And We've Arrived (A sequel to "So close")
by MNchiefsfan on May 2, 2011 2:36 PM CDT
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PrintBefore the draft I wrote this. Basically, it's a post stating that I believe our defense is somethings special. Needless to say, I was quite thrilled with our draft. It had me saying
Today, I'm going to explain to you why Justin Houston and Jerrell Powe will be more important than any other new Kansas City Chief (with a little Allen Bailey on the side), and why we're not just close anymore.
Here's a disclaimer. I'm not an idiot. Well, ok, I am sometimes. Actually, quite a bit. Now that I think about it, I AM kind of an idiot. Whoa, major life revelation...
Anyways, what were we talking about? Right, the Justin Houston and Jerrell Powe! I'm back with you now. Here's the deal... I'm completely aware that no draft pick is a sure thing, and this whole post is about potential and optimism. However, since that's not nearly as fun to read about when approached that way, I'm going to treat these opinions as something approaching fact. Get over it. Seriously... Please?
Let's get started. I told you all before that we're a NT and SOLB away from being a special, dominant defense. And what, oh what, do we have here?!
As you may imagine, I'm flying hiiiiiigh right now. Figuratively, Arrowdread. Don't get excited. Of course, as always there are those who don't believe. And they've got a point! After all, both of these guys dropped further down in the draft than they should have, and that almost ALWAYS happens for a reason. However, I'm going to break down for you why we're not just close anymore on defense... we're there (personnel-wise, at least). We are ready to have a dominant defense.
Let's start with Justin Houston, shall we? Since we took him and well before, many people have discussed whether or not he could play SOLB in our system because of his perceived inability against the pass. Well, allow me to present just one boring scouting report from the interweb.
His coverage skills are raw, but he shown some promise with his ability to effectively read and react to routes. He does a job of locating the ball and getting himself into position to make a play. He efficiently reads quarterbacks’ eyes and slides in zones with finesse and confidence. Clearly, his forte is rushing the passer, but he has the potential to play the pass as well with some coaching.
Now don't get me wrong, this by no means that the guy is ready for the pro's in coverage. I'm sure it wouldn't take much time to find a scouting report that says the total opposite. Here's my point; it is by no means a consensus that Houston is a pure pass rusher. I've seen him compared to Tamba Hali quite a few times. Allow me to present to you the reasons I believe he has more potential in coverage (and thus as a SOLB) than Hali and many other potential OLBs who are drafted.
1) When comparing the workout numbers for the two, you find that Houston is both faster and quicker than Hali by a wide margin, as evidenced in their 40 yard dash (4.61 vs 4.87) and 3-cone drill (6.95 vs 7.28). That's a significant difference and is very representative how at even a heavier weight than normal (Houston was heavier in his workouts than he played in college so he could appeal to both 3-4 and 4-3 teams), Houston is considerably faster/quicker and thus has a better chance in coverage.
2) The vast majority of guys who are drafted to play OLB in a 3-4 system were exclusively DE's in college. Not so with Justin Houston. He already has a year of experience as an OLB. This tells you two things. First, he has more experience in coverage than almost any other potential 3-4 OLB does. And second, it tells me that Romeo Crennel has seen tape of him dropping back in coverage and liked what he saw. That gives me more confidence than anything else could.
You throw those things together with his elite ability to get after the quarterback, and what you have is our dream at SOLB. A guy who can hold his own in coverage and against the run (I won't even cover that here, suffice it to say you can look for yourself and find plenty of pretty good reports on his ability against the run) but also is a great complementary pass rusher, something we absolutely lacked last year. Now that's what I like to see! Let's move on...
Now for Jerrell Powe. What's that, you say? He fell because he's not very smart? He had a down year? A bad performance at the combine? Guys almost never fall that far unless there's a reason? Well, I'd like to have my publicity manager start off...
That's right, you tell em!
Seriously though, you should be elated and I'll tell you why.
First off, dyslexia. It seems like there's been some confusion here, although a lot of it has been dealt with. Let me make this clear... there are thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people who have dyslexia in varying degrees. When handled correctly (you know, the way an NFL team will) it's not a problem. I've said elsewhere but I'll repeat it here: I know law school professors with multiple doctorates who have dyslexia. Our NT will be able to deal with it.
Second, the "down year". Here's the deal. After being asked to be a block eater and run stuffer in 2009, his coaches had him drop 25-30 pounds and attempted to have him become a gap-shooting style DT. Needless to say, this did not work out. Some here would call that trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. The bottom line for Jerrell Powe is this; the last time he was asked to be what WE need (a 2-down-block-eating-run-stuffing-bad-mother), he was the best in the business at it. Combine numbers can't tell you much about a guy's ability to do those things, but his game tape can.
In essence we picked the best NT available for what we need as a team. I couldn't be happier with that selection, and I won't be a bit surprised if he contributes right away.
There you have it. I said our defense was a good SOLB and NT away from having a shot at "elite", and what do you know, here we are! I'm going to leave you with one final thought about our draft and defense.
Allen Bailey was something of a mystery to many(including me), but let me be the first (well, OK, others have said it too) to say he fills a HUGE role for us. Remember how I mentioned we're in the nickel defense half the time? Well say hello to a man who can push the pocket next to Wallace Gilberry. Now we can feature this lineup when we go into the nickel.
Houston Bailey Gilberry Hali
How good does that make you feel about passing downs next year? I know it makes me smile at the thought of many an opposing QB running for his life. I'm telling you, there is almost no combination of draft picks that would have been more perfect for our defense than Houston, Powe, and Bailey. Life. Is. Good. We have arrived.
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On paper it does sound great
On the field.. we will have to wait to see
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H^2-Hali and Houston
Hence the disclaimer at the beginning
Didn’t I already tell you to get over it? I even said please! :)
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Get over what?
Gosh don’t confuse me
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 2, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just messing with you...
I know that you can never know how it’ll all pan out, and I gave a disclaimer saying so at the beginning, warning you that my view is only an optimistic opinion. Then I very politely asked you to get over it and treat it like fact :)
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Well in no way was I saying you were wrong, there is a lot of improvement that could come out of this draft class.
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 2, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, I hope so
I know there’s a lot of “boom or bust” there, but given how well the vast majority of our picks last year played when called upon (by and large exceeding expectations in all cases but Dex and Sheff, really), I’m optimistic that more will boom than bust.
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If Powe can come in and eat up 2 blocks now and then
Houston can get to the QB(even if its just in the nickel), Hudson gets early playing time, and Baldwin gets his chances.. could be a very good year
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 3, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Man it won't surprise me one bit if Powe is the starter in Week One
he has some technique to learn, but he is the only TRUE zero-tech nose guard on our roster. Crennel’s 3-4 is the most 2-gap heavy defense in the league, and I think Powe’s ability to do that gives him the edge, and he’ll improve the technique as we go.
This is assuming he takes Haley’s conditioning program seriously and works hard with Crennel and Pleasant (once he can…dammit) – I have the feeling he’s the kind of guy who will do both of those things
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he is the only TRUE zero-tech nose guard on our roster.
Very, very true. They need to get him to work. If he’s at all smart he’s finding someone to coach him up as we speak.
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It won't bother me if he is the starter or if he isn't week one
He is the best we have on the roster right now in regards to NT however up until this point we seem to favor a rotation. The rotation has worked well at times and at this point would be the best thing for Powe. If we do bring back Edwards to be in the mix or if Smith is in the rotation that will only benefit Powe. He will not have to be out there all the time, we can slow the game down even more for him. Will he perform the best on the field well we don’t know. He has the talent to be the kog for our defense hopefully he has the drive to keep getting better and has a little nasty in him
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 4, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he'll be fine.
The combo of coaching and job description will allow him to quickly join the rotation and maybe start sooner, rather than later. Even as a “hold your ground and protect yourself at all times” kind of role, like T-Jax in ’09, he ought to be a big help, and be seen as more successful than T-Jax was in his first year at the 5-tech, because holding your ground is the A#1 thing you want from NT. Just being strong and fundamentally sound will be a major help.
With Edwards coming back, or maybe even a FA acquisition, I like what they have. I do expect Pioli to at LEAST bid up the price for the likes of Aubrayo Franklin, in FA. It is a commonly discussed FACT that Denver is planning on adding a FA NT.
would of ≠ would've
NT? Aren't they going back to a 4-3?
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I've wondered that a little
We’ve got the personnel now to switch from a 3-4 to a 4-3 whenever we want, depending on the matchup. Isn’t that just nice?
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Yeah
A 4-3 front of Bailey, Powe, Dorsey, and Hali looks pretty intimidating.
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That's a Crennel defense at heart.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
DOH! They're DEFINITELY looking for D-Line. But YES. Of the 4-3 variety.
My bad, MN. Still, I think they’re needing DT above all.
would of ≠ would've
Because they were fools and drafted Von Miller instead of Dareus
When teams ran all over your ass in 2010 how do you not draft an elite prospect like Dareus who excels at stopping the run?
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Maybe they feel they get more certain impact from an outside pass rusher
than they would get from a DT who may take a while to come into his own. Kinda like the Chiefs passing on Ron Brace and Mt Cody.
would of ≠ would've
Oh, I am sure they feel that way
it’s just dead wrong – they are in a division with the #1 and #2 rushing offenses last season and Tolbert is certainly no slouch. To succeed in this league you need to win your division games, and smart teams build to beat their divisional rivals first.
Yes, a pass rush featuring Dumervil on one side and Von Miller on the other is imposing…but both are liabilities against the run – not the decision I would have made in the current AFC West
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I talked to noontide over at S&B Pride
And we decided it’s an “over” on Denver giving up a thousand yards in the four games they play us and OAK.
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One good thing about that pick
They may really be able to screw with Rivers.
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If Rivers has to throw Miller could become and easy
target while in coverage against Gates
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 5, 2011 5:28 AM CDT up reply actions
True. I was more thinking about 3rd downs
When I believe they plan on getting him on the line.
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I'm sure he will be rushing on 3rd downs
Not sure if he would be in a 3 point stance or 2 point
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 5, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Dex was pretty impressive early when we used him right...
however about midway through the season after he came back from his injury it was like the coaches forgot we had him around. I think we figure something out better this year if he stays healthy. I think we will start to use TJ a little less he really wore down towards the end of last year. I think Tj still plays alot but I think we will mix in a bit more DMC to help keep him fresh longer.
Agree
And Haley has talked about using him out of the backfield more, which I am very much in favor of.
Spell TJ, extra receiving weapon out of the backfield, occasional run… sounds good to me.
And I agree that Dex looked early on to be a big impact guy for us. Especially the game he got hurt against JAC.
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I didn't see the same lateral quicks off that ankle after the injury.
It took him a long time to get back into the lineup, and longer still to get back to 100%, if he ever DID get to 100%.
would of ≠ would've
Well, there was a lot of help from other teams
By passing on them repeatedly.
But I also am a big fan of this draft. 2009 seems like a distant memory…
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If Vrabel could stay on for one more season I would feel a lot better about Houston
I don’t think there is a LB on the roster (with the exception of DJ) that could show Houston how a LB is supposed to cover the pass. I’m sure Romeo could coach him up but there is something to be said for players teaching players.
Besides I want Romeo making Powe his pet project.
This defense is looking pretty scary and I’m pumped to see them in action!
You don't think Studebaker should do the training?
Vrabel then Studebaker then Houston then the next guy
"Hair cut time.''
I think Vrabel will stay
one more year and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him move into coaching in KC
Really. Wow. I'd be totally stunned if he didn't hop the first plane to Boston.
"The 3-4 defense is what the Giants used to play. There was a nose tackle, two defensive ends lined up on the tackles, two outside linebackers and then two [inside linebackers], both covering the guards. One of those linebackers is a fourth rusher. That is the 3-4 — the only 3-4 defense." ~Charlie Weis
It's true, players coaching players is nice
Although I’m afraid if Vrabel comes back they’ll start him again…
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Unless he is on the inside
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 3, 2011 5:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I think moving Vrabel to the inside would be a fantastic move
He’s good against the run and filling the correct gaps, and even though he’s very slow at this point he’s still better than Belcher in coverage.
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I've thrown around the idea of Stude inside with DJ
Most people don’t like it but it does seem like a great fit. Plus with both ILBs being decent in coverage it masks the weaknesses of both Houston and Hali.
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 3, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
I think it’s a decent idea. Although maybe Belcher will be as improved this year as he was from year 1 to year 2… Wouldn’t that be a daisy?
Bonus points for naming that movie quote…
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Belcher showed improvement in terms of being physical and against the run
IMO he didn’t show much improvement in coverage, he did fly to the ball when it was in his area though.
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 3, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm hoping his improvement this year
Could be against the pass. We can dream.
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With all of the LBs we have now I could honestly see every LB position also become
A rotation. Although we would want to try to keep Hali and DJ on the field as much as possible the 3-4 is meant to confuse the offense, how much more confusing would it be to have 4 different linebackers out there or everybody in a completely different position.
I hope we do try out a few more exotic blitz’s this year, although RC isn’t really known for them we definitely have the pieces now to work all kinds of different things in the fold
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 4, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
An interesting thought
You can never have too many defensive contributors. It’s not like basketball where divvying out minutes gets tricky if you’ve got too many good players…
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Yup.
Too many good players is a real problem.
Heh. I’ll reiterate my liking of the Vrabel at ILB in 2011. It’s where I wanted him from the start, because I didn’t think he was a big enough threat as a pass rusher off the edge.
would of ≠ would've
To say "he wasn't a big enough threat"
Implies that he was any kind of threat.
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Nice analogy
And sadly true. Or drowning not being a big enough threat in the Sahara.
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And you my friend get 10 bonus points
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Bonus points - Tombstone... :-)
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Weird that BeijingKCfan’s reply didn’t show on here when I first answered…
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I’ve thrown around the idea of Stude inside with DJ
Most people don’t like it but it does seem like a great fit. Plus with both ILBs being decent in coverage it masks the weaknesses of both Houston and Hali.
I like it, but I think DJ is far above decent in coverage – in my mind he’s one of the best MLB/ILB’s in the league as far as coverage is concerned.
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Well I didn't want to say with one very good cover ILB and another decent ILB
Since at times you could include Belcher into that decent category. We don’t know how Stude or Vrabel would fair on the inside next to DJ or if that would throw DJ off of what worked last year.
Vrabel/DJ
Hali Houston
Dorsey/Powe/Jackson
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 4, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Well the spaces didnt hold up .. but I'm sure you get the idea
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 4, 2011 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I do
I definitely like the idea of throwing Vrabel and Studebaker into the competition against Belcher (especially since that would mean that Houston impressed enough to win the SOLB job from Vrabel)
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I think it's time to say so long to Mike Vrabel. He's just too slow now.
And just a little speed lost at any LB spot, translates to inches away from tackles, which translates into giving up big plays, which can translate into giving up points, which can translate into losing a game, which can translate into losing more games, which can translate into losing the division, which translates into missing the playoffs, which translates into angry fans, which translates into less attendance, which translates into a frustrated Clark Hunt, which translates into higher ticket prices, which translates into more angry fans, which translates into Todd Haley flipping off the fans, which translates into Jack Harry, slamming Todd in the press, which translates into Todd not shaving or combing his hair during press conferences, and we just don’t need that.
Damn it Vrabel….stop stirring up all this shit.
"The 3-4 defense is what the Giants used to play. There was a nose tackle, two defensive ends lined up on the tackles, two outside linebackers and then two [inside linebackers], both covering the guards. One of those linebackers is a fourth rusher. That is the 3-4 — the only 3-4 defense." ~Charlie Weis
by TheK-man on May 3, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Phew. Oh yea. Rec'd MN.
"The 3-4 defense is what the Giants used to play. There was a nose tackle, two defensive ends lined up on the tackles, two outside linebackers and then two [inside linebackers], both covering the guards. One of those linebackers is a fourth rusher. That is the 3-4 — the only 3-4 defense." ~Charlie Weis
Wow
You paint quite a picture K-man.
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"The 3-4 defense is what the Giants used to play. There was a nose tackle, two defensive ends lined up on the tackles, two outside linebackers and then two [inside linebackers], both covering the guards. One of those linebackers is a fourth rusher. That is the 3-4 — the only 3-4 defense." ~Charlie Weis
The clown gif on this page is pretty funny.
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"The 3-4 defense is what the Giants used to play. There was a nose tackle, two defensive ends lined up on the tackles, two outside linebackers and then two [inside linebackers], both covering the guards. One of those linebackers is a fourth rusher. That is the 3-4 — the only 3-4 defense." ~Charlie Weis
... all for the want of a horseshoe nail.
Yeah. I know the schtick.
Anticipation and leadership counts for a lot more at ILB, imo. You can have the best ILBs in the league and still struggle, if your line and perimeter play is sub-par. This defense is still relatively young, even with Vrabel still contributing his century of experience to the number. He’ll be the first to understand (prob’ly already does) what is called for after Suggs Houston brings fear to the strong side of opposing offenses.
Your point about it being a game of inches is well-taken. But that ILB position, especially, measures those inches more often in terms of proper diagnosis and quickness of DECISION, rather than 40 times. A guy who gives a teammate a tip in the huddle that gives a pair of other players (including himself) 10 less yards of field to cover, is faster than any other LB in the league, at that moment.
This is especially true of ILB, where the angles favor the LB, and he just needs to be correct more than he needs to outrun a scat back in space, which is a chimera ANYway for ANY LB big enough to play the position. Getting a few steps trash-free is just what a guy like Vrabel needs to extend a very productive career, while remaining a real asset to the KC D.
I definitely hope the guy comes back. I definitely hope to see him on the field a lot, especially in the first quarter of the season. And finally, I hope the defense gels to the point where they CAN install a younger, quicker player in his place, not long after that 1st quarter. But I think that in the process of working the new ‘tweeners into the lineup, Vrabel will be a real asset. And if they’re successful at bringing along the new talent, Vrabel’s snaps will dwindle.
would of ≠ would've
by hmills110 on May 4, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh. In chess, you play the
… opening like a book;
… middle game like a magician; and,
… endgame like a machine.
There is the opportunity for a graceful transition. Hopefully I get to see that, and they don’t just give him the boot. I want to see the baton passed. I don’t want our rookies having to pick it up off the ground.
would of ≠ would've
yeah I thought watching him on TV was bad, but seeing just how slow he is now in person...
got a great view from the end zone and it looked like everyone else including d/o linemen, were running at a much faster speed.
it was painful seeing a huge hole on that side of the D where he stood zero chance in catching someone
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Rec'd
I’m pretty excited about the way the D is shaping up also.
I really think Bailey could become a QB nightmare with some coaching up.
I like the fact that our team got a little nastier with this draft too. It seems like every draft pick displayed a little attitude on the field this year. As long as that stays on the field I’m cool with that….
2011 Draft Needs:
OL (C/RT), NT, WR, SOLB, depth..........
Big things poppin next year!
Don't you enjoy looking at your sig
And then the guys we drafted? :)
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Yeah
until I changed it half an hour ago!
But wow I’m fired up over this draft.Your analysis of our defense has been spot on. Now with a pass rush (cause we will be bringin it this season), we have the manpower to be respected for our D.
Thinks Pioli must've had some draft coupons or something.....Houston and Powe?! Dang!
by Hail2DaChiefs on May 2, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree
And even if Powe did have some learning disorders, playing a 2 gap NT role doesn’t require a whole lot of brain power. Wide strong body, check. Explosion, check. Unselfish attitude, check. Hard worker, double check. Looks like we have our guy
Yep.
We’re a perfect fit for what he does best, and he’s the perfect type of player for what we need.
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In one of his post-draft press conferences Pioli said it was tough to find a college player that projected as a NT in their (his and Crennel's) system
because very few college DT’s were asked to 2-gap as often as they would want …i.e. nearly every down =)
He said that even WIlfork, who was an elite talent, had to really work to learn the technique that Crennel wanted (and obviously he did)…Powe at least has some experience playing almost every 1st and 2nd down of a game as a 2-gap. Though he’s really going to need to work on his conditioning because Crennel’s system is apparently more 2-gap heavy than most (I don’t see this as a problem – Powe is a hard-working guy who will respond well to Haley’s conditioning program)
Powe’s potential in our particular system (which is obviously our only concern when we draft) represents an IMMENSE value in the 6th round…are you kidding me? I don’t care that they are athletically different, if somehow the Chiefs become the next dynasty and win 3 Super Bowls over the next five or six years then Jerell Powe will be our Vince Wilfork…and we got him IN THE SIXTH ROUND!
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I agree. And as far as conditioning goes, Powe wins there too
since we’re so often in the nickel on passing downs. That means he won’t be asked to play a huge number of snaps. Just a fantastic value given our needs.
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And if our offense decides to suck less
opponents won’t be running as much, which gives Powe even more time to rest =)
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I thought the emphasis was a bit different than you, PVC.
It seemed to me that Pioli was saying that they weren’t ONLY looking for players with 2-gap backgrounds, but that the point was to get good PLAYERS. When he cited Vince Wilfork as a guy who didn’t have that background, it was more about the organization believing they COULD teach those techniques, and that he was the sort of athlete who could learn and perform those techniques at a high level.
That being said, I think you’re hitting all around something I’ve been thinking for a while, and that’s the idea that KC isn’t looking for star power at NT as much as lunchbucket, every down performance. Great individual effort is aimed at a TEAM result, rather than an individual result, and I think that has quite a few teams blinded. Sure, it’s nice to have a NT who can also pursue to the sideline or split the doubleteam to make a sack, but KC was able to take Powe as late as they did because everybody else was looking for cake, while KC was lookin’ for bread ‘n’ butter.
What’s cool is Powe WANTS to take on blockers and allow his teammates to make plays. That’s his game. What’s ironic, to me, is that, if he plays that style, and the defense clicks as a result, his stats will be pretty respectable because they’re coming to him, and he’s keeping his head up, keeping his feet, and always where he should be.
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Edwards didn't provide that evidence for two years?
A rotation of Big Guys is all the Chiefs have wanted at the NT. We probably will not be Signing Franklin either, yet Pioli will try for the right price.
"Hair cut time.''
Yup. With Powe, I think they're getting a guy that almost immediately takes away Toribio's snaps.
That, alone, could be big for the Chiefs.
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I love those 3 picks on defense
But I still love the Hudson pick more than any other. That was the most glaring need for us as we needed a young, talented player in there and we would have been in a bad spot if we ignored it during this draft.
I wanted to wait and see the entire draft before I got too caught up in passing on certain guys (I tried at least) in certain rounds. But it worked out perfectly.
Jalil Brown is the pick I’m most intrigued by going forward because as we decide whether or not to keep Carr and/or Flowers, Brown’s development will be crucial to the futures of our two (current) starting cornerbacks.
Those other guys are pretty good too :) The contract demands of Hali, now with Houston, and Carr/Flowers, Hopefully because of Brown, we gained a little leverage in not being so desperate to keep those guys around. I hope we do but I don’t think all 3 of them will be here in 2 years.
Rec’d MN.
Strategery
by BJ Kissel on May 2, 2011 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks. And I love the Hudson pick as well
I really like the fact that we’re being pro-active in replacing our older guys on the interior before they either retire or start to really suck. I think I’m very confident in the future of our line for the next couple of years at least!
Lilja will need replacing in a few years (I believe he’s 29 or 30), but that’s it for the quite some time. Can you imagine if we can keep Albert, Asamoah, Hudson, and Richardson together for the next half dozen years?
So here’s a question for you… Can Asamoah beat out Waters for LG? Or can Hudson beat out Weigmann if he returns (which I doubt he will, especially after seeing us draft a C so early)?
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I have a better question... who does Asomoah have to beat out? Is Lilja > Waters, or Waters > Lilja?
I think Lilja and Weigmann might both lose their starting jobs.
As much as I hate to say it
Waters and Weigmann might. Perhaps Waters’ decline over last season was just from tiring out, and maybe our offense will be able to score enough that he can get some time off near the ends of games occasionally and all will be fine. But if he picks up where he left off I would start Asomoah and Lilja
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Consequently I think there is a very strong chance our o-line will be the same five guys from 2010
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I think Waters was nicked up, and it takes awhile to heal well enough to perform at
a high standard when age is setting in. As for Asamoah he has to win either position in camp. Depending on the length of the negotiation, Waters could call it quits as he just don’t want to work hard anymore. I am sure that is what Wiegs is thinking. 38 and motivating oneself to be in football condition almost year round takes huge amounts of time and effort.
Wieg's wife?
Do you remember or know who she is? It’s Danni Boatwright, the Chiefs chick that won the Survivor reality show. That’s a lot of inducement to stay in shape year round. LOL
Asomoah is an interior lineman with good quick feet, and movement ability
It’s my belief that he was picked as the guy to take over Water’s spot from the get go.
Typically the guard on the side opposite the QB’s main hand does the majority of the pulling in the run game, and stunts in the pass game.
Waters is that guy for us atm, and has been for years. Asomoah has the feet and the quickness to do that job as well. It’s one of his strengths as an O-Lineman.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Asamoah is a very athletic lineman
What I like about him is he’s also got some power. From what I’ve read about Hudson, he’s similar in that way.
Is it wrong that part of me is hoping Weigmann retires so Hudson can take his place? I love Weigs, but his strength was never that great to begin with, and we sure could use a guy with 15 extra pounds and just as much athleticism up front…
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Weig can diagnose and call the protections like no one we've ever had
at the position. He gets to the second level well also.
That’s what we really missed the year Nils was the starter.
We need Wieg’s brains in Hudson’s body =)
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Absolutely
Although from everything I’ve read about Hudson the guy’s very football savvy. However, there’s just no way he’s got what Weig’s does in that dept…
I’m very torn. I like Weigs and want him back, but Hudson sounds like a guy that can genuinely step in and play from day one. Do we sacrifice the vet savvy in favor of additional power and athleticism?
I just. Don’t. Know.
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Wiegmann? Not Weigmann?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
From NFL.com’s KC roster:
62 Wiegmann, Casey C ACT 6’2" 285 7/20/1973 16 Iowa
And Niswanger has no “L”:
64 Niswanger, Rudy C ACT 6’5" 301 11/9/1982 6 LSU
But like I always say, if you can’t understand what’s going on, at least you can get people on their spellin’.
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Wow
I have been wrong about that for a very, very long time.
OT, I love the fact that our new C is above 300 and NOT 6’5"
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Pouncey's are 6-5
There are a lot of centers that are tall, Rudy just does not have a great grasp of leverage
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 5, 2011 5:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Big Jon started the Buffalo game last year
and JC had his biggest day, 177. He was crushing dudes out there. He played RG in college, if anything Lilja might be in a fight for his job
Wasn't Lilja a LG in IND? And a darn good one?
RG and LG are much more interchangeable than RT and LT from my understanding. If Asamoah plays well enough to demand a starting job, it could come down to Lilja vs Waters at LG…
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And Lilja's already the best puller, imo.
Better feet, too. Could be a big help to Albert against speed rushers trying to take the inside angle on the changeup. Love me some Wiegs, but Hudson would probably do more to free Lilja (or Waters) to pay more attention to the left side.
Didn’t Lilja play LG in Indy?
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nice post
I love the draft as well… it’s rare that the picks allign with the needs as perfectly as I think they did this year.
I am excited to see the upgrades in the pass rush and the passing offense.
I wasn’t a huge Houston fan pre-draft… but I think he was amazing value in the 3rd. I hope he’s stout enough vs the run….
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
Me too. I've read conflicting reports on his run D
The only consensus I can find is that he’s got really long arms to hold blockers off when he wants to. So we’ll see. If he can even just hold his own he’ll be fine, being on Dorsey’s side…
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well, he will hopefully be on Jackson's side
Hali is on Dorsey’s side
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
My expectation is that Houston will dispute and disrupt the run on the OPPONENT's side of the line of scrimmage.
I think a big chunk of the run D we get from him will be an offshoot of penetration and power, disrupting the play at its inception, more than just staying home ‘most all day and honoring his gaps. There’s something to be said for that, but it’ll make a big difference for KC’s fortunes with a guy who forces the offense to REACT. It’s higher risk, and he’s likely to run himself out of a few plays, in the early going.
I’d love to see Bailey come in at 265 and take turns in Houston’s and Hali’s spots. He’ll be a whole ‘nother level of threat, in certain situations. Both Houston and Bailey are likely to take more direct paths to the QB. Hali will take it wide all day and maybe get one or two big plays off the inside angle, but it’s not an angle he can just TAKE at the drop of a hat, the way I think Houston and Bailey will be able to do.
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Bailey is definitely a wild card
Although if he drops down as far as 265 I’m not sure how much use he’d be pushing the pocket from the interior in the nickel, which is what I’d really like to see from him.
I’ve done a little more research on the guy, and he is an absolute freak of nature. And not just a “workout warrior” freak either. The guy is a monster.
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Yeah
at 265 he’d be as fast as DJ…can you imagine that? Hell, if he and Houston both live up to potential and play around 265 lbs. I could see the Chiefs trading Hali.
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It won't be about "pushing the pocket," with Bailey @ tackle in the nickel.
It will be about pressuring/sacking the QB by splitting defenders. IMO, it’s a totally different deal, when Bailey or Gilberry are lined up at DT.
It was said, above, that Bailey and Houston both at 265 (fairly arbitrary number – let’s just say with Bailey closer to 260 than to 300) would mean Hali would be expendable. I’d disagree. Having a trio of 270-ish “LBs” gives you some flexibility to do some scarey things with 2 (or 3) down linemen that incorporates all 3 big ’backers into the lineup. And in “vanilla,” you have a 3rd big ’backer ready to come in and give you an awesome rotation that allows you to stick to certain themes that were only glimpsed in 2010.
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It sounds great
but if Bailey, Houston, and Hali are all starting caliber 3-4 OLB’s, will we be able to afford them? I think we would, but it’s something to keep in mind, especially if Houston and Bailey each contribute 5ish sacks this season
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Agree. I'm having a tough time pigeonholing Bailey, but after today's discussions,
I’m leaning toward his being a situational pass rusher who’s trying to crack the DE rotation. At 288, maybe he’d’ve been a true 300-pounder in an earlier time. But he’s CUT at 288. You don’t see a whole lotta that…
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That's why I said "push the pocket"
The guy is a monster.
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Me too. Gilberry beats blocks
I think we’re on the same page here, but I’m not sure. Just finished off my college career with a massive final on comparative criminal justice, so I’m a little fried.
But I’m done. So it’s all good.
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congrats.....but that wasn't a complement....we don't do that around here
"Maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on through the lyrics that you hear in our songs"
No. That'd be like a circle jerk.
I GAVE my last final yesterday at noon, and took today off.
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Nice
Let me fill you in on a little secret… comparative criminal justice? Even MORE boring and pointless than it sounds. Here, I’ll tell you everything I learned in that text.
The UN is awesome and the US is alone in our failure to compromise on our beliefs and sign their conventions, which is the source of all our problems.
The End.
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Sounds like the lock-step politics you see in academe, for the most part.
And when that’s the culture, it’s hard for you to imagine anyone with a brain thinking any different.
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Yep
I offered the opinion that perhaps we’re wise not to allow members of other nations to dictate law here in America, and was instantly eviscerated by about 5 other students and the teacher. Good times :)
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As imperfect as we are, the notion that someone not of our beliefs
is going to respect our rights any better than we do, ourselves, does seem kind of foolish. All you have to do to get along is go with the “high ideals” as they are spun, without regard to history and human nature. You’ll be fine.
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Haha thanks
I’ll keep that in mind.
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There's worse things you can say about somebody than
that they have high ideals.
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Although I really, really enjoy it to be honest
It’s fantastic shredding the arguments of young adults as they try to invoke the garbage they’ve been spoon-fed by an overly liberal education system.
I made a couple of girls cry last year because I argued successfully that children are not, in fact, inherently good.
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I don't win many arguments, myself.
And to be honest, sometimes the beaurocracy does its job, the way it was designed to do.
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Yes it does
Even a stopped clock… nevermind :)
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Teach Math right?
I took a class in college….Causal and Statistical Reasoning….you in that realm of teachermenship?
"Maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on through the lyrics that you hear in our songs"
I've taught stats, before.
The Central Limit Theorem is my favorite. The basis of virtually all inferential stats. But I always get the feeling somebody’s lying to me when they start spouting confidence intervals and p-values.
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Ouch
not a fan of the sciences? =)
As a biologist I’d have nothin’ without p-values
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Actually, I've a BS in geology.
I’m just suspicious of people who really do NOT have anything, and then use stats to pretend they do. Not pointing a finger, or anything.
I’ve seen a LOT of statistics thrown around, especially in education, where this year, we all have to teach things this way and 5 years from now, we have to forget all that stupid stuff and teach things that way, because the “research” and the “statistics” show it, when the best result would be to ignore the ed research clowns and just work on your craft, as you see fit. Nobody but us old dogs in the trenches really see the latest greatest for what it is: nonsense.
I keep coming back to the best teaching being about the student deciding they want to learn, and then just gettin’ the hell outta their way. Some guys have a knack for inspiring the desire for learning, but it’s a knack, and not something you’re going to pick up from ed. research, which is all about statistics and surveys that students consider a joke, or worse yet, aren’t really qualified to weigh in on, because of where they are at in the mental maturity category.
Some of us have a knack for putting ideas into words that click in students’ heads in a way that they can use and remember. Some of us can show students how to practice on their own, but it still comes back to the student deciding to make themselves a better person, and spend hours each day in that uncomfortable space between knowing there’s something new here to figure out and actually figuring it out and OWNING it.
Depends on what stats are being used for. Some stats are meaningful. Some stats are based on garbage data. But all of stats flows from our inability to construct straightforward, deterministic models that describe phenomena we can’t otherwise get any handle on. And I just hate when folks think that stats magically gives them a handle on things, when they haven’t even figured out what all the variables are…
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I wonder if Crennel and Haley
get the same sense of victory when their “Students” get it !
"Hair cut time.''
It's probably much the same.
It’s a bit ironic, though, that the stakes are considered higher for the game than for building better minds.
The older I get, the more I love that “get it” moment as a thing of beauty in itself, and not something for which I congratulate myself. And it’s always cool to have students come up to you at the end of the semester and say nice things (right before their final grade is due, of course). You can’t put too much into that, or take much credit. There will always be students who really respond to your style, and maybe just as many that can’t stomach your sorry ass. You can pat yourself on the back after a few compliments, even if you’re pissing off 2/3 of the class unnecessarily, and you’re just too intimidating for anybody to call you out. Heh.
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Heh. One of the best professors I ever had did very similar to that.
I keep coming back to the best teaching being about the student deciding they want to learn, and then just gettin’ the hell outta their way.
He was a psych professor back when my first major was Psych. Took 5 classes from him, IIRC. In fact, I would only choose the version of the subject and class he was teaching after my first experience it him in general ed psyche 101 stuff.
Anyway, his method was damn near totally polar opposite to the formulaic automatons. He gave us 13 modules of “area of study” consisting of 12 questions each that were essentially open book essay questions. You had type or hand write(this was back in the Stone Age before laptops, smartphones, inkjet printers)the entire answers to each segment of the questions.
You didn’t have to show up to class if you didn’t want; you could dictate your own pace, but he’d be in class to help with problems if you needed/wanted – hell, he’d carry on entire discussions about psychology if you wanted to, lol; and your grade was based upon how many modules you completed – all13 was an A, 11-12 was a B, ect.
His theory was he was there to teach you what you were supposed to learn, and master that info. Not punish you for what didn’t learn by testing. And, man, the more you progressed through his sophomore and junior level classes, the more you had to write from more, upon more independent sources from the library, books(not the assigned class textbook(s) either, heh), professional journals, ect. The couple of junior level classes I took from him did have him conducting … again, more group class discussions with him, than lectures, one to two times a week out of three. Discussions about the more advanced concepts and subject matter contained within the modules. Man, I bet I wrote a 150 pages of material on those 13 modules from a dozen different sources in his last junior level class I had with him.
But I damn sure learned the stuff, and a lot of it I’ve retained to memory even 19 years later. Almost all my other gen. ed. classes that I just crammed for to commit to short-term memory to pass the tests I’ve forgotten about month after the test, heh. And I didn’t retain much from the silly research papers from those classes either. The first two easiest classes I took I hammered out in about a month and six-weeks respectively. Then I was free to concentrate on all the others with the mainstream method of piling on the two tests, a research paper, a term paper and the final all due in the last month it seems, heh.
The best in-class, in building classes and prof I ever had. I wish they could all do it that way … where the subject matter allows that kind of method at least.
by LocoLoboChico on May 6, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahhaha! I still remember very hazily now
the first day in the last course I took from him. He took the two assigned class textbooks and symbolically threw them in the trash. Then announced they were out-dated products of rote memorization, mindless group-think, and obfuscation of free-association and discussion learning. Yeah. I’m sure I’m paraphrasing some here, but its pretty close, lol.
by LocoLoboChico on May 6, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, if you approach all your learning from a
“wanting to understand” point of view, you end up doing a lot of that writing, anyway. If you take ownership, tests are nothing. That’s the thing that gripes me about the debate over standardized testing.
The thing I like about standardized testing in my discipline is I know I can work with a kid who can do certain things with paper and pencil. I can lay ideas on top of those basic skills like a master brick-layer, but if any of those basic skills aren’t there, I end up having to explain (again) how to solve a quadratic equation every time one comes up in the context of something actually new that I want to talk about. If that quadratic equation is stumping a student, then the new stuff is wasted on him. Sure, he gets the idea, but he can’t do a thing with it.
And that’s the watering-down that takes place in ed. Some watering-down is inevitable, by the nature of expanding knowledge, but there’s a little too much “mile wide and an inch deep” learning taking place. English teachers who don’t care about spelling or grammar as long as the content is good. Math teachers who don’t care about writing sentences or logical mathematical progressions, as long as they sort of get it and get the right number most of the time, even if they can’t explain what they did.
Folks who can’t explain themselves typically don’t really know what they’re doing. :o)
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Those confidence intervals and p-values...etc...
had me leave the class. I got better test scores by going on test-days only. Everything else just confused me to no end.
My least-favorite class of all-time so I thought I’d ask the prof.
"Maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on through the lyrics that you hear in our songs"
I understand.
Talking about an average as just one of a family of averages, in order to decide whether this particular data set is extraordinary or just a fairly likely fluke.
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ughh....that's it
understanding causation through numbers and values.
"Maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on through the lyrics that you hear in our songs"
The ones who spout the most statistics at me are the ones who seem to
- have the weakest hold on all the factors involved
- are the most confident in their conclusions.
The only redeeming feature of such tools is they’re the best tools we have in questions that are too big for us.
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Studies show that 90% of statistics
Are made up on the spot.
Or was it 80%?
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It was 32.451845%
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 6, 2011 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
And can be cherry-picked,
manipulated and misrepresented to prove any damn thing you want. But, because I’m too damn dumb to learn the math(let alone anything else) involved, I put off the statistics courses involved in my majors for as long as possible. Then I had to drop the one l was forced to take for wildlife management. Any form of math, statistics, analysis, ect made me realize I was too stupid to complete college. Oh well … C’est la vie …
by LocoLoboChico on May 6, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you
Statistics beat the crap out of me.
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When I teach that stuff I always say "Draw the picture."
Students always drag their feet on that front, even though I draw the same picture and variations on it over and over every time I do one. They say they don’t need to draw pictures and then they get it wrong ever’ time.
A lot of that stuff, the only way SOME people get through it is by having a guy like me lead them by the nose through it, with day-to-day expectations, and lotsa grading. SOME people just need to take that book, and learn it from cover to cover. Don’t worry about finishing 3 sections in a week. Just set aside time to work on it, and never forge ahead until you understand everything that went befoe. Get into that routine, and after a month or so, you’re covering quite a bit of material every time you sit down.
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Are you talking about a math book?
And drawing pics of what in math? Geometry and Trig? Okay, the only remedial course I had to take starting out was intermediate algebra. Never took an algebra class in highschool. Started out really slow and low. But, by the end, got it up to a B. Went on to try college algebra the next year. Well, for me, that was a herculean jump. Some vast gulf, or cloud-shrouded mountain ridge. I totally bombed, was struggling to make a D, and dropped it. Of course, me being me, I won’t ask anybody for help with anything, damn near. So its not like I ever hired a tutor, nor even tried to bitch and whine to the instructor about it. They don’t have time for that anyway. Too many students, even if they truly wanted to help. Just not me to ask for help. “Learn it myself or I drown,” is my motto.
Well, I managed to maneuver out of Stats/Analysis classes for my psyche major before I dropped out. Then when I went back for a Wildlife Management major, I finally was forced to take college algebra. If it wasn’t for my g/f at the time helping me a bit, I would’ve drowned again. Still ended up with C, which was the first C I’d ever received to that date. I was suicidal at seeing that. Only A’s and B’s get you into a masters program in wildlife biology.
Then had to drop the chemistry course for that major because I couldn’t really handle the math part. The I was kinda forced into the Stats/Analysis class for Wildlife Management, which really blew me away. Granted, I wasn’t flunking out of those classes … I was barely maintaining a C half way through. But ending up with C’s will ruin your GPA, and bad scores in math on your GRE will destroy any hope of getting into a Masters Program in Wildlife Biology. At least at Humboldt State?
I just have some kinda learning disability …. or something …. when it comes to math … from college algebra on. I’d need a lot of help, or something, to lead me by the hand. That’s just not acceptable to me.
What do you do when you can’t ever really master math at the basic college algebra level? Let alone anything more complex? I’m just screwed, that’s what, lol.
by LocoLoboChico on May 8, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe you just need to go slower than the
one-size-fits-all approach. That was what I was talking about with the sit down with a book and go thru at your own pace. Don’t move on to lesson #3 before lesson #2 is mastered. There’s zero patience for that in a college course. They allot a fixed amt of time for something and then move on. Tends to get a mile wide and an inch deep.
Could be that you’d need to take the new skill and find good applications to chew on and fit the new skill into a real life context, where the objects you’re manipulating on a symbolic level are tied to something concrete. Instead of just predicting population growth as a number, maybe you’re breeding rabbits and the problem is how many cages you need to buy to house them all. Just adding something stupid like that on top can take some students (who think like you do, maybe) to a deeper level of understanding.
The think is, if you NEVER proceed until you learn the previous lesson, your chances on the new lesson are greatly enhanced. Before long, you’d likely start flying through the material, because, for once in your life, you sat down and made sure the foundation was SOLID before erecting a skyscraper on top of it.
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Im exactly the opposite of you Loco
I took jr. high math in grade school, high school math in jr. high, and college math courses in high school for college credit.
My first degree pans was software engineering (which was 2 credits shy of a degree in math)…
….BUT… I couldn’t (and sometimes still can’t) diagram a sentence to save my life. Spelling makes no sense to me. Languages are living breathing things..that don’t follow any rules. (Every rule in the English language is broken so often that their are rules about when the rules are broken)….
But I did tutor a lot of people in my lifetime in math. As a general rule I have found that most people don’t have a problem DOING the actual calculations. Rather, those that are struggling in various math courses (be it Algebra, Calculus, Physics, or Quantum Theory) are struggling because they cannot conceptualize the problem they are trying to solve.
As silly as it may make you feel… drawing EVERYTHING out usually helps. And as hmills suggests, FIND a way to apply the math skill you are trying to learn to you personally.
When you are trying to buy the right length ladder to sneak your lover out of her 3rd story window without waking up her parents…. It gets a lot easier to find the length of the hypotenuse of the right triangle created by her driveway and the wall leading up to her window.
Forget the numbers and letters (as the case may be).. FIRST .. make sure you have a firm understanding of exactly what it is you are trying to accomplish with a given problem (formula). SECOND … make it apply to your life in a way where getting the answer is important … Only then do you worry about the actual calculations and steps to solving the problem.
Side Note: I changed degrees as a Sr. in college when I realized that I could not sit in front of a computer for 10 hours a day for the rest of my life to solve everyone else’s problems.
I’d had a taste of being self employed…and I really liked it =)
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by Texas Chief on May 11, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I am glad I came back for that :)
Kudos Tex
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 13, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
now if I can just figure out how to spell
… and what a " ; " is for….
and why all sentences can’t just be seperated by “…..”
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Well, Tex ... thank you for the thoughtful reply
Umm … Yeah, I can draw a diagram to solve a problem. I can build some stuff. I can figure out how much I need for what to accomplish whatever. I’ll figure it out somehow, using and going through some long, convoluted way. I could write out how I figured it out. I can barely do fractions and decimals, lol. Umm … I’ve learned the formulas I have to use for work(which aren’t very complex in any way, but still they are algebraic in nature)through just enough practice and committing them to memory thru rote memorization.
Also, I did the same thing with whatever specific mathematical equations I had to learn in my lab classes for my more advanced major classes … and in my internships. But I COULD take them home and learn them on my own time using rote memorization. I think that’s how I covered up my general(lacking the foundation) math deficiencies – eventually – in my lab classes, advanced major courses, and internships.
However, if I was to go back to college to complete my degree, I would be stuck in the same Catch 22. My dogs could learn algebra, calculus. trig ect. faster than me. I could learn it on my own at home … given enough time. But the catch is – for a college class, I’d have to learn it at their pace. You can’t learn it at “your” pace. So what … master college algebra and calculus at home, and hope I remember enough of it, before enrolling in the classes to get the actual credits? lol.
Yeah, I’ve done a lot of self-learning on my own through reading books, independent research and just throwing myself out of the airplane without a parachute. Learn by trial and error, and pay the price of my errors.
Like you, I would love to work for myself. I’ve tried it a little a couple of times. But, it’d have to be something I can do on my own, mostly. Not only is loco a totally, utterly depraved crazy wolf boy, he’s also mui, mui much a lone wolf boy to boot.
I love taking care of, training and raising animals – well, mammals, fish and birds; no reptiles nor insects for me, thank you … although I can trap and handle snakes when I have to. I love studying them, photographing them and writing about them. Love working with them.
Well … thanks for the reply, Tex. :+) I could keep up my sillly blatherings until hell freezes over, and go on from there … blah, blah, blah … heh
Midgets don't do 69. They do 34.5!
by LocoLoboChico on May 14, 2011 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions
A lot of rote memory in there.
I think if you started from scratch and learned the ideas, you’d learn pretty fast. But having to memorize a bunch of stuff, instead of learning a few principles and applying them makes math really really hard.
And if you do learn the stuff at your own pace, then you won’t forget it. In fact, you’ll own it better than most who get pushed through by a professor on a set schedule.
would of ≠ would've
Heh.Mills
I know you’re a quadrillion times smarter and more educated than I am. However … (as I promise I won’t include any more ramblings about my personal life. But that’s how I work – I relate and apply things from some personal experiences. As opposed to just theories from education, or looking up everything on the net thru googling. I operate on the principle that all that I truly know is what I’ve done, or experienced) … learning the stuff at my own pace will be diametrically opposed to being pushed thru at the professor’s pace.
Firstly, if I go back to college(for hypothetical example), I’ll be FORCED to learn anything beyond college algebra at THEIR pace. Secondly, I had problems learning – at their pace – intermediate algebra and college algebra(and Chemistry 1 and 2) from the get go. It seems to me to similarly parallel problems dyslexics have learning to read. Anything above fractions and decimals, and my learning curve is very slow. So, yeah, I tried to make up for it by A LOT of rote memorization. And lastly, I won’t ask anybody for any help with hardly anything, even under threat of failure and death. The way I was raised – to ASK for help with anything was to betray weaknesses. So I never asked for help, or sought help from anybody with math.
So, anyway, my PROBLEM would be learning anything above college algebra from there on, if I went back to college. Not getting some books and learning at my own pace. I could probably do that, given a lot of time and work. But that doesn’t help me excelling in courses I’d have to take, or retake, at a different college. Except for maybe relearning or refreshing my big-time C failure in college algebra after this long.
Just as I wrote about that psyche professor, you could work at your own pace, within the constrained time frame of a semester. And writing everything REALLY helped me learn and retain it. Just as doing things out in the field in my internships really helped me learn and retain it. But, that’s all the language and kind of art part of my major, and job.
Heh. Despite our vast disagreements and vast differences in personality, I’m sure your trying to help. But I’m failing to communicate something somewhere, somehow. Of course, I’ve seem to have problems communicating with most people about anything for very long. So … its time to quit the diatribes on here, and spend a lot more time with my critters and woods. My critters have been getting the short-shrift since my blog addictions begun on here, and a couple of other ones.
Sincerely, thank you for the helpful comments, and/or trying-to- encourge comments? lol. Bon Nuit and Au Revoir.
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by LocoLoboChico on May 16, 2011 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Lifelong learning is where it's at.
The one thing I don’t want to lose is curiosity, and the most valuable skill I have is the ability to teach myself anything I need to learn. It’s not because I’m smarter than you, but because I’ve made the connection between where I am and where I want to get, and I have a strong sense of what will make me better at whatEVER it is I’m trying for.
That said, there comes a time in your life when you have to admit that you can’t be the smartest lawyer/engineer/mathematician/composer/musical-performer/artist in the world, and you decide what things are most worth your time. You have a good handle on what works for you and your OWN sense of what taking classes entails for YOU.
I can ace just about any class I choose to take, at this point, but I also understand what goes into racing/trudging through the material at someone else’s pace. If there’s something I want to learn, I’ll get the books and figure it out for myself, and probably own the knowledge better than someone being dragged through an undergraduate class.
Sorry to go on about learning, but end-of-semester is when ALL of us teachers and students get religion, and I engage in a lot of free-writing this time of year, to be a better teacher next go-round. You want to get those ideas down in writing while they’re fresh in your mind, and have them handy as you use the summer to cook up new tortures methods in teaching. It’s the perfect job, because it’s something NEW every year, getting better than the year before…
would of ≠ would've
You're absolutely right (smacks forehead)
I knew that too, I swear!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Although if Kalo can be believed, T-Jax has come a long ways against the run as well
So hopefully he can provide a little protection for Houston.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
T-Jax is set for his break out year
Now, DE’s in a 3-4 don’t get much attention… because they aren’t asked to do anything that fills the stat sheet on Sunday… But, he improved a lot over the course of the season last year. I think he’s much more ready to step into the role of a starter than he was.
Although, with all the LB’s and DE’s we drafted… I have to believe that Romeo is planning on incorporating some complex D packages, and blitz packages that will involve rotating the guys in and out dependent on down and distance situations.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
I agree with you on the D packages
And also on T-Jax. Part of the defense I’m most excited to see is who we line up on obvious passing downs. I keep thinking Houston, Bailey, Gilberry, Hali. But Dorsey can beat guys one on one pretty well…
I just hope Houston is even half the pass rusher he’s made out to be. Could really help our D rise from “ok, pretty decent”, to “very good”.
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Dorsey's the one I have secret reservations about.
I’m not sure which petal on the love-me-not we’re on, right now. I saw him get swallowed up (and Shaun Smith, too) on passing downs, which resulted in some plays that made the secondary look weaker than they really were.
would of ≠ would've
So did we need Jackson to get up to speed
Before we added a young NT and SOLB to the mix?
I can see a pivot point (focal point) of the strongside rotating around Jackson if he is ready to dominate 2 gaps in 2011.
As to Dorsey I think the NT spot really hurt him in doing his job. If we can just leave the A gaps to the NT instead of pinching down, Dorsey can worry about his own B and C gaps more
"Hair cut time.''
Maybe it was a matter of doing what they could when they could.
A very safe 3-4 pick for the future, who could also start from Day 1, likely in the belief that the score or more of DTs Gunther left them would turn up what they needed at the nose. Meanwhile, they had an entire roster to re-work, across the board.
It sucked not seeing THE REAL DEAL come in and deliver us from evil. One reason I could see for patience on aggressive action on the NT front is wanting a surrounding D that rewards solid play with a return to the sidelines and a well-earned rest. It’s not so much Edwards wearing down during the season as of his wearing down during each game.
would of ≠ would've
It was definitely the very safe pick
at the time, NO ONE on our roster looked like a 3-4 defensive lineman
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Jackson came INTO 2010 playing like a beast.
He WAS the starter. If he can play for 19 games as well as he played those first 3 quarters against San Diego, I’ll be well pleased. He made progress after his return from the knee injury, but he was only scratching the surface of that Game 1 performance, imo. Especially in the last few games, it looked like there was a lot more PUSH from LDE when Jackson came on the field in relief of Shaun Smith. But he was still a reliever, until the final whistle against Baltimore.
Crennel might be a season away, with this year’s rookies, from really getting complicated, but I can see a lot of potential there, Texas Chiefs. In the short term, I think the “complexity” might be more apparent than real, because of the different things they will be able to do without swapping out players. Small tweaks that confound offenses, but that keep the job descriptions relatively straightforward for the new guys. Come playoff time, though, I’m hoping that it eventuates just like you’re sayin’.
would of ≠ would've
Heh-heh
He WAS the starter. If he can play for 19 games
I see what you did there ;-)
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it’s rare that the picks allign with the needs as perfectly as I think they did this year.
I was surprised that Pioli basically said that same thing during a press conference – he spoke for a few minutes about how it was interesting that they were able to fill their positions of great need (the “musts”) with guys who were in the BPA groups at each pick…
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This players remind me of the games we lost...
Houston and Powe remind me that Raiders could run on us and now it may be more difficult. Baldwin immediately reminds me of our poor offensive performance vs Balt without a #2 wr. And Hudson reminds me that we will be playing Pittsburg, Ne and GB this yr so hopefully he’s ready to help out. J Brown reminds me that nobody on our team could cover Heap and maybe he will be able to do that.
I think holding the draft BEFORE free agency was a homerun for many teams as they were forced to draft positions of need. We drafted every poistion of need (wr, c, olb, nt, backup qb and extra db). I couldnt be happier.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
Yep
Now if we can land a FA WR, or perhaps an ILB to upgrade on Belcher, or maybe even a NT to replace Big Ron in our rotation…
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those are all "nice to have's"
this will be a good team, better than last season, without any of those upgrades
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
Agreed
Even if we don’t sign another tams’s FA we will be a tough team next year.
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I agree
When you combine this draft with the improvement of our in-house youngsters, it’s exciting.
I’m particularly excited to see a 2nd year Berry and a healthy, 2nd year Kendrick Lews as our safety tandem.
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By the end of 2011 Eric Berry will be the best safety in the league
mark it down
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Whoo boy...
If he can even approach Troy P I’ll be happy, let alone equal or pass him.
Not saying he can’t do it (his improvement even over the course of last year was almost frightening), but Troy P is IMO the best all around safety that’s ever lived.
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If Troy could stay on the field that is
Hopefully Berry can keep the injuries away even if it means not go for the big hits all the time
We all see what an elite safety can do for a defense(Troy/Reed) we also see what happens when those guys go down
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 4, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand it is a lofty claim
but the Eric Berry we saw in 2010 was a guy learning the ropes in the NFL – in 2011 or 2012 when the game finally slows down for him, I can’t even imagine how good he might be.
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Yeah
After doing that post where I got to watch his progress one game after another, all in a row, I don’t doubt he can get there.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
After his rookie season
I can’t wait to see the jump he makes from year 2 to year 3 – the league may force us to play with 10 guys on defense =)
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Those guys do fascinating work
A panel of ESPN analysts put him at 5th…
Seriously, how often does a guy come in and get talk of being a top 5 player after a year? And remember after the first few games when many were willing to write him off because he “sucked against the pass”?
Good stuff…
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Gave up the TD to Gates on MNF and people were worried...hmph.
"Maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on through the lyrics that you hear in our songs"
I'll admit, he looked bad early in coverage. It was actually 2 TDs that game
Then another in Cleveland. But some acted as though this meant he was doomed to be a liability in coverage forever. Half a season later, he had already developed into a stud in coverage.
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He got his degree early and he did look bad on quite a few plays early on
But anyone who thought it would be a seamless transition would be wrong. “The other guy is on scholarship too”.
"Maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on through the lyrics that you hear in our songs"
Yep...
By the end of the season (and in the BAL game) he looked like another corner out there in coverage. Phenomenal speed, quickness, and timing.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
We should extend his contract right now
Give him the Tulo/Braun type deal.
"Maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on through the lyrics that you hear in our songs"
I love watching Berry in man coverage in the endzone.
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i've said it before
but here it is again.
if you watch that play pre-snap you’ll notice jon mc-friggin-graw telling berry to come up from the spot he wanted to play from…. i swear on anything if he hadn’t moved and followed his instincts then no TD and no early controversy.
but really, i’m all for on-the-field coaching as well as giving a rook a break in his first game. also looking forward to giving the great TroyP a run for his money sooner than later.
"STOP US!"
"CHIEFS WILL"
by chiefsinchina on May 5, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I tend to agree.
I don’t remember the McGraw bit, but it looked like Berry was expecting help where there wasn’t any, and it wasn’t clear that the mixup was his fault. Sometimes the player taking the blame is the only guy with any idea there’s a problem.
would of ≠ would've
i had a screen cap of it somewheres...
its real i tell ya, REAL
but as was said at the time… Gates IS in fact a bad mofo
Paging Carl the Janitor, Carl the Janitor you're needed in the war room STAT!
by chiefsinchina on May 6, 2011 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Well ... hmm ... as I was taught
the FS was responsible for calling out the coverage assignments. As the practicing(really pretending to be)SS, I was supposed to listen to him. But the mofo assigning the coverages better be damn right, lol! However, I totally agree E-Berry has just awesome instincts it appears. And I don’t call players awesome, beasts, monsters, studs nor dominant very lightly or often. But Berry has all the abilities to be an awesome, truly dominant SS. I hope he’s here for the next 15 years. But I’m a little biased since Safety is my fave defensive position, followed by CB. If they trade Flowers, I’ll need a bouquet of wildflowers, red wine and a chocolate heart to brighten my mood. And the sympathy of my dogs, heh.
by LocoLoboChico on May 6, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm about the only one on here who picks on Flowers.
I don’t see a player like him going hungry as long as the legs hold up. But I try to call it like I see it when he’s against big ‘n’ tall.
would of ≠ would've
Now if we can land a FA WR, or perhaps an ILB to upgrade on Belcher
Eh, I’m not ready to give up on Belcher
1) He’s about to enter his 3rd year, which is normally when you start recognizing potential, but I think the steeper learning curve he faced coming out of a smaller school means a jump from year 2 to year 3 can be a VERY big one (think of Carr 2010 compared to Carr 2009)
2) I’d also like to see Belcher behind a TRUE nose tackle…I guarantee you that Belcher is a step quicker dropping into coverage on a play action pass if several prior attempts to run up the middle were squashed by my main man Mr. Powe…
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I'm with you on waiting to see with Belcher.
Last year was his first year starting and his improvement was drastic from his rookie to his second year. This kid is 3 years removed from being an undersized DE in college. Another year of coaching and strength & conditioning with a true NT in front of him we could see another drastic jump.
I agree in part about Belcher, that's why I added the "perhaps"
I like what he does against the run for the most part, but he’s SUCH a liability against the pass. That’s what I want to see improved from him, because it really hurts us matchup-wise.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I have to believe a Belcher who is confident in his NT is a step quicker dropping into coverage when he's reading play action
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Exactly the same page, man
Everytime the opponent drops back to pass and Belcher is NOT blitzing, I want to look away or change the channel…
Rec'd
Fun read
Draft
Berry 2010
Castonzo 2011
Floyd 2012 (24th)
FA
Jones 2010
ANY BAD-ASS WR AVAILABLE! 2011
Tony Gonzalez (IND) 2012
I share your enthusiam about this draft MN
but I will be looking forward to huge steps forward from our offense rather than the D. The D will continue to improve with the picks that have been made, but I think that the impact will be seen in our ability to score points.
Good post.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
So you're pretty stoked about Baldwin and Hudson?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
This is like The Godfather II ....kinda good sequel !!!
"One flew East, One flew West...One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest."
I thought it was universally accepted that "3" was the best
How it didn’t when every Oscar available I’ll never know.
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You might be right Mr. Mills.......Mr. Roth made that movie great!!!
What I know for sure is, part 3 sucked the big one. Any movie with George Hamilton in it, has to suck. And Coppola’s daughter….please.
"One flew East, One flew West...One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest."
I can't remember how to do the srcasm font
but I didn’t think it would be needed for that post.
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by BeijingKCfan on May 3, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't. You were fine without it if for no other reason than we need to wean APers off the idea that everything without @s around it should be taken seriously.
"If you really want to shatter a backboard, tell it it's adopted." - Norm MacDonald
Let's hope this story doesn't end like Godfather III
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on May 3, 2011 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Pioli screaming and cradling Cassel's head in his lap?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Unless Bailey can play 5-tech, we're not going to see a WHOLE lot more pressure from our woeful 3-man rush.
In nickel and clear passing situations, KC has excellent options. It’s when teams choose to pass on 1st and 2nd that I’m not so sure. Houston ought to bring something better off the edge opposite Hali than Vrabel or Studie. Powe’s presence and a healthy Jackson (Smith on the inside, at need?) might improve that base 3-4, too, but KC didn’t get great upgrade in prssure from the 5-tech.
I could be wrong, of course. Fresher legs @ NT might free Dorsey and Jackson from worrying so much about the inside seal. This could allow Dorsey, in particular, to try a little more shake-and-bake. Just having Houston on the other side of the line from Hali will tend to stretch protection schemes wider and more numerous, which may ease the pressure on the down linemen inside. The key to getting pressure out of that 3-man rush is an offense that, because of all the OTHER threats you do, is off-balance and channeled into pulling the trigger quickly against the outside pressure, which gives the 3-man rush an edge against protections that are geared-up to stop other threats. That’s when Dorsey can sneak in. It’s also when you can pick up INTs down the field from unnecessarily hurried passes against 8 in coverage.
would of ≠ would've
I don't know that "inside seal" is even a legit term.
But the job of that front 3 is to clog the middle and not give up escape lanes inside. Hence “inside seal.” The turnaround in discipline on the part of the KC D-Line was profound in 2010. They didn’t get enough pressure, imo, but unlike previous seasons, they weren’t instrumental in giving up BIG plays on the QB breakaway.
would of ≠ would've
I really like the Powe pick (and in the 6th RD I love it)
but we should realize we may lose some of that “inside seal” with him in the beginning. Remember he is going to have get back up to and comfortable with his old playing weight. On top of that D-line picks typically get overpowered their rookie year.
I’m all for the Powe pick but I’d be surprised if he solves all our NT problems this year.
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I think a lot of hope is not only on Powe
But on the additional rest he can provide Big Ron or perhaps Smith. Watching Big Ron especially, it’s easy to see how much better he is when rested. If Powe can take some snaps and give him some rest that alone will help the defense tremendously.
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You might be right on the mastery of the techniques Romeo wants.
But you might be wrong about having him packin’ on the pounds. They may even run some of those pounds off him in training camp.
In fact, I think it’s likely that he’s on an exercise bike to start things off, because he won’t pass his early conditioning tests. I’ve been talking like I think Powe is going to come right in and ease the NT rotation from Day 1, when there are indications that he’s a long-term project, and the closest thing they come to making a real change at NT is giving Greenwood more snaps at DE, and giving Bailey some snaps, while Shaun Smith joins the rotation.
But Pioli might find amusement in outbidding Denver for Aubrayo Franklin, for all I know.
I think Powe has POTENTIAL to make significant contributions early, because of his makeup, Crennel’s crystal clarity, and what the Chiefs NEED from NT. From what little Powe has said since his selection, I think his understanding of what’s expected and his suitability for meeting those expectations are solid. I don’t care if his number’s never called, if he makes things easy for his ILBs, and he makes the middle of the field their playground.
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I agree
And that’s where I feel having (as you said) fresh NT legs (everyone’s seen how much better Big Ron is when rested) and Houston may be the difference here.
Although sending the 5th man is always risky, a pass rusher like Houston is much more likely to make the risk pay off than Stude or especially Vrabel. So that adds a dimension we really didn’t have last year.
As far as our front 3 go, I agree that Dorsey is our biggest hope for pressure there. I think we may be able to get him in more “one-on-one” situations this year (as you alluded to).
But to me, that increased rush relies on Houston. If he can show himself early on to be even somewhat of a threat, opposing offenses will have a lot more to worry about.
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Gabe Miller might bring much the same kind of thing.
Either Houston or Miller, and certainly Bailey, will force offenses to do more than stick a TE out there.
I think Studie and Vrabel are MUCH better at damage control than these young guys will be, but I think they cause part of the damage, by not being big enough threats in their own right. Numerous times I saw where either one of ’em got loose on the pass rush, and were two steps too slow to affect the pass, let alone notch the sack. These 3 young ’tweeners would have a better shot at getting it done in those situations.
K-man was talking about Vrabel being too slow, and I agree with regards to being a serious pass rush threat. I still think Vrabel can do some good at ILB with a pack of young, fast, strong players around him, though. A guy who can diagnose the play, the throwing lanes, and the routes being run is just the sort of glue to hold this young group together, imo.
I want that SOLB to pressure the passer and disrupt running plays a lot closer to their point of origin. I want them to have to send another big back to the right any time they roll out. Nobody to spare for rearguard action against Hali. Also be nice to give Hali some rest. I know he’s non-stop and relentless, but we all lose a little something after so many reps, and Jason Campbell DID run cleanly away from Hali last season. Houston or Bailey or Miller in that same situation might have caught him from behind. Hali might’ve caught him, if either the offense had controlled more clock, or there’d been anything resembling Hali behind him on the depth chart.
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Pioli brought in Juniour Seau at 39 years of age
I am with you Mills, if nothing else we have an emergency plan at SOLB in year one
"Hair cut time.''
We'll see what transpires.
Just because I speculate along those lines doesn’t mean we’ll see anything like it, come regulation.
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Houston is quite a bit faster than Hali
Watching his highlights, that guy just MOVES around the corner when rushing the passer. Best of all, I see him using the two-handed downward “slap” Hali uses so, so effectively.
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Longer arms perhaps? So he can wrap a little better?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
To me it looks like an arm STRENGTH thing.
A Seymour gets a finger in your jersey and you’re going down. When Hali’s white gloves flash before impact, you may or may not see the QB go down.
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Which is odd
Because he seems to have ridiculously strong hands when slapping an OT’s hands out of the way.
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Maybe just quicker than the OT.
But a guy trying that back-side rush is going to get a few strip-fumbles and his jaws will occasionally close on air. Kind of the nature of what he’s doing, and maybe I’m over-critical, because I always want the sack.
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You forgot the kid from Colorado my friend. Before the draft I felt we needed to fix
Vrabel’s and McGraw’s spot on defense. Hopefully Houston and Brown are the fix, with Powe, if he can play low, the cherry on top. But I agree with the “idiot” who wrote this post, our D is gonna be better.
I didn't include Brown because I'm not sure about his role
Do you see him as playing the “other” cover man in our nickel like McGraw did last year?
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Yep. I like him, but he's just too slow at this point
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I think there'll be active competition at that FS spot.
And Lewis and Brown both have JAM potential that opens up a whole ’nother way of attacking offenses.
I’m not counting McGraw out, although he’s fighting for a roster spot. If this D evolves in certain directions, I think there are some TEs in the league that he can beat up at the line.
There are some small developments that are possible, and if they come to fruition, we could see some radical shifts in what the Chiefs are willing and able to do with that secondary they’re building. They still have a pair of little guys they’ll have to hide from teams with multiple big WRs (I suggest the inverted coverages on Flowers’ side, with Berry/Lewis/Brown jamming at the line.). Let Javvy and Flowers play some awesome FS in those situations. Either one of ‘em can blitz. Javvy’s got a reputation for it, but, if Flowers could be spared for the task, he’s every bit as pesky as a blitzer.
would of ≠ would've
After the way Lewis played his rookie year
I’d be stunned of Brown could beat him out of the starting FS role. Just stunned.
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Last I checked, though, against big WRs,
KC didn’t have 3 guys who could come up and jam. Always backing off, instead of attacking the 3 wides, or 2 bigs plus TE. Always letting somebody off scot free. Lewis, Berry and Brown might change that equation, is my hope.
would of ≠ would've
True
Although I always thought Flowers acquitted himself wonderfully against any size receiver pre-hammy injury, regardless of whether or not he jammed.
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He's subject to area throws against big WRs, imo.
If you had Flowers in a bigger package, it’d be the reincarnation of James Hasty.
would of ≠ would've
Good write up MN.
I am more excited about this draft than possibly any draft ever. After a little research (and a lot more to come) I am excited about every pick. Well, I still don’t know the last guy, but I am so excited. They have to get rid of that stupid lockout so that the offseason can begin.
"If ifs mattered, everyone would be undefeated." Enite
Here's my take on why we shouldn't rush to ANY conclusions.
Houston - Draft him in the 1st to be our starting SOLB and it’s a terrible pick. Take him in the 3rd to backup Hali and play situational roles, and it’s a great pick. Yes, Houston has experience in the 3-4 as an OLB…but his role was to serve as a pass rusher. Imagine Elvis Dumervil for a second. He started as a 4-3 DE, but really exploded as a 3-4 OLB. However, his role never changed. He was still a pass-rusher. Same is true with Houston. Now, COULD Houston develop into a well-rounded OLB? Absolutely, which is why he is an excellent 3rd rd pick.
Powe – Coming into last season, there wasn’t any NT more highly thought of than Jerrell Powe. So how come he fell so far? Forget the dyslexia. He had that in 2009 as well and was considered a 1st or 2nd rd pick. The poor year of production? Yeah, that definitely played a major role. Remember that Pioli goes to the game tape on his guys to see what they’re all about. And, don’t forget that Romeo Crennel’s 2 big names at NT have both been guys that can cause pressure (Vince Wilfork and Shaun Rodgers), so getting a look at Powe in both systems was probably very important to the Chiefs. Now, often a poor year on the field can be overcome by a solid workout to show the potential is still there. Powe did terrible at the Combine and at his Pro Day. While those workouts aren’t generally that important, it does play a factor. If we were to do the Player X test with Powe, using his production from 2010 along with his Combine/Pro Day numbers, I doubt there is a person here who would have wanted him on the roster. However, there is a lot there for Crennel to work with, and I expect we will see some kind of results as early as 2012 season.
Bailey – It’s tough to see where he fits right now. As near as I can tell, the best we should hope for early on is a situational player who maybe gets some snaps to relieve Glenn Dorsey. This may also be a message to Dorsey and Jackson that they need to take another step in their development. Bailey offers us a better rotational system (like Shaun Smith did with Tyson Jackson) to help keep our D-line fresh.
Truth be told, I don’t expect this draft class to provide an immediate boost to our starting lineup. I think that falls on the guys already in house. However, all three of these players offer the ability to play situational roles early on and develop into starters within the next couple of seasons. It’s a solid draft class, but don’t judge them too early.
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by citadelchief on May 3, 2011 7:42 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
don’t judge them too early.
Read my disclaimer. I even said please :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
But adhering to disclaimers isn't nearly as fun.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 3, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a feeling that Gabe Miller will end up making the shift to SOLB.
Vrabel and Walters aren’t actually gone…yet.
And (we’ve been talking below) Cam Sheffield is a wild card in my book. I’m wondering if he could make that shift.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
I don't see the SOLB position being particularly strong this year.
Don’t be surprised if Mel Kiper is calling for us to draft there again…after we pick an OT, of course.
I’m looking at 2012 as being the year our defense really comes together.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
That's it
Get off my post
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Haha, sorry, I know my realism can be a downer sometimes.
Comes from teaching new, 18 yr old, Marines the ways of the world.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
I don't mind realism
You’re just stepping on my post. How can we have arrived if we don’t come together until 2012? :)
See the dilemma there?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
That's where the disclaimer comes in.
You’re covered. That’s a fine piece of legal documentation.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Imagine Elvis Dumervil for a second. He started as a 4-3 DE, but really exploded as a 3-4 OLB. However, his role never changed. He was still a pass-rusher. Same is true with Houston. Now, COULD Houston develop into a well-rounded OLB? Absolutely, which is why he is an excellent 3rd rd pick.
Yes, but I think Houston is about 25 pounds heavier than Dumervil, so I hope that alone makes him better against the run. I definitely see Houston at SOLB, not at WOLB behind Hali
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
we HAVE to hope Houston is a SOLB
he’d be fine as depth behind Hali… but he’d be FAR more valuable if he can win the starting job over Studebaker… or at least be in a good rotation with him.
Maybe.
I still think Cam Sheffield is a wild card in all of this (add Gabe Miller to that as well).
With the Chiefs taking another pass-rusher as opposed to a run-stopper, I’m starting to wonder if they think the answer is already in house.
Regardless of whether Houston CAN play the position, he still has to make the transition. He’s only ever been a pass-rusher, so learning to focus on stopping the run and dropping into coverage is going to be a learning experience. And with it looking like we’ll have limited camp time this year, that learning is likely to take a little longer.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
I don't understand all the hope I see around here about Sheffield as a SOLB
While at the same time all the doubt about Houston. Wasn’t Sheffield a defensive end in college? He’s less athletic and smaller than Houston.
Why do people believe he can be a SOLB but Houston cannot?
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LOTS of options on the "front 5" this year
Sheffield, Houston, Miller, and even someday Bailey could compete with Studebaker for the SOLB spot
Assuming Smith is re-signed, and everyone else is retained… this is a VERY deep group all of a sudden
Sheffield, Houston, Miller, and even someday Bailey could compete with Studebaker for the SOLB spot
If Bailey could drop from 288 lbs. to around 270 lbs. he could be an absolute terror at SOLB – gap discipline is already listed as one of his strengths.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Sheff was better against the run
Plus he is a huge wildcard. A year off(from a bad injury) he could have been working that whole time or he could have been sitting around. We don’t really know anything about him at this point
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 4, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
That's exactly why Sheffield intrigues me.
He’s the guy I’m keeping my eye on, once the NFL finally gets started.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 4, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I am rooting for the guy
However I really hope he really does love football this much. After that kind of injury I know I would really rethink it.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 4, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
K-man doubts that Sheffield will ever again be the player he was.
And the way people (myself included) talk about Sheffield, you’d think he had 50 tackles and played half the season. I was LOOKING for Sheffield to take the field, I liked what I saw, and then POOF, he was gone.
would of ≠ would've
He was a little spark in preseason
Glad he healed up after that injury, just hopefully he took the time to think about football after it.
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 5, 2011 5:43 AM CDT up reply actions
We'll see.
I’m dubious of the whole psychological meltdown thing. More likely an idea K got his teeth into and he chewed with his mouth open here on AP. Or at least that’s my projection, based on how I so often do that sort of thing.
would of ≠ would've
I've stated my opinion on Sheff's situation before
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 5, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
He looked pretty fluid and more explosive on the upfield side of the equation.
But I suspect that this entering class of ’tweeners will at the least give Sheffield a serious run for his money.
would of ≠ would've
It is nice to have quite a bit of depth in the LB core
I’m really hoping to see a ‘psycho’ package as a nickel/dime/situational. 1 downlinemen 3/4/5 LBs all standing up walking around
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 5, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The Packs psycho package would be awesome to see here.
Just line up Houston, Bailey, Hali with Miller blitzing the gut or B gap, and DJ dropping back into coverage. I hope the old dog is learning some new tricks for today’s pass-happy NFL with whom they’ve drafted to do whatever. I’m still kinda perplexed about why they drafted Bailey, Houston and Miller?
The only thing I can speculate is that I see the potential for Bailey to become our new 5-tech DE in a couple of seasons, but being used as a penetrating 3-tech in the 5-cent package in the meantime. Maybe Houston being used at SOLB to blow up the backfield both on running and passing plays; negative yardage plays are equally devastating, be they snagging the BC for a loss, or sacking the QB. And Miller being used as a rover, or wildcard, to line up and rush on the strongside, weakside, blitz the interior gaps – just create mismatches wherever, whenever. His MO seems be as a quick-twitch rusher. I sure as hell don’t know, lol.
So, hopefully, Crennel is going to let the coverage responsibilities be handed off to big, physical DB’s like Brown and Berry, and even Lewis. Crennel did like his CB’s and S’ties to be very physical and jamming at line in NE. I hope he adopts that here when he gets more comfortable that his young DB’s can do it. Brown’s forte is listed as being press coverage and physical run stopper. Yeah, a 1-4-6 … I could like that!
by LocoLoboChico on May 6, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Most 3-4 teams have their own version of the
‘psycho’ package and it is something I would like to see the Chiefs bring out now and then. The nickel we ran last year was basically a 4-2 and we did have some success with Bailey coming in along with Gilberry in the middle then Hali and Houston on the outside that really does seem like it will generate pressure.
Bailey is interesting. We do know he will be used in sub packages for extra pressure. What we do not know is what position he will be groomed for, DE or LB(many people believe LB). He is stouter than Gilberry but at this point Gilberry might be the better rusher. Could Bailey be groomed for the 5tech as insurance incase one of the starters go down? Could he be groomed for the 5tech incase Tjax doesnt make any huge strides this year? Could he be groomed for the 5tech incase Pioli gets a good offer for Dorsey? Could he be groomed for the SOLB role incase Pioli gets a good offer for Hali and Houston slides to WOLB? etc
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 6, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
An added pass rush works well with our Nickel.
We have a very solid secondary, so the need for complex packages isn’t really there.
I’d like to see a “Psycho” package thrown in once in a while just to catch the other team off guard. But, it’s not a necessity with the (potentially) added pass rush threat we get with Houston and Bailey.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
But I think we're rightly intrigued by packages that have both Houston AND Bailey
on the field at the same time.
Bailey might be just the guy you want for a KC psycho-shuffle. That’s a damn big bunch of LBs. I can see it being used quite often on any given Sunday, depending on the opposition. I don’t see it being used a whole lot THIS year. Against the 2011 schedule, maybe they swap out an ILB for one of the big OLBs (Houston/Miller) to play pirate with Houston/Miller/Bailey playing LDE/OLB ’tweener, which they are. Run nickel behind THAT.
I’m loving the possibilities on paper. Bailey’s the wildcard, in my mind. I hope something develops more or less organically, and they don’t turn him into a 3-year project who’s a fish outta water in the meantime. Early indications are that he’s all inside pass-rusher, which he can do straight outta the box. Whether his role expands and into what, will be a point of interest.
would of ≠ would've
I watched the games UGA played against South Carolina and GT.
That’s a HUGE part of the reason I don’t like Houston as our SOLB. Marcus Lattimore and the GT Triple Option ran at, over, and around Houston in both games.
It’s not that I don’t think he can, I just think it’s going to take a while for him to develop that skill set.
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by citadelchief on May 4, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully our front 3 are more stout against the run than the
UGA’s front 3 actually were.
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 4, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Very true.
It was certainly a team failure in general.
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by citadelchief on May 4, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
With you on Sheff
the guy, for all we know, could never play a meaningful (or any other type, for that matter) snap in any NFL game. Sure, he looked pretty good in a handful of preseason games (was it 2?), but I’m very concerned about 1) his injury and 2) the drafting of two additional OLBs in Houston and Miller and how this relates to Sheff’s comeback.
Hard to say.
I can see Vrabel, Mays, and Walters as all being on the bubble right now.
I think Sheff at least gets a chance to prove himself in camp.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Providing he's healthy
I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve a chance. I’m saying that we’ve not seen him play and thus shouldn’t be hailing him as the conquering hero.
I fully agree with your assessment of guys on the bubble.
yep, I think Sheff gets a good chance to stick
but Justin Cole, Charlie Anderson and Eric Baktkari are LONG gone
Haha, yeah, I don't even have them on the bubble.
They were just open/shut cases.
Would still like to see us get aggressive with some UDFAs (Herzlich!) to fill some of those roster spots.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Herzlich was drafted to the UFL or whatever
IIRC they have to play out those contracts before they could sign with the NFL
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 4, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
only if they SIGN a UFL contract, right?
my guess is that the NFL-caliber players won’t sign untill they know if they get an NFL shot
Seems like I heard, as explanation for his slippage in UFL draft (51st out of 52?),
that a guy like him, the UFL couldn’t hold him if he wanted to turn them down and play in the NFL. I think they said that he’d hold off on signing until he was sure or would maybe even have an NFL escape clause written in if he did.
But this is just imperfect memory based on imperfect hearing, so it’s FWIW.
would of ≠ would've
Couldn't the NFL(or team) just buy out the contract anyways?
I remember hearing something about that but idk its too early to google
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 5, 2011 5:44 AM CDT up reply actions
The NFL can buy the contract out to sign a UFL player
Plus the UFL season doesn’t last that long and a player would still have around half the season to sign with an NFL team and play out the rest of the season
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 5, 2011 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Just a side note
Powe – Coming into last season, there wasn’t any NT more highly thought of than Jerrell Powe. So how come he fell so far? Forget the dyslexia. He had that in 2009 as well and was considered a 1st or 2nd rd pick. The poor year of production? Yeah, that definitely played a major role
in 2009 Powe played a true zero tech NT position. He was great, and had an awsome season. His stock went through the roof and we was considered a 1/2 round talent, maybe the best in college at NT.
In 2010 his college coaches changed his position. Instead of playing a true Zero/2 Gap NT role… they MOVED him to a 1 gap player playing a shade on the center. He was still in the middle, but instead of being a space eater 2 gap protector, they asked him to play a 1 gap role and bull rush the passer. His production suffered mainly due to the change in scheme/position.
I believe the Chiefs will be asking him to play a Zero tech, 2 gap, true NT role… as we do not have a single zero tech 2 gaper on our roster. He may only play on 1st and second downs, and obvious run situations because of this…. with Torbio/Edwards coming in to play the 1 gap pass rusher on passing downs. But he’ll still be the best run stuffer/hole plugger on the defensive line.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
I agree
Honestly, I think if they hadn’t been stupid with him at Ole Miss there is NO way we get a shot at drafting him this year, let alone in the 6th round.
I can’t figure out if I’m being an optimistic homer, but the reasons you give are the same ones I believe Powe will be able to contribute pretty quickly.
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I'm optimistic about him.
Just not right away.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
He has a couple strikes against him.
And this 2011 is NOT conducive to instant production from rookies.
would of ≠ would've
agree, that's the thought
they did ask him to lose weight…. but, then again, so did Haley.
But, with the strength and conditioning he should get (lockout notwithstanding) in KC… hopefully, he can AT LEAST be a stud on obvious rushing downs.
I remembered watching him in 2009, and he was able to move the Center and a guard into the backfield… if he regains any of that form, he’ll be a HUGE pickup.
Remember, big Ron didn’t really play all 3 downs, either… so, with as much as KC uses the Nickel package, a guy like Powe can become a “starter” pretty quickly.
BTW, they REALLY impoved that Nickel package last weekend with Bailey and Houston… assuming they keep Hali and Gilberry, there might be a TON of pass rushing ability all across the front 5
That nickel will be bigger and faster, both.
My concern is teams still being able to throw against the base 3-4. That’s why I think the shortest path to improvement against the pass is Houston being a 3-down player at SOLB. When I look at it that way, I see Gabe Miller as potential swing OLB in a system based on big OLBs. I just wonder how much in that LB mix Bailey is. Looking at team needs, I think the Chiefs would really like him to be able to play some 5-tech, but I feel like his best shot at being a standout player is being a beast of an OLB.
would of ≠ would've
What scares me there though is that he's obviously feeling the effects of the dramatic weight cut.
He was supposed to be (in 2009) one of the more powerful men in the NCAA. His reps at the Combine suggest that isn’t true. And electing not to do another bench press at his Pro Day lends some validation to that. Yes, workouts don’t mean much. But that is a valid indicator of strength (and an area/event that Powe, admittedly, expected to impress scouts).
Powe has the potential. But I think the biggest thing is that he not only has to put the weight back on, but he has to do it the right way by optimizing his strength training. That’s going to take some time. That’s why I think we’re looking at 2012 as being his first meaningful contribution point.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Terrance Cody put up 22 reps at the combine, Dan Williams put up 27
Neither of them seem to be having problems. Bench press is about 10% of what you’re looking for linemen, if that.
Dan Williams especially has been STOUT and borderline-immovable against the run. With the exact same number of reps.
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What is Powe's Arm Length
that might make a huge difference.
I would prefer longer arms on my 2-gap NT to grab O-lineman and create a huge wall of bodies. I will check :)
"Hair cut time.''
JERRELL POWE. 40 Yard Dash Time. Height: 6’2" Weight: 335 lbs. Arm Length: 33 1/4 in. Hand Size: 9 5/8 in
I was hoping the arms were longer
"Hair cut time.''
he's got short arms, but thats not really all that relevant for D linemen
Arm length is a stat that is highly sought after for O Linemen, especially tackles playing on the outside .. to deal with the DE/LB rush.
An interior D lineman really doesn’t need to have a huge wingspan to be effective. Instead, he needs to keep a low body (under the O Lineman), burst off the ball, and be stout enough in his legs to hold up to a double team and drive forward.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
All sounds like Powe, to me.
I think the armspan is important at DE, and it’s one of the reasons Dorsey has remained the starter as long as he has.
would of ≠ would've
Exactly. Being low and thick is important for a NT...
And well, well, Powe’s only 6’ 2" with 335 pounds.
How many centers you think feel comfortable keeping him from driving them back without help? I know Weigs and Nis wouldn’t be able to…
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Right, but when you tell everyone that's the event you're going to impress with...
You’d better do it.
And, with no valuable tape on him against the run since 2009, we don’t have much else to go with. Cody has seen limited duty on what is a stacked Ravens D-line. Dan Williams has played great, BUT, how many guys with the same numbers can you name that haven’t turned out well? Probably none, because they faded into obscurity.
There’s a reason that Powe fell all the way to the 6th (and probably the 7th if the Chiefs don’t draft him). This might not be the exact reason, but it is certainly evidence.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Nice, well thought-out com, citadel. rec'd
When you think Houston, think Terrell Suggs. This is exactly the kind of player I’ve been campaigning for at that spot, since we 1st started talking about the switch to 3-4. Everybody else is concerned about his ability to fulfill a complex job description and I’m just askin’ ta see a couple things being done much better than anybody I’ve seen in a Chiefs uniform for quite some time. Gabe Miller might have been more the late-round system pick @ ’tweener, and Houston more of a target of opportunity. I think both are aimed at getting more POWER and DISRUPTION out of that position. Sure, one of these guys will likely be rotating with Hali. Bailey might even get some reps, there.
Powe – I like your chronology. This first couple weeks after the draft, though, I’m still a bit euphoric, dreaming dreams of scores of blockers dashing themselves to bits on the rocks beneath Powe’s shoulder pads, running backs with collapsed lungs being rushed to Intensive Care, widowed wives of quarterbacks and their wails of woe. Seriously, this is the kind of D that might get Powe on the field sooner rather than later. What’s asked of the NT is what he basically does. But the thing that seems likely to take him a while is getting into NFL condition, especially with no rookie OTAs and the prospect of a late training camp.
Bailey – I concur, although Gilberry seemed the presumptive target in the nickel sub-package. Are you talking about Gilberry and Bailey side-by-side? Let’s just hope that Bailey’s harder for opponents to pigeonhole than it is for his own coaches. He may end up neither fish nor fowl. He may show up Dorsey. He may slim down to 270-ish and take reps at either OLB spot. Maybe they like him so much at tackle that they play him at 290ish. My suspicion is that he’s already packed about as much muscle as he can on that frame of his, and making him any heavier just slows him down. So I’m leaning towards him being our 3rd OLB in an OLB rotation where it’s hard to tell 3rd from 1st.
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by hmills110 on May 4, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I could see Bailey coming into the DE rotation.
Relieving Dorsey at times, but mainly coming in for the 4-man front Nickel sets as a DE.
I think Gabe Miller becomes the guy who switches to OLB and Bailey stays put at DE.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Gabe Miller in SOLB rotation.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
I can see Bailey getting some 5-tech.
But they’re talking like he’ll immediately be tried as a pass rusher from DT.
would of ≠ would've
I hope so. Gilberry's already shown the ability to split gaps
If Bailey’s as strong as the word is, he can push while Gilberry splits, both preventing the QB from stepping up. Meanwhile Hali’s got his guy beat (that’s just a given) and the QB turns to run right because we don’t have jack over there to rush the passe… Uh oh, here comes Houston!
I seriously cannot wait for football.
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Watching film on Bailey is pretty entertaining
You can tell how strong he is very quickly the way he pushes people around. He also looks more athletic than a 288lb man should look.
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Someone threw out an idea I don't agree with but at least gave some thought
Seymour and Warren were Pioli and Crennel’s boys in NE. T-Jax is clearly a Warren. However, Dorsey is not a Seymour.
Bailey looks (and scouts) a lot more like a Seymour (of course, this is pre-any-NFL-games). Strong against the run, but capable of a pass rush from the DE spot in a 3-4.
The idea is Dorsey could probably get us a 1st at this point from a 4-3 team. Thoughts?
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I dunno
I got on the “Dorsey to Detriot for the ability to draft Suh” train back then. I have a hard time thinking they’ll trade away a guy that has proved to be solid for an unknown rookie.
I actually think that Bailey, with some coaching, could even become an OLB. Probably not likely but he seems to have that kind of athleticism.
At this point nothing Pioli does will surprise me considering he’d never take a Safety at 5, he’d never take a ‘questionable’ player, let alone WR in the first, let alone TWO ‘questionables’ in one draft.
"Maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on through the lyrics that you hear in our songs"
Good points all
And I too hope they keep Dorsey (which I think they will). There’s gotta be some kind of law against trading your best lineman
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Someone threw out an idea I don’t agree with but at least gave some thought
Seymour and Warren were Pioli and Crennel’s boys in NE. T-Jax is clearly a Warren. However, Dorsey is not a Seymour.
Bailey looks (and scouts) a lot more like a Seymour (of course, this is pre-any-NFL-games). Strong against the run, but capable of a pass rush from the DE spot in a 3-4.
The idea is Dorsey could probably get us a 1st at this point from a 4-3 team.
It was me =)
And Bajah07
I have a hard time thinking they’ll trade away a guy that has proved to be solid for an unknown rookie.
When I brought up that possibility in another thread it was a 2012-13 type thing, if the coaches see Bailey reaching his potential. He is a much closer analog of Seymour than Dorsey is (at least physically and athletically)
But who knows, they may want to deal Hali, put Houston at WOLB and Bailey at SOLB with each in the 265-275 neighborhood…
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Ahhhh......that makes sense PV
I hope we have that kind of a problem….it’s not a bad thing to have too many good players.
"Maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on through the lyrics that you hear in our songs"
The more I chew on it, the more I think he'll start as inside pass rusher in sub-packages,
which everybody pretty much agrees with, but that the real hope is that he’ll join the DE rotation more or less regularly.
would of ≠ would've
I agree
he’ll be situational at first – but you hope that everybody you draft in the first three rounds becomes a starter (or at least a guy who sees contributes 30-40 snaps a game when you include ST)
So ideally Bailey would take either SOLB or RDE eventually, allowing us to trade the guy who did occupy that spot.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
SOLB or LDE more than likely
I would say Tjax’s job is on the line more than Dorsey’s even if Dorsey may have higher trade value
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 5, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The onus is on Jackson with an early knee injury limiting his production in his 2nd season.
But I do think he’s a better fit for THIS defense than Dorsey is. Dorsey’s durn good in that under tackle role, and he gets to play that role quite a bit, with Hali taking all of the LT’s attention, but the pressure from that side, with Dorsey in 5-tech, is pretty anemic. I could be reading it wrong, and fresher NT and a healthy T-Jax might change my perception.
I don’t think Hali is all that great in coverage, but I don’t think there’s much oomph in the pass rush on the changeup, with Dorsey in 5-tech and the SOLB coming from the other side, or worse, the straight 3-man rush. Bailey might actually be a better fit, being comparable to Dorsey as that under tackle and better than Dorsey at getting pressure in 5-tech. Dorsey might look a helluva lot better, too, if someone other than Shaun Smith were the other DE rushing the passer.
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My philosophy on that 5-man front is
that it’s a perpetual threat of the 5-man rush that must be accounted for (and yes, I bring it all day long, if it works), and so even if you’re only sending 4 the majority of the time, you have a highly potent 4-man rush, in whatever form it takes. It’s not that either of your OLBs is great in coverage, but that both of them are highly dangerous pass rushers, so that offenses must take them into account
The biggest flaw in what KC had last season was that Hali coming from the outside was as predictable as Jared Allen in Minnesota. You could pigeonhole the Chiefs a lot like you would a base 4-3, because there were no teeth in the changeup. If nothing else, Houston, Bailey and Miller tilt the equation towards getting pressure from more than one spot, making things easier on the whole rest of the defense.
would of ≠ would've
I will agree that Tjax seems to be the better fit
However if he doesn’t start staying on the field and producing.. how could you justify getting rid of the better of the 2 DE’s? One has the size so he is safe even if he cant do anything on the field to warrent it? Yes Tjax has shown flashes but is that enough?
I also agree that with a better/constantly fresh NT the front 3 could look better and with a bigger rushing threat at SOLB this whole defense looks better. If Hali didn’t rush and he did drop back there is no way he could stay with a TE/RB/WR for the 3 and a half days that the QB had to throw.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 6, 2011 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions
With the D clicking, getting into the proper drop isn't all that hard.
It becomes rocket science, with a need for rockets in your shoes, the longer the QB’s upright, without a doubt.
would of ≠ would've
Not a fan of the 5-man rush at all.
Heard this from Colin Cowherd the other day. It’s not the Chiefs…but close enough.
(Paraphrased)
The Patriots struggled to get pressure last year. They often had to bring a 5-man rush in order to generate any real pressure. When they did this, opposing QBs had a 103 QB rating against them.
When you bring that 5-man rush, it opens up some easy passes for the QB. Screens and slants suddenly become a lot more dangerous.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
There is a difference between bringing 5
And always having the threat to bring 5. Vrabel at SOLB was no threat at all, we had to rush Hali since he was the only one getting pressure. Could that change with Houston at SOLB?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 6, 2011 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Be interesting to see what the Jets stats were when bringing
at least 5 guys
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 6, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
But I think we already have that.
Berry and Arenas already provide that dynamic (similar to what the Steelers can do with Troy P.).
And a more athletic SOLB (than Vrabel) increases that threat as well, without us having to change much in terms of scheme.
I just don’t want us changing our base 3-4 into a 5-man rush set up. Changing our Nickel package to get more pressure is just fine with me, but I hope we leave that base alone.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Steelers have Harrison and Woodley
Troy is an engima on that defense offense have to find him and try to figure him out before the snap and Berry might give us that but the fact that either OLB can come off the edge really screws up the offensive line.
Who do you double? Who do you slide to? What about the ILBs? The Steelers do often rush the 3 Dlinemen+1 LB but thats what makes them good is the confusion of WHAT LB is coming. I would love if that is what our D does become.
Even without the zone blitz’s when the Oline lines up before the snap they all look around trying to figure out who is coming who is not. If a tackle takes a false step thinking one OLB is coming then that frees up the DE with more space, if both tackles kickslide back expecting a speed rush and neither OLBs come but instead the ILBs do that opens up the middle of the Oline
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 6, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I think his main point isn't to always rush 5 guys
It’s that with Houston (who we know is a good pass rusher if nothing else) there is the THREAT of a 5 man rush at any point.
They can’t automatically discount a potential rush by the SOLB because it’s a guy who is much better at it than Vrabel or Stude. So it warrants attention.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Right.
And when I see that Houston is able to play the run well, then I will certainly change my opinion.
But, until I see that…
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 6, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm hoping there's a definite upfield element to Houston's run D.
Let’s see some more aggressive run D off the penetration, and not just mindin’ the store over there.
would of ≠ would've
I'm not saying send 5 all day long, but yes.
Blitz a fair amount. Show the willingness to do that, and maybe send 4 most of the day, but only against an offense that’s basing its playcalling on fear of that (a) blitz of some description.
KC D did a very fine job, considering they didn’t have a potent pass rush threat from the strong side. And every blitz they tried with their DBs was against that backdrop. I think those DB blitzes were less effective, because of this.
BAMF hit the nail on the head, up above. You need guys on BOTH flanks who can penetrate and blow plays up. Chiefs had one guy in 2010, for the most part, and it sure looks to me like they were aiming for that, above all else. Maybe the best one of ’em at stopping the run ends up earning most of the snaps.
would of ≠ would've
And don't forget to sneak in Berry and Arenas
on corner and safety blitzes. But I love the DB’s and blitzes, so that’s just my thing. (shrug) I’ll bring 5, 6 or 7 all day long … until somebody like Brady and Deion rip my guts open doing it, like they did against Jets that Monday night. Then you have change things up when you play them again, like the Jets did in the playoff game.
by LocoLoboChico on May 6, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, but there's a big difference between running those blitzes...
And having a base 5-man rush.
That 5-man rush is what we were running earlier in the decade when our defense was so terribly pathetic. We’d get killed all day on slants and screens (which is pretty typical when you have to bring that many on your “base” rush). I don’t want to see us returning to that.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
I use the term "base threat" quite a bit.
And even though I’m sure I’m more blitz-happy than you are, I wasn’t necessarily saying blitz as the “base D.” I make a distinction in my own mind that might not be psychically transmitted to the reader. :o)
With the base 5-man THREAT, the offense is less than ideally prepared to block the 4 you DO send. Sure Bailey’s gonna look for shite in coverage, but there’s a C and maybe a G both lookin’ for to block him, and there are 4 guys coming from somewhere else, and Bailey just drops his big body into the soft spot where the formation told you there wasn’t going to be anybody.
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Appreciate the rec as well.
If I put the same effort and thought into my term papers, I’d probably be on the Dean’s List right now.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Maybe the idea is to trick yourself into feeling some passion for whatever topic.
Math homework isn’t another stupid hoop to jump through. It’s a new game every night that you get to play.
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Well, hopefully "Statistical Analysis in Social Research" is behind me (even though I know I'll need it in the future).
Other than that, I pretty much enjoy the rest of my studies.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
If you ever in your career encounter a good research project,
you’ll quickly become highly versed in the stats you need in order to convey to the rest of the community that you’re on to something. Half the time it’s hare-brained in MY area: teaching. But if you have a new idea for gettin’ the idea across, you run all kinds of stats on your students to see if you’re getting something extra out of ‘em that you wouldn’t, otherwise. Myself, I feel that a lotta that research is flawed, because the fact that you’re studying it affects how you run the class.
You might be more (or less) organized, and grade more papers in more detail, and the extra feedback/energy you put in might affect student learning more than the zippety-doo-dah animated presentations you’ve created. You might just be going into class all pumped-up, because you’re excited about your research. Any number of factors that tend to show that a new teaching technique is significantly better than the old one, when like as not, just doing the old one with the same amount of energy and attention to detail would generate similar improvement in the class.
The bane of education research is new methods being tested on an honors section. Of COURSE they learn better. They’re HONORS students! Anything new you try is gonna work! Now, help me with techniques for my inner city kids or for my immigrant English-as-a-second-language types or for my hick farm kids or…
would of ≠ would've
sounds like some of what I said about Justin Houston you did agree with
it was good talk and a draft that makes me drool overall/
I need to write my story…
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on May 5, 2011 4:06 AM CDT up reply actions
The big thing for me AGAINST Houston was as a 1st rd pick.
I hated that idea. However, as a 3rd rd pick, he’s incredible value and offers more options (not as much pressure to start him). Now we have (potentially) incredible depth at that pass-rushing WOLB spot. And, Houston now has time to develop his skill set and make the move to being a solid SOLB.
1st rd pick = Terrible
3rd rd pick = Incredible
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Powe is being set up
I already feel bad for Powe as fans (unintentionally) are setting him up to fail around here. Overall, I think he’ll be a decent if not good nose tackle for the Chiefs, but with all the clamor that went on at Arrowhead the past 2 years around nose tackle, it has set him up to fail. He fell to the 6th round because that is his value.
Remember last year with Terrence Cody? He didn’t start for the Ravens last year, and isn’t going to start this year. I live in Washington and get to watch all their games, and he is actually doing alright – but there isn’t overwhelming pressure on him there like there would be with the Chiefs and this fan base in particular.
People need to cool it with Powe and re-adjust their projections of him. Yeah, I hope he reaches a Shaun Smith level of talent and fan loyalty as well, but the man hasn’t played a snap in the NFL and people need to remember that (hell, he is still unemployed). It took Dorsey 3 years to come into his own. T-Jax is still getting there. I think it’s great we drafted Powe because he seems like a great guy that has overcome a lot in his life, but I wish people would say they are just excited that Ron gets a breather every now and then as Powe is slowly developed. I don’t expect him to contribute right away at all, and that’s cool. 6th round developmental players shouldn’t be given that expectation.
Dorsey was asked to do a lot in his first 2 years
Powe’s job wouldn’t be all that hard and thats why there is optimism for him. I do agree he shouldn’t be out there a lot but when we need a big ol boy on say third and short or goal line.. get him in
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 3, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
While my HOPES for Powe are quite high
My EXPECTATIONS are more that he’ll get 5-10 snaps a game giving Big Ron a breather.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
The much needed breather
to keep him from such an epic fail in the second half of the season again this year. He just disappeared last season…
Yeah he did
To be honest, Powe is more suited for the position than Edwards. I would not be at all surprised to see Powe taking a few more snaps towards midseason, then a few more as it progresses, to being the main guy near the end of the year.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
That's certainly the hope.
Heck, I put no ceiling on hopes. I HOPE he starts right away and garners double-digit sacks, with a bunch of TFLs, besides.
I’m just intrigued to see what comes out the other end of body by Haley and Pleasant technique by Crennel.
would of ≠ would've
I'd agree with you, chrishicks, except that Powe was drafted in the 6th.
Once the post-draft euphoria subsides, we’ll start remembering that fact, and early expectations will be tempered with reason. For now, I’m dwelling on the up-side, and betting that 2009 wasn’t the peak of this young man’s career or playing ability. I’m also optimistic, because, as others have said, the role he’s being asked to play in the KC script is as if the playwright had him in mind all along.
The pressure for Powe to perform right away is all on Powe, and not on the Chiefs, who only spent a late-round pick on a guy who slipped all the way from the 1st. He was already fulfilling the basic job description in 2009. It’s likely that the weight targets he achieved in a collegiate setting (Some programs are top-notch, but they aren’t pro outfits) were at the expense of some strength. There’s a chance that’s all behind him. If Powe can just play for 10 or 20 snaps a game, the way he played in 2009, the Chiefs will have made progress at the nose.
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Chiefs killed it in the draft
6’5" WR not even Cassel could overthrow. A rock that can play C or G. A ganja-blazing pass rusher. A beast DE. A freedom lovin’ QB. An Oregonian. A big CB. A bowling ball FB. And best of all……BEEF at NT.
Im flying high….literally.
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
by ArrowDread on May 3, 2011 10:16 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
No "figurative" for you, 'Dread
An Oregonian
Rec’d just for this
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
If you know an Oregonians
you know they are completely different breed
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
especially Portlandians :)
"STOP US!"
"CHIEFS WILL"
by chiefsinchina on May 3, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure if I know any Oregonians
From the sounds of it, I’d know if I did…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
You would know
and you would never forget.
/lived in Oregon for 6+ years
//practically an assimilated Oregonian
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
Right on
That’s how I feel about guys from eastern Montana.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Seems like Pioi drafted
like there would be no free agency
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
I absolutely agree
I hope he still makes at least a move or two when it happens though…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Now we have no glaring needs, though.
So there won’t be any need to even LOOK at any high-priced free agents. Instead, we’ll load up on nice, cheap guys to use as depth..
OR
one or two (somewhat) big names and a ST stud or two?
maybe this year’s FA will be about quality over quantity, unlike some recent years.
A dream would be Franklin (NT) and Harris (RT) along with a Moore/Amendola (Slot WR)
I think it depends on whether Pioli thinks this year or next
Is our year to try and contend
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Every year is a year to contend
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 4, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
the Chiefs and Eagles Super Bowl is happening..
Dick Vermeil calls the game
Bet
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on May 5, 2011 4:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I think we would beat the Eagles
everybody knows how to slow down Vick now
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I have to
bring dogs to the game?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 5, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Everybody knows how, but not everybody has the people.
As long as he has those wheels, he’ll be able to change any game at almost any point in the game. (Down 20 points with 2 minutes to go, not so much.). For all the disrespect I’m giving Dorsey and Smith in the pass rush, I did like the way the KC D (and the front 3, in particular), kept the QB from breaking out between the hashes. They might not get to him (my gripe), but they didn’t break down and let many QBs break OUT.
would of ≠ would've
Great Job MN and rec'd
I loved this draft, at this point, as much as last years. Although I kept changing my mocks, I’ve had Baldwin, Houston and Powe all going to our team in the first 4 rounds. To get all 3 players at some point is higher than I’ve ever hit on any draft and I’m excited about it. We were very successful at filling positions of need and I think we filled them with quality players. In that respect, only time will tell for sure but I’m very satisfied right now.
Me too
You never know with rooks of course, but I look at our roster right now and don’t see a single position that makes me say “oh crap”
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Did the Bailey and Miller picks blind-side you?
Congrats on hitting on Baldwin, Houston and Powe.
would of ≠ would've
Excellent post as always MN
Completely agree that Houston and Powe are perfect and I am very interested to see how Bailey and Miller fit into our scheme as well. Superb talent at a discount, Kiper can keep his grades, we earned an A in my mind.
Again, great read. Rec’d.
2011 hopefuls: A new CBA, followed by a good draft, accented by a great season. In that order.
Also, is it just me or does Bailey look like a freaking beast in that pic?
288lbs and he looks like that? Scary.
2011 hopefuls: A new CBA, followed by a good draft, accented by a great season. In that order.
Watched some of his highlights, holds the point of attack on the line can push the pocket
he looks super athletic, lean, and mean. On tape he looks pretty quick too for being that size. Very interested to see how he’s used and how he performs under Crennel.
2011 hopefuls: A new CBA, followed by a good draft, accented by a great season. In that order.
yep, I am excited to see him rushing the passer from inside
I just really hope they still keep Hali, Gilberry, Smith… it’d be awesome to see that position group STACKED
Hali-Dorsey-Powe-Jackson-Houston
with
Sheffield-Bailey-Smith-Gilberry-Studebaker
Thats a MUCH deeper front 5 with tremendous potential to get after the QB
Thats no joke
we were still lacking last season applying pressure but that seems like it could be a thing of the past. Right with you, can’t wait to see these guys get after it.
2011 hopefuls: A new CBA, followed by a good draft, accented by a great season. In that order.
by shotty
Also, is it just me or does Bailey look like a freaking beast in that pic?
288lbs and he looks like that? Scary.
Now I’m back to 5-tech in my thinking. There might be a shakeup at DE that nobody saw coming.
would of ≠ would've
We can get a 1st round pick in 2012 from a 4-3 team that needs Dorsey
I almost guarantee it.
Jackson is our Warren – is Pioli hoping that Bailey is our Seymour?
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Thanks
We really did get a ton of value picks this draft, after more than a few perceived (at the time) reaches last year.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
yep, I would say KC got tremendous value in 6 of their picks this year (Hudson, Houston, Bailey, Powe, Stanzi, Brown)
and I’m fine with the other 3, because they are physical freaks with a lot of upside (Baldwin, Miller, Bannon)
An interesting observation
Makes you wonder if that isn’t the strategy. Go for upside with a few picks, take value+need with the rest?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
could be... look at prior drafts
in 2009: Jackson was a “safe pick” for need, as was trading a 2nd for Vrabel and Cassel… Brown, Washington, O’Connell were all athletic guys with upside, but considered reaches
in 2010: Berry was the “safe pick” for need, as was Asamoah… Dex was the high upside “reach”
I still don't see Dex as an up-side reach or luxury pick.
I see him as an insurance pick for a team that wasn’t done on OL and were masking it with crazy quicks at halfback. I still see Dex as Jamaal insurance. As it turned out, it was Dex who was banged-up, and Jamaal who lasted all season, but prior to the season, you knew they needed Jamaal to make the running game happen, and they needed an alternative if he were to be injured.
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Agreed
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by chiefsfan62 on May 5, 2011 10:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Amazing on how the draft works.
I wanted Houston, Baldwin, Powe, Hudson, and Stanzi. I was surprised when we drafted these players. Great draft. Glad the Chiefs did their homework. Alot of mocks had Houston in the first, Powe, Baldwin, or Hudson in the second, Stanzi in the fourth,
Now we just need to bring in some good undrafted free agents.
this is the greatest day of my life
Remember Herm?
Funny shit, worth checking out: http://www.chiefscoastbias.com/
Rec'd MN!
I’m a bit behind the news this spring, but glad to be catching up now.
Thanks for the in-depth analysis as always.
Good read and I’m excited to see how the D will shape up now.
Hopin’ for a miracle – full 2011 season!
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
right under the line that says, "I hereby forfeit all future earnings to MNchiefsfan" :)
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Looks like you could use an agent.
What you say? I keep track of your finances, and get 100% (Dont read any contract I might give you. Just sign it.) 10% of whatever you earn. :D
Dear Scott Pioli,
Great job on the 2011 NFL Draft. Now please bring Shaun Smith back for 2011.
by ChiefsFan90s on May 7, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
everything is so well thought out with KC
take Palko. In my opinion, he has 3 big positives/reasons we keep him around
1. preseason reps at QB late in games
2. he can learn our playbook etc, and no one is going to snag him when he goes to the PS
3. He gives us LEFT HANDED reps. Preparing for Tebow twice a season.
there is a plan with all these guys, its just apparent how well they do their jobs…strategy
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
400th!!
nice post once again MN. 400 comments is both a testament to your awesomeness and proof positive chief’s fans love them some D!
aaaand rec’d
Paging Carl the Janitor, Carl the Janitor you're needed in the war room STAT!
Thanks for the 400
that 399 was making my OCD side crazy!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
It's a testament that he replies more to his threads than any other poster...ever
infact a search of MNchiefsfan will show “more than 100 matches” on this page…probably closer to 200
Chiefs Might
by chicks_love_chiefs on May 11, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I should ignore responses to my post.
Then maybe, just maybe, I’ll fulfill my lifelong dream of you thinking I’m cool.
And no way do I have ups beat. I’m willing to go to the mat on this one.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Awesome MN
I notice you have as much success staying on topic of the post as I usually do :)
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 11, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
You've got my back if chicks wants to have a tickle fight, right? Dude seems to have beef, and we've gotta do it...
Wait, I shouldn’t have replied to you! He won’t think I’m cool!
Don’t tell, ok?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Silly silly MN
EVERYONE knows that you do NOT reply to ANYTHING on AP, you should NEVER create a topic that several people are able to debate about
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 12, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Right. It'll never happen again
Crap! Starting now I mean!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on May 12, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Stop ittttttttt
You need a time out!
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 12, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
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