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Want to know something that really bugs me?  Of course you do!  And I'll tell you... it really bugs me how little the casual Chiefs fan knows about the team he or she cheers for.  

I think we all know this guy (In the interest of trying to be PC, please allow for the phrase "guy" to cover all genders.  This is in no way meant to imply men are superior to women.  Can you tell I've been writing papers in academic circles for WAY too long?).  He watches the Chiefs when they're winning, misses at least half the games when they're losing, and consistently asks questions midway through the year like, "Hey, Who's Ryan Lilja and when did we get rid of what's-his-name?"

It drives me batty.  Want to know why?  Of course you do!  Well, this is a little embarrassing to admit, but I used to... I used to... I was kind of... See, I didn't really... uh... Crap, I'll just go ahead and say it: I was a casual fan.  

It hurts to admit, but until about four years back I was one of those people who didn't really know the team.  I can't say why it changed.  Maybe finally settling down and getting married made me more committed to all aspects of life.  Maybe I realized my sacred duty to pass along Chiefsfandom (that's right, you read that correctly English majors) to my children.  Or perhaps it was all the spare time I discovered after climbing on the wagon.  In any event, I'm a fanatic now, and wouldn't have it any other way.

 But returning to my point (well, actually, it's more like GETTING to my point, since I've been a little busy chasing rabbit trails), casual fans just don't know enough about the team to carry on a good conversation with a diehard fan.  So in the interest of raising everyone's enjoyment level, I've compiled a list of facts and opinions about the Chiefs I believe even the casual fan should know if he wants to be taken seriously.  

***Note*** This may also be helpful for fans of other teams whose only exposure to the Chiefs has been ESPN.  

Star-divide

1.  Matt Cassel isn't worthy of being referred to as a "Pro Bowl Quarterback" yet

I figured I may as well start off with something that'll get me hammered right out of the gate.  OK, I'm going to give everyone a second to think of a great insult to throw at me for being a Cassel-basher.

(waits)

(waits)

(twiddles thumbs)

Need help?  That's surprising.  Seriously, it should not be hard at all to think of mean things to say to/about me.  Here, I'll do it for you.

"MN, you don't know crap about the Chiefs, and tossing out your opinion like it's fact is just stupid!  Cassel had a great year, you're a moron.  An arrogant, fence-straddling moron.  That is all."

There, now we can move on.  Look, I MYSELF have referred to Cassel as a Pro Bowl QB.  Because technically, it's true.  He did in fact play in the Pro Bowl last year.  Here's where the issue lies... it's all about the language.  Referring to him casually as a "Pro Bowl QB" makes it sound as though he A) Was in fact chosen to be in the Pro Bowl as something other than an alternative, and B) Has made multiple Pro Bowls.

See the problem there?  While the language is technically correct, it's misleading.  While that makes for great politics, it tarnishes the debate (and isn't honest debate the name of the game in politics and on AP?  No?).  Cassel is a decent QB who made big strides last season but has a ways to go before he's someone we can count on to win us games.  And in my opinion (let me stress that word... OPINION), someone who gets referred to as a Pro Bowl QB needs to be able to win games by himself sometimes.  In other words, he needs a certain Manningness (that's right, another made up word).  And ol' Matty Nice ain't got it yet.  Although I think he'll get it this year.  But that's for another day.

2.  Glenn Dorsey is a good 3-4 DE

So much has been said about this (a lot by me) that I won't get into it all that much.  Just trust me, Casual Fan.  Dorsey is NOT a bust.  He is NOT an average player.  He IS our best defensive lineman.  He is NOT trade fodder that we're looking to unload.  Go check the stats, and watch just a LITTLE game tape.  Please?  Pretty please?  Ah, who am I kidding, the Casual Fan doesn't do that.  So you're just gonna have to trust me.

3.  Kendrick Lewis had an excellent rookie year

When people (and by people, I mean ESPN/NFL Network/most blogs) talk about the Chiefs secondary it's all about the corners and Eric Berry.  And in a way, it should be.  After all, Berry improved at a genuinely frightening rate last year and did everything he could to win but pull out a gun and shoot Todd Heap during our playoff game against the Ravens (which may have been the only way we could have won.  I'm not saying it would've been ethical.  But effective?  Well... You know what, let's just move on...).  Combine that with Lewis battling injuries and what we've got is a big case of "the overlookies"  (I'm going to try and set a record for words invented in a single story).

Know this Casual Fan... When Lewis didn't play, we lost 3 of 4 games.  Several of which we lost in depressingly impressive (or dempressive, if you will) fashion.  He's athletic, smart, and is going to be a part of our team for years and years if Pioli's got his head on straight.

4.  Brandon Carr is overrated

BOOM!  I just broke the internet!  Before I get strung up (or even worse, have mean emails sent to me) let me talk to you about a sports theory I once read, and one that I believe is currently affecting Carr's status among fans.  It's a phenomenon I call the overrated-for-being-underrated syndrome (and no, not even I will attempt to turn that into one word).

I'll throw you an example.  Remember when Big Ben Wallace of the Detroit Pistons was the most underrated center in basketball?  Well, so many people started talking about how underrated he was as a defensive force and team player he ended up becoming OVERRATED to the point that the Bulls signed him to a "franchise center" contract despite the fact that he had absolutely zero offensive ability.  I personally think the 'fro had something to do with it, as well as the two-handed shove he gave Ron Artest that set off the Malice in the Palace (easily the greatest shove ever given in the history of shoving.  No wonder Artest went after a fan instead of Big Ben).  But the point is, it became fashionable to talk about how underrated Wallace was, and through that, he became overrated.

The same thing is happening to Carr.  He was underrated throughout last year as he played just as well or better down the stretch than a hobbled Brandon Flowers.  He was CRUCIAL in the defensive clinic we put on in the second Broncos game (crucial enough that I wrote him a poem.  Seriously).  He played some good ball and didn't get much credit for it.

Well, now the national media has caught on to this fact.  I've seen Carr's name on every single "underrated" list that's been made over the last month.  I've even seen some stories talking about Carr being the better of our two young corners.  It's the "big secret" that isn't a secret at all anymore.

Let me make this clear: when not limping around on a bad hamstring, Brandon Flowers is a much better cornerback than Brandon Carr.  He proved it as he outplayed every corner in the NFL prior to getting hurt during the Raiders game (while in the process of getting destroyed like the young cop on Reservoir Dogs, courtesy of Jacoby Ford).  Carr's a good player, but not quite as good as the hype he's been getting lately.  He still doesn't turn his head around often enough and gets burned for it.  Now, by this time next year I may be eating these words.  And I hope I am.

5.  Jamaal Charles is not a scatback, a change of pace back, or bringing Sexy Back

Yes, I know, a Justin Timberlake reference.  Ugh.  But seriously, look at the guy's dating record and tell me he doesn't deserve at least a little respect (Britney Spears, Jessica Biel, Scarlett Johansson, and Cameron Diaz.  And all at their absolute peak.  C'mon, name another guy with a track record like that).  Anyways...

If you're a Casual Fan or a fan from another team, you've probably already gotten a least a little more enlightened on this subject lately.  JC's been getting a lot of love.  But much of that love still centers around the idea that he needs to become a "featured back".  Crap, even people here at times refer to him as a change of pace back.

Let's squash this once and for all.  Darren Sproles is a change of pace back.  He gets about 5 or 6 carries a game, and catches a couple of passes in the process.  To be frank, my dream is that Dexter McCluster one day becomes our change of pace guy.  But in the meantime, look at JC's numbers.  And no, not his ungodly YPC.  I mean his number of TOUCHES.

230 carries, 45 catches.  So 275 touches.  Find a "scatback" with that number of touches.  You won't.  Because Jamaal Charles isn't a scatback.  he's a franchise running back, and every single stat backs it up.  Is he small?  Yep.  Is he still awesome at every aspect of the game (including getting yards after contact, something a scatback just can't do)?  Yep.  So let it go.  We don't have a really good change of pace back.  We've got a great, great running back.

 

There are lots of other things I feel the Casual Fan (oh, what the heck, why not... the Cafan) should know, but my fingers hurt and I'm  not getting paid for this.  If you've got a few need-to-know facts or opinions for the Cafan, toss it in the ring.  I'm sure they'll be just as good as the ones I came up with.  Think of it as a public service you're performing by increasing the quality of Chiefs talk among Cafans.  And who knows, if you teach a Cafan enough about the Chiefs, maybe they'll turn into a full fledged fanatic like us.    

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You were doing well until...
a Justin Timberlake reference

and then you lost all credibility :)

This is like your “Arguing with Idiots” series except with some examples from the opposite, more “negative” angle; Cassel ISN’T a pro-bowl QB, Carr is OVERrated. You should have called it “Arguing with the Positive Idiots” (or Pidiots)

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 2, 2011 5:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 2, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec, rec, a thousand times rec

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 2, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

awesome!

and I love Todd for it!

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 2, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 2, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 2, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha!

I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.

by Chiefs_swagger on Jul 2, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jul 3, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh man, I haven't seen that movie in so long.

Royals over/under on losses: 96
Chiefs Will...hopefully not take a step back in 2011.

by Chiefsdad on Jul 8, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another fact

MNchiefsfan is getting the job done. Most fools don’t know this…

We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.

by Flowers24 on Jul 2, 2011 5:29 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Is it wrong if I rec this? Too egotistical?

I’ll just leave it alone…

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 2, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Egotistical might be the nicest thing you've been called on this blog.

It is what it is and we are who we are.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
Not all those who wander are lost. /////// I dont mind stealing bread.

by nateforchiefs on Jul 2, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

All good

Although I’m not sure about TJ :). Of course, unless Michael Bush hits FA I don’t see a clear upgrade out there…

I think T-Jax’s continued development (and health) will be one of the keys to this next season, along with Baldwin playing at least decently (which would be a massive upgrade for us at the #2 WR spot).

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 2, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

MN, another great post

I’m gonna slightly disagree on Carr. He got laser eye surgery this offseason so he should be able to track that ball much better but besides that I agree with everything else.

by RamX21 on Jul 2, 2011 5:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Did he seriously?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 2, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well maybe he will turn those passes defended into INT's baby

One more reason for a super bowl, his vision correction makes me more blind. Go figure.

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 2, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

And all the more reason to lock him up now, before he gets even better…

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 2, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting change of pace MN Rec'd

To the Casual fan: the Chiefs will win the Super Bowl, just stay on board for the free drinks during the Super bowl Parties.

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jul 2, 2011 5:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I like it!

Of course, to get on board with the free drinks I’d have to fall off the wagon…

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 2, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

1. I hate the Pro Bowl. It is irrelevant. Cassel will bring us to the Super Bowl. You know, the relevant one.
2, 3, 4. I’ll buy that.
5. Totally agree. Nobody talks about Chris Johnson that way and Jamaal is better than him. So, I don’t get it.

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 2, 2011 6:27 PM CDT reply actions  

You can't take away the fact that Chris Johnson is more of a feature back than Charles

Charles has better game breaking skills but Johnson can duck his head and run over second level defenders too

BOOM!

by 808NaNz808 on Jul 2, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

CJ is good

but he may be breaking down already. Don’t get me wrong, I think and have advocated Jamaal getting more carries. But, I don’t want Jamaal to have the ONLY carries.

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 2, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I've never seen CJ do that

But I’ll take your word for it. JC led the league in yards after initial contact last year though, so clearly he’s capable of breaking tackles. I’d rather a guy who wiggles through for a couple extra and avoids the huge hit.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 2, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the mode of

Marcus Allen. I loved watching him wriggle through tackles for 2, 3, or 4 extra yards, and it seemed like he never took hard hits either.

True believer?

by rondon on Jul 4, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

i personlly agree with haley (last year)

the way they used the two running backs was nothing less than amazing. and we know tat charles is the best back but why wear a man out? the scheme worked and there is nothing else to say. put charles out all the time and he is gonna get tired and hurt.what more do yu want from a guy but leage leading numbers. the name of the possition doesn’t matter to me at all. just the production.

by reddad4 on Jul 3, 2011 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like the tandem

I just think they need to switch the percentages to give Jamaal more carries.

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 3, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brandon Carr is most certainly not overrated

Where is all this mainstream media hype you speak of?

Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011

by ArrowSpread on Jul 2, 2011 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Best looking woman of all time

I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.

by Chiefs_swagger on Jul 2, 2011 6:38 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

yep

I hit Ctrl, Alt, Insert, Page Up and this picture pops up on my screen. :)

I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.

by Chiefs_swagger on Jul 2, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

you have a Virus

Penicillen should take care of that for you

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 2, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

insert

was the only word I read

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 2, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

makes the key shortcut that much easier to remember

I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.

by Chiefs_swagger on Jul 2, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

good post MN

I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.

by Chiefs_swagger on Jul 2, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

wat u got?

I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.

by Chiefs_swagger on Jul 2, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 2, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice

Salma’s gotta be my 2nd fav

I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.

by Chiefs_swagger on Jul 2, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok, dark hair makes me weak

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 2, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I honestly think shes a 6 at best

and shes all made up and airbrushed for the pic

by RamX21 on Jul 2, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

You need to ask Carr where he got them lasers shot in his eyes

I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.

by Chiefs_swagger on Jul 2, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I applaud you

Does she wear Chiefs gear?

Haha, joking, don’t answer that.

I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.

by Chiefs_swagger on Jul 2, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

She does actually

Shes been breakin my balls to get her a dex jersey

by RamX21 on Jul 2, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

So do my wife and her have to throw down

For “Queen of AP” title?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 2, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mrs. Primetime, and Mrs. AP might take issue with that lol

Now I gotta find my Big Charlies t-shirt pic to put back up.

by RamX21 on Jul 2, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

What a beautiful woman

It is what it is and we are who we are.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
Not all those who wander are lost. /////// I dont mind stealing bread.

by nateforchiefs on Jul 2, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry, having a mind blank

who is this? of course, my upper brain isn’t working real well currently

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jul 2, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flapjacks can be fixed

I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.

by Chiefs_swagger on Jul 2, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

True true ... she'd be amazing with a little breast augmentation ;P

She’d definitely be on my island list … Cassel is a lucky guy

by RatsoReily on Jul 3, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

+infinity

Royals over/under on losses: 96
Chiefs Will...hopefully not take a step back in 2011.

by Chiefsdad on Jul 8, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey MN

Where do you think Haley falls in the top coaches in the NFL? Top 10?

I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.

by Chiefs_swagger on Jul 2, 2011 6:49 PM CDT reply actions  

It's tough to say

I’d have to put him in the top 10 for getting the most out of players. X’s and O’s he’s average at best so far.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 2, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

He hasn't had all the toys to play with to really show what he can do.

Give Haley a little more time and he’ll show he’s a great offensive Coach. He’d just better be paying Crennel the big bucks cuz without him we don’t get to the playoffs. We’ve really got a great duo .. in essense 2 head coachs.

by RatsoReily on Jul 2, 2011 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Total BS my friend, comparing Manning, who had receivers who catch the ball and

our own Mr. Nice Guy who didn’t. But I’ll agree he still has lots more to prove, but carrying the team? I think he has shown the ability for this, but he cannot throw the ball then make the catches. You have opinions that are OK and some I disagree with-Ain’t it GREAT!! How boring it would be if we all thought the same.

by dubld on Jul 2, 2011 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd just like to know

when Cassel has shown the ability to carry the team? Seriously, I want an example.

The thing about QBs like Manning is they make completions to tons oof different receivers. Guys you’ve never heard of.

Same with Brady, Brees, even McNabb. These guys don’t just have a bunch of elite receivers sitting around on the bench — they make catchable throws. It requires accuracy an an understanding and awareness of what’s going on on the field.

Manning hits guys on the numbers, away from defenders. He and other QBs put no name receivers in the stat book. Guys who would probably mysteriously drop more balls in KC. THAT is the ability to carry a team, and THAT is what Cassel has not shown.

You show me Cassel dropping dimes and I’ll show you a Super Bowl team.

by bamachief5558 on Jul 3, 2011 12:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Rams game last year

I thought he carried the team, at critical points, in the game. He showed leadership and poise while playing how many days after surgery? You’ve got to give the guy his due. When he first came to KC I really questioned the decision. His play certainly confirmed that concern but he has gotten better and the team has gotten better. He had an unreal amount of dropped passes but he also had way too many bad throws to wide open receivers. So I figure this is his break-out year. It’s time to show he belongs in the NFL, as a starting QB, and I think he’ll do it.

by RatsoReily on Jul 3, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would be a boring world indeed :)

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 3, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a once casual fan

And now so maybe too much of a homer I don’t think any Chiefs are overrated.

by Spiderwomn69 on Jul 2, 2011 8:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

You mean

Larry Johnson isn’t with the Chiefs anymore????
j/k

"What we need is......more cowbell." - C. Walken

by ChiefMedic on Jul 2, 2011 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't really understand this "was once a casual fan thing"

I mean, I guess I was a casual fan when I was really young but I was the one leading the charge in my family. My mom and step-dad are now passionate fans because I rubbed off on them. I was 12 years old, watching the game in the den by myself while my brother and parents did other things.

by rdub on Jul 2, 2011 11:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I've liked the Chiefs since I was very young

But only in recent years have I been obsessed.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 2, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was basically born into being a Chiefs fan

and went to a Chiefs-Broncos game at Arrowhead when I was very young… mid-nineties. But I didn’t REALLY start keeping up with them like a hardcore fan until around the turn of the millenium. Granted, I was very young and it takes one obsessive kid to be examining the stat sheets much younger than I was, but I did relate to that aspect of this post.

by bamachief5558 on Jul 3, 2011 12:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haha sounds good to me

I’m guessing there’d be more than a few of us

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 3, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

we couldnt get carr above a 72 in madden till we started winning this year

hes incredibly UNDERRATED…thats just a fact

Lewis did have a nice rookie year

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Jul 2, 2011 11:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Not anymore

I’ve seen his name mentioned in at least 4 national columns talking about the all underrated team. Also in two separate “breakout players” lists. I’m telling you, even here we see people saying he’s just as good as Flowers.

Overrated for being underrated, I’m telling you! You gotta believe me :)

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 3, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know it's not nearly the best thing to measure a CB by...

But 25 passes defensed is a lot.. and watching Carr play this year, he played really really well.

He is written about in underrated articles because NOBODY KNOWS WHO HE IS. Most people barely know who Flowers is, if at all. They sure as hell don’t know “the other guy”.

He lead the league in Passes Defensed, and nobody at all knows who the guy is, that’s why he is considered underrated. And, honestly, he looked better than Flowers last season, I’m just sayin’. I know Flowers played hurt but I was pretty underwhelmed by him based on the expectations and Carr just outplayed him.

That’s called underrated. You can’t call a player overrated if people still confuse the two CBs names.

by bamachief5558 on Jul 3, 2011 12:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

Flowers didn’t even make the top 100 list. How does a guy who was, at one point, being compared to a guy that may end up top 5 (Revis) not make the top 100. Flowers and Carr are both underrated from what I’ve seen.

by ChiefJamesthe2nd on Jul 3, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

That’s all I’ll give you. Maybe :)

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 3, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

so exactly how many pd's does carr need to justify being rated just right? Ive only seen him getting props as an underrated player, which is hardly high praise

its just a way of saying you are better than given credit for

whoop de doo

that doesnt say much when it comes to KC

25 PD’s tend to draw attention regardless of how often you dont turn around

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Jul 2, 2011 11:32 PM CDT reply actions  

When I first went through reading only your 5 titles I was about ready to rip into you about #1 and #4

However after reading it, you make a lot of sense on both. Still think Matt Cassel is a pro bowl quarterback though because he has made a Pro Bowl even if it was as an alternate. :D

Dear Scott Pioli,

Great job on the 2011 NFL Draft. Now please bring Shaun Smith back for 2011.

by ChiefsFan90s on Jul 3, 2011 1:41 AM CDT reply actions  

And that logic is flawless, I admit.

Thanks for not hurting me :)

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 3, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

TECHNICALLY he is a "Pro Bowl QB" because he has played in a Pro Bowl.

But when people say “Pro Bowl QB” I think they are usually talking about one who consistently plays like he is that caliber of QB (the best in the league, where Cassel really falls about halfway down the list).

Derek Anderson is just as much of a Pro Bowl QB as Cassel.

by bamachief5558 on Jul 3, 2011 12:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cassel to Anderson analogy...

SHENANIGANS!!!!

Your summary execution will be delivered by strippers wielding morning stars. And the fact that what you say is true will limit the strippers to a minimum age of 67. For shame sir.

by mushin on Jul 3, 2011 1:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haha!

Nooooo!! Well since I’m already getting mauled to death by naked old ladies, Vince Young made the Pro Bowl his rookie year! Suck on that one VY haters and Cassel devotees!

by bamachief5558 on Jul 3, 2011 1:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

ex casual

too tell the truth i get goosebumps reading and talking about the potential of our team this year. the talent and the promise after all the years of not being a ( fair weather fan) good team. i just cant wait for this damn lock out to end. GET THE SHOW ONTHE ROAD MEN!!!!!!!!!!

by reddad4 on Jul 3, 2011 6:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I went from casual to die hard fan

gradually, since I’m not originally from KC. Once I moved here I always followed the Chiefs because I’ve always just been a die hard NFL fan in general. And you always have an awareness of the local team. I showed up and was an extremely casual fan during the Vermeil era, and that alone would never give you the excitement and passion that I’m sure people developed for the Chiefs during the Schottenheimer era.

Coming up on Herm’s last year, I was one of the “give him this third year to prove something before being a rabid basher” kind of guys. But as he proved that the Peterson/Edwards era was just not going to get it done, I jumped on board the “fire Herm” bandwagon. Which was unfair because it was really all about getting rid of Peterson more than anything else. So when that time finally came, I realized that there could be hope for a new system that could get me excited for this local team, especially when Pioli arrived.

The people that didn’t want Herm fired were still gracing us with their presence on the airwaves, but it didn’t bother me. By and large, everyone was excited about the Pioli hire and his decision to let Herm go. I knew that if someone as seasoned as Pioli were going to run the show, there had to be a continuity of football philosophy that spanned from GM to waterboy.

What did bother me, however, was the instant gratification crowd that started to flood sports talk radio during the ‘09 season. Heck, that tool Roger Twibell (still can’t believe he had his own show) was actually still mad that Peterson had been fired. Many others would never give the new regime a chance even early in the season. Don’t even get me started on Whitlock. The obvious fact that all great franchises take time to develop seemed to be thrown out the window.

That’s when I started really rooting for these guys. I started to feel a passion for the Chiefs that I hadn’t even felt for my childhood heros, the Chicago Bears. I saw the Pioli/Haley system being installed, and while some bashed Haley’s record, I knew it wasn’t even about wins or losses yet. I felt proud that we were here as Chiefs fans, witnessing the beginnings of a solid franchise being built. Not one like the Vermeil days when you could have a great season, but really nothing solid to assure you that next year would be similar or better.

Once the 2010 season was in full swing and we were seeing the fruits of Pioli and Haley’s labor, it felt so awesome to stick it to the guys who bashed Pioli for being Belichick’s puppet or Haley for being a complete and utter moron. The Chiefs had become my team. No casual fan here.

by old_school on Jul 3, 2011 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice.

Isn’t it funny sometimes remebering the passion with which some people are TOTALLY against something and then how it actually turns out?

Never understood anyone who though Herm was doing just fine and was against the Pioli hire.

by bamachief5558 on Jul 3, 2011 1:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

awesome stuff, MN ... only point of contention, Barrister, is the following ...
Berry improved at a genuinely frightening rate last year and did everything he could to win but pull out a gun and shoot Todd Heap during our playoff game against the Ravens (which may have been the only way we could have won. I’m not saying it would’ve been ethical. But effective? Well … )

Sadly, even that wouldn’t have made enough of a difference ..,

as for “Casual Fan” my thinking is the “typical” casual fan has a hometeam that wears this, although “casual” might be giving them too much credit

Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
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by upamtn on Jul 3, 2011 6:33 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Touche my friend

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 3, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

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