Overrated/Underrated: Kansas City Chiefs Edition
Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com went through all 32 NFL teams and named one overrated player and one underrated player. Perhaps the most surprising on the list is Pittsburgh Steelers S Troy Polamalu, who he calls overrated.
Yep, that's the 2010 NFL defensive player of the year. Overrated?
For the Kansas City Chiefs, Prisco identifies QB Matt Cassel as overrated and CB Brandon Carr as underrated.
On Cassel, he writes, "I know he did some good things last season, but I think the real Cassel showed up in the playoff loss to the Ravens."
On Carr, he writes, "I really like Brandon Flowers, the other corner, but this kid came on strong late last season. The 2012 season might be his chance to break out.
I'm not sure I agree with the Cassel one. Is he really overrated? I feel like he gets a decent amount of criticism around the league so I'm not sure how he can be overrated.
I do, however, agree with the Carr assessment. People are starting to recognize Flowers as one of the best corners in the league but nobody talks about Carr. If forced to choose between the two in the long-term, I may even go with Carr because he would probably be a cheaper option providing more bang for your buck.
So let's put this up to you. Give us one overrated Chief and one underrated Chief.
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I agree with the Carr choice though.
by bossmanham on Jun 10, 2011 9:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with both choices
Team Berry
Team BalHudson...i guess..now
by MasterBlaster7 on Jun 11, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
A player cannot be judged soley on a single game.
If this were the case, then I’d like to judge the real Charles off of his 200+ yd game against the Broncos. The Chiefs weren’t terrible against the Ravens, but rather, the Ravens were more hungry and on fire with their play. The Ravens could have beaten any team with the play they showed versus the Chiefs.
a little of both
the Ravens were playing unreal good football AND the Chiefs were playing unreal bad, especially second half … reminded me of the @Chargers game except in that game we played horribly from start to finish
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yeah, but I think we gave up on the run way early
If we stuck to running the ball more it would of been a lot closer game.
perhaps, but therein lies the main issue ...
one way or another it DID seem we gave up, laid down and called it a day … the defense played their butts off, just couldn’t ever completely stop the Ravens … the offense shot itself in the foot too many times (first half) and by the time the 3rd quarter unfolded yeah, it was way too late
as for the run game: tommy, I saw one good run by Charles (the TD) and that was about it … the rest of the time it seemed we were getting stuffed … ah well, so it goes
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yeah.. it sucks...seems like they played full of panic
I did do a little math though I took out the 41 yard TD and figured up the average on the other 8 carries JC had and he was averaging 5.1ypc. Not sure what Jones was doing but 9 carries was far away from the amount of carries he should of had…
One thing about that game though
Is that even in defeat and giving up points, a LOT of people (my Viking fan buddies) commented to me afterward that Berry looks like an animal. My future brother-in-law told me he’d never seen a rookie defensive player play that well, and he felt bad for him and Hali out there.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
It's hard for me to think off any Chief that can be considered overrated, by the media any ways ...
Cassel is definitely overrated by a few here on AP though…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
I haven't seen anyone over rate Cassel here.
Most of us that support him are being realistic. We’re encouraged by his improvements, but tentatively waiting to see if he’s the guy. It’s the Cassel detractors who are being unreasonable.
by bossmanham on Jun 10, 2011 9:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Some here overrate him and some underrate him...
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
this comment ^^^ is both overrated and underrated
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I think that some of Cassel's "overratedness", if you will
comes from when he was still in New England. After filling in for Brady, Cassel was the must have quarterback in the 08’ offseason and the media anointed second coming of Tom Brady. 09’ was a rough transition, but in ‘10 i think he reached his true potential and rewarded Pioli’s faith in him. I think its fair to say that if we expect Cassel to be like he was in 08’ all the time and blow him up like the media did in the 08’ offseason, than that is probably overrating his skill.
OU SUCKS!!!!!!
by TexasFight83 on Jun 10, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe
Bowe was shut down the whole game and no other WR stepped up for the Ravens game so I disagree with the one game assessment. However, his reading on Carr I agree with 100%.
Is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
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That's why I'd like to see us lock him up now, and same with Flowers
Carr made HUGE strides last year, and is probably only going to get better. Right now is as cheap as he’s going to get.
And Flowers was on his way to “best CB in the NFL” discussion (he was giving up like 3 yards a target or some insane number like that) before he hurt his hammy. He’s ALSO as cheap right now as he’s going to get.
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How is this not rec'd?
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by insertscreenname on Jun 10, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Overrated/Underrated on AP
Overrated: Jackie Battle…
Underrated: Ron Edwards
National Media Overrated/Underrated
Overrated: Brian Waters
Underrated: Tamba Hali
Bowe
Is more in between just cause he needs to string together some great seasons like last year. But you can’t say he isn’t a big part to our record change last year because who else would we have passed to?
by Kmillz2525 on Jun 10, 2011 9:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
that doesnt stop him from being overrated...
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I rate him as
One of the biggest parts of our offense and a top ten WR now if you remove him from our lineup Charles and Jones see 8 in the box all year and we all know how well it went when they saw 8 men. Now he lead the league in TDs so obviously the talent is there. He’s a big play threat much like Charles everytime he touches the ball he has a chance to take it all the way he just has a nose for the Endzone.
by Kmillz2525 on Jun 10, 2011 10:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
but he can still be overrated.
where was he the other games when he wasn’t in that long run of td’s midseason? where was he? he disappeared. he has to be more consistent.
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OverRated: Brian Waters
UnderRated: Ryan Lilja
by daddyof2lilguys on Jun 10, 2011 9:29 AM CDT reply actions
Wow, Cassel is overrated?
I don’t see many outside of Chiefs nation that give Cassel enough props to be overrated. I’m not sure about Carr. He’s good, but if he would turn his head around more often he might just make a few ints. Maybe he is underrated. I also think TJack is underrated.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Tjax
Totally underrated mainly because he was picked so high. Anyone name one lineman from that draft better than Jackson not named Raji? And guys like Mathews don’t count they are OLBS
by Kmillz2525 on Jun 10, 2011 9:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Depends on the POV.
In terms of the point of view of us Chiefs fans id say Lewis or Belcher are overated. Lewis was goood but people talk about how bad we looked without him and that’s more a testimate toward how bad the backups were. Belcher is god awful on 90 percent of plays and people see him as the future. The talent is there but instincts are horrible and not good enough to be coached up to a even good level. Berry has those instincts that’s what makes guys like him great. Also Belcher is SOFT he gets plowed over by guys JCs size with ease. Now underated has to go to Albert because no one not even most on this site see him as a great LT but if you look around he is very good specially against the run. He’s just not a big name. Maybe he should hold on every play like the guy from Denver does against Hali. Alteast those are my Over Under guys
by Kmillz2525 on Jun 10, 2011 9:42 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Couldn't be more wrong
Let’s open up the window and let some of this wrong out :)
by KCinIL on Jun 10, 2011 9:52 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Cassel is overrated
because he shouldn’t be a starter in the NFL. He should be on the bench somewhere…instead he’s getting a huge contract but not earning it. The real Cassel did show up at the Raven’s game. He’s Pioli’s big mistake.
Brodie's better than Cassel
yeah, 27 td's and 7 int's proves beyond doubt that Cassel is clearly horrible
OU SUCKS!!!!!!
by TexasFight83 on Jun 10, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Ahh
Claiming opinion as fact. Guess you win there. Which also means half our stars would also be over-rated considering 3/4 of our damn team also didn’t show up in the most important game of the season.
by KCinIL on Jun 10, 2011 11:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This^^^
Wasn’t last year the first playoff game for most of our team? I like to thing we will take the experience and develop, not sit our starters saying they are a mistake.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 10, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Umm
Overrated: Brian Waters
Underrated: Glen Dorsey
Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!
had trouble finding an overrated,
but firm with the underrated of Dorsey!
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by XtaC69Chief on Jun 10, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Overrated: Chris Chambers
I mean, seriously…WR? The guy is clearly a paper weight
by ejr58 on Jun 10, 2011 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Underrated:
Casey Weigman
Andy Studebaker
Javier Arenas
Dexter McCluster
Overrated:
McGraw and Copper’s ST ability
OTAs
Demorrio Williams
gotta say at this point McCluster is overrated
how can you consider him underrated when we know nothing about what he can do? they gotta let him settle into a role, whether it’s slot or RB. 2 big plays doesn’t mean a damn thing yet. i loved the pick but they’ve gotta let him prove himself, until then it was a waste
I say underrated because of comments like yours
until then it was a waste
The guy has shown, in limited action, that he CAN make plays… I don’t understand the hate for the pick that I’ve seen on AP
We think he can make plays.
He’s shown reason to believe he can, but even J. Russel threw some TD’s. I’m just saying if they can’t figure out a way to use him then it might as well be a wasted pick. They drafted him as a slot WR, so stick him in there and just let him do it. THEN we’ll actually know what to think about the guy.
I hear ya
but, I think that he’s probably best suited as a RB and returner, now that we’ve seen him play a bit.
the slot WR needs to be a posession guy, someone that can take a beating…
I am not sure there’s a good slot WR on the roster right now.
i wanna see mcluster at rb as well i think hes got the toughness and the speed
Give him some carries and he’s bound to break some
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by sexassassin on Jun 10, 2011 12:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
In a power running scheme he’d be about useless except for tosses and sweeps. However, with our scheme he could realistically grab 5-8 carries a game, as well as go out for passes.
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hmmm
overrated: i truly can’t think of anyone overrated but if there was one it’d be maybe thomas jones or barry richardson
underrated: kendrick lewis
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Ridiculous
Cassel is overrated
because he shouldn’t be a starter in the NFL.
This is why you aren’t a coach or manager in the NFL…I can think of at least 10 teams who would LOVE to have Cassel as their starting QB.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Cassel.....
I love a lot about the chiefs, but anyone who thinks Cassel isn’t overrated is nuts. He’s a mid tier quarterback at best, and could never take the chiefs down the field when it counts like Brady or Manning, or even Trent Green. The guy is not a pro bowler, the only thing he’s greatly improved on is not turning the ball over and letting the run game control the clock. Look when he played decent teams what he did- SD, IND, OAK, BAL. He makes me nervous but I’ll be rooting for em either way.
People should be in aw about how good Eric Berry is. It’s gonna be scary what he does in his sophomore campaign and for the next 10 seasons. Hopefully the chiefs don’t pull a Jared Allen with him and keep him locked down forever.
by KCinNY on Jun 10, 2011 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't agree with this at all
First of all, Cassel certainly can lead game winning drives, as evidence in our games against Pittsburgh in 2009 and Buffalo last year. The only reason he hasn’t had that many is that he’s only played with us two years, and in that time very few of the games were set up for game winning drives, especially last year. If you look it up, almost all of our games last year were blowouts. And I don’t know about you, but I’d much rather blow out people than have a game winning drive.
Secondly, “game winning drives” are vastly overrated. Manning isn’t good because he has lots of game winning drives, he has lots of game winning drives because he’s played forever and is a good enough quarterback that he scores on a lot of his drives, not just game winning ones. A touchdown in the first quarter counts for the same number of points as one in the fourth.
As for being a pro-bowler, nobody is suggesting that he is going to be a pro-bowler every year like Manning and Brady, but he certainly deserved the #4 QB spot last year, seeing how he and Brady had two of the best TD to Int ratios of all time (at least Cassel did until the Oakland game).
I agree that he’s a slightly above average QB at best, but I haven’t heard anybody say anything other than that. He didn’t make NFL network’s top 100, he was 14th in ESPN’s power rankings, and everybody else has only said he’s a game manager. Just because you’re a starting QB who isn’t elite doesn’t mean you’re overrated.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Jun 10, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hate to beat a dead horse
but in IND game Cassel did lead a game-winning drive, but Bowe dropped the pass. Same thing with OAK, Bowe dropped the game-ending first down the Chiefs needed.
MNF home opener was awesome even though Cassel did not have a great game but I’ll take his play over Brodie’s 0 in the second SD game.
I agree with wusti, Matt may not be elite but that doesn’t make him overrated.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 10, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Had he led a game winning drive we probably would have won the game..
Bowe was trying to catch that ball at or below his knees spinng around backwards. Can’t put al the blame for Cassel’s inaccurate heave on Bowe’s drop.
by bamachief5558 on Jun 10, 2011 4:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Go watch the "NFL top 100" on Bowe and watch a replay of that drop
You could not be more wrong about that throw.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Ah well maybe it was the subsequent drop that was so low
but either way, it was not an ideal pass.
I’m not saying Dwayne Bowe is clutch — he isn’t. I’m just saying Matt Cassel sucks.
by bamachief5558 on Jun 10, 2011 6:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not if you're basing your opinion on that pass
I don’t know where you’re getting that it “wasn’t ideal”. Seriously, watch the replay.
MC does enough bad things without making other stuff up. He’s average to a little above average, but that drop by Bowe was ALL on Bowe.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Ball placement is important on the quarterback's part.
But it doesn’t matter, you were pretty much right about the catch.
I wasn’t complaining about Cassel during the middle of last season. Just during the beginning and end. And all we can do is watch next season and see what happens.
by bamachief5558 on Jun 11, 2011 3:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Very true
And he was pretty bad to start the season and worse than that at the end. Sure, there are excuses, but sooner or later (and in this case, now) a QB needs to be able to overcome some adversity.
It’s frustrating, because I look at the core we have in place and feel like if Cassel can just be above average on a CONSISTENT basis, we’ve got a shot to contend. That’s all we need. JC, Bowe, Moeaki, Hali, Berry, DJ, Flowers, Carr, and Dorsey can take care of the rest IMO provided our draft class this year pans out half as good as it looks on paper.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Pretty much the same here.
I just don’t see an elite quarterback, now or ever, in Matt Cassel, and I think with an elite QB our team could explode.
by bamachief5558 on Jun 11, 2011 3:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And then apologize to MC :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
hmmmmmm ... well, maybe not Chiefs Player related, but certainly AP related ...
Overrated: Aiken-Drum (self assessment)
Underrated: BJ Kissel (The Artist Formerly Known As Bajah)
hard to say, really … do we mean over/under rated by Chiefs fans? by national media? by popular acclaim or trade wishlists? it’s all opinion anyway, and we all know what that’s worth …
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I don't think
there are any over rated players, I mean last year was the first time I think the national media acknowledged we had a football team. I prefer we keep underrated and under the radar so again they won’t see us coming.
When I look around the NFL
I would rather have any starting QB over Cassel…He is the least deserving of them all. Cassel is a project that Pioli hopes will develop but so far, after two seasons, has not. I think even Pioli will give up on him this year.
Brodie's better than Cassel
Made no sense the first time you posted
Your on somethin if you’d take any other qb in the league. But do pass that shit
by KCinIL on Jun 10, 2011 12:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No way
Palmer/Gabbert, Hasselbeck, Henne, Webb, Romo, Fitzpatrick, McCoy, Young/Collins/Locker, Cambell, Orton/Tebow, Claussen/Newton, McNabb/Grossman, Sanchez, Garrard, whatevers in AZ and SF and even Cutler and Schaub…I’ll take what we got then those other situations
by KCinIL on Jun 10, 2011 12:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You would rather have any QB
Over a pro bowler? Good solid logic.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
Give me
Carson Palmer, Joe Webb, Tony Romo, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Colt McCoy, Vince Youngm Jake Locker, Tim Tebow (yup), Donovan McNabb, Jay Cutler, or Matt Schaub off that list over Matt Cassel. Seriously.
by bamachief5558 on Jun 10, 2011 4:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good thing your not running things
by KCinIL on Jun 10, 2011 5:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
most awful comment ever.
To be expected from a bama fan. Tony Romo and Jay Cutler are the 2 most overrated QB’s in the NFL and Vince Young is Horrible! I would take Cam Newton or Tim Tebow over Vince Young any day.
by Devildog8201 on Jun 10, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Vince Young is a proven winner.
First of all.
Tony Romo are both immensely talented and could do some good things on better/functional teams.
So yeah, I’d rather have any of those three over Cassel.
Roll Tide.
by bamachief5558 on Jun 11, 2011 3:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Proven winner?
He can’t even win the starting qb job in Ten. Let alone games. Romo is a joke, nothing really else to say about him. Has talent everywhere and still can’t do shit
by KCinIL on Jun 11, 2011 12:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure how Vince Young's record as a starter is debatable...
But OK, whatever you want to believe.
The entire Cowboys team is loaded and can’t do shit. It’s been pretty dysfunctional down there in Dallas. Tony Romo is talented beyond a doubt, same with Jay Cutler.
All you have to do is watch any of these three to know they are better than Cassel.
by bamachief5558 on Jun 11, 2011 5:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I love it!
Brodie’s better than Cassel
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
cassel is a little over rated guy has done nothing against a real team
Underated is tamba he gets noooo looove maybe because he’s an ol dirty bastard look alike.
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by sexassassin on Jun 10, 2011 12:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
hmm
Overrated: Pete Prisco
Underrated: The Kansas City Chiefs
I eat success for breakfast....with skim milk.
I'd say he was right.
I’d say Cassel is overrated in the sense he got to go to the Pro Bowl. No way he deserved that except for the lack of quality QBs currently in the league. I agree with Carr and I would throw in Kendrick Lewis. McGraw singlehandedly cost us games last year and got eaten up by the Balt TE in the playoffs. Lewis, when healthy, made a big difference for us. I also think Arenas is underrated as nickel corner. Bowe is mos def overrated. I don’t understand how but Tamba Hali is very underrated.
From what I saw in the Baltimore game
the defense left Heap wide open underneath all day. Not sure that can be blamed on McGraw.
Kendrick Lewis is awesome but still a young developing player.
by bamachief5558 on Jun 10, 2011 4:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I would say
Overrated: Derrick Johnson
Underrated: Glenn Dorsey
I love Johnson but he gets a lot of love for a guy who has only had one solid year. Cassel would be my second choice but he gets a lot of flack currently.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
Cassel is overrated
because many fans (NFL fans, not just Chiefs fans) think he’s “pretty good” when really he is “pretty average”.
Throw in the folks who think he is the Chiefs’ franchise guy and yeah, he is pretty overrated.
by bamachief5558 on Jun 10, 2011 4:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
From a guy
Who thinks Vince young and Joe Webb are better(who both won’t even be starting next year)
by KCinIL on Jun 10, 2011 5:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha maybe not Joe Webb.
I liked watching him against the Eagles. He played a good game. Who knows?
But the rest, absolutely. Especially Vince Young.
by bamachief5558 on Jun 10, 2011 6:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Vince young?
You being serious? You a big Texas fan or somethin? How in the world is young better than Cassel right now?
by KCinIL on Jun 10, 2011 7:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm an Alabama fan.
And Vince Young is immensely talented. He’s a game changer and he wins ball games.
Talk about underrated. Vince may have had a couple shaky maturity moments, but mostly the problem there just appears to be a bad HC/QB relationship, which is why both are being shown the door in Tennessee.
by bamachief5558 on Jun 11, 2011 5:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry but...
Overrated by Chiefs fans would be Brandon Flowers. Don’t get me wrong he’s really good and all but not a top 5 corner. Maybe on his way to top 5 but way overrated by Chiefs fans. Underrated…..agree with Carr
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Overrated/ Underrated
Overrated the entire teams of Dallas, San Diego, and Indy
Underrated the Chiefs, Oakland, and Tampa Bay. Go ahead and throw Detroit in for good measure cause Suh and Fairley are going to be terrifying. I know that Cassel and everyother qb in the league isn’t looking forward to playing the Lions.

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