2011 NFL Draft Grades Vary For Kansas City Chiefs
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There's a lot of talk about character issues
But i think its ok to bring in a young guy who might have a failed drug test or some other issue because he’s not going to be a leader right away. We’ve built a roster of high character leaders(vets and young guys) so these new rookies will have someone to guide them and show them the right way
I may be a smart ass, but at least I'm not a donkey
With leadership infused throughout team we met our needs.
I cannot wait until these young athletes show why Pioli pick them in the first place. Not only did we fill spots, but we picked up outstanding athletes. I believe we have the positive surroundings that these guys will need to succeed with us. I’m loving this year already, provided we get to see these guys play and learn. Chiefs knock on NFL’s door with a vengeance this year. GO CHIEFS……
i agree i think there is enough veteran leadership to whip these guys in shape. Houston failed a test for marijuana and yes i know it is illegal but lets be honest here who the hell hasnt smoked a frickin doobie in their lifetime i guarantee that both pioli and haley have lit up a joint in their younger days i know i have and i turned out alright
People obviously
know nothing about the Chiefs.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
I Agree
I love reading the mock drafts and listening to some of the grades and analysis from the “experts,” and realizing how little they actually know. It’s entertaining lol.
*Pioli is my Idol*
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on May 2, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Till the break of Dawn
It’s gonna be on. Chiefs offense score all day, And Chiefs defense punish all opposing Qb’s….And running backs. All teams we face will need to prepare for us this year. Analysts will be talking about us for some time to come. Who wants to take bets?
This draft can work now... it wouldn't have worked in '09
I think we have the leadership in place and some high-character guys that will help keep things in check. A class like this would have scared the hell out of me in ’09 and maybe ’10 – but with foundation we have in place I feel comfortable with the risks we have taken.
I hate to keep drawing comparisons, but this is how the Patriots work. They have a strong core of leadership and everyone is working toward the same goal – they can afford to take risks here and there with guys, knowing that if they buy into the program they’re going to be fine. Not only that, but they will probably excel and live up to/exceed their potential.
I like being the team that people look at and say – “if anyone can get this most out of this guy, it’s Haley and the Chiefs”.
We draft Houston
who, although he is apparently dumb enough fail a drug test for pot, was, I think, a team captain at Georgia, and that is a big risk.
The Pats draft Mallet, who has more experience with drugs and zero experience as a captain (something some scouts thought was bewildering, given the position he plays so well).
Keep that in mind as you compare how the talking heads evaluate all the teams’ drafts…
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on May 2, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this ^
Scott Pioli for President in 2012. Experience? If the current President doesn't need it, why does Pioli? Besides, Pioli has the blue collar work ethic with a white collar brain. He has humility. He is tough on security. He supports war on Sundays. And he makes sound, fiscally conservative decisions.
by chief Stevie_k on May 2, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Our pass rush and pass offense is greatly improved
This draft upgraded our talent in areas that will help us win games. Our pass offense sucked as did our ability to pressure the QB. The Chiefs will be a better team next year, of that I have no doubt.
Character issues...
If Baldwin = Dez Bryant, I can deal with the issues. If Houston’s drug problems translate into Brian Cushing’s on field performance, again I deal. We’ll see after the season if character issues turn into pro-bowl issues…
I love how.....
just about every team takes guys with “character concerns,” but since the Chiefs don’t draft them all the time they’re making huge deal about it. I’m pretty sure if you look at Pioli’s track record they have always taken some guy’s like that. He even has said himself that last year with the guys they took it was kind of just a coincidence. And the funny thing is that, even though these guys this year have the concerns, a good number of them are still team captains. Plus it’s just like how Pioli supposedly wouldn’t take a safety with the 5th overall pick. He doesn’t have one set way that he drafts and sticks to at all costs. He is going to do whats best for the Chiefs and I believe he has once again done that this year.
1st Round - WR Jonathan Baldwin - Pitt, 2nd - G/C Rodney Hudson - FSU
3a - OLB Justin Houston - Georgia, 3b - DE - Allen Bailey - Miami
4th - CB Jalil Brown - Colorado, 5a - QB Ricky Stanzi - Iowa
5b - OLB Gabe Miller - Oregon State, 6th - NT- Jerrell Powe - Ole Miss
7th - RB Shane Bannon - Yale
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on May 2, 2011 8:57 AM CDT reply actions
I think this was a good draft overall, but there is one pick I didn't love:
That was the round 5b pick of Gabe Miller. He seems to be another project a la Studebaker and Sheffield. That wouldn’t bother me except that D.J. Williams (a versatile H-Back team leader projected as high as round 2-3) went off the board one pick later. Also still out there were LB Quan Sturdivant (projected as high as 2nd round by some), OT DeMarcus Love, and ILB Greg Jones (another projected 2-3rd round guy, and a team leader).
I’m sure they had their reasons, but I feel we passed on some proven talent at positions of need (at least need for depth) for another project at OLB, and we already drafted an OLB.
Again, I really like the draft overall, but that one pick bummed me out a little.
Sturdivant would have been my pick there
it would have helped us address another need with solid value.
Yep, I would have been 100% on board with Sturdivant.
I mention D.J. because I’ve always liked him in college and I think he could play both as a tight end or a fullback, BUT I definitely get that if we had our eye on Bannon, we didn’t need to get 2 of the same type of player (and Bannon is a bigger, stronger guy, so one could assumer a better blocker).
by u2nspenserfan on May 2, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
That maybe someone instead of Miller should have been picked there. I would much rather have upgraded the ILB position there, e.g. Quan Sturdivant. If you look at the roster it’s hard to see them keeping that many OLB’s. I guess maybe Sheffield’s injury could have been more severe or even career threatening than anyone thinks. Or maybe it actually means Vrable might be finished. Who knows!
*Pioli is my Idol*
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on May 2, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
LB Quan Sturdivant (projected as high as 2nd round by some)
but apparently not rated as a 2nd round pick on the Chiefs’ board…
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Yes, I understand that.
It just seems like there were some better values. Obviously the Chiefs had Miller higher and Sturdivant lower. I hope that Miller works out… he just reminds me a lot of the other projects and neither has done much so far (obviously Sheffield hasn’t had a ton of time).
by u2nspenserfan on May 2, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
You can't think of this pick as a pick for the position
Rather than thinking of Gabe Miller as a DE/OLB think of him as a special teamer. The pick makes a little more sense. The guy has a high motor and loves to tackle.
Granted I think it was a little high for him to be drafted but when you think of what we did afterwords, it becomes as a meh pick instead of a WTF pick.
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
It never really was a WTF pick for me...
I just was disappointed because I saw other players that I considered more talented on the board. It stung a little when the next pick was DJ Williams and they couldn’t get the pick in fast enough. Of course, Pioli, Haley and co. probably know a LITTLE more about football than me. :-)
by u2nspenserfan on May 2, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Well Gabe will make a great impact in special teams.
Make no mistake i was wondering about him myself, But this guy has a great motor, tackles good. I think people sleep on this guy truthfully. In special teams i bet he contributes a lot. He does have potential. Not sure exactly well but you should watch more video on this guy and see what i mean.
good point
i agree with everything except the sheffield comment. Cameron sheffield is going to be a very good player in the near future mark my words. The guy has good speed and great tackling ability and if not for the injury in preseason that ruined his rookie year i guarantee he wouldve been very productive and thought of in the same light as eric berry and tony moeaki
hhmmmmm... Three starters and another Four that have a good chance of making two deep.
That is seven players who can contribute next year.
Baldwin will start opposite Bowe.
Hudson will start and excell in interior O-Line.
Houston should start at SOLB and can even spell Hali as Rush LB.
Bailey should see time in rotation as Rookie and just wait til he gets better.
Brown can fill in as Nickel, Dime, and spot as CB or Safety.
Powe will see action in rotation for 2-gap responsibilities.
Bannon may well be that guy to replace both Cox and Castille. or Jake O’Connel and Cody Slate As a FB/HB/TE.
Yeah, Stanzi should not see the field and Gabe Miller is a development project perhaps; However, If you have a draft that looks like it will produce seven (7) major contributors that can only be described as an outstanding, phenominal draft. If we come up with just 4 starters , that would be an A.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
by CatChief on May 2, 2011 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think Hudson plays some and fills in, not starting
Of course this is thinking that Wiegmann will come back for one final year. Give Hudson 1 year to learn from our 3 interior veterans and next year he can do anything/everything. Take a young talented prospect like Hudson and fill him with nuggets of wisdom from Waters, Wiegmann and Lilja = wowza.
by Ochophosphate on May 2, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the draft was about as good as it could have been under the circumstances
I don’t think this class is as deep as it was last year, and add to that we were picking about 15 spots later in each round than we did last year. Houston and Powe were steals. While I would have loved to have gotten Julio Jones, what the Falcons gave up to move up for him…they were fleeced. They could have gotten Fitz for less than they paid for that trade-up. The point is, I think we got a guy who’s a similar talent w/o the benefit of having played for a good team. The only thing I can really complain about is that we didn’t get an OT, but there’s no reason to press the issue if there wasn’t a good one there.
Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.
agreed all around.
Scott Pioli for President in 2012. Experience? If the current President doesn't need it, why does Pioli? Besides, Pioli has the blue collar work ethic with a white collar brain. He has humility. He is tough on security. He supports war on Sundays. And he makes sound, fiscally conservative decisions.
by chief Stevie_k on May 2, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
the problem i do have with at least one of these choices is...
who is going to be the next donald washington? physically imposing with all the talent in the world, buried on the depth chart and treading water on special teams…
Washington was a 4th round pick in a weak draft
Not really surprising that he isn’t lighting up the world.
Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.
and he went to ohio state. they haven't exactly been feeding the nfl much talent as of late
Scott Pioli for President in 2012. Experience? If the current President doesn't need it, why does Pioli? Besides, Pioli has the blue collar work ethic with a white collar brain. He has humility. He is tough on security. He supports war on Sundays. And he makes sound, fiscally conservative decisions.
by chief Stevie_k on May 2, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Washington never really had the chance to make starter.
He played behind Carr and Flowers. Bad example.
Powe, Baldwin, Houston, Bailey – all these guys can truly fight for a starting spot day one.
And Washington had a pretty "meh" college career.
Baldwin, Houston and Powe all had much more impressive careers.
it was a solid but not spectacular draft
We put bodies into spots of major need (WR, NT, OLB, QB, and DE). We only ahve a few spots left that “needed” to be addressed (RT, SILB, and RB). I think we’re looking to re-sign Smith to primarily play NT on passing downs and have Bailey take his place spelling TJax. Bannon could repalce Castille as the HB/FB hybrid player. I think we should go after Tolzien as a UDFA. The biggest downsides are that we really did need an improvement at SILB and we need a backup RB that is better than Battle.
Lots of RBs left after the draft
I think a lot of us were predicting a lot of beef in this draft and thats exactly what we got. Big football players
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 2, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Not that these guys are slow by any means
But last year was all about team speed and this year seemed to be about bulking the team up. Some of these guys are gonna be pretty large for their posisions.
*Pioli is my Idol*
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on May 2, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Last year we got ran over in the middle of our Oline
Well with Asamoah+Hudson that already looks improved.
Cassel does have accuracy issues especially with pressure.. a 6’5’’ jumping WR looks to improve that
NT well everybody knows the deal with 2 gap NTs
Houston will shed some weight but still looks to improve the pass rush and LB core
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 2, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I’m pretty sure Houston just put on some weight for the draft processes. I watched some highlights last night and he defiintely looked like a big fast linebacker to me. I think people will be surprised how quickly he transitions and becomes an impact player in the NFL.
*Pioli is my Idol*
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on May 2, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
He added weight to show he could play 4-3 DE imo
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 2, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
right
which really didn’t make much sense to me since his best season was as a 3-4 OLB, not when he had his hand on the ground.
*Pioli is my Idol*
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on May 2, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Why limit yourself to only 1 scheme when rushing the passer is rushing the passer?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 2, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
True
I actually thought about that after I typed that. I kinda read it wrong. I was thinking “so he could play 4-3 DE,” like he thought that was his best position. Not “show he could play,” as in that he could play both which is what you typed. I got what you meant now. You are correct. Lol my bad.
*Pioli is my Idol*
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on May 2, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
It's all good
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 2, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty poor judgement...one that probably cost him $2m
but it IS just weed.
Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.
I bet it cost him a lot more than 2 million
He was considered a 1st round pick until that happened by many…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
day after the draft? 3 years later? 5 years later? 10 years later? for me...
part of this draft’s success or failure will be measured by 1) if we make the playoffs again and 2) if we actually win a playoff game.
but with all drafts, looking at the future, the draft will be a success or failure determined by how many playoffs and super bowls we make (and win) in the next 5-8 years.
Scott Pioli for President in 2012. Experience? If the current President doesn't need it, why does Pioli? Besides, Pioli has the blue collar work ethic with a white collar brain. He has humility. He is tough on security. He supports war on Sundays. And he makes sound, fiscally conservative decisions.
What else is there to do but talk about the draft?
We are back in the lockout, no new info there although the court did say early next week as a timetable
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 2, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
i didn't say anything about talking about the draft. i'm just talking about the "experts" draft grades and opinions.
all i’m saying is we will know the true success or failure (grades) when these things happen.
and guys sure won’t bust just because Kiper, McShay, Mayock, etc say so.
Scott Pioli for President in 2012. Experience? If the current President doesn't need it, why does Pioli? Besides, Pioli has the blue collar work ethic with a white collar brain. He has humility. He is tough on security. He supports war on Sundays. And he makes sound, fiscally conservative decisions.
by chief Stevie_k on May 2, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Guess I read that wrong
Seems like you were pointing out the fact its right after the draft and we shouldn’t be talking about grading it right now
Which I do agree with, however the ‘experts’ gotta talk about something
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 2, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, they have to talk about something
but they could try to be a bit more objective.
for instance:
yeah, mention a guy’s weaknesses and “character issues,” but research him, and mention all the evidence.
in essence, give a thorough eval. Yeah, this guy could be lazy, a poor teammate, etc, but he could also mature into a man and be highly productive.
and some evaluators have did that.
Joel is the perfect example. He’ll list something, but he’ll also throw in someone else who counters the point. it is like these guys want to paint a player or team in a certain light.
Scott Pioli for President in 2012. Experience? If the current President doesn't need it, why does Pioli? Besides, Pioli has the blue collar work ethic with a white collar brain. He has humility. He is tough on security. He supports war on Sundays. And he makes sound, fiscally conservative decisions.
by chief Stevie_k on May 2, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Well most just go off of last years draft where there were not many character concerns
So this draft is very different and by that logic. Last years worked, this year is different and may not. I honestly do agree that they should take time look at the picks, look how they will be used, then grade them.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 2, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
oh yeah, I get that last year was different as far as character is concerned.
however, they still said Berry was a reach. Moeaki was a risk because of injuries. We didn’t need McCluster….or Arenas. Who is Kendrick Lewis?
blah blah.
If I’m not mistaken, almost all of this years’ picks were team captains, too, were they not?
One thing about it, nobody in a chief uniform gets to have an ego bigger than Haley. And anyway, nobody ever says anything about the Patriots doing the same thing. Hell, they could sign Lawrence Taylor and O.J. Simpson right now (out of prison), and ESPN would love the additions.
Scott Pioli for President in 2012. Experience? If the current President doesn't need it, why does Pioli? Besides, Pioli has the blue collar work ethic with a white collar brain. He has humility. He is tough on security. He supports war on Sundays. And he makes sound, fiscally conservative decisions.
by chief Stevie_k on May 2, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
i have no problem with prognosticators talking about someone's character
i just wish they’d do their own research. they just seem to pick up rumors from somebody else and run with it.
in a way, it’s almost like jr high again:
“becky is such a slut. she’s screwed the whole football team.”
you said it so it must be true. I hate that slut becky.
They should do their own research, like I know Pioli has done. Then if they have issues, fair enough.
Scott Pioli for President in 2012. Experience? If the current President doesn't need it, why does Pioli? Besides, Pioli has the blue collar work ethic with a white collar brain. He has humility. He is tough on security. He supports war on Sundays. And he makes sound, fiscally conservative decisions.
But seriously...
Watch out for Becky, I hear she has Herps.
by Ochophosphate on May 2, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone know what Gosselin graded us?
I generally respect his opinion, but his paper’s website now is behind a paywall. IIRC, he gave the Chiefs an A+ last year, which is totally right in retrospect.
WalterFootball: A-
Not bad for the guy who typically hates on us the most.
I was just about to post that
I like his site unlike many, but the Chiefs hate was a little ridiculous. Seems like maybe he’s come around a bit.
*Pioli is my Idol*
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on May 2, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
He's just happy because Pioli picked a lot of the guys he mocked to us
Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.
It wasn't just him mocking them too us
It may not have been in the right rounds but I had seen Baldwin, Houstin, Hudson, Powe, and Stanzi all mocked to the Chiefs in numerous drafts.
*Pioli is my Idol*
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on May 2, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
The philosophy is a good one
One to two years of drafting or bringing in good-character kids and leaders (Weigmann, Vrabel, all of 2010 draft class). Ones that have been leaders everywhere and will come in, be productive, be leaders, and establish themselves. The next year you have an option to take people that may be a little more of a risk because you have leaders that will help keep them in line and show them how it’s done.
Surround questionable characters with good coaches, good players, and good people and see if they rise up.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Most of the picks this year were still team captains
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 2, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw a couple were but didn't realize most were.
Still a good thing to do. Get a lot of high character players then bring in the occassional screw-up and get the others to keep him in line and playing to his potential.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
I wouldn't say these people that have problems
with the players that have character issues are over blowing it. Pioli himself admitted he was taking a risk drafting Houston and they have to be thinking the same thing with Baldwin
If I recall
Our draft grades weren’t that hot immediately following the draft last year either (except for Gosselin). It was only after the SD game that people started giving our draft big props.
I like the SB Nation take. Even if half these guys bust out (which commonly happens in drafts), if even a few of them fulfill their potential (like say, Powe, Houston and Baldwin) we’ll be sitting very pretty this time next year.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

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