Checking In On A Few NFL Rumors
The Kansas City Chiefs don't have a lot of rumors surrounding their team but that doesn't mean those rumors aren't happening around the rest of the league. This isn't Chiefs-related but I wanted to take a look at a few of the quarterbacks around the league and where they could end up. It's a slow Chiefs news day.
Kyle Orton: There's a report out there tying him to the Cardinals but, apparently, Orton is just the Cards' "Plan B" behind Kolb. They could be ready to compete if they had a competent quarterback so I think either of these guys will be in play. WR Larry Fitzgerald is entering the final year of his deal and Arizona needs to convince him to come back. I imagine another five-win season wouldn't do that. The Vikings make sense to me if the Cards go after Kolb and get him. Orton could succeed quickly there.
Kevin Kolb: He'll be the cream of the crop when it comes to talking about quarterback trades. He'll cost at least a first round pick for the Philadelphia Eagles and it sounds like the Eagles will entertain offers for him. There's reportedly already a first round pick on the table when the lockout is lifted. It sounds like he has similar value to Matt Cassel. I would guess he ends up in Arizona.
Donovan McNabb: He reportedly has a $10 million roster bonus early in the league year so it's hard to see how he returns to the Washington Redskins. The Arizona Cardinals would seem to make sense but apparently they're not interested in him. Where does he go? I can't give a good guess here. Minnesota maybe, although those in Minnesota seem to doubt it.
Matt Hasselbeck: Will he be back with the Seattle Seahawks? People close to him suggest he's not going back but the Seahawks didn't draft a quarterback and have done nothing to suggest they want Hasselbeck to leave. In fact, their offensive coordinator recently told him that they want him back. He'd be a good fit for a team that needs a one or two year fix at quarterback but I'll guess the Seahawks bring him back for another year.
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...and also the best QB of the options.
Kyle never got alot of love anywhere he was, but I’d take him any day of the week.
Kolb hasn’t done shit, McNabb is washed up and Hasselbeck is a bald asshole (H/T HIV 2 Elway)
by craig in calgary on May 6, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
I don’t think Orton was the problem in Denver.. I doubt Tebow will be any better so it will be interesting to see what they do.
by Bigcherokeechief on May 6, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Tebow wouldn't be a better option than Orton in 2011
But I think they need to play him, they need to see what they have in him and the longer he sits on the bench, the longer they will have to wait to get another QB if Tebow doesn’t work out.
Donks aren’t winning the Superbowl in 2011 with either QB, so they might as well let Virgin Air have the ball
by craig in calgary on May 6, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Also if they start Tebow they will probably have a chance for Luck next year.
by groundedchevy on May 6, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey.....
did you guys think a few years ago you would be talking about ole’ neckbeard so reverantly.
Still busts my chit up that he broke out the way he did. Im still WTF haha.
Team Berry
Team BalHudson...i guess..now
by MasterBlaster7 on May 6, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree there
Orton was pretty good for Denver, just like Plummer was. Silly Bronco’s run all their QB’s out of town!
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
hands down dumbest pick I've ever seen
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Orton's really done little without Josh
Josh turned him into a QB. Without Josh, I see him becomeing Orton again.
Ken Wisenhunt isn't exactly an idiot when it comes to offense.
"If you really want to shatter a backboard, tell it it's adopted." - Norm MacDonald
It's funny
The only reason that Kolb is the candy of everyone’s eye is because of our shitty team 2 years ago. He lit up the Chiefs for 400 yards, and really hasn’t done anything before or since.
YOU’RE WELCOME
by craig in calgary on May 6, 2011 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
It's funny
The only reason that Cassel was the candy of everyone’s eye is because of our shitty team that took out Brady. He stepped into a very talented team, and really hasn’t done anything before or since.
YOU’RE WELCOME
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 6, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Its Clear
What he has done. He a top 15 Quarterback in the NFL.
by Bigcherokeechief on May 6, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Who doesn’t love a mediocre quarterback?
by JComp11 on May 6, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Top 15 is very generous
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 6, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
How so
Great QB are rare, no more then the top 8 in the leauge, after that It goes from Good, to ok, to bad. Cassel is good, but not elete, and he has less playing time then a lot of QB’s. I doubt serisouly you could blame 2009 on Cassel, the entire team sucked, and the team didn’t suck in 2010. I think it will be 2 years before we see Cassel at his best, and then who knows.
After watching Stanzi in the Senior bowl, and seeing him at the Combine, the likelyhood that he is an Elite QB is pretty small.
by Bigcherokeechief on May 6, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Cassel still has issues
Will he continue to improve, well thats the question aint it? As of right now he has not done much, get offended as much as you want.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 6, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not Offended
That is the question.. And time will tell.
QB on this list from 11 to about 19 could be interchange depending on how you rate them.. This is how I rate them
1. T. Brady
1. P. Manning
2. D. Breez
4. B. Roslisburger
5. A. Rogers
6. Philip Rivers
7. Eli Manning
8. T. Romo
9. M. Ryan
10. M. Vick
11. K. Orton
12. J. Placo
13. M Schaub
14. T. Cassel
15. C. Palmer
16. J. Freeman
17. J. Cutler
18 S. Bradford
19. M. Stafford
20. C. McCoy
21. R. Fitzpatric
by Bigcherokeechief on May 6, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you mean Flacco not Placo
I would put Freeman, possibly Palmer above Cassel. Bradford could really rise now that they added some weapons for him. Stafford would be way lower considering he can’t stay healthy behind that line. Cutler is well Cutler
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 6, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
But
I think you see my point. And I left out McNabb who I think is around 18 but has no team, and Hasselback who is on his last leg.. I think Bradford, Stafford, and McCoy all have the potential to rise much higher on the list, and Freeman as well.
by Bigcherokeechief on May 6, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Freeman already has a case
Bradford will have to string at least 1 more season.. who is T.Cassel anyways?
Saying ’It’s clear what hes done, hes a top 15 QB’ just really is not the case IMO, he could be after this season which it’s clear we are trying to give him every chance to succeed.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 6, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
To
me, its clear he has established himself as a good QB. But every year you must do that as a QB. P. Manning was awful his first year, and not great in his second. My Guess is Cassel gets better.
by Bigcherokeechief on May 6, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Cassel is just like my 20 year old Jeep...
the clutch works 50% of the time. I kick it and say GD it! alot.
Team Berry
Team BalHudson...i guess..now
by MasterBlaster7 on May 6, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Being good at the QB position really doesn't matter anymore
As most people will point out, you need at the very least a VERY good QB if not elite in this league anymore. Cassel could not deal with being ‘the guy’ when teams shut down the run. Yeah he had some purdy stats, but some horrible decisions/games.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 6, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Big Ben at 4? Way to high, way to overrated.
It is what it is and we are who we are.
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by nateforchiefs on May 6, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Colt gets #20, and Bradford the rookie of the year gets only 2 spots higher?
It is what it is and we are who we are.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
Not all those who wander are lost. /////// I dont mind stealing bread.
by nateforchiefs on May 6, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Statistically, last season, maybe.
In reality, no. Not really.
by bamachief5558 on May 6, 2011 11:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Last season? Matt Cassel was definitely a top 15 quarterback.
He had a better year, statistically, than a lot of “top” quarterbacks. If you go by QB rating, he was top 10. If you go by TD/INT ratio, he was top 5.
Now, is he a top 15 QB in reality? Also yes. At least possibly. Matt Cassel isn’t in the elite tier of quarterbacks that can carry a team without help and turn anyone on his squad into a receiving threat (like Brees, Manning, Rogers, Brady, etc.). But the two years that he’s had a decent team around him, he’s put up top 10 QB type numbers. Plus, next year he should have several advantages that he didn’t last year.
Last year he had Dwayne Bowe (who, while amazing for stretches of time last season, didn’t really break out until week 6 or so), Tony Moeaki, a great run game to take the some of the pressure off, and that was pretty much it.
This next year he should have full season with the “new and improved” Dwayne Bowe. Moeaki is likely to continue to improve. He should, finally, have a legitimate #2 receiver to take the pressure off Bowe. He should have a healthy Dexter McCluster and Jereme Urban to work with (though the former will admittedly be getting more touches in the backfield than last year). He should be behind an even more stable offensive line. He should be able to continue to rely on Jamaal Charles, not only to take pressure off the passing game but as one of the best receiving backs in the league.
Now it’s possible that guys like Bowe or Richardson will regress. Maybe Moeaki, Urban, and Lilja will get hurt. Maybe McCluster will continue to look as lackluster as he did after his injury last year. Maybe Wiegmann will retire and Hudson will bust. Maybe Waters and Thomas Jones will run out of steam. Maybe Charles will find last year’s levels of productiveness unsustainable. But barring that kind of total catastrophe, next year’s team looks like it has the makings of a top 10 offense. And Matt Cassel has never, in his short history as a starter, been given the keys to a talented offense and not turned in a top 10 performance.
Matt Cassel is not and never will be Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. But he could totally be Trent Green. Trent Green, when given the right pieces, could be very effective when called for. Does anyone think that the 2003 Chiefs, had they had a the type of competent defense that most of us think Romeo Crennel is building here, couldn’t have reached the Super Bowl?
Matt Cassel absolutely laid an egg against one of the most dominant defenses in the league in the playoffs. Guess what? The whole team did. The Baltimore game was 4 months ago. It’s time to get over it and get off Matt Cassel’s back.
"If you really want to shatter a backboard, tell it it's adopted." - Norm MacDonald
Now it’s possible that guys like Bowe or Richardson will regress. Maybe Moeaki, Urban, and Lilja will get hurt. Maybe McCluster will continue to look as lackluster as he did after his injury last year. Maybe Wiegmann will retire and Hudson will bust. Maybe Waters and Thomas Jones will run out of steam. Maybe Charles will find last year’s levels of productiveness unsustainable. But barring that kind of total catastrophe, next year’s team looks like it has the makings of a top 10 offense.
Exactly the problem. It could be everyone else, but not Matt Cassel.
Matt Cassel absolutely laid an egg against one of the most dominant defenses in the league in the playoffs. Guess what? The whole team did. The Baltimore game was 4 months ago. It’s time to get over it and get off Matt Cassel’s back.
Most people who say he’s not a franchise QB are considering the whole season, not just the last game.
That all being said....
Im curious to see how Cassel performs with the Baldwin deep threat.
My major rant with both Cassel and Bowe is that they are both 50/50 in the clutch…when one isnt f***ing it up…the other is.
Also, the box wont be stacked and Cassel will have some improved pocket protection.
I like that Stanzi is in the wings too. Good motivation.
Team Berry
Team BalHudson...i guess..now
by MasterBlaster7 on May 6, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes I think
the competition will be good for Matt
by Bigcherokeechief on May 6, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly the problem. It could be everyone else, but not Matt Cassel.
Of course it could be Cassel’s fault. What I said was, barring a total catastrophe where all of those “worst case scenarios” happen at once, we should have the makings of a top 10 offense. If Cassel doesn’t produce despite having those pieces around him, it would absolutely be his fault. What I’m saying is, historically, Cassel has produced with talent around him.
Most people who say he’s not a franchise QB are considering the whole season, not just the last game.
You say that, but AP has always run hot and cold on Matt Cassel. The calls to replace Matt Cassel were a lot quieter and coming from far fewer people during the regular season. I’ll grant you that “popular” sentiment was probably swayed against Cassel by more than just the Baltimore game – in the sense that a lot of critics are probably also weighing the Oakland game, too. But, considering that Cassel’s “failings” over the course of the entire season are supposedly what has so many calling for his head, it’s amazing how few were doing so before week 17. I guess it’s funny how things work out like that.
Matt Cassel sucked at the end of the season. So did the entire team. I’m not saying that it’s not Matt Cassel’s fault, I’m saying that it’s not only Cassel’s fault. But Cassel is the “face of the franchise” and so he’s gotten the brunt of Chiefs fans’ frustration as they’ve spent the last several months stewing over an undesirable end to a great season. Suddenly, you’d never know that Cassel’s 27-7 TD/INT ratio was actually pretty good. Apparently Cassel had an awful season. Suddenly Cassel made the pro bowl “by default” (completely overlooking the fact that the guy he replaced, who has such strong name recognition that he likely would have made the pro bowl without ever taking the field, arguably put up worse numbers than him over the course of the year).
Matt Cassel is not going to the hall of fame. Matt Cassel hasn’t yet hit his ceiling and could still stand to improve, particularly when it comes to completion percentage and, more specifically, down field accuracy. But if you look at what Cassel did last year with 1 wide receiver and a rookie tight end and claim that the calls by a lot of fans to replace him are based on some sort of emotionless and objective evaluation of the whole season, you’ll have to excuse my skepticism.
I’m not saying it’s never Matt Cassel’s fault. There were times last year that he needed to play better and didn’t. But you know what? It’s a 53 man team and there are 11 on the field at any given time. Cassel doesn’t play defense. It wasn’t his job to cover Todd Heap or stuff Darren McFadden. Cassel doesn’t play o-line. It’s not his fault Casey Wiegmann is a hundred years old or that Oakland and Baltimore dominated our offensive line. Cassel doesn’t play receiver. It’s not his fault that Chris Chambers disappears after he gets paid or that Jereme Urban got hurt. Matt Cassel does play quarterback. It is his fault when he doesn’t hit a wide open Kevin Curtis for a TD or throws a bad pass that gets picked off. But you’re partially right. When the whole team fails to perform in a 30-7 loss, you’ll be hard pressed to get me to admit that it’s all Cassel’s fault.
"If you really want to shatter a backboard, tell it it's adopted." - Norm MacDonald
Maybe the disconnect is that people like me aren’t here to blame Cassel for the team’s failures. I’m here to blame him for his own failures. He looks mediocre against god-awful secondaries and god-awful against mediocre secondaries. There were dozens of times when he has a wide open man (specifically Charles coming out of the backfield), but is locked on to another man. There are times when his receivers are wide open and he airmails it or throws it to the turf. Those are his short-comings and, as a 29 year old quarterback, I personally don’t believe he’ll overcome all of them. And even if he does he’ll be reaching his peak just in time for his body to start falling apart.
If you go back to the aftermath of the Ravens game you’ll find that the overwhelming majority of “haters” around here did not blame the entire loss on Cassel, and I think you’d find the same throughout the season. The difference is that the Cassel defenders (sense apologist apparently has a different meaning on AP) RARELY accept that the guy has done ANYTHING wrong. The point is, when the team fails I’m not blaming it on him. When CASSEL looks like shit I blame it on him.
Amen.
I would MUCH rather go against Timmy T-Bone than a QB that can actually throw the football and break down a defense.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on May 6, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I despise the Donkeys but never had a problem with Orton
He’s a solid quarterback who gets thrown to the street wherever he’s at for some reason. Gotta feel for the guy. Hope he lands in a good spot.
Unfortunately for him,
it’s probably because he’s a dorky looking guy and not someone that a team can make the “face” of the franchise. No doubt he’s a solid QB though.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on May 6, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a good point
Maybe a little plastic surgery and a P90X regiment would give him the qualifications for a Franchise QB. Lol.
by SacramentoDrew on May 6, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you Drew. I almost feel sorry for him.
Just can’t quite do it because he is still a donkey. BUT, he is a very good quarterback and very under-rated in MHO.
Kolb worth a first
That’s pretty ridiculous, he’s played enough to keep his draft status(2nd) but that’s about it.
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Only time will tell...
I think people overrate him because he comes from Andy Reid's WCO
therefore
Kolb = perfect WCO QB
It’s funny because I live in San Jose and all the talk radio guys were talking about how the 49ers want Kolb and how he would be great in Harbaugh’s WCO blah blah blah. Then one day one guy questioned Kolb love then compared him to Alex Smih. Can you guess who looks better?
by theaxeeffect4721 on May 6, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Kolb will be just fine.
1st? I wouldn’t. Bug if he had a stronger arm then yes.
Also, I think people should stop underrating Tim Tebow. I guarantee he will be a lot better than all the trash that gets talked about him. Denver will be fine without Orton.
by bamachief5558 on May 6, 2011 12:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Kolb not worth a first?
Name a qb that you would have taken in this years draft over him… just saying…
I agree
I think we got Cassel for a second round and that trade would not be any better then that.
by Bigcherokeechief on May 6, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem is 12t
It is NEXT years 1st and there is several pro-ready QB prospects ready to come out.
by craig in calgary on May 6, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions

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