Kansas City Chiefs vs. Detroit Lions: NFL Week Two
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 10:36 AM CDT
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Detroit Lions 2011 after the draft interview with Jim Schwartz (via houtmaster)
From the FanPosts. -Chris
When is Brodie Croyle not Matthew Stafford? Well Matthew has won 3 games in two years as the starter. Brodie did not beat Washington twice, nor Cleveland once. Sadly, in those two seasons starting Matthew started weeks 1-4 and 8-13 in 2009 and then week 1 and weeks 8-9 in 2010. To my mind that is 4 seperate injuries in two seasons. Brodie is Iron Man :) Matthew has accumulated a record of 3-10 in two seasons with 19 TD's and 21 Interceptions throwing for 2802 yards. In comparison, our Matt Cassel has accumulated a 13-18 record with 6,040 yards and 43 TD's to 23 Interceptions with only 2 games missed, one due to an Appendectomy. Matt Stafford Interview here.
Matthew Stafford may be the next "Great NFL QB" but he has to prove it on the playing field. Else Shaun Hill awaits.
The Detroit Lions Offensive Line Question
While I am sure there are many more categories that could be parsed out of these main four I think we fit as much into the four as possible. What is amazing is how different the view can actually be on a topic from people that all love and routinely watch the Detroit Lions. Most everyone reading this will agree that are D-line is great, that Stafford has potential, that we need a solid starting Cb and help at the Linebacker position. There are disagreements but within a general consensus. As for the O-line.....no such luck. The fact alone has to count for something when analyzing Link
A nice read on where the fans stand on the Lions offensive line, we know where Matthew Stafford sees them, from the sidelines usually.
The 2011 Detroit Lions draft is quality over quantity. A Solid DT to pair with Ndamukong Suh and a pair of Offensive playmakers to help Matthew Stafford and Calvin Johnson.
Nick Fairley
Pick Analysis: The rest of the NFC North should beware after the Lions add Fairley to their defensive line. He was the most dominant defensive player in college football, and he will team with Ndamukong Suh to form a dynamic tandem on the interior. His character issues are overblown, and the Lions might have been the biggest beneficiaries of the surprising quarterback run during the early part of the draft.Titus Young
Pick Analysis: Jim Schwartz takes one of the most explosive receivers remaining on the board with the selection of Young. His speed and athleticism will blow the top off coverage and create big-play opportunities for the Lions in the passing game. He also gives them a dynamic returner with explosive skills in the kicking game, which could lead to shorter fields for their offense.Mikel Leshoure
Pick Analysis: Martin Mayhew adds a big, rugged running back to the Lions' rotation. He is productive between the tackles and allows Jahvid Best to slide into a role as a change-of-pace back. The combination of Leshoure and Best gives the team a formidable tandem to trot out behind Matthew Stafford.
MooseVenom
7:02 PM on May 17, 2011
| Likes: 0 | Replies (0)Replies (1) Replies (0)Replies (1) Please wait while we perform your request. Abuse Reported Report Abuse This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore MooseVenom. Show DetailsHide DetailsI think people do not realize that with the secondary hammered with injuries all of last season, the Lions actually finished in the top half of the league in pass defense. I don't think our need for db's is quite as bad as most think. And most of the damage was done early in the season, before the defensive backfield miraculously started to gel, against all odds. By the end of the season, I REALLY liked our pass defense. How many touchdowns did we give up against the Superbowl champs late in the season?? Oh yeah, none.
The Lions were 24th against the run. The defensive players that the staff drafted are absolutely perfect for getting better there.
Draft grade: A
2011 Free Agents
- Copeland Bryan Defensive Lineman
- Turk McBride Defensive Lineman
- Bobby Carpenter Linebacker
- Landon Johnson Linebacker
- Julian Peterson Linebacker
- John Wendling Defensive Back
- Brandon McDonald Defensive Back
- Chris Houston Defensive Back
- Drew Stanton Quarterback
- Kevin Smith Running Back
- Dylan Gandy Center
- Corey Hilliard Tackle
- Dave Rayner Place Kicker
I think the Kansas City Chiefs game at Detroit comes down to the QB play for each team. The Chiefs were 2-1 on turf last season defeating St. Louis, Seattle, and losing to Indianapolis by 5 points. I don't know if Matthew Stafford will have all of his weapon systems charged up yet in Week Two.
Geaux Chiefs
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Detroit still needs work
Our pass rush as it is—vs THAT OLine— should be enough to scare Stafford into fits. Add a hopefully starting Studebaker and sprinkle in some Houston on those 3rd and longs and Stafford may just be facing what Steve tallies as his 5th separate injury.
What should be interesting is Fairley and Suh vs an interior with potentially a rookie in the Center. We should be able to stretch them sideline to sideline with JCDMC. TJ, otoh, may have a rough go of it. Hope he’s shaved 5-7 lbs from last year’s weight and is hitting that hole a little quicker. Not sure Wiegs OR Hudson fares well vs that duo.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on May 28, 2011 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Yep, the interior Offensive line is going to have to get better
One thought that pops in my mind is how teams are going to try to aggravate Fairley into personnal Fouls. Hell it might not even require aggravation to draw penalties from him.
The Detroit D is going to be tough at the line of scrimmage, I wonder how deep that toughness goes over the middle with the MLB
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 28, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I see Water effing with Fairley
Dude’s nasty
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 28, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Waters*
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 28, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't Suh play on that side, though?
I see Waters gettin manhandled by Suh.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on May 29, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Suh moves all around
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 29, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah suh plays everywhere
Regardless just have Waters mess with Fairley when he can, shoot, might as well Shaun Smith in there at FB to mess with him.
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 29, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm. Power up against their power.
I dunno about that theory. But maybe just throw extra men at the trenches.
I think I’d use my light cavalry to get numerical advantages to one side or the other and make those fatties in the middle give chase. Taking a guy out of the pattern, out of respect for Suh might be just what they need and what Gunther bases his D on. This is a team I want to outmaneuver in the open field, rather than throw a forlorn hope at the main gates.
would of ≠ would've
Suh and Fairley, together, might be like elephants of Porus against the Macedonians at Hydaspes.
You can power up against ‘em, but this pair of tackles is not something you want your interior line taking head-on. Basically you run away from ’em, to start things off. Then, like Albert did against Justin Smith, try to use his momentum against him, give him his lane and take the other. You can’t stop Suh, but you can redirect him, and that’s about all JCDex need.
would of ≠ would've
it could very well lead to stafford's next injury(facing our D)
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
what would be worrying is if the NFL had to apply their backup plan.
Playing @Denver on Jan 1st, @Detroit on Jan 8th would really suck
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 28, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
and @San Diego on Jan 15th
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 28, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
well if that did happen
we would play 8 home games and 5 road games before the 2012 three game road trip
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
How I'd break them down
Offense:
OL – Chiefs(Pretty easily)
RB – Chiefs(I like Leshoure and Best as a combo potential though)
WR – Lions(Better depth, we really have Bowe right now, Baldwins is still raw and we have no one else really)
QB – Wash(Stafford is just boss but injury-prone, Cassel is average but a hard worker)
Defense:
DL – Lions(Probably best DL in the business)
LB – Chiefs(By Default, and they have good players)
2ndary – Chiefs (Again by default, we have a great 2ndary, the Lions just have Delmas)
So overall its close but we edge them out slightly.
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
I agree
I was worried quickly when I saw QB Wash
He could be good
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 28, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I did the same thing when I compared us to the Buccaneers on a different site
Overall we have a better team, but they have a potentially Elite QB.
Same thing with the Lions. Stafford is a Great quarterback, much better then Cassel is currently, but is just a ticking time bomb for an injury unfortunately. I never want to see a player injured, but this game is going to be much closer then people think if Stafford stays healthy the whole game.
That’s why I love and hate the Chiefs right now, we have such a good team all-around but our QB, who is fine I won’t say he’s horrible, is just holding us down. The mark of a good QB is making the players(especially WRs) around him better, and this just isn’t what Cassel does.
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Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 28, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw a lot of promise out of Cassel last season
He’s getting rid of the ball early when facing pressure, not taking sacks, protecting the football… Rivers is considered an elite QB but he was directly responsible for a good portion of the Chargers turnovers.
All that aside, I saw Cassel take some chances on some throws, giving his guys chances to make plays. There was a little timing route towards the right pylon for a TD to Charles, Tucker vs the Raiders in the back of the endzone.. Even the Moeaki posterized jump ball.. There were a few other touch passes that stood out that I can’t pull from the memory banks right now, but he’s definitely developing into a guy that, more and more, is giving his weapons opportunities to make plays in one on one situations.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on May 29, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh don't get me wrong I think we haven't seen Cassel's ceiling yet
But how high is that ceiling really? At least he’s in a system that fits him, and with weapons added on every year to help him out.
We’ll so how it goes in the long run.
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 29, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
We should see it this year
Matt should have as many weapons this year as is possible to field :)
RB’s – Charles, Jones, McCluster, and Cox
TE’s – Moeaki, Cottam, and O’Connell or Pope
WR’s – Bowe, Baldwin, Urban, and Tucker for the speed over the top
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Rookie WRs are kind of hit and miss on production.
Tucker was descent, but do we really know how urban will pan out? I don’t know that he was anything spectacular in AZ.
hopefully we are talking about maybe 6 targets a game combined for non
Bowe/Baldwin/Moeaki/Charles
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I say it won't even be close
Chiefs: 35
Lions: 10
Jamaal Charles and Tamba Hali...Enough said.
by Chiefsfan85 on May 28, 2011 10:23 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
on the road for the Detroit home-opener?
If the Chiefs Defense gets after Stafford it might end up like St. Louis and Seattle.
Or it could be like Cleveland last year, I really did try to find a game on the Detroit schedule last year that would simulate the Chiefs. I thought maybe Minnesota was the closest with Peterson.
Minnesota beat Detroit in Minnesota, Detroit won at Home
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Detroit_Lions_season
At Minnesota
RUSHING ATT YDS AVG LG TD RUSHING ATT YDS AVG LG TD
J.Best 7 26 3.7 16 0 A.Peterson 23 160 7.0 80 2
S.Logan 1 21 21.0 21 0 P.Harvin 2 13 6.5 10 0
M.Morris 6 5 0.8 3 0 T.Gerhart 3 12 4.0 8 0
J.Felton 2 5 2.5 3 0 B.Favre 2 -2 -1.0 -1 0
Sh.Hill 2 4 2.0 2 0
C.Johnson 1 2 2.0 2 0
Total 19 63 3.3 21 0 Total 30 183 6.1 80 2
PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT
Sh.Hill 43 29 237 1/5 1 24 2 69.6 B.Favre 34 23 201 2/16 1 24 2 68.4
Total 43 29 237 1/5 1 24 2 69.6 Total 34 23 201 2/16 1 24 2 68.4
PASS RECEIVING TAR REC YDS AVG LG TD PASS RECEIVING TAR REC YDS AVG LG TD
T.Scheffler 9 7 60 8.6 24 1 P.Harvin 8 6 62 10.3 24 1
C.Johnson 7 6 56 9.3 21 0 A.Peterson 7 5 30 6.0 17 0
B.Pettigrew 9 6 44 7.3 11 0 G.Lewis 4 3 30 10.0 14 0
M.Morris 7 5 36 7.2 16 0 J.Kleinsasser 2 2 17 8.5 10 0
D.Williams 2 2 23 11.5 17 0 G.Camarillo 2 2 16 8.0 10 0
J.Best 4 2 13 6.5 8 0 B.Berrian 4 2 11 5.5 6 0
J.Felton 1 1 5 5.0 5 0 H.Baskett 3 1 18 18.0 18 0
B.Johnson 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 J.Dugan 1 1 10 10.0 10 0
V.Shiancoe 1 1 7 7.0 7 0
T.Gerhart 1 0 0 0.0 0 0
Total 43 29 237 8.2 24 1 Total 33 23 201 8.7 24 1
At Detroit
RUSHING ATT YDS AVG LG TD RUSHING ATT YDS AVG LG TD
J.Webb 5 35 7.0 12 0 J.Best 10 34 3.4 9 0
A.Peterson 14 31 2.2 10 0 M.Morris 12 21 1.8 7 1
T.Gerhart 3 12 4.0 6 0 N.Burleson 1 20 20.0 20 0
P.Harvin 2 -4 -2.0 1 0 S.Logan 1 12 12.0 12 0
Sh.Hill 2 11 5.5 7 0
J.Felton 1 9 9.0 9 0
Total 24 74 3.1 12 0 Total 27 107 4.0 20 1
PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT
J.Webb 32 20 145 3/8 0 20 1 60.0 Sh.Hill 39 28 258 1/8 1 33 1 87.3
Total 32 20 145 3/8 0 20 1 60.0 Total 39 28 258 1/8 1 33 1 87.3
PASS RECEIVING TAR REC YDS AVG LG TD PASS RECEIVING TAR REC YDS AVG LG TD
P.Harvin 14 8 69 8.6 20 0 N.Burleson 8 6 83 13.8 33 1
J.Kleinsasser 2 2 22 11.0 20 0 T.Scheffler 7 6 50 8.3 16 0
B.Berrian 4 2 16 8.0 9 0 J.Best 7 6 23 3.8 9 0
V.Shiancoe 3 2 13 6.5 8 0 B.Johnson 5 3 49 16.3 23 0
A.Peterson 2 2 -2 -1.0 6 0 B.Pettigrew 6 3 19 6.3 12 0
G.Camarillo 1 1 13 13.0 13 0 M.Morris 3 2 24 12.0 13 0
L.Booker 2 1 6 6.0 6 0 W.Heller 1 1 6 6.0 6 0
T.Gerhart 1 1 6 6.0 6 0 J.Felton 1 1 4 4.0 4 0
N.Tahi 1 1 2 2.0 2 0
G.Lewis 2 0 0 0.0 0 0
Total 32 20 145 7.3 20 0 Total 38 28 258 9.2 33 1
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 28, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
nice finds as always, Steve
could and should be a good game … overall I think we have a slightly better team than Detroit (Crennel v Gun – who do YOU like?) but the Lions are making some VERY good progress very quickly (absent Stafford’s injury they could well have gone 8-8 or better a year ago)
this will not be an easy game, and as it’s Home Opener for Detroit, I’m thinking they could have an edge there that puts them over the top in this one … we shall see, eh?
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I'd hate to see Stafford go down again.
I like the guy and his potential. I don’t know what it is about the Lions, but I want to see them do well. Just not against us.
I see this game as a toss up
We didn’t take a whole lot of time to pass llast year as Cassel didn’t have a lot of time. Our running game was awesome, but we frequently could not get anything up the m ddle. I believe the Lions are going to give us problems. Their DL is more physical and dominant than the Raiders or Ravens Line. They are a team that mayforce us to have quick drops and to stay away from Charles and Jones up the middle. I will ignorantly guess a low scoring game with Charles sealing the deal with a big run.
Pick 21: OLB Justin Houston
Pick 30: C Rodney Hudson
Pick 86: NT Kenrick Ellis. (Ellis in the 3rd = Taylor in the 1st + 1st round pick).
Problems solved. Please forget about Phil Taylor.
Two things
1) Kevin Smith would be awesome in KC
2) Stafford > Sanchez
#91 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on May 29, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
Yep, agreed
Never was sold on Sanchez
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on May 29, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love Brad Smith
wouldn’t have to carry Palko, and would give us that flexible playmaker at WR and KR
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I like this matchup Bowe and Baldwin against
44 Aaron Berry CB 5-11 180 R Pittsburgh
24 Tye Hill CB 5-10 185 5 Clemson
23 Chris Houston CB 5-11 178 4 Arkansas
38 Prince Miller CB 5-9 198 R Georgia
36 Paul Pratt CB 5-10 185 1 Nevada-Reno
30 Nathan Vasher CB 5-11 185 7 Texas
"Hair cut time.''
Gun's D will give WRs room,
and try to intimidate them by hitting after the completion. Hope for an error by Cassel, off the pressure. Not a bad strategy. It’ll come down to execution by Cassel, which brings us to CWP’s comments.
would of ≠ would've
I don't agree with his philosophy
He’s saying draft the best player on your board regardless of need. Now you’re stacked at a few positions and have major holes everywhere else. Their DB’s blow, LB’s are weak. They’re O-line is also pretty bad. He addressed his teams 2 biggest strengths with the first 2 picks. Stupid if ya ask me.
It would make more sense if he addressed the strengths and had a 3rd and 4th to meet needs
I could see that maybe Jahvid Best needed some help, that could be a nice pairing of Power and Speed
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
True, but with nobody blocking for them
and your starting QB keeps going down. You can better round your team out then to draft the 2 least positions of need. We’ll have to wait and see how it works out for them
It might be a process :)
Detroit will be in good shape to pick some O-line in 2012.
Gosder Cherylis has some type of injury though and required microfracture surgery
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4815/player?r=1
Cherilus was said to be “moving well” in workouts with teammates last week. “I’m on schedule, just getting my knee strength back and doing what I’m asked to do,” Cherilus said. “I just did everything they put me through and we’re still progressing.” May 24, 7:59 PM
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if - especially if - that's a good strategy, it puts that offense 2 or 3 years away from consistency,
assuming there’s a QB still standing at the end, or if they have to go to the well and wait ANOTHER 2 or 3 years.
would of ≠ would've
They actually have an O-Line
Its not like they has ghosts blocking for them.
Its a weakness true, but its honestly not that horrifically bad as you’d think.
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Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 29, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Football Outsiders seems to agree, at least on the pass protection front
I had no idea.
Their run blocking is horrific, though. Last in the league.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
Obviously they have people blocking, come on now
They’re run blocking is terrible and when your franchise QB keeps ending up on the IR I think O-line is a significant need. Mike Pouncey would have helped their team way more than Fairley will
No QB stays off the ground
The question becomes is the Oline that bad and why Stafford keeps getting injured, or is it just Stafford? I mean wasn’t it last year when he hurt his shoulder from a shoe string tackle?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 29, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Shaun Hill was sacked 17 times in 11 games
Matt Stafford 4 sacks
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Stafford was two games right?
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 29, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
So mebbe it was the QB
like Cassel his first year with us
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by ChiefWarPaint on May 29, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Stafford was a rookie
year two, only 3 games started, again leads to luck or O-line?
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Bad Luck
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by ChiefWarPaint on May 29, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Bad luck to play behind that line.
Stafford took many more hits than sacks. It seemed like a high percentage of the time, he was taking pretty vicious hits after the pass.
would of ≠ would've
Actually
Detroit only allowed 64 QB hits per nfl.com and were rated 25th in that category. In Comparison the number 1 team, Jacksonville, allowed 111 hits. We were rated 15th with 74 hits. I seriously doubt that they allowed a TON of those hits when Stafford was playing, then all of a sudden decided to play better when the back-up came in.
Wanna know how many sacks they allowed? 27, that’s good for 6th in the entire league. We on the other hand allowed 32, good for 12th.
So again wrong, their line really wasn’t that bad last year. Just ish happens, Lions fans are always telling me that their line really isn’t that bad, and I’ll trust the fans that actually go indepth on their respective teams.
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
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by ChiefWarPaint on May 30, 2011 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Their line doesn't seem horrible from the stats
The poor run game, franchise QB always being out do say otherwise but I do think part of it is on Stafford
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 30, 2011 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Facts defy my eyes.
When I watch ‘em, it looks like skill players trying to do what they can behind a line that can’t run-block or pass-pro. It helps to have a beast like Calvin Johnson, who’s open the second he steps on the field.
There are a few statistical areas where KC looks pretty good, too, but are as much a product of scheming to mask weaknesses. For instance, Cassel’s TD:INT is pretty gaudy, but it’s more about risk-averse scheme and training than it is about making tough passes into tight windows under pressure.
There’s a wide divergence of opinion on that Detroit Pride site. You have guys making fools of their opponents by confidently citing statistics and professional articles, and you have guys, who stick to what their eyes tell them is happening on the field. I’d be lumped in the 2nd category.
Doesn’t mean my eyes tell the whole story. I’m always having to run the DVR back, because I watch the ball, and miss a 1-on-1 in the trenches I’m looking to see (or missing the play entirely, because I’m focused on an individual matchup). What happened? Wha’? REWIND.
KC was #1 on the ground last season, but few of us are kidding ourselves about dominant line play. Good line play a lot of the time, and physically overmatched a lot of the time.
But I don’t watch the Lions all that much. I just know that tackle play played a BIG role in Stafford’s apparent fragility.
would of ≠ would've
I just think its dumb luck
Its not like I watch the Lions either, but every QB in the league takes shots like that, damn near every game. You watch Chiefs games and you’ll see it too, even with Cassel’s new quick release he still gets bodied hard from time to time. But if they’re not getting hit, then I don’t know how you can make the claim that they have bad line play. Proof is in the pudding here, they get hit less then damn near every other team in the league, and these stats are from the eye test.
Stafford just happens to land on the bad shoulder again in the same exact way as before. Its just sad, I feel bad for lions fans.
And Stafford wasn’t known as fragile in college either, he never missed a game which makes it even worse.
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Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 30, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing on hits or sacks that stands out, all right.
And they played more people tough last year. Maybe I’m just projecting my prejudices and early observations of their offense.
would of ≠ would've
by RamX21: This is how Gunther built his career: Stacked at DT.
Put an end to any question of who controls the middle, and pick up some garbage turnovers. An offense that can EXECUTE will show them up as a middle-tier team. An offense with inconsistent passing game or immobile QB is in trouble. Big play opportunities off out-of-control D-Linemen, when they get themselves out of position. That’s why he went for dominant DTs. He wants them to attack. But if he can get inside the QB’s head – an issue with Matt Cassel – he can get the better of it. If Cassel keeps his composure, and Haley can keep the “which side of the field is the play side?” question open, they can gouge that secondary.
would of ≠ would've
after the past draft, the "overachieving" chiefs filled major needs with major value.
Only going to get better from here
I think we win in week one thanks to our defense.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I like our chances in this game.
My prediction is that whoever is playing the slot blows it up in this game. Their linebackers aren’t very coverage savvy and the secondary will need to give a lot of attention to the killer B’s
BOOM!
then there's Tomo to take Delmas out of the game.
as far as our offense versus their defense, I think our pass rush is too much for their O line
BOOM!
Quite a few areas for the Chiefs to prosper
We really need a fast start to the season record wise
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
big time.
we’re going to lose a lot of ground in the second half of the season. We need to start fast and hope it’s enough to last til’ playioffs
BOOM!
Planning will be key. KC gets an edge, there.
I don’t think Gunther’s very quick at the adjustments. He usually comes up with something good at halftime, but I think he’s vulnerable to heat-of-battle adjustments. And I’m not too sure about Haley’s heat-of-battle adjustments, either. This might be a wash, unless our likely play-caller and Detroit’s DC show me something different. I’m pretty confident about RAC slowly putting the screws to their offense, with the guys he has (and is likely to have).
I feel pretty good about KC being pretty well-prepared to start the game. Shorter offseason likely gives them an edge.
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Detroit is going to need this game bad
Sept. 11 – at Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1 p.m., FOX)
Sept. 18 – vs. Kansas City Chiefs (1 p.m., CBS)
Sept. 25 – at Minnesota Vikings (1 p.m., FOX)
Oct. 2 – at Dallas Cowboys (1 p.m., FOX)
Oct. 10 – vs. Chicago Bears (8:30 p.m., ESPN)
Oct. 16 – vs. San Francisco 49ers (1 p.m., FOX)
Oct. 23 – vs. Atlanta Falcons (1 p.m., FOX)
Oct. 30 – at Denver Broncos (4:05 p.m., FOX)
Nov. 6 – BYE
Nov. 13 – at Chicago Bears (1 p.m., FOX)
Nov. 20 – vs. Carolina Panthers (1 p.m., FOX)
Nov. 24 (Thanksgiving) – vs. Green Bay Packers (12:30 p.m., FOX)
Dec. 4 – at New Orleans Saints (1 p.m., FOX)
Dec. 11 – vs. Minnesota Vikings (1 p.m., FOX)
Dec. 18 – at Oakland Raiders (4:05 p.m., FOX)
Dec. 24 – vs. San Diego Chargers (4:05 p.m., CBS)
Jan. 1 – at Green Bay Packers (1 p.m., FOX)
Only home game in the 1st month of the season
"Hair cut time.''
They'll beat the Viqueens in a trap game.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
We have Minnesota in week 4 at Arrowhead
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
The start of the Stanzi Era?
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Bledsoe-esque injury?
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 29, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
do the Chiefs win 3 Super Bowls?
I want Cassel to QB for a few more years to see what we got, unless we get Un-Luck-y with our overall #1 draft Pick
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol
Luck may not be out till 2013 if you think about it.
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 29, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe but that is two years worth of Luck that nothing bad happens
even Cats don’t press their Luck like that
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
even as a huge cassel supporter, i know that at some point, we will win a super bowl because something causes our Backup to become our starter
just one of those things that will happen again and its set to happen in KC
Stanzi could easily be that guy
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Ala Mike Livingston in 1969
you have to have a serious backup QB even Today
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
That was cool to see Grigsby!
After a decisive 27-9 win at San Diego (9/14), the club posted a 31-0 shutout at Boston (9/21), but QB Len Dawson sustained a knee injury against the Patriots. The once-optimistic picture for the Chiefs went from bad to worse the following week when backup QB Jacky Lee went down with a broken ankle in a 24-19 loss at Cincinnati (9/28). That injury left the team’s most crucial position in the hands of second-year QB Mike Livingston, who took just five snaps as a rookie in ‘68.3
However, Livingston engineered a five-game winning streak, while getting plenty of help from the club’s defense. The team’s home opener at Municipal Stadium was played in a daylong deluge referred to as a "frog-strangler" by Chiefs radio broadcaster Bill Grigsby. The Chiefs and Oilers combined for 14 fumbles in a 24-0 Kansas City victory (10/12).3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Kansas_City_Chiefs_season
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 29, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Just pass the rock on them
They have no dbs. Moeaki, Bowe, McCluster, and Baldwin should all have a solid game.
The line from last year would have problems.
Cassel’d have to be on the move. There won’t be a pocket. That’ll cut the field in half.
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Good thing we have trees at WR
And a reliable TE/RB.
We might as well run the ball, that line specializes in getting after the QB, but they have no line backers to speak of either.
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 30, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Well 2011 is as good as any other year to revamp that O-line
Albert – Asamoah – Hudson – Lilja – Richardson
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 30, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks good
Tackles that are good at plowing, and an inside that can pull with the best of them.
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 30, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
That's maybe the key, right there.
I expect Gun’s D to be vulnerable to the cut-back. He likes his DTs to pin their ears back, so make ’em chase, and let JCDex start looking for the cut-back after a diet of wing attacks.
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Rodney Hudson
What he brings: Hudson is instinctive and does a good job with angles and technique. He can be counted on to handle his assignment in the running game, but he shows stiffness in the lower half and does not have a strong power base. He does a good job sliding and sustaining as a pass blocker and does a good job sinking his hips against the bull rush.
How he fits: The Chiefs really have some concerns inside on their OL, primarily because they have so much age at OG and C and they need a good, young player to develop. Hudson is an excellent technician who can play C or OG and he is a smart guy who should be able to step right in and play.
"Hair cut time.''
Something I noticed
65 Gandy, Dylan C 6-3 295 29 4 Texas Tech
64 Gerberry, Dan C 6-3 302 25 1 Ball State
51 Raiola, Dominic C 6-1 295 32 10 Nebraska
66 Peterman, Stephen G 6-4 323 29 6 Louisiana State
67 Sims, Rob G 6-3 312 27 5 Ohio State
74 Thomas, Donald G 6-4 310 25 3 Connecticut
76 Backus, Jeff T 6-5 305 33 10 Michigan
77 Cherilus, Gosder T 6-7 325 26 3 Boston College
70 Fox, Jason T 6-7 303 23 R Miami (Fla.)
78 Hilliard, Corey T 6-6 300 26 4 Oklahoma State
71 Ugoh, Tony T 6-5 301 27 4 Arkansas
The Lions O-Line is rather light in the Butt, The Chiefs Guards are bigger than the Lions Offensive Tackles, at least in girth
"Hair cut time.''
I don’t know if Matthew Stafford will have all of his weapon systems charged up yet in Week Two.
I don’t know if Stafford will have recovered from his Week One injury… =)
I kid…seriously though, I like Stafford, and when he was at Georgia I thought he was promising, but he must have stood too close to Croyle at some point – I think Stafford has a long career of 10-12 game seasons ahead of him.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
35-10?
I must say, as a Lions faithful, that it is refreshing to see objective reasoning here on your fanpage. I have tempered expectations and am not willing to say that the rebuilding is complete and can comfortably ride the wave of success that is about to happen with my Lions. I’ve heard it all before, just for that bomb to detonate in my face (0-16).
The interesting thing, as I travel to each one of these pages to get a pulse of what opposing fans are thinking about playing us this season, is that there is a fear of the unknown. There are also the fans that seem to have a lapse in memory as if your team has been some sort of juggernaut recently and should have no issues trampling the lowly Lions.
Take shots at Stafford, the offensive line, the secondary, the lb corps, etc. As of right now, it’s warranted because hey – it’s true right?
I’ll be happy to revisit this thread, after our game, to address the apparent mismatches that are supposedly in YOUR favor, how you “win handily”, “kick our asses” or how your pass rush was too much for the Lions OL.
I am happy with the direction my team is headed, as I’m sure most of you are about your Chiefs. Hell, I like the Chiefs – and applaud the front office for a stellar job thus far. 10-6 is a record to hang your hat on, and apparently enough to start checking wins off before games are played.
Best of luck in the 2011 season. I wish you continued success. A bit of advice though, this will not be a gimme. We are going to give you all that you can handle and I hope that you keep overlooking the Lions because things aren’t going to end up like you are all planning
GO L-I-O-N-S !!!!
by AdamantiumAC on Jun 20, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Adam for your take
Most of us are not expecting a Cakewalk as you surely just read. That was why I phrased the poll question as I did. I thought it interesting the possible comparison between Stafford and Croyle. I was just reading up on the Miami Dolphins QB Chad Henne, he is not thought of in any way as a possible Elite QB but he has 14 wins in 30 attempts, has defeated the NY Jets 3 times out of 4.
As far as the Lions they are heading in the right direction. Week Two might be a little early for everything to be working well together though.
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 20, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Some cool heads have cried BS on my "bad OL in Detroit" rantings,
so maybe it’s just a matter of things coming together. Main thing I know about Detroit is years of Gunther Cunningham. He loves him some interior line, and his defenses live and die by whether those widebodies get it done, or not. Suh is definitely a winner. We’ll see how Fairley does under Cunningham.
But yeah. I’m a guy who feels like their skill players should’ve produced more wins, and so I turn to O-Line in my thinking.
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Reality
Steve, HMills, thank you for takin the time to respond.
I can be realistic, sorry If my comment came off a little sideways.
First – You have every right to be confident in how your team will perform in 2011. Like I said, I like the Chiefs – in the same way I like the Browns and the Bucs. Much like Detroit, the football gods have not been kind to us in recent history – but it seems as though our front offices have finally started to improve our respective situations. “SEEMS”. You and Tampa are obviously turning the corner, I’ll believe it in Motown when I see our record at .500 or better. I long for the day when Indy, NE, Pitt, etc. are off of the media high-horse and the tide changes. I think it would and will be good for football when some fresh teams make up the upper echelon. Ya’ know?
Second – I am not the delusional Lions fan that will scream NFC championship because of a couple good drafts. Recent history tells me that late season winning streaks don’t necessarily translate to following year momentum (Cleveland Browns). The biggest factor Detroit has going right now, besides young talent is continuity. Across the board continuity in coaching staff, scheme and offensive line (disgraceful run blocking, 6th in pass pro).
Our matchup this upcoming season is going to prove to be a difficult task at hand. Your rushing game is elite, you have playmakers at offensive skill positions and your pass rush is extremely underrated. Young teams have everything to prove, and I think our game will be extremely entertaining with no real prediction on the outcome. (Obviously hoping my boys will prevail).
I’m a die hard fanatic, not much for the trash talking – especially on the internet, but I can speak for most Lions fans when I say that there is a different feeling surrounding our team. The “newer” fans are misguided and us “seasoned” vets are a little bit more cautiously optimistic.
All in all, I meant what I said. I hope you guys take the West. I hope you guys return to the playoffs and play well. Hopefully sometime in the near future we can fight for that Lombardi!
GO LIONS!
by AdamantiumAC on Jun 21, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Adam
I am with you on this one. The Chiefs did not fare well last year against teams with dominant D-lineman. (Raiders, Ravens). Cassell got shook up and had horrible games.
I think like many people on AP, we are pulling for the Lions (at least 15 weeks out of the year). They are a football town. I LOOOOVe their line and can’t wait to watch them. I do think you are on the up and up.
I think this could really go either way. Our O-Line may not be able to handle your D-Line, and Cassell has proven that he can be rattled when things don’t go right.
Anyway, I think the Lions are my favorite in the NFC now. I love Gunther’s Defense. We had him in the 90’s as our DC. Anyway I look forward to a great game. I predict a low scoring matchup with maybe a big play by either Calvin Johnson/Leshoure or Bowe/Charles sealing it for one of us. Everyone seems to think the Lions are coming up. I hope so. It’s been forever, and I want competetive football while I am lazing on the recliner on Turkey Day.
Pick 21: OLB Justin Houston
Pick 30: C Rodney Hudson
Pick 86: NT Kenrick Ellis. (Ellis in the 3rd = Taylor in the 1st + 1st round pick).
Problems solved. Please forget about Phil Taylor.
Lukewarm on Gunther.
Give him talent, and he does OK. Just don’t let him pick the players.
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