A Few Thoughts On The Kansas City Chiefs
by Brian Galliford on Jun 9, 2011 7:49 PM CDT
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Greetings, Arrowhead Pride!
Over the past several days, I've been taking my sweet old time - thanks, NFL lockout - reviewing last year's overtime game between your Kansas City Chiefs and the team I cover here at SB Nation, the Buffalo Bills. In case you've forgotten (you probably haven't), the Chiefs squeaked by a winless Bills team on Halloween, winning 13-10 with just a few seconds remaining in overtime.
While it's true that the emphasis of the review was to look at Bills personnel, I thought I'd drop by and offer a few thoughts - from an admitted Chiefs outsider - on some of your team's players. I don't profess to be an expert, and I've only really studied the Chiefs in this one contest (something that will change should the lockout end in time for our two teams to square off in Week 1), but I wanted to share some of this with you anyway. It's all after the jump.
First, I'll state the obvious: Jamaal Charles is a stud. Y'all know that. I also understand that Charles has a ton of respect around the league, not only from players and coaches, but from observant fans. Yet is it just me, or is the bulk of the "best runner in the NFL" rhetoric still centered on Chris Johnson and Adrian Peterson? For my money, Charles very much belongs in that discussion. Guy's a freak.
Similarly, though more pronounced, Tamba Hali deserves way more press than he gets. Buffalo was forced to start Cordaro Howard (you don't know who he is, and that's kind of the point) at right tackle, and Hali owned him all day. He got the best of our OK-could-be-solid left tackle, Demetrius Bell, too. Again, in a discussion of the best 3-4 outside linebackers in the business, Hali should be part of the discussion. Maybe it's just my isolation up here in Western New York, but I don't hear enough of it.
Two players that stood out to me in this Week 8 contest were Andy Studebaker and Wallace Gilberry. I don't know if their roles changed or not as the Chiefs' season progressed, but those are two very useful and talented situational pass rushers, and like Hali, they gave the Bills fits. Gilberry in particular was impressive and fun to watch.
The Bills haven't had a good tight end since Pete Metzelaars, so I'm probably quick to oversell a tight end's attributes out of a desperate desire to find even average skill in a Bills tight end. That said, I was really high on Tony Moeaki coming out of Iowa, and he absolutely killed the Bills in overtime of this game, making two huge catches on the game-winning drive. On one play, he lined up in the slot and served as the lead blocker for Charles on an end around, and looked great blocking in space. He's a good in-line blocker. He won't make y'all forget Tony Gonzalez or anything crazy like that, but I think Moeaki's going to start - and excel - for you guys for a long time.
I paid a little bit of extra attention to Branden Albert in this one, because I am trying to see which of the Bills' mediocre defensive end group was best as a pass rusher. I'm really curious to know how Chiefs fans perceive Albert, because I was not overly impressed. Again, I realize it's one game, but he was not great against Buffalo, like Brian Waters was. He was good. But nothing about him really stood out. (And that's not always a bad thing in a lineman, either.)
I'm glad I'm not a Chiefs fan - not because I have anything against the Chiefs (nothing could be further from the truth, save for when they play the Bills, of course), but because I am wholly convinced that Todd Haley would drive me to drink. I'm a bit of a football conservative; that's why I like Chan Gailey. Haley's the polar opposite. I just kind of shook my head as I watched Haley continuously go for it on fourth down, allow Charlie Weis to dial up random passing plays on 3rd & short against a Bills defense that gave up 274 rushing yards in the game, and in general be far more balls to the wall than I'd like a head coach to be. I realize he's working with averages as his rationale, but almost everything went against him in this game, and it kept the Bills in it to the point that he had to call a timeout to negate a game-winning field goal.
Lastly, I'll just say that I feel badly for Matt Cassel. He's got good tools, but there's not been enough continuity for him between Gailey's firing in 2009, Weis' hiring, and now Weis departing. I'm thinking he might statistically regress this year, but that shouldn't be cause for concern. He's still got upside, in my opinion, and if the Chiefs can protect him with defense and their outstanding running game, I think he can play for a long time, and continue to get marginally better.
If any of you are interested in reading through the posts I ran on the Bills' side of things (yes, they contain some Chiefs dialogue), you can check out the links below:
First Half Notes
Second Half Notes
Overtime Notes
BUF Defending Misdirection (analyzing the aforementioned Charles end around)
Confirming Suspicions
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Nice post Brian
I posted up yours or one of your writers post on a Jamaal Charles play that caused some serious mismatches for you OLB and secondary. As a Pre-season post on teams, How do you see week One breaking down?
"Hair cut time.''
I lied it must have been a comment
to paraphrase
What would that play look like with Bowe and Baldwin lined up together, Moeaki in the TE and McCluster slides into the opposite side rather than Charles, with Charles still in the backfield.
How would you cover that?
"Hair cut time.''
The personnel package was probably the biggest reason that play had success, because it dictated Buffalo’s heavy-front 4-3, with four 300-pound defensive linemen, Chris Kelsay at OLB and slowish inside linebackers. Of course Charles is going to get outside on that play. But that defensive personnel group wouldn’t have been on the field if the Chiefs hadn’t come out with two backs (Jones and Charles), two tight ends (Moeaki and Pope) and one receiver.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2011 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Well I misspoke again
Same entire set with McCluster replacing Jones in the backfield, McCluster motions into the spot Charles did, so on so forth!
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 10, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Assuming McCluster started in the backfield and then motioned out, they’d have an empty backfield. That’d eliminate Buffalo’s biting on the play fake.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
doggone it
Charles and McCluster are the two backs.
McCluster motions into the receiver role and Charles is still at RB
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 10, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Something that seemed to work was
motioning McCluster out of the slot, and timing the snap to coincide with his arrival at where Cassel was lined-up (or Jones, as this motion happened on virtually EVERY wildcat snap to Jones that I can think of). This particular motion creates a lot of uncertainty in the D, starting with the one guy who’s mirroring the shift, but having ripple effects through the defenders on the side towards which Dex is heading. Basically send Jamaal one way and Dex the other. Doesn’t take a brain surgeon to see which half of the field is heavier and which way to go with the ball. And if the D remains balanced, either guy has a good shot at a power play on the half of the defense he faces.
This is why I’m lukewarm towards this “interior line sucks” or “interior line is too small” talk. KC has speed-in-depth that can really be helped by what the O-Line DOES do well, and that’s MOVE. So what if you can’t uproot 350-pound nose tackles!? Make that guy pursue laterally all day long, and sneak a few up the middle off the cut-back. We all applaud when that NT makes a few plays outside the hashes, but those are pyrrhic victories for the defense, if the offense can eke out just a FEW first downs. Guys who are big enough to bully our guys should be made to RUN as much as possible.
Whether they run 2 backs or not, I think Jamaal and Dex on the field simultaneously pretty much imposes nickel on the opposing defense. If not, then Dex or Jamaal get an EASY mismatch on a LB in space, just by the nature of the personnel on the field. What’s really NICE is being able to threaten BOTH flanks simultaneously, just by having these two guys in the middle at the snap and headed in opposite directions.
would of ≠ would've
I usually think about Alexander, especially that river crossing in India.
Lit fires on his side of the river, and started marching people up and down the river. Eventually his opponent was lulled by the activity and quit following him, and that’s when he sneaked upstream and crossed.
would of ≠ would've
Gracias.
I’m a bit reticent to start talking about Week 1, not just because there might not be a Week 1, but because I’m still not versed enough in the newer-look Bills – let alone the Chiefs – to talk about it. My plan is to watch KC’s last five games of the year (including the playoff game) once I’m done with the Bills re-watch to do a little advance scouting.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2011 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions
For the sake of all that is holy man, never show that playoff game again!
It never happened. There was no playoff game. In fact, I think we were locked out at that point. Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s what happened.
Nope, we never played the Ravens. No sir.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Well, I’m watching, not you. I’ll be sure, though, to bring it up plenty prior to Week 1. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Solid observations all around.
Haven’t re-watched the BUF game since the week after it was played, but a consistent thing all season with Albert is one that often gets overlooked:
He’s really good at run blocking on the second level. Maybe the most consistent O Lineman we have in that respect. If you look at Charle’s best 5+ yard runs (jeez, probably half of his runs, guy’s an animal) – you’ll very often see Branden Albert hustling downfield to pop a LB or cheating SS to help spring Charles, then it’s off to the races. (And credit where it’s due, Charles is really good at waiting for his block before exploding downfield).
In all, Albert is solid. He’s no liability at all in pass protection, doesn’t get anymore penalties than average (fewer than some pro bowlers) and does really well run blocking and blocking at the second level.
What I love about Moeaki is that they slide him all over. TE, Slot, H-Back. Causes for a lot of flexibility formation-wise. Not to mention he’s got better hands than any other TE we have on the roster.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
man... can you imagine if bannon turns out to be that flexable (and productive)... we'll have one flexible offense...
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by Chris Sembower on Jun 10, 2011 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
That’s a good point about Albert’s second-level blocking ability, and something I noted quickly but didn’t put here.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2011 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with pretty much everything you've said
I think the regime should give Albert one more go at LT, and if he doesn’t step up into elite status we have to start looking for a replacement and move Albert over to Guard where he’ll easily go All-Pro year in and year out.
Cassel should have a lot more targets to work with this season. I think with Jerheme Urban coming back from injury (or hopefully Steve Breaston in free agency), and Jon Baldwin coming in from the draft if Cassel regresses too much Stanzi will get a serious look next year.
BOOM!
Way way off 808.
Albert is a fine OT and he’s not gonna get moved to G. No way. And my guess is Stanzi or any other QB wont get a serious look for 3+ years or atleast until Cassels contract expires. All the draftnics said when we drafted him that he is a developmental project who would do well sitting behind somebody and learning the game. Doesn’t sound like someone who should be getting a serious look until Cassel has proved himself an above average QB or not… which won’t be in the next two seasons atleast
by Chiefs08Matt on Jun 9, 2011 10:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You think if Matt has a poor year Haley is going to be cool with rolling with him for another two years?
especially fighting off free agency from taking Bowe, Hali, and Flowers. The window to start a franchise needs to start next year. If Cassel keeps on being inconsistent and Stanzi shows promise I’m sure Haley won’t have an issue putting Stanzi out there.
As far as Albert goes. I think people here overrate him sometimes. He needs to step up this year and show us he can protect Cassel’s blindside and give him the time he needs to go through his progressions.
BOOM!
He needs to do it more consistently, as in EVERY down.
It’s not enough to do his job on 2 out of 3 plays.
would of ≠ would've
Lol elite status srsly?
You don’t need an elite LT, and unless we’re picking top 10 again the chances of finding one are rare.
Just look at the top 4 teams last year to see if they have an Elite LT:
Steelers – Nope
Patriots – Light was once one but no more
Packers – Again Clifton was once one but is definitely in the twilight
Bears – Just drafted Carimi to play LT, so nope.
In fact looking at the entire playoffs the only team that comes to mind is the Jets with Ferguson.
I think Albert could become a great Guard, but he’s legit at LT too.
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Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on Jun 10, 2011 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I effed up
Jets did make the final 4 with an elite LT not the Patriots.
Its the same division so sue me.
Still my point stands.
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Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on Jun 10, 2011 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions
When you have a QB like Cassel who holds on to the ball so long, then yeah elite
Albert or Cassel, one of em have to step up or get gone. As far as your playoff teams argument, Ben Rothleisberger might be one of the best of all time getting away from pressure. Tom Brady operates in a small ball system where the ball is out in 2-3 seconds. Clifton still is one of the best LT’s in the game, and the Bears won on the back of their defense not their offense. That’s why when they faced an elite defense like the Packers they folded hard. D’Brickishaw Ferguson… Jets… yeah
BOOM!
Are the Bears really hoping Carimi is going to be their LT?
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 10, 2011 5:49 AM CDT up reply actions
This is my thoughts on Albert
Remember he was a first round pick so there is still more we should expect out of him. I think he may take another step next year, but if not then the situation gets a little tricky. Lilja is fine at RG and Waters is good at LG, so Waters will have to regress a fair bit for them to replace him with Albert
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Jun 10, 2011 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions
or we just trade Waters while his value is high
then we have Asomoah to fall back on if Albert shows he’s the man
BOOM!
I doubt we trade Waters
At his age the best we get is a third. next season I think he regresses a little bit and ages by one year. net result sharp decrease in trade value. We might as well keep him to train up Asamoah and teach the young guys a thing or two about being a leader and great person in general
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Jun 10, 2011 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I would LOVE a third for Waters
Asomoah is ready to go now. The time he got last year you didn’t even notice Waters was out. Plus, as far as mentoring goes, Lilja is about as good as they come. He’s small but his technique is what makes him good
BOOM!
Much, much appreciated
That you would take the time to come to this site and give us football-startved fans something good to read (not that the Thorman’s don’t do an outstanding job). I always value the objective observations of an opponent. Keeps me from getting too tipsy from the Kool-Aid.
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by Lokrath on Jun 9, 2011 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Pretty sure we could have taken Troup over McCluster
It’s Arenas who was taken because Troup wasn’t there. So the theory goes…
Predictions:
KC will be a Superbowl favorite in 2012
Pretty sure that was the Iggles man
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jun 10, 2011 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m not sure why you’d want Troup over McCluster, to be quite honest.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2011 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Troup, that is...
I like McCluster a lot… but a lot of us were convinced Troup was the NTotf last year
I have seen a lot of Troup, yes. Read this for an idea of just how far he has to go. He got marginally better as the season progressed, and he’s now up to around 330 pounds of good weight. Still has a ways to go technically. Love his work ethic and his on-field hustle.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
If Powe gets 8 great plays all season
I will be happy
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 10, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
On play-calling.
If you’ve seen them get stoned in short yardage enough times, you’ll realize that they rely a LOT on misdirection.
Jackie Battle dead-ahead, with Jon Asamoah at FB was one tactic they used to generate some straight-ahead-no-matter-what in their game. But typically, they try to run AWAY from the real fatties, or misdirect them. Try to use their momentum against them, rather than taking BIG linemen head-on. Throwing in short yardage is more of an admission that they didn’t feel they had as good a chance just trying to get forward movement between the hashes against jumbo D.
Thx for the outside take.
would of ≠ would've
by hmills110 on Jun 9, 2011 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm hoping that with an eventual interior o-line of Asamoah, Hudson, and Lilja/some other guy
that we can occasionally convert a 3rd and 1 simply by running forward for one yard =)
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I think part of that had to do with our O-linemen.
We run the Zone Blocking scheme which calls for smaller, quicker O-Linemen. Notice our two FA additions to the O-Line (Wiegman at C and Lilja at RG) were 300lbs or smaller. They dont have the girth and size to drive someone backwards, hence the misdirection. Im not a big fan of the ZB scheme for that reason, In prefer massive O-Linemen who can just punch someone in the mouth and physically dominate/overpower the defense. Thats also the Husker fan in me who yearns for the 90’s….
It is what it is and we are who we are.
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by nateforchiefs on Jun 9, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good Observations
KC, like most teams, is a work in progress. I feel for you in that the Bills should’ve won way more than they did, including the KC game. Here’s a couple of replies to your comments. For years, decades really, KC fans have been frustrated by the uber-conservative approach to 4th down. I don’t mean that we want them to go for the 1st down on every opportunity, but our ‘element of surprise’ play was the totally expected ‘draw them offsides’ play. So, yeah, Haley regularly scares the crap out of the fans. His POV is that winners do this and win, so as long as the record says we’re winners, that approach won’t be seriously questioned. On Albert, the only thing I’d add is that to whats already been said is it’s not a question of being dominant in every aspect of the game, just enough of them to win. Several Super Bowl champions have won despite less than stellar play at LT. Plus its always fun to watch the mockers/draft-spurts always decide that LT is our biggest need.
Nice read
I love Haley, but the man is taking years off my life
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
I Cuse Haley
all the time, but as someone said above, as long as we win its all good. I think he might go from “refreshing” to “dumbass” quickly though if these plays start to backfire into losses more. All in all I love the guy and I think he can lead us to a championship.
I will give Haley that – he’s playing a dangerous game. His style in those situations will make him hero or martyr. There is absolutely no middle ground.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2011 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions
But in reality
is there really any middle ground for an NFL coach? Haley rolls the dice more often, but if he was more conventional and had more losses, eventually the same thing happens—you find yourself coaching in another town, no?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
That’s true to an extent. I guess I was coming from the angle that if you’re unusual about the approach, you’re asking for criticism.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with that.
I was just saying that in the final analysis, no matter what a coach does, winning is the only thing that gaurantees longevity. :)
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
And I agree with that.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Marty Schottenheimer was basically fired 3 times :(
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 10, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Albert got injured around mid-season and that affected him throughout the season
Why he started falling off IMHO
Nice write-up man
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Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
Agreed. Before his injury he was playing at top of the league status
His Run blocking continued to be top of the league, but his passblocking suffered after the injury. Still, he showed he can be an elite pass blocker, and he already is an elite run blocker, best in the NFL. Moving him anywhere else is beyond crazy.
A message to Bills fans
Keep the faith on Marcell Dareus. Dude will be good but will need time. Don’t expect flashy world beating numbers this season. DL, especially in the 3-4 defense (which I assume you still run), take 3 years to develop into there potential. We know this through Glenn Dorsey and soon to be Tyson Jackson. You guys have whiffed on your last couple of first round picks, but you’ve picked a winner this time round
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
We don’t want numbers out of Dareus. We want him to help take our run defense from historically bad to approaching mediocre.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2011 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions
The Bills game was killing me, not only from being in WNY and having to hear it from all my friends who are unfortunate Bills fans, but also because I’ve never seen a team try to give a victory to another team so many times, only to have the other team botch it every single time. I just kept my mouth shut after that “victory.”
I do feel bad for Bills fans though. Having such a cheapskate owner who lets so many extremely talented players (Winfield, Clements, Wiley, Fletcher, ect), walk away while he pleads poverty, while signing marginal talent to big deals (Langston Walker, Kelsay). You definitely have to have a lot of patience, that’s for sure.
Here’s a fun fact. Children entering 5th grade this year have never seen the Bills make the postseason.
Folks in glass houses and all that jazz...
Teenagers starting 8th grade this year have never seen a KC playoff victory….ouch
by mushin on Jun 10, 2011 8:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Now I'm going to have to start drinking before 10am again
by mushin on Jun 10, 2011 8:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
There is no such thing as an “unfortunate” Bills fan. We don’t feel bad for ourselves. Nor should anyone else. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
You all sure did step on a lot of other teams dreams
Respect not pity
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 10, 2011 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Studebaker and Gillberry
I found it interesting that you noticed these two players. I really hope we are able to locked up Gillberry to deal similar to Studebaker….I know many don’t believe it here but I have a hard time seeing Houston best our Studebaker this year or the following for that matter.
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Thanks for the look Brian
When you talk about Haley vs. Gailey and the differences between the coaching styles, there are some stats that tend to support why Haley (not saying he is necessarily right, just that these stats support his position) let Gailey go. Fitzpatrick had, in many respects, his best year under center. He averaged nearly 34 passes per game whereas Cassel only threw the ball 28 times a game on average. Who scored more points? Fitz had 23 TDs and Cassel 27. The focus is different even for the same offensive program ie. Erhardt Perkins. Haley is all about a strong run game that supports a precise passing game. Many assume that Haley wants to sling the ball all over the field because that is what the Cards did with Warner during their SB run in AZ. That was Whizenhunts choice over Haley, but they had the receiving crew to pull it off. KC has improved a bit in that regard this season. Our offense is being built as a run first offense, but we need desperately to improve that passing game as well to be a contender.
Cassel averaged 208 y/g and Fitz 231 y/g. It was extremely exciting to watch Fitz throw and throw and throw, but I’d take a 10-6 record and a playoff game over 4-9 gun slinger excitement.
The Chiefs defense is on the rise, Fitz had to throw the ball 48 times vs the Chiefs to get 24 completions and still only one went for the TD and that was a 4 yarder. Haley is a coach who plays all the angles and it’s high time we had someone with that kind of hutzpah in KC.
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by Aiken_Drum on Jun 10, 2011 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I don’t know that I’d boil it down to coaching philosophies as the reason the Chiefs were better than the Bills. I like Haley’s philosophy, but the Chiefs were better because a) they’re more talented, and b) they play in a far weaker division.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
That might be true
But the Chiefs did go into Indy last year and keep Mr. Football out of the endzone. Flashes of brilliance always come before consistantly shooting the lights out.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
nice stuff, Brian ... feel free to pop in and remind us who we are anytime ... far more entertaining than anything that Thorman kid could deliver ;-)
and please, pay no attention to Aiken_Drum Major Winchester, he likes to see himself talk, but on rare occasion he makes a valid point so we pretend to like him let him hang around
personally, I was saddened to see Chan Gailey dismissed as happened, I think the guy is nothing less than genius … Buffalo is goung to be one helluva good team again in short order, just hide and watch (I also loved Marv Levy when he was with the Bills, and was upset with Steadman and the Chiefs for letting him go for many, many years)
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I think the dismissal did more for his upward mobility (Now a HC) than keeping him would've done for him.
Chiefs were on their way to a losing season. The way they worked it, Gailey got a promotion and Pendergast landed another DC gig. Gailey would’ve taken a lot of blame for that ‘09 offense, even if that ArrowSpread manufactured 1 or 2 more wins. And the losses would’ve been uglier, because that high-risk, high-reward stuff would’ve blown up in their faces as often as not.
would of ≠ would've
Agree
But I thought the Bills had tried to get Marty?
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 10, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they did.
But that doesn’t turn “Gailey DID land a HC job” into a “But…” situation. So somebody else was offered the job before him. The fact was that he landed a promotion says Haley did little to tarnish his reputation. I bet you Haley said nothing but good things about Gailey, a self-control trait I only PARTIALLY learned, forging friendships in a small mtn community. I can only imagine how tough it is to avoid burning bridges at the NFL level.
would of ≠ would've
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- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
