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Arrowhead Wins! Flawless Victory

Most fans of the Red and Gold here at Arrowhead Pride love to make comparisons (mainly to make a point.)

Dwayne Bowe to Larry Fitzgerald.

Matt Cassel to Mark Sanchez.

Clark Hunt to Lamar Hunt.

Apples to Oranges... you get the idea.

Well AP? What about this comparison, the 2003 Chiefs to the 2011 Chiefs?

Uh Blinders, it has been done to death, why even bring it up?  Well, I'll tell you why.  Ever since the Chiefs opened up The New Arrowhead in 2010, I have had hopes that the Arrowhead advantage would make a come back.  In 2010 the Kansas City Chiefs did a good job of making that happen, winning 7 out of 8 home games for the first time in five seasons.

Though, in doing some research on this subject, I noticed that in 2002, the Kansas City Chiefs also won 7 home games that season.  Which got me thinking, who would I take?  Dick Vermeil's team going into 2003 knowing everything we know about that team now, or Todd Haley's 2011 team going into this season not fully sure of what it is capable of?

The 2002 team got me thinking more about what happened after their seven wins at Arrowhead.  That's right in 2003, the Chiefs went 13-3 and undefeated at home, a perfect 8-0 record.  It was a great season to be a Chiefs fan, they started out 9-0 and had a very exciting offense staring Priest Holmes.  

Dick Vermeil started out in Kansas with 14 wins (6-10,8-8) in two seasons, after a storied career.  

Todd Haley matched that total with 14 wins (4-12, 10-6) in two seasons as Rookie coach, and even added a playoff appearance to the tally. 

That makes me believe it is safe to compare their respective third seasons. Do you think that Haley can duplicate and surpass Vermeil's success in his own third season in Kansas City?  Which team is more balanced?  Let's take a look:

Star-divide

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OFFENSE

 

 

 

 

 

 

2003

 

 

2011

 

 

 

Green

QB

VS

Cassel

QB

 

 

Richardson

FB

VS

McCluster

W/R

 

 

Holmes

RB

VS

Charles

RB

 

 

Kennison

WR

VS

Bowe

WR

 

 

Morton

WR

VS

Baldwin

WR

 

 

Roaf

LT

VS

Albert

LT

 

 

Waters

LG

VS

Waters

LG

 

 

Wiegmann

C

VS

Hudson

C

 

 

Shields

RG

VS

Lilja

RG

 

 

Tait

RT

VS

Richardson

RT

 

 

Gonzalez

TE

VS

Moeaki

TE

 

 

DEFENSE

 

 

 

 

 

 

2003

 

 

2011

 

 

 

Hicks

LDE

VS

Jackson

LDE

 

 

Browning

LDT

VS

Powe

NT

 

 

Sims

RDT

VS

Dorsey

RDE

 

 

Holliday

RDE

VS

Houston

LOLB

 

 

Fujita

LLB

VS

Belcher

LILB

 

 

Maslowski

MLB

VS

Johnson

RILB

 

 

Mitchell

MLB

VS

Hali

ROLB

 

 

Barber

RLB

VS

Flowers

LCB

 

 

Warfield

LCB

VS

Carr

RCB

 

 

McCleon

RCB

VS

Berry

SS

 

 

Wesley

SS

VS

Lewis

FS

 

 

Woods

FS

VS

Arenas

NCB

 

 

SPECIAL T.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anderson

K

VS

Succop

K

 

 

Baker

P

VS

Colquitt

P

 

 

Hall

PR

VS

Arenas

PR

 

 

Hall

KR

VS

McCluster

KR

 

 

ROLE

 

 

 

 

 

 

Boerigter

WR

 

Bailey

DE

 

 

Dunn

TE

 

Brown

CB

 

 

Stills

DE

 

Studebaker

LB

 

 

Spears

OL

 

Gilberry

DE

 

 

Gammon

LS

 

Asomoah

OL

 

 

Bartee

CB

 

Wiegmann

OL

 

 

Truluck

DE

 

Jones

RB

 

 

Harts

DB

 

Smith

DE

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chiefs Fans, doesn't looking at the offensive line of that 2003 team make you want to smile. Willie Roaf should really be in the Hall of Fame, but I digress... 

Can the Chiefs go undefeated at home in 2011, like the 2003 team? They only have to play these teams:

Buffalo Bills

Minnesota Vikings

San Diego Chargers

Miami Dolphins

Denver Broncos

Pittsburgh Steelers

Green Bay Packers

Oakland Raiders

Sure they have to play the two Super Bowl teams.  However it can be done, in 2003 the Chiefs beat the Raiders twice coming off of their Super Bowl Appearance.  Also, just as an interesting tidbit, they did beat Pittsburgh and Green Bay that season as well.

If the Arrowhead advantage is truly back, then the Chiefs should be able to run the table at home in 2011, or at least come very close.  They have the talent, the balance on offense, defense and special teams. The number one rushing attack in the NFL and the greatest fans in the world.  It might be the recipe they need for the kind of success that Vermeil's team enjoyed.

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Who has the better offense?

Well this seems to be a no-brainer.  The 2003 Chiefs were ranked number one or two, in eight different offensive categories that season.  Plus, they had Roaf, Shields and Gonzalez, three guys that should all be enshrined in Canton someday.  It would be safe to say that the 2003 Chiefs Offense was better than the 2011 Chiefs Offense will be.

However, safe is boring.  The 2011 Chiefs are coming into it the number one rushing team with 2,627 yards (2003 had 1,929 yards.)  The problem is passing, the Chiefs threw for 2,968 yards (2003 had 3,981 yards.)  Even if Kansas City manages more yards passing the ball with all of the weapons they have, including Jonathan Baldwin and a healthier Dexter McCluster.  Are they going to be able to turn 44 TDS into 56 TDS (like 2003) off those two factors?  Hey, not every team can score 484 points in a season, but a fan can dream right?

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What about on defense?

The no-brainers are abundant today.  The 2003 team was known for having poor tackling, and being +19 in turnovers. They gave up more rush yards per carry than any team in the NFL (Thanks a lot Ryan Sims.)  Despite the 13-3 record, this defense was terrible.

Going into the 2011 season, it seems a lot better.  Eric Berry, Tamba Hali and Brandon Flowers are potential super stars in the making. While Derrick Johnson, Glenn Dorsey and Brandon Carr could all be Pro Bowl caliber players this season.  It is no contest, the talent is better, the depth is deeper, and the coaching staff on defense is in another world compared to in 2003. 

Which team would you want to go into the future with?

This question is a fun one to answer.  The 2003 Chiefs had a lot of talent on that Offensive Line, it was one of the best ever, with a Hall of Fame Tight End as an added bonus.

However, at the the time it was clear that Carl Peterson and Dick Vermeil were building for the moment and not the future.  A lot of the players were at the end of their prime, and Carl didn't do a very good job of preparing for the future through the draft.

Scott Pioli and Todd Haley on the other hand, have appeared to put together a very youthful team.  They are full of talent, and seem set up to make a run at a string of championships.  Instead of the one championship that Dick and Carl were trying to take with them into the sunset.  

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Who is more balanced?

I will leave this question open for you to decide.

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That 2003 offense was one of the most balanced offenses ever in the NFL

With Trent Green having a Pro-Bowl season, Priest Holmes having one of the best rushing seasons ever, Tony Gonzalez being his hall of fame self, Tony Richardson lead blocking, and of two the best offensive linemen ever in Willie Roaf and Will Shields it just doesnt even compare to 2011.

3 Wishes:
1. Tamba Hali gets a multi-year deal done with the Chiefs
2. The Chiefs to sweep the Broncos, Chargers, and Raiders in 2011
3. That there will be an NFL season in 2011

by bigbosschief on Jun 18, 2011 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Not yet

The one thing the 2011 Chiefs have over the 03’ is receivers.

Bowe and Baldwin should end up being a much better tandem then Kennison and Morton. Who knows what this season will bring offensively? This team has more weapons than any team I have seen as a Chiefs fan.

I think when it is all said and done. These two offenses will be very comparable .

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jun 18, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed
This team has more weapons than any team I have seen as a Chiefs fan.

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 18, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holmes, TonyG, "Fast Eddie" Kennison, (arguably the) best OLine in the history of football, Trent Green at his very best, HC who was all about offense ...

I dunno, that 2003 team was as dangerous as any Peyton Manning team I ever saw … just my own opinion

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by upamtn on Jun 18, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The O-line doesn't count as a weapon

Peyton > Green > Cassel, but as far as a cadre of WR’s, RB’s and TE’s this 2011 squad should be loaded

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 18, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

OLine doesn't count as a weapon?

since when?

Dude, that’s your heavy artillary right there … your tanks, your armored vehicles that make the push, the surge …

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by upamtn on Jun 18, 2011 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

More like the wall of the Castle

the Trench or the Barb wire

all necessary stuff

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 18, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cassel*

:)

You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?

by Mully on Jun 18, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

That 2003 def roster sucked! O-line was insane! Interesting to see that 8 yrs later still have the same dominate afc teams (ne, pitts, ne) in our way towards an afc title. Great franchises. Boy, did I love how smooth Priest made things look as he ran sweeps with that 0-line.

Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan

by Mr J on Jun 18, 2011 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Priest made everything look easy.

He would just hide patiently behind his blocks, and then slip through a seam.

I miss how seemingly easy it was from him to score inside the red zone. Priest Holmes is one of my all-time favorites

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jun 18, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was just so patient...

With that line, he knew he could wait. Eventually something would open up…

by Skrappy on Jun 19, 2011 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah it just seemed that Priest could read where a seam was going to open up before it did

And that he was already putting himself into position to explode through it as soon as it showed up where he knew it was.

Guy was a special runner.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Jun 18, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Priest was amazing,

but even he didn’t gain 6.4 yards every time he was handed the ball. Jamaal Charles is something special, and he does it with this o-line.

by bossmanham on Jun 18, 2011 5:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hot Damn

I guess we need to remember that 2003 O-line was years in the making. Adding Roaf via FA and moving Tait to RT sealed the deal. We might end up doing that, not in 2011 though

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 18, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

This team is clearly more balanced.

The defense is just a couple steps away from being special and the if the offense can build on what they did last year and be consistent they can be dangerous.

2003 was a high octane team. The offense, Dante Hall, and the talk of going undefeated made it a very exciting season. I hated the Bengals for a couple years for stopping us at 9-0.

But no one says offense wins championships. I hate Peyton Manning.

by bamachief5558 on Jun 18, 2011 3:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

This 2011 offense isn't far away from being high octane.

The Chiefs simply have to many weapons to be a grind it out boring offense.

I think the biggest difference will be in game management philosophy. Todd Haley will try to run down the clock a lot more than DIck Vermeil did.

2003 Chiefs had 348 fist downs, but their time of possession was only 29:34 in comparison to Todd Haley team last year. Which had 319 first downs, but a higher time of possession at 31:38. Todd Haley likes to manage a lead, while Dick Vermeil just wanted to add to it very quickly.

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jun 18, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not exactly blinders
Todd Haley likes to manage a lead, while Dick Vermeil just wanted to add to it very quickly-.- ,

cause his defense was going to surrender points almost as quickly

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 18, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, somebody already penciled in Hudson as the starting C huh? ;)

And the things that jump out to me are how stacked our offense was back then compared to our defense, especially the line. Stills was a beast on ST and we never really fully recovered on our coverage teams after he left. But its nice to see some balance with this years squad. I think Pioli is setting us up for a nice run here in the coming years. It was exciting to see our incredible run happen in 03’ but such a letdown those final 6-8 weeks. I think if we see a similar run we wont see a similar letdown considering the balance this years team has compared to 03’s…

by Chiefs08Matt on Jun 18, 2011 3:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Aesthetics!

I didn’t know if Casey Wiegmann would be back too start this season, so it made sense to throw Rodney Hudson in there as the starter.

To go along with what you were saying about letdowns, I’ll add that I think this team could force any team to punt at least once in the playoffs. Heck, maybe even twice.

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jun 18, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

he might shoot someone ...

… not himself

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by upamtn on Jun 18, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The 2011 team is much more balanced.

Moving forward, I would choose the 2011 team to build on rather than the 2003 team. The 2003 team had a superb offense, but couldn’t keep anybody out of the end zone. Way too much scoring by other teams despite the 13-3 record. If the defense had been adequate, that could have been a Super Bowl team. Now, if the lockout doesn’t screw things up this year, this team is going to be much improved on offense. The weapons (personnel) are there, they just have to be utilized. This year could be our year if the lockout doesn’t keep up from doing it.

"The Hammer"

by G.L. on Jun 18, 2011 4:41 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

intersting that you leave the open ended question to us to answer, but disagree when anyone states a preference for the 2003 offense

another point to make: while that 2003 team was horrible on defense (oh yeah they were) the points allowed in 2003 was about the same as points allowed in 2010 … go figure

so while stats might be radically different in many defensive areas (better in 2010 one would think) that points allowed, which is THE most important stat (aside from W’s and L’s) isn’t much different from one to the other … yet, that 2003 team could outscore anyone on any day … the same can’t be said for the 2010 model, and I doubt for the 2011 model, either

more balanced? 2011 w/o question … better? remains to be seen … but I’d take my chances with that high octane 2003 scoring machine just about anytime

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by upamtn on Jun 18, 2011 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't really disagree that 2003 offense was better.

It was a very exciting offense, that could score at will on any opponent.

Really Ups, I just see the potential that this 2011 team has to be nearly as exciting with an up and coming defense as well.

So it is hard to concede with all of the weapons that they have for 2011, that this team won’t light up the score board and have a very balanced offense.

Will they be better than 2003? Probably not, but I will put it to you like this. After the season, I think people will consider this offense as an A-, while they will consider the 03’ team an A++.

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jun 18, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Offense and Defense aren't independent variables stuck in a vacuum

If your offense is supercharged like the 2003 Chiefs, it will help your defense to the extent that your defense will generally start their series with better tactical field position. If the offense scores, the resulting starting point for the opponents next drive will generally be somewhere between their 20-35 yard line. Ditto for if your offense has to punt after a couple of first downs.

As much as our offense did some nice things this past season, there were still too many three and out series. Those change the field position dynamics and make it harder on the defense when the opposing offense is starting out around midfield vs. deep in their own territory.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi.

by Sudden on Jun 19, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

need more.high octane.........

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by LadyChief on Jun 18, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

problem with that is some engines can't burn it all effectively ... it causes pings, and a buildup in the carb

hey, at least it’s not ethanol

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by upamtn on Jun 18, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Burns too slow

We need Forced Induction…

by Skrappy on Jun 19, 2011 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

03 team almost Put me in an early grave

I didn’t think anything could give me heart palpations like that game at GB when Lambu field reached out to tackle dante. Then KC came from behind to beat the sexter wearing number 4. And forget the damn puntless playoff game.

But along comes Haley, and now I have to keep the damn electric paddles nearby everytime there’s a fourth down.

I flippin love it. CHIEFS!!!!!!!

by mushin on Jun 18, 2011 6:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

gotta admit, that 03 team was downright FUN

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by upamtn on Jun 18, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah baby! It was Fun in 2003 fer sure.

But, wahat is the old sayiong? Ya Play offense for the fans but ya play defense for the trophy.

DEFENSE…..DEFENSE…….DEFENSE

A few 3 and outs and that 03 team may have gone on to glory. It looks like we will have a little more balance between Offense and defense in the near future. That may be the key.

The one and only Super Bowl team fielded in KC had the likes Dawson, Taylor, Budde and Tryer on O. But it was the D with likes of Buchannon, Culp, Bell, Lynch, Lanier, Thomas and Robinson and others that lead the way.

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by CatChief on Jun 19, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

a different perspective

The 2003 team starters under 30 years of age

Offense

Tony Gonzalez 27
Brian Waters 26
John Tait 28

Defense

Eric Hicks 27
Ryan Sims 23
Vonnie Holliday 28
Scott Fujita 24
Mike Maslowski 29
Kawika Mitchell 24
Shawn Barber 28
Eric Warfield 27
Greg Wesley 25

ST’s

Jason Baker 25
Dante Hall 25

The 2010 team starters over 30 years of age

Offense

Thomas Jones 32
Chris Chambers 32
Brian Waters 33

Defense

Ron Edwards 31
Mike Vrabel 35
Jon McGraw 31

ST’s

nada

and some of those designated over 30 year old starters are disputable as starters

awesome link

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 18, 2011 6:13 PM CDT reply actions  

hell, I wish I was still twice that old ...

count your blessings, Son

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by upamtn on Jun 18, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jesus up...

Were you AT the 1970 superbowl? What was Hank Stram like? :D

Team Berry
Team BalHudson...i guess..now

by MasterBlaster7 on Jun 19, 2011 2:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

dapper, very dapper as always

only HC I know of who wore Armani 3-pc on the sidelines, the very definition of “nattily dressed”

and upbeat, confident … he KNEW we were going to win, just KNEW It

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by upamtn on Jun 19, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

So did Moses really come down from the mountain carrying 2 tablets?

Or were you to busy worshiping the golden cow, hmm:P

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by CPT.Caveman on Jun 19, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

we had 3 originally but decided "15 Commandments" were just too much for "the masses"

… took us almost a month to edit (hey, you work with stone tablets and chisels, it ain’t easy)

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by upamtn on Jun 19, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lmao

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by CPT.Caveman on Jun 19, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

you kidding? I *had* a pup that was a dinosaur ...

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by upamtn on Jun 19, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ups most times you come across like a rebellious youth.

I would have never guessed you were an old man, if I didn’t know any better, I would’ve thought you were younger than MN.

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jun 19, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I AM 26 :)

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jun 19, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I was 26

I had served a 4 year hitch in the Air Force and was 4 years along in my current career. I had obtained an Associates in Electronics Technology and was starting this whole Ethernet and Personal Computers network era we live in. MS-DOS was yet to be invented and 2400 baud modems was Hi-Speed WAN technology.

Happy Fathers Day MN :)

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 19, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope

some guys at Digital Equipment Corporation did. and NASA

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 19, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET), was the world’s first operational packet switching network and the core network of a set that came to compose the global Internet. The network was funded by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) of the United States Department of Defense for use by its projects at universities and research laboratories in the US. The packet switching of the ARPANET was based on designs by Lawrence Roberts of the Lincoln Laboratory.1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 19, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Steve

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jun 21, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

imagine if we'd had Romeo Crennel as DC back then ...

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by upamtn on Jun 18, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

see? coulda been here doing that, right?

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by upamtn on Jun 18, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who cares

We have him now and IMO a much more talented unit on defense. This defense will make that one look like a pee-wee league team.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jun 19, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

It already looked like a pee-wee league team

That was the problem. In fact I think the pee-wee league team had better form tackling, mainly because they aren’t led by this guy.

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jun 19, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Difference is we have the future replacements for those over 30 players

Jones/?
Chambers/Baldwin
Waters/Asamoah
Edwards/Powe
Vrabel/Houston
McGraw is a backup player anyway

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Jun 18, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

zactly

we are at the beginning if the story/ride, 2003 was almost the last chapter/hill

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 18, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

double zactly...

The “greatest show on turf” was all offense and no defense…that coupled with the fact it was built for a single shot at the superbowl without building for the future. Ill take the 2011 chiefs any day of the week.

Oh…and this article missed the BIGGEST difference between 2003 and 2011

Pioli and Peterson

Pioli…legendary super genius…..Peterson…turd sandwich.

Team Berry
Team BalHudson...i guess..now

by MasterBlaster7 on Jun 19, 2011 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice write up, Chief-blinders-on

I always enjoy the compare/contrast stories on AP. I was actually going over the studs we have on offense and on defense last night. I was getting giddy and having what I call a “Chiefsgasm”. I promise to not make any messes.
Anyway, I’d like to see SOS compared to what the ‘03 team faced and what the ’11 team will face. I think we’re all pretty convinced we have some talent on this team, but we also look at that mountain of a schedule and think, “oh brother!”
To reiterate what everyone else said, the OL for the ‘03 team was incredible and in my eyes is the only short coming of our current team. However, Asamoah and Hudson could come up big and we don’t even know it yet. It could prove to be a very exciting season, but if anything, it’ll be a measuring stick and a great year for growth and experience if we don’t show as well as we did in ’10.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Jun 18, 2011 10:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Great post

I think the 2011 team has more potential than the 2003 team, and IMO has more talent over all. Now with that being said I don’t think our o-line compares to the o-line of 2003, nor do i think this offense will be as productive. One reason is the younger players on the o-line such as J.Asamoah and R.Hudson need time to reach their full potential, and the other reason is the play calling even if Haley says will see a new type of offense.

The main difference to me is on the defensive side of the ball, and the full potential of our young players. This defense gets me excited more than any thing else, and with the players we added through the draft I believe the Chiefs will have one of the top defensive units for years to come. Over all i believe the Chiefs will make a S.B push in 2012, but can be serious contenders this year. Everything depends on our young players now, and this lockout is hurting this young teams chances the longer it drags out:(

I would take this team over the 2003 team any day because of the talent on both sides of the ball. Yeah it’s fun watching us win games 54-45, but painful to watch our defense give up so much at the same time. This team will be exciting to watch on both sides of the ball.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jun 19, 2011 7:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice post

As others have said, the 2011 team is MUCH more “built for the future”. That 2003 team was amazing, but there were old guys everywhere with no one behind them to replace them.

We’re much more set up for a while than we were then, and in my opinion are superior at every position but O-line and QB (granted, those are two pretty important positions).

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Jun 19, 2011 5:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank You MN, I think Trent Green and Matt Cassel are fairly comparable.

Green made better decisions under pressure.
Cassel has moderately better feat and quickness.

I think Matt Cassel would have excelled in Dick Vermeil’s offense, and people will give Cassel a lot more credit after this season for being what he is. A great student of the game, and an efficient game manager QB… much like Trent Green.

It is funny, when I made that graph. Under the roles section for the 2003 team, I was grasping at straws…
There was no depth in 2003 behind the starters.

I am very excited about this 2011 team, and I think Jamaal Charles and the receivers will make the line look better then they are. Which according to our new OC Bill Muir, is always the goal anyway.

meh...

by Chief-blinders-on on Jun 19, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cassel is indeed tougher and much more athletic

But Green’s accuracy was light years ahead of Cassel’s. Of course, he had the greatest line ever assembled keeping people off him, so it’s tough to compare.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

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