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Andy Studebaker Says Chiefs Got Better End Of Mike Vrabel Trade

In the football world, we can usually identify exactly how much a particular player is worth. We do that through the value of the player's contract, the price tag on a trade or how much the player is on the field. There are ways to put numbers on a player's value.

But when the Kansas City Chiefs sent the 34th overall pick to the New England Patriots for QB Matt Cassel and LB Mike Vrabel, it was hard not to think the Chiefs got a sweetheart deal -- and that had very little to do with Vrabel. 

In the end, though, Chiefs players came to understand the value of Vrabel on the defense. LB Andy Studebaker, who benefited from Vrabel's presence perhaps more than any other player on the team in the last two years, believes he was actually invaluable in Kansas City.

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"Ultimately, the guy is invaluable as a leader," Studebaker told Nick Wright on 610 Sports Monday afternoon. "You don't know how to value that leadership in the locker room when a guy whose been winning Super Bowls, been to big games throughout 14 years in his career and has been the hardest worker on his team, that's invaluable."

Studebaker sure didn't think Vrabel was a "throw-in" to the trade that brought Cassel to KC.

"We were blessed to have Mike in that deal," Studebaker told Nick Wright. "I can assure you that was done intentionally. I think we got the better end of that deal for sure. Not just me, but the stuff the other guys on the team who were my age, learned -- we were a young team and we got to grow up under that leadership. We learned a lot.

"Going forward, Mike set the bar for the Chiefs. He set the bar for the organization, for the others on the team -- this is what an offseason looks like, this is what preparation during the week looks like, this is what game day looks like on Sunday and ultimately this is what the playoffs look like. He guided us through that and you can't put a price tag on that."

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I really like Andy Studebaker.

I hope he learned a lot from Mike Vrabel in the last couple years. It could bode very well for our team and an area a lot of folks see as a weak spot.

by bamachief5558 on Jul 11, 2011 4:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

yup, it counts ...

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by upamtn on Jul 11, 2011 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

vrabel was great for this team

although he was terrible as far as production on the field (i mean really, just absolutely god awful), he had SO MUCH value to the chiefs. he helped to re-establish a winning attitude in the chiefs’ locker room. he was a coach on the field, and i’m sure studebaker learned a lot from him, considering how smart studebaker is.

Eric Berry + Brandon Flowers = a pissed off Phillip Rivers

by fivehead on Jul 11, 2011 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I am certainly not going to argue that Vrabel was a stud for us last year

But to say that he was “terrible” and “god-awful” is taking it way to far man. He was still a good player against the run last year, yes he struggled rushing the passer and defending the pass, but he wasn’t the worst guy we put on the field by any means.

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by nateforchiefs on Jul 11, 2011 5:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Late in the season teams figured out that they could run straight at him

Dude was beyond worthless on the field in the second half of the season last year.

You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 12, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vrabel was the worst of our 22 starters last year

He was beyond bad, and Studey should have played at least 3/4 of the snaps last year. I’m glad Mike took the decision out of Haley’s hands, because the one fault I sometimes have with Haley is his defference to longtime vets, and reluctance to replace them on the field, even through declining, or in thgis case non existant production.

by dablueguy on Jul 12, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

andy studebaker had to learn a lot from vrabel, and seems to always be "around" haley etc listening in.

id like to think hes an instant upgrade over last year’s vrabel

and once again, vrabel and cassel helped turn this around. For that the trade was worth it. Heck Vrabel gave us more than we got from a majority of our 2000-2007 2nd rd draft picks

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Jul 11, 2011 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Can't put a price on it, Studey?

I can, about $6 million, your contact extension.
Thus far, your play hasn’t translated to the worth of that extension, and I’m under the belief that you were given that contract because of being a Vrabel-esque player: buys-in, works hard, lunch pail player that’s not overly talented, but smart enough to have potential. Vrabel may have even given the recommendation to Pioli/Haley to lock you up early because of that potential he thinks he sees in you. Now its time to prove it, young buck.

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 11, 2011 4:18 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

he has...hes played very well in limited time...he makes effort plays that few seem to notice....berry picks one for a score, who is blocking all the way? Studebaker

he works hard, he says the right things.

I see no reason to doubt him, and I see even less reason to throw in any complaints about contract money, considering we will have to spend so much to hit the floor its not even funny

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Jul 11, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Effort is something that is hard to teach n

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 11, 2011 4:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Damn

Effort is hard to teach, no doubt.

But it doesn’t change his shortcomings talent-wise. He needs improvement against the run and pass, while showing a consistent pass rush if he wants to be more than a ST player blocking for the real playmakers. I have always had my doubts about Studey, not gonna lie, but its on him now to show he deserves more than just a limited role, because Vrabel isn’t in his way anymore

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 11, 2011 4:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Legitimate point

Don’t know the man personally but from what I’ve learned about him through a mutual friend is that the guy has a devotion to this game and being the best he can be that is second to none. This sounds consistant with everything we’ve ever read about him in the media. I’m confident in saying that if he doesn’t produce it won’t be because of a lack of work ethic or attitude. What we see is what we will get. Let’s hope Vrabel didn’t waste his time with him over the past 2 years. I don’t think so.

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by ChiefMedic on Jul 11, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly I'm surprised so many people doubt him...

Almost every time Studebaker is in the game I see him making plays. I don’t remember him whiffing a play at all. Which you could be right and I could be wrong but I think everyone will be impressed with Studebaker’s all around game. I also don’t think Houston wins the starting job from him.

by groundedchevy on Jul 12, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

And just to clarify

I want complaining about his contract, I was just making a play on Studey’s words. His contract is fine, if he can become a consistent player at LB.

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 11, 2011 4:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

wonder how much

he helped DJ? DJ going from inconsistant to consistantly productive can’t be attributed to general experience. It just can’t. DJ was a veteran by all accounts when Vrable, Hali and Crennel got here but one of them (or all of them) definitely helped him improve

by rdub on Jul 11, 2011 4:19 PM CDT reply actions  

DJ was a veteran by all accounts when Vrable, Hali and Crennel got here but one of them (or all of them) definitely helped him improve

Or none of them…it could simply be that DJ responded to Haley’s tough love the same way Bowe did, and finally started giving a damn.

Haley tells it like it is, and the players know that….and now most if not all of them respect that.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 11, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although anything we say is just speculation

Considering what Romeo’s job is, I think he probably had the most impact on DJ, along with Haley.

That is cray-z.

by DrDC on Jul 11, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to say....

Pats got rid of two players they really didn’t need and got a S T U D safety in return. I hope this team gets to the point where we can flip our aging vets or backups for high draft picks.

You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 11, 2011 4:20 PM CDT reply actions  

so true.

they have set themselves up to compete for however long they want to. its almost unfair, but at the same time amazing. Time to get read Patriots Reign again.

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Jul 11, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Done

See: Tony Gonzalez.

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 11, 2011 4:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Okay, let me fix that....

I hope we can flip our aging vets or backups for S T U D, Pat Chung like, draft picks. Oh Arenas, why couldn’t you have been Cody?

You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 11, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Arenas, as a rookie, was a huge upgrade over what we had as a nickel corner AND as a returner.

Cody is beastly, but he’s a rotational player. Nobody thinks he is more than a 2 down player. He is too slow and gets gassed to easily.

by bamachief5558 on Jul 11, 2011 4:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Aren't nickel backs rotational players?

Where’s the beef?

You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 11, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

In Baltimore.

"You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything."

by BigRedChief on Jul 11, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Powe-burger!

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 11, 2011 4:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What about Powe-boy-samich?

"You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything."

by BigRedChief on Jul 11, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Powe-boy as the dessert

Main course: seared-edwards with a side of deep-fried (freeze) Smith

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 11, 2011 4:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Isn't Cody as well?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 11, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

Arenas still has some work to do. Too early to tell the outcome on him or Cody yet though. But players like Waters, DJ, or Lilja might not be too far behind Tony netting us some high picks

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 11, 2011 4:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You're kidding right?

133 tackles in 2 seasons (everyone’s loverboy Studebaker has 59 in 3 seasons). 2 sacks, 4 INTs, 1 for a TD, a blocked punt and a blocked field goal to go along with 9 passes defended last year. Dude is a stud safety who is getting better.

You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 11, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have our own S T U D safety..

Eric Berry and one season compared to the 2 of Chung.
92 tackles
2 sacks
1 FF
4 interceptions

by tomahawk44 on Jul 11, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not trying to compare Berry to Chung

Just saying that the Pats flipped 2 guys they didn’t need for a stuf

You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 11, 2011 4:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Stud stuf, you get it

You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 11, 2011 4:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rare incident where it's worked out for both teams

You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 11, 2011 6:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rare incident where it's worked out for both teams

You can't live that American dream on foot, bro. Aint nobody riding horses no more.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 11, 2011 6:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Too be fair

Chung isn’t too bad. Needless to say though, taking the chance on a possible franchise QB and a much needed veteran for a very young and immature team was 1000 times more valuable than any player in the 2nd round of the 2009 draft, including Chung, imo

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

When some kid says that a modern day player is their "hero", tell them about Joe, and what a real hero is.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jul 11, 2011 4:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1 to this

Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...

by JHWK on Jul 11, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

2nd round pick for their backup QB and a linebacker they would have been releasing.

Not really a hookup. I’m not even complaining about the trade, I’ve always though it was pretty much fair.. but let’s not delude ourselves and act like we got some special Pioli discount or something.

by bamachief5558 on Jul 11, 2011 6:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

2nd round pick for their backup QB

A backup QB for whom at least four or five teams would have given up a first round pick…for just the QB

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 11, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is true.

Stumbled across some Vikings fans’ comments somewhere recently wanting to give a 1st for him.

I wasn’t disappointed with the trade, I just don’t think it was deal or a steal, inentionally or actually.

by bamachief5558 on Jul 11, 2011 7:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gotta agree with you here

The Pats didn’t need Cassel and Vrabel and got a starter for getting rid of them.. That’s how you stay on top.

BOOM!

by 808NaNz808 on Jul 11, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

In what universe is Patrick Chung a stud?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jul 11, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Been sayinbg this

if Studebaker locks up the starting job for a long time and Cassel can continue to play at the rate of growth he’s been playing at, we robbed New England big time.

BOOM!

by 808NaNz808 on Jul 11, 2011 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

... then Hudson sits on the bench a lot
if Studebaker locks up the starting job for a long time …

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by upamtn on Jul 11, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

erm, Houston

whichever one that we got at LB

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by upamtn on Jul 11, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Houston used as a situational player

He was a part timer in college. Plus if Studebaker and Hali prove to be a good 1 2 the we could place Houston all over the field and really screw with opposing offensive lines

BOOM!

by 808NaNz808 on Jul 11, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well yeah

Its called Nickel package.

Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong

Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.

by ChiefWarPaint on Jul 11, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nickel down pass rusher, playing roughly 50% of the snaps...

Still works for me.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jul 11, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know who got a good deal? Mike Vrabel.

Mike was obviously expendable to the Pats. It was clear to me that his skills were starting to drop off. In NE he was going to be released or benched. He comes to KC and gets to play for a few more seasons and would have for longer had he not taken the Ohio St. job.

"You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything."

by BigRedChief on Jul 11, 2011 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

good point

plus he has “helped bring KC back to relevance” on his HoF resume now.. I don’t think he’ll get in but he’ll definitely be a nominee at least once

BOOM!

by 808NaNz808 on Jul 11, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Leadership and Experiance

Vrabel was defiantly on the decline of his career and the Chiefs didn’t get much on the field from him as far a production. Studie, his understudy pointed out the intangible quality that he brought to the team. Scott knew this when he was brought in with Cassel as a trade and I am convinced he made this young team better. In every team environment you need leadership and experience to be successful. Studie could not wait to thank Vrabel for that invaluable experience he gained as a young player. Set the example, lead the team and raised the bar for a young dynamic team. Can’t wait to see the competition for his spot because I thought during last season Studie should have started.

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by Kramer152 on Jul 11, 2011 6:25 PM CDT reply actions  

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