played against late in the season

Seattle – 21st ranked rushing defense. Jones – 3.4 yd. avg on 20 carries
St. Louis – 17th ranked rushing defense. Jones – 2.8 yd. avg on 22 carries
Tennessee – 20th ranked rushing defense. Jones – 2.2 yd. avg on 23 carries
Oakland – 29th ranked rushing defense. Jones – 1.7 yd. avg on 10 carries

Faired well against the likes of Arizona and Denver, the 30th and 31st ranked run defenses respectively.

I think it’s fairly clear to see the substantial drop off in Jones’s play. No one is doubting his intangibles as a veteran leader and consumate professional, but we needed more out of Jones on the field the last part of the season, and we definitely needed him strong going into the playoffs. This is exactly what happened to Jones in 2009 with the Jets, and no one can claim their O-line struggled against many opponents, so it’s not a surprise, nor is it really debatable, as it’s becoming a trend for TJ to wear down as the season comes into it’s twilight. On-field production lacked in the majority of the season (not just the latter half) as 8 of the 14 games Jones played in, he averaged under 4 yds. a carry, and stopping him was becoming all too easy for opponents late in the season, even the weak ones. The “whole story” is simply that, aiken.

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 24, 2011 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Exactly why I wanted a rookie running back drafted. TJ to show the rookie the ropes, rookied to take over for TJ in the 2nd half of the season when TJ becomes worthless on the field.

by ilchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think a lot of that can be related to Charlie Weis and his predictable

play calling.

If we knew it was coming at home on the couch, or standing in the bleacher seats. What do you think the opposing DC’s were thinking.

Charlie Weis did a lot of good for KC in terms of play calling, but he was also terrible. Charlie Day would have done a better job in some situations.

Charlie Wies and Thomas Jones were not a good pair.

meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 24, 2011 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Considering either Weis or Haley said that the RBs would be interchangeable at the beginning of the season, it was most disconcerting that teams could predict what play would be ran depending on if TJ or JC was in on offense.

Maybe Weis became a bit handicapped with his play calling (as would most OCs in the same situation), considering we watched TJ get ran on sweeps and get chased down for minimal gains or losses, and JC take shots up the middle that jarred the ball loose on regular occasions. I know I was cursing Weis through the season for not utilizing the strengths of his personnel, but if he did that from the start, his play calling, specifically the running plays, would have been predictable from the start of the season.

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 24, 2011 1:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I remember Haley saying that.

Something about how it was nice to have two running backs that could both run all the same plays….kinda ironic. Maybe that’s why Haley asked Jones to lose some pounds this off-season.

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by Brsrkr on Jul 24, 2011 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

The whole story includes a struggling o-line that was getting very tired at the end of the season. TJ did the same thing he had done all year, his help just began to fade. Those are the facts ma’am and they are not in dispute.

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by Aiken_Drum on Jul 24, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Either is speculation

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you on what you said about TJ, except for this
He makes plays when there are none

That is not something I ever saw him do. Like I said, I like him. I just want to make sure he doesn’t wear down again. That way he can be as productive all year as he was for the first 10 games or so last year.

And I’m drawn in (smacks head).

I hope you’re right about Baldwin. He certainly has the physical tools. And like it’s been pointed out, he did all right with horrible QB’s in college. And let’s face it, he could be barely average his first year and still be a 10x improvement over what we had :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree 100% on Baldwin

I like having players who have something to prove. I don’t get the impression that he is intimidated by the NFL in the least. If he comes out on the right side of that, we may just have ourselves something-else.

What I meant about TJ was really that he is very patient at finding holes to go through. Towards the end of the season, our o-line, for whatever reason, was failing to make those holes. Maybe TJ was a bit tired too, but we have no way of knowing for sure. I just believe that there are been precedents set for older backs to be productive and TJs career reads like a book on how to do that. He still doesn’t have that many carries as compared to many backs who have had fewer injuries. He should have another year just like last year with the added benefit of a passing game to give him some more room. I look for Charles and TJ to match or improve on what they did last year. Particularly in the TD department.

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by Aiken_Drum on Jul 24, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I sure hope

TJ doesn’t match what he did last year down the stretch. Perhaps you’re right and an added passing threat will make a difference.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hard defending Bowe at all

7 games with under 3 receptions (8 if you count the playoff game against BAL where he had 0), and take into account that those teams comprised of SF, IND, BUF, JAX, and STL…some of the worst secondaries in the league, keeping Bowe seems hazardous.

Fun Fact: Bowe consistently competes among the top 3 players for most dropped passes since 2008.

Pretty sure you want your “All Pro” (and I use that term loosely), to at least try to be effective in tight games and some sort of a leader on the field. Especially when playing in the post season.

This is why I advocate Fitzgerald over Bowe because currently, Bowe’s been about as trustworthy these last 3 years as Anthony Weiner.

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by shotty on Jul 23, 2011 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Shotty

be careful telling the truth about Bowe around here. Some of these guys may take offense. :)

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by Aiken_Drum on Jul 23, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup, just like Thomas Jones, huh aiken :-)

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

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by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 24, 2011 12:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Ha that ain't no lie!

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by shotty on Jul 24, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fun Fact: Last year's leaders in dropped passes were Wes Welker with 13 and Reggie Wayne with 12.

Bowe had six.

Bonus Fun Fact: Fitz had 3 or fewer receptions in four games last year – StL, Oak, Sea, Dal. Sea was a loss, the others were wins by 4 points, 1 point, and 1 point. Seems like Fitz has a tough time being effective in tight games….

Statistics and politicians are about equally trustworthy.

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by Brsrkr on Jul 24, 2011 4:54 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow, that felt like a double bonus

thanks for dropping some knowledge my way. Solid stats you picked up.

Doesn’t change my opinion that Fitz ( A 5 time Pro Bowler ‘05,’07,‘08,’09,’10. Named twice to the All Pro team ’08 & ’09, NFC Champion, and Pro Bowl MVP ’09), is far and away a better receiver/player/leader than Dwayne Bowe will ever be. Mainly because his “stats” reflect it.

You think Baldwin is going to reach his full potential learning under Bowe?

Just my opinion. Fitz > Bowe any day.

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by shotty on Jul 24, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha...

PFT is reporting Philly is interested in Favre. Classic.

by ilchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

AWESOME!!

I would love to see Farve in Green with silver wings.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 23, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually loved watching Favre play. When I wasn’t watching the Chiefs over the last few years I would watch Favre’s team if I had the chance. Guy is just fun to watch play. I think I liked him so much because he had nothing to do with the Chiefs.

by ilchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love Favre.

I don’t care what anybody says about the retire, unretire thing. The guy is an iron man and will be remembered as such when he makes the HOF.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 23, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

When Favre was on the Packers, I believe that the Chiefs were the last of the other 31 teams for him to beat. And that loss came at Arrowhead with a strike down the middle of the field to I believe Jennings late in the game for a TD. I was at that game and very painful to watch (especially because nearly half the crowd was wearing green). Love him or hate him, he was fun to watch play.

by ilchiefsfan on Jul 23, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

That loss took us to 4-4..

.. and we didn’t win a game the rest of the season.

by bamachief5558 on Jul 24, 2011 4:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

We're close

Need more competition at RT. Need to upgrade over TJ to complement Charles. I think we are good at WR, but if they bring in another to compete with Tucker, that’s good.

by ChiefConcern on Jul 23, 2011 10:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Tony GODzales

Out of curiosity, do you think we would have went further into the playoffs with Tony G, and if so how far?

by DMCbomb on Jul 24, 2011 1:45 AM CDT reply actions  

No

No because he didn’t even help out the Falcons.. Couldn’t help em get in 2 seasons ago, and couldn’t help em win a game in the playoffs last season.

by 'Ten Nard-Farage on Jul 24, 2011 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed -

And as much as I loved Gonzo,
that page has turned..

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by chiefsfan62 on Jul 24, 2011 9:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dont buy the notion that you need a power and finesse running game, the whole thunder and lightning concept just seems outdated.

Why not have another D Sproles or DexMex type for when JC gets hurt? Seems like power runners need an entirely different blocking scheme. Why get away from what you do well? Put Jones out to stud and bring in another small, quick back.

You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 24, 2011 10:24 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yup

Maybe then our play calling wouldn’t be forced to become so predictable. That’s why I advocate for a better FB to help clear lanes between the tackles for any RB we choose to run on the field, then maybe the coach-speak that the running backs will be “interchangable” would actually hold true

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

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by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 24, 2011 10:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't hate that

This is why I was interested in that Taiwan Jones, and why I hope Dex gets half a dozen carries a game. Even Sproles would be interesting if he came for cheap.

However, it would be good to have a guy that can slam into the line on 3rd and 1.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

really?

What makes you think he would be a good addition.

meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 24, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Charles were to get hurt

I think Bush would make up for the explosiveness.

by LookListenLearn on Jul 24, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

He would be nice in a perfect world.

but his constant knee injuries scare me… even the fibula in 2010

article on why/or why not San Diego should sign Reggie Bush. Boltsfromtheblue

If he could ever stay healthy he could be a force and a weapon for KC, but I doubt it will happen. Plus, he just burned me in Fantasy too much… so I am biased.

Read that article above, it is a decent read.

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 24, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Chiefs are close IMO

   O-line:
But they still need more “quality” depth at several positions. I still think we need a long term replacement for B.Waters, my hope is we draft a guy next year. We still need a upgrade at RT even though B.Richardson did pretty good, we need someone to push him or even take the spot.

  WRs:
We have no depth at WR and IMO this is the weakest position on the team. The Chiefs are one key injury away from having no one to count on. I love the addition of Baldwin he should take some of the attention off of Bowe, but i still would like to see another guy brought in to play slot, as well as a UDFA for that position. T.Moeaki was a great addition for us and IMO the best receiver the Chiefs have on the team right now, but again we’re one injury away from being junk at the position.
   
   RBs:
At first glance the Chiefs look good at RB, but if J.C was to get hurt we would go from a great rushing attack to average with no depth. I hope the Chiefs try to bring in another back just in case this happens. Then we come to the FB position which IMO is a big question mark at this point. I hope the Chiefs solved this problem with Bannon, it would be nice to have a good FB again.

Over all the ChiefS have the makings of a good offense just need more quality depth at WR/RT/RB.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jul 24, 2011 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

When depth is your only real problem.

and Free Agency is on the horizon. You are in good shape.

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 24, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the only depth the Chiefs need on the Oline is at tackle. Asamoah is a great long term replacement for Waters. Hudson should take over at center before long. A tackle to bring competition to Richardson and push for playing time is all the line needs.

by ilchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

J.Asamoah played RG, so I'm not sure if he's our futre LG or not depending on what the coaching staff do.es.

I was considering this our starting o-line for 2012.
B.Albert, B.Waters R.Hudson, J.Asamoah, and B.Richardson with the players we have now. If Waters retires then i would put R.Lilja at LG, and i put J.Asamoah at RG to help B.Richardson.

I Think J.Asamoah is going to be a great fit to our o-line and also give us that added push we need on short yardage situations.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jul 24, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wide receivers of interest from San Diego...

Boys. Take a look at San Diego’s free agency troubles will you????. All we do is talk about Breaston or Steve Smith…or Santana moss etc. How about Jackson, Floyd and Nenee all being free agents! I could see one of those guys leaving town…I see Floyd as a more realistic possibility for us. Allthough he’s another BIG WR. ( 6’5 220) Not sure he’s what we’re after. But if we could sign him, we’d be foolish not to. Having he and Bowe out there while Baldwin develops etc. Here’s his stats from last year:
11 games. 37 catches. 717 yards. No touchdowns. But averaged 19 plus.

I understand we need a slot guy. But can we argue that we don’t need another guy opposite of Bowe…even with Baldwin in town. San Diego will lose some guys. That’s just something that sticks out to me.
(Need I mention Jackson of course would be sweet!)

by KCLonghorn on Jul 24, 2011 12:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I like Bill Barnwell's advice on this one.

Beware free agents who were the second and third receivers in prolific offenses!

Phillip Rivers looked really impressive for large stretches of last year without Jackson, Floyd, or Naanee. It’s probably worth considering when looking at the stats of guys like Floyd that Rivers made Patrick Crayton and Seyi Ajirotutu look good.

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by MtHammer on Jul 24, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Floyd actually had 6 touchdowns. If the Chiefs can get him cheap, I would be all for it. Also, the Chargers are 19.4M under the projected cap, along with 3M option to borrow against the future cap. I don’t think that number includes the tender to Jackson, but they still should have plenty of room to sign Floyd, especially if they dump Sproles.

by ilchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 12:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I think they will keep two of the three

Now that Vincent Jackson has no wiggle room to get out of his franchise tag… according to the four letter.

I see them re-signing Floyd and letting Legedu Naanee go test the market.

let us take a peek…

6’2", 220lbs 4.41 in the forty… back in the day.

He has been in the league for awhile, this will be his fifth season and he is 27.

63 catches, 746 yards and 3 TDS for his entire career. Those numbers were with Phillip Rivers which should scare us away if that is the best he can do with one of (painful) better QB’s in the league.

Looking over Malcolm Floyd’s career

The numbers aren’t that flattering with Rivers and he is 29 years old. I think the Chiefs will go in a different direction than San Diego.

Though I always wanted to draft Vincent Jackson all of those years ago… now he just seems like a baby. He is a beastly baby though.

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 24, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure why everybody in the media loves Jackson. Bowe has put up better career numbers with much less talent on offense around him.

by ilchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dwayne Bowe got plenty of love last season during his stretch.

As Chiefs fans we can’t complain about that too much…

I would rather have Dwayne Bowe than Vincent Jackson, but if you could have both?

Not that I would really want Vincent Jackson with all of his grievances lately, but the man can play football, if he is on the field, that is.

Though you are right VJ only had two good/great seasons, and Dwayne Bowe has done more in a shorter career span. Though a notable thing to mention is the fact that Vincent Jackson went to Northern Colorado.

meh...
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 24, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

My bad on the touchdowns with Floyd....

I pulled his stats from san diego’s fan site…knew it didn’t sound right. Espn has him at six touchdowns. Even better. I wonder if they place more emphasis on Floyd over Jackson. There isn’t exactly a love affair between Jackson and their front office obviously. Not to mention Jackson comes with question marks now in regards to health…

my main point was to give an example of just one team who has so many guys to sign, and not sitting in a good position with the cap. We certainly should be able to add depth to say the least, at WR this offseason…

In Pioli I trust :)

by KCLonghorn on Jul 24, 2011 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the Raiders are in far worse position than the Chargers regarding the cap. Raiders are currently over, while the Chargers have 19.6M plus 3M to work with. Raiders should stand to lose more key pieces than the Chargers. Miller, Bush, Asamugoah, and Gallery all are unsigned and are over the cap already.

by ilchiefsfan on Jul 24, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry dude gotta disagree on battle

i think we couldnt ask for a better 3rd string back, he did give our offense a lift in the rams game and he has done a good job and even got a goal line touchdown against the jags, idk about him starting but i think hes a good number 2 or 3

by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 25, 2011 1:13 AM CDT reply actions  

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