Trade Tamba Hali! Prior to 2010 his highest sack total was 8.5. In 2008 he had a grand total of 3 sacks.
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 3:33 PM CDT
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My feeling is that Tamba Hali's stock could never be higher, he wants a new contract, and he is coming off mutiple injuries. Do any of us think today that trading Jared Allen for Branden Albert and Jamaal Charles was a bad idea? I don't! We just got done drafting 3 potential OLB's in Allen Bailey, Justin Houston, and Gabe Miller. Both Bailey and Houston are faster and stronger than Tamba Hali on paper. Don't get me wrong I love Tamba Hali but, Scott Pioli was brought in to draft. If Tamba Hali would like 12 million a year, lets go find somebody who wants to pay the man! I know Clark Hunt does not want to. I'm pretty sure the Vikings need a new DE to team up with Jared Allen!
Sound off boys and girls!
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Does not translate to wins or on the field. Hali has proven himself and yes he has had injuries. Want to know how many games he has missed in 5 years? Just one! That is just plain tough right there. We need defense if we are going to be a run first team. Hali is our only pass rusher as of now. We would be stupid to trade him if we want to start winning. If we do trade him then we have to hope that our future draft picks are great. We also have to hope that we get a pass rush without Hali. That is a lot of hoping for a team that needs something to happen now.
Jamaal Charles and Tamba Hali...Enough said.
by Chiefsfan85 on May 19, 2011 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
For what?
He must be an imposter from our AFC West foe’s blogs and wants us to get rid of him so they don’t have to worry about him!
"Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical"
-Yogi Berra
Air Wolf?...
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
This has been talked about and caused a lot of controversy here on AP
I think Hali stays for at least another year personally. He may be traded and we’d reap the benefits in the 2012 draft for sure, but at the moment our D has not looked this intimidating since the 90’s (DT days).
I’d argue that our D may be even better than the 90’s if TJax lives up to his potential and the secondary we have. Like to see how these guys work together for a year and then make that decision whether Hali is right.
Pioli could decide sooner than that of course. And the Pats have the picks and the need so it fits. But on paper, if we keep our team together, we look straight killer.
2011 hopefuls: A new CBA, followed by a good draft, accented by a great season. In that order.
I love Tamba Hali
But I love value more! You want to give me 3 dollars next year for 1 dollar today. You just got yourself a deal. Unless your my cousin Jeff. Then no damn deal.
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
we're talking about football players - people, not dollars
and there’s no guarantee that your so-called replacements (Bailey and/or Houston) can do what Hali’s done
sure, if they DO produce like Hali it’s a great “value” but if they don’t it’s no value at all … it would be a net loss for the team
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
And let's face it, 90% of the time rooks don't pan out to even above average starters
Let alone studs.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I take back what I said about trading you and Steve
but Aiken is still “on the block”
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Ha! I haven't gotten to that one yet...
Something to look forward to tomorrow :)
Besides, I’m 26 and only just entering law school. I haven’t even started to peak yet. Terrible time to trade someone with my raw talent and upside…
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by MNchiefsfan on May 19, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, but you're forgetting the coaching staff I've got (aka wife and kids)
Big time motivators who never let me take a day off…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Can ya put it all together?
Be ’’clutch’’?
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Depends on what I'm clutching
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by MNchiefsfan on May 20, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
bah....
Lawyers don’t have an upside.
They ‘settle’ for less than might be able to accomplish for fear of losing or love of money.
=P
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But we seldom lose and end up rich...
I’m not seeing the downside :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Pioli has shown he's not afraid of the franchise tag
Without a monster trade offer, Tamba is staying put for at least 2 years (as long as the new bargaining agreement allows back to back tags). He’s productive, in his prime and the right 53! Chiefs will pay him . . .
Questions...
As a team, how many sacks did we get the year after we traded #69? What rank was our defense at that point against the pass? Did our record reflect our pour pass rush and QB pressure that year? Is Hali old and out of his prime? Does he have off the field issues? Are we in a rebuilding mode? Do we really want to gamble on rookies to fill the position? Is T. Jackson a solid replacement? Answer these questions honestly and you will see that there is absolutely NO good reason in trading Tamba Hali.
Oh fuck me
I get tired of hearing about late round draft picks that barely have shots at making the roster, let alone replacing Pro-Bowl caliber starter’s. My favorite are the Cameron Sheffield posts. Dude hasn’t even stepped onto a football field and most folks around here talk like he’s the second coming of DeMarcus Ware. Temper your expectations people. Allen Bailey? Not expecting more than what Alex Magee contributed. Remind me, where is he now? Gabe Miller? I’ll go as far as to say dude won’t even be a Chief come 2012. Justin Houston? The only player on the Chiefs projected roster that has a shot at replacing Hali – and there’s a strong chance he won’t even play the same position.
Tamba Hali is NOT Jarred Allen. Flipping a 4th rounder who wouldn’t re-sign with us anyway for a 1st & a 3rd was smart. Trading the team’s best player and quite possibly the league’s best pass rusher when we have nobody to replace him? That’s stupid.
#91 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on May 19, 2011 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Trading the team’s best player and quite possibly the league’s best pass rusher when we have nobody to replace him? That’s stupid.
Exactly – now, I have brought up the idea that if Houston shows Haley and Pioli that he can give them similar production at that spot the Chiefs might try to trade Hali after 2011 (or more likely 2012, after franchising Hali again). That being said, I don’t think that will happen…I think Pioli will work out a long term deal – it’s the message he has been sending since he came…you keep your finances in such a state that you can afford to keep the guys you develop. if Houston does end up as a guy that can rush the QB nearly as well as Hali, I think we keep them both – that value that pairing would bring on the field would be priceless.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I think Jamaal is the team's best player
Hali is close though
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 20, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
eric berry is the team's best player
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Honestly, I am more tired of the complaining about it
I am one who have posted about what sheffield can bring to our nickel packages….special teams units that were less than mediocre last year…
how does that equal saying hes a pro bowl player? Ive yet to see people saying such things, Ive just seen others wonder where this belief in sheffield comes from. He HAS stepped onto a football field, and in the limited preseason time showed he at least could contribute a bit…it sure beats the “on paper” arguments, and quite frankly isnt fair to lump all people who say things about sheffield into a group calling him a “pro bowler” and singing his praises
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
fuck me too
They Royals are so terrible because they get good players and then trade them away for more players/picks. The reason you get good players is to play them. Tamba’s got many years of terror left in him. He’s a Cheif. We should want to preserve that situation, not end it.
You could fill a major league roster
of all the prospects that came into the league w/ the Royals only to go on to better teams and make names for themselves. Having the ability to scout talent don’t mean shit if you can’t develop it. It’s like who wants to be the former highschool sweetheart of a super model? Not me thanks, I’d rather be the first douchebag that got her pregnant than the first douchebag to get into her pants.
#91 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on May 19, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I was with you until the super model bit
I don’t get it. I’d rather get into her pants at any time then to get her pregnant. The former is more fun.
Never get a girl pregnant.
Bad idea. Always! Tamba Hali had 3 sacks in 2008
by James Michael Simpson on May 20, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Tamba Hali also played defensive end in a 4-3 in 2008. For a different coordinator under a different head coach.
It was also his first year as the sole pass rushing threat after the departure of Jarred Allen (he had something like 15 sacks his two previous years). And I can’t emphasize enough just how much he really was the sole pass rushing threat on the team. He was the only guy opposing teams had to account for.
So in his 5 year career he’s had exactly 1 bad season. And don’t try to downplay is 2009 campaign either just because he didn’t hit double digit sacks. He was learning how to play a totally new position in a totally new scheme on the fly and under the tutelage of our incredibly mediocre defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast. Despite all of that, he still lead the league in QB pressures (remember, you don’t have to get the sack to have a positive effect on the play – rushed throws are usually bad throws). Because of his 2009 season, many people selected Hali before the 2010 season as a potential breakout player. And sure enough, he proceeded to lead the conference in sacks, while still regularly pressuring the passer even on the plays where he didn’t get the quarterback on the turf. And he did all that despite still not having another legitimate pass rusher to help take the pressure off of him.
Now the defense is finally coming into its own under Romeo Crennel, we’ve finally grabbed some complimentary pass rushers who aren’t Wallace Gilberry to help Hali out, and you want to trade him just because it worked out well for us with Jared Allen? One successful trade doesn’t mean you’re supposed to dump off your elite pass rushers every time you find one. Besides, Jarred Allen was a D.U.I. machine who flat out refused to re-sign, and the Chiefs were a terrible team that desperately needed draft picks to help build the core of the team. Hali is a model citizen, he wants to play here, and we now have the core of the team in place and in a position to win. The two situations are entirely different.
"If you really want to shatter a backboard, tell it it's adopted." - Norm MacDonald
To call Pendergast mediocre
Is an insult to mediocre people all over the world
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on May 22, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well I didn't want to be too harsh...
Plus I figure he gets a little credit for the Cards’ defense toughening up on their playoff run a couple of years ago. Then again, if they’d been a little tougher, they might have been able to stop Santonio Holmes at the end of the Super Bowl.
"If you really want to shatter a backboard, tell it it's adopted." - Norm MacDonald
Yeah, remember that GB game?
I think it was more their offense being unstoppable than anything else…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Wasn't that playoff game against Green Bay game the year after he departed?
I’m pretty sure he was with us by then. Hell, we might have already fired him by that point.
"If you really want to shatter a backboard, tell it it's adopted." - Norm MacDonald
Haha good call, my mistake :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I think he did OK with what he had to work with.
I’m sure happy with RAC, but I don’t think Pendergast is a bad DC, at all.
would of ≠ would've
Check out how ARI did the year after he left
They gave up almost a full TD less per game with a virtually identical roster.
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by MNchiefsfan on May 22, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh. That's like blaming a president for the economy he inherits and no credit for the economy he leaves behind.
I liked the way Pendergast schemed that Arizona defense, and I liked the way the players responded to him and/or Whisenhunt. I think Crennel’s pretty special, but I think they turned the corner on d-line play with Pleasant under Pendergast.
Blah blah blah. It’ll be cool to watch Gailey and Pendergast put through their paces in Game 1.
would of ≠ would've
They changed their scheme when he left
So the economic analogy doesn’t work. After all, would you give a president credit for a significantly improved economy if his successor first overhauled the entire system before it got better?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
That's the point, MN.
The amount of “overhaul” a president can manage is limited and the amount of time it takes for positive/negative ramifications to kick in usually lags their tenure by a few years. The rest is public perception and the blame game.
I’m contrary on ’most all this kind of thing, seeing different cause-and-effect than the majority of observers. DCs, QBs, presidents. We always are down on them (or up on them) for all the wrong reasons, because of the limited facts we have.
would of ≠ would've
No offense, but I disagree
When a system is revamped and a different guy is calling the plays, the results are instantaneous.
He leaves Arizona, and with a basically identical defensive roster they give up almost a TD less per game the next year.
He leaves KC, and with the only major changes being at S we give up almost a TD less per game.
The guy is a bad defensive coordinator, as evidenced by the teams he’s coaching giving up a lot of points, then mysteriously getting better when he leaves.
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by MNchiefsfan on May 23, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you notice how their D started improving during Pendy's last season?
Did it occur to you that some of the things he did were instrumental in their success the following year? Does it occur to you that he presided over a painful transition that entailed starting a rookie d-lineman, a new role for his best d-lineman?
There’s at least one outfit (Buffalo) who think you’re wrong. That doesn’t mean I’m right. I just think it’s easy to look at a few things and make sweeping judgements about a good man. I try not to make those kinds of judgements.
would of ≠ would've
The defense improved under Pendy during the season?
I beg to differ. The whippings by DEN and SD, as well as the shootout loss to CLE, were all late in the year.
How do you explain the Cardinals improvement once he left? Is it just a wild coincidence that this happened to him not once, but twice?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Maybe I misremember. I do remember liking the style of play
when I started taking notice of ’em that year. But some brain cells are stirring, seeming to remember their backing into the playoffs.
I’m not trying to sell you on his being great. But you’re not going to convince me to throw him under the bus, either. I had a sense of what kind of talent KC had(n’t) when he was here, and it’s easy to scapegoat the one guy by looking at superficial measures, when there were other things going on (maybe only in my mind, but maybe your mind is oversimplifying the question, too).
would of ≠ would've
Oh I'll convince you all right
And my mind is ALWAYS oversimplifying, thank you very much…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Royals were a bad example
When you are terrible, it’s good to trade talent for prospects…it’s how you get better in the future. Now Royals have one of the majors best systems and will be good in a year or 2
Chiefs were in the playoffs and should be ready to win today.
by craig in calgary on May 19, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Broken record
They’ve been saying the same thing about the Royals since the early 90’s. Time will tell. In the meantime ain’t nobody holding their breath
#91 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on May 19, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Now Royals have one of the majors best systems and will be good in a year or 2
If (and that’s a BIG ‘if’ since it would mean breaking a long-standing pattern) they decide to pay the price required to actually retain some of the guys who grow into stars…
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Why do we want to trade all our best players?
I don’t care what we get for guys like Bowe, Hali, Dorsey etc etc. We are ready to win now, we should be trading for assets, not trading them away.
We want to build through the draft, but soon as they turn good, want to trade them away. Perpetually rebuilding…no thanks
by craig in calgary on May 19, 2011 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Can we trade Mays?
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we could trade him to the Saskatchewan Roughriders for Wes Cates and Darian Durant.
by craig in calgary on May 19, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Well we shouldn't be looking at trading our best/core players
which I do agree with
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
It works for the Patriots
Your 2010 Royals Review Fantasy Football Keeper League Champion
Since 2006: Royals win% = .4218, Chiefs win% = .3625
by averagegatsby on May 19, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Does it?
When they went on their SB Run, it was with largely the same core of players.
Plus/minus a couple WR’s/RB’s
by craig in calgary on May 19, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen!
I’m tired of people saying we ought to flip proven players for picks because it’s the Patriot Way.
First of all, that Seymour trade maybe cost them a SB. Second of all, they’ve been good consistently because of Tom Brady. And finally, there’s a big difference between trading a guy who is above 30 or a decent player wanting elite money vs. trading a 28 year old elite pass rusher in his absolute prime when you’re ready to compete and your D has a shot at being elite…
Wow that was a lot to say in one sentence. Stil true though///
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thank you!
can we do things the Kansas City Way now?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
There is no reason it can't happen
we’ll have the defensive talent to do it, we just have to execute
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On a completely different note
“Hold on to the night” by Richard Marx is a fantastic song.
♫♫ HOLD ON TOOOO THE NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT….HOLD ON TO THE MEMOOOOOOOOOOOOOORIIEEEEEEESSSSSS ♫♫
by craig in calgary on May 19, 2011 5:08 PM CDT reply actions
if craig is singing I'm moving further away from Canada
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
you're thinking Karl, not Richard
no relation to Groucho
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
yes! trade Tamba Hali! and while we're at it, we should trade Jamaal Charles, Tony Moeaki and Eric Berry, too!
we need to trade ALL of our best players IMMEDIATELY so that poor Clark Hunt doesn’t have to pay them … that should be what we always do, find the best talent and trade them away as soon as possible! screw winning games, forget championships … trade the players while they’re still worth something!
makes perfect sense to me!
/sarcasm
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Notices:
Bowe, Albert, Cassel, Flowers, Carr, Dorsey were not listed as our best players
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
trage 'em all!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Except for Tjax!!!!!!
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ship 'em all out, they have talent ... let's get something for them before they're all over the hill
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
While we are at it
Do we trade off the best posters on here? Maybe get a new logo for AP?
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Steve, MNchiefsfan, Aiken ...
… Chris, Joel …
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
you, mills, kray(Wherever he went)
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
now wait, I contribute on Special Teams ...
besides, I’m a “package deal” with NJ and you can’t trade him … there wouldn’t be anything for Joel to blog about
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
But I'm all for a new logo
I’d been a member of the site for over a year before I realized that screwed up football was supposed to be cut into an Arrow Head Shape.
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ha!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Well you already put Joel up for trade
Maybe Joel and NJ will be split up and no matter what NJ writes Joel won’t blog about it
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
... and we can get Patrick Allen back!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Well now theres any idea!
Trade RAWRKC for Patty?
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
NOW YOU"RE TALKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE’LL EVER HAVE ANY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE BLOGGING IN THE FUTURE IS TO GET pATRICK BACK ON BOARD, AND CUTTING AIKEN AND REHIRING OUR FRIEND KCPORKCHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Your Baaaaad
Aiken is awesome
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 19, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
hey 85, where you been hiding out?
doing well, my friend … hope you are, too!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
ha!
well, the OP author DID say to “sound off” … like any of us NEED an invitation
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Really..
Dozen’s of great pass rushers get drafted each year, many are busts, some become starters, a very few become top notch. But Tamba has a pro-bowl season, leads the AFC in sacks, and becomes a model player and leader for the team, not to mention the Kansas City community…So yeah, let’s trade him!!
How do you know that Hunt does not want to pay him?
Where do you get your inside information?
an internet source
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by Chiefs_swagger on May 19, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe it was based on some mathematical formula ...
… like the one that says the world is ending Saturday
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Oh crap, we just got two days left?
What to do, what to do…….
reelax, dan ... the rapture is only for the righteous and pure
… WE aren’t going anywhere
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My Mom would be so pissed
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 19, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently that pastor missed the part of the Bible
Where Jesus says no one knows the day or the hour…
Or was there an asterisk there that said “except ol’ whatshisname”?
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Speak for yourself
I have a nice spot reserved for my corpse.
I’m gonna be buried ass up in the local park, so people have someplace to park their bikes.
And I’m going to be reincarnated as a ladies bicycle seat.
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Fat chicks that sweat a lot ride bikes too.
He better hope he’s lucky.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
Oh totally!!
Let’s trade Bowe, Charles, Berry, and Flowers too!
Their good for at least eight more 1st round picks! Surely we’ll be Super Bowl contenders then!
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by Chiefs_swagger on May 19, 2011 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Love this response
Dear Scott Pioli,
Great job on the 2011 NFL Draft. Now please bring Shaun Smith back for 2011.
by ChiefsFan90s on May 19, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Im in favor of trading just about anybody if the price is right...
But, Im not sure I agree with your reasoning.
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the real problem is that the OP doesn't make use of all caps and exclamation marks, and therefore cannot be taken seriously by any TRUE Chiefs fan
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I love Tamba Hali
But I love value more! You want to give me 3 dollars next year for 1 dollar today. You just got yourself a deal. Unless your my cousin Jeff. Then no damn deal.
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 7:11 PM CDT reply actions
Another couple of years and you can get yourself an extra value meal
….
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
value ... the same comment twice?
I love Tamba Hali
But I love value more! You want to give me 3 dollars next year for 1 dollar today. You just got yourself a deal. Unless your my cousin Jeff. Then no damn deal.
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 6:10 PM MDT up reply
I love Tamba Hali
But I love value more! You want to give me 3 dollars next year for 1 dollar today. You just got yourself a deal. Unless your my cousin Jeff. Then no damn deal.
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 6:11 PM MDT reply
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Just to clarify
I love Tamba Hali
But I love value more! You want to give me 3 dollars next year for 1 dollar today. You just got yourself a deal. Unless your my cousin Jeff. Then no damn deal.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on May 19, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
clear as mud! ;-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Really?
It gets annoying hearing about how we should always trade away our best players for future picks. How are we ever suppose to win a champsionship if we just keep on trading our talent for future picks in hopes that we can win a championship; only to trade away the talent we get with those future picks in hopes that we can win a championship in the future.
Eventually, we need to hold onto our own talent that can actually help us win a championship and reap the benefits of developing our own talent instead of shipping them off once they enter their prime to the highest bidder.
Dear Scott Pioli,
Great job on the 2011 NFL Draft. Now please bring Shaun Smith back for 2011.
What orignal ideas do you boys have?
?
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 8:02 PM CDT reply actions
here's an idea ...
… let Pioli run the damn team, that’s what Hunt hired him to do
but if you’re such a whiz kid at this, maybe you should apply to be GM for some team … maybe Oakland, I hear Al Davis is looking to groom someone as his replacement
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on May 19, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Deal!
When’s the job open up? I want to give my 2 weeks notice. Lighten up! This is for fun right?
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh obviously you havn't been on here much
Trading Hali is not an original idea either…
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
dbld and JMS are both Joel??
just fishing for hot topics to get clicky-clicks?
things that make you go hmmm….
Paging Carl the Janitor, Carl the Janitor you're needed in the war room STAT!
I'm Santa Claus
Just thought I’d throw that out there
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
you owe me a kit car from knight rider back from 1988
Paging Carl the Janitor, Carl the Janitor you're needed in the war room STAT!
by chiefsinchina on May 19, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
he's lying: there is no Santa Claus
… I know this because the Easter Bunny told me so
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on May 19, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pshht ask the Easter Bunny now
Who do you think is pulling the sleigh now that Rudolph is gone?
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
oh THAT was where you got that "special barbeque" meat from ...
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
THAT bbq was from
well I better not disclose that information just yet
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah about that...
the kids that were making it in China stole it from me.. and Rudolph
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
they stole rudolph or rudolph helped them steal it?
this is the most important question i’ll ask all day….
Paging Carl the Janitor, Carl the Janitor you're needed in the war room STAT!
by chiefsinchina on May 19, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
no, the most important question you can ask is ...
“who are those kids and where are they right now so I can hunt them down and kill them?”
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
oh but i know that, (looks out office window) there there and there and over there....
still doesn’t get me a talking fucking car :(
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by chiefsinchina on May 19, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
they're there**
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by chiefsinchina on May 19, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
so hire some kid and shove him in the glovebox
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Wait?
You have a WINDOW in your office?!!!?
jealous
I have a beautiful view of the garbage dumpster every time the back door next to my plywood board mounted on L-brackets to the wall swings open.
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google "shanghai pollution" and you'll get an idea how awesome my view is....
now the chick sitting across from me is a different story all together ;)
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by chiefsinchina on May 19, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
The kids stole it from me
Then Rudolph stole it from the kids and flew away :(
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Joel only fishes at the NJChiefsfan pond in the morning, then hits the Josh Looney Bait Shop in the afternoon
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by upamtn on May 19, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ziing
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by chiefsinchina on May 19, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
TRADE PIOLI!!
Surely we could get a cheaper GM that we could groom up and trade eventually too!
Paging Carl the Janitor, Carl the Janitor you're needed in the war room STAT!
you could be on to something here
trade Hunt for the owner of the Barcelona Bobcats, trade Hayley for some Div II asst coach … man, talk about value!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
VALUE!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHH!!!
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pretty sure we franchised him no?
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by chiefsinchina on May 19, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
but the franchise tag was applied pre-"no cba"
so like other contracts i’m thinking its still valid
someone else help me here….
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by chiefsinchina on May 19, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Its a part of the Anti-trust lawsuit the players filed
That is why the owners have the players locked out right now. If the players win the law suite there is no such thing as a franchise player.
i'm no expert, and you may be right. can we get someone else to weigh in on this.
also you’re comment was super suite dude :)
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by chiefsinchina on May 19, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
can't view the link, mind quoting the important bit for me?
(stupid Great Firewall….)
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by chiefsinchina on May 19, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Here you go......................
3. Declaring that the NFL Defendants imposition of other anticompetitive restrictions, including the Salary Cap, “Franchise Player” designation, “Transition Player” designation, and/or other player restrictions, violate Section 1 of the Sherman Act, and enjoining said restrictions;
The players listed 13 items that they were wanting as a remedy to the lawsuit filed. This is just one of the items.
yeah but is this for the future?
my understanding is it wouldn’t be retro-active
ugh… too lazy to look it up myself.
in any case… i remain firm in my belief we should keep him unless the deal of the century comes along. i want to win NOW!
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by chiefsinchina on May 19, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I want to keep him too, but
No, if the players win the lawsuit it would take effect immediately. I did however look it up, but you feel free to believe whatever you want.
Hopefully the end result will be a new CBA that will allow for the “franchise tag”. This however is not a given and Hali’s status as a Chief is very much in limbo.
one good reason i guess the players aren't winning any lawsuits
this will get done in mediation period.
ugh…. back to the mavs game…
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by chiefsinchina on May 19, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, in mid Feb
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So now that everyone agrees that we should tradeTamba Hail....
What should be do next? Trade up and draft Andrew Luck in 2012!
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 9:11 PM CDT reply actions
I'm in
Cassel sucks, maybe we can a 1st rounder for him tooooo
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 19, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I would trade Hali for a 1 and 2 next year.
I would take a top qb with the first one and a top rb or cb with the 2nd 1. We still have 2 seconds which could be olb , safety or wide receiver. The Chiefs don’t want to pay big money, they want to make big $$$$$$$$. James dad
Is Hali worth 12 mil a year?
I’m not sure.
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 9:49 PM CDT reply actions
I can't either.
My worry is you pay him 12 a year for 5 years and get 3 good years out of the deal.
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
since contracts aren't generally "guaranteed" what difference does it make?
it’s a contract to pay ONLY if the guy makes the team, etc … the team almost always has a back door clause to get out of the back end of the contract if the player unerachieves
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Good point Ups...
But considering who we have to re-sign and how much Hali might count against the cap… I can see us having to move him. I just can see us be able to re-sign:
1) Flowers: If he stays healthy this year (he had a bad hammy from the mid part of the season) he will likely have an amazing year and may ask for top CB money.
2) Carr: He’s in line for a re-up and if plays this year like he did in the swcond half of last year… he can also command top dollar
3) Bowe: 70 rec, 995 yrds – 86 rec, 1022 yrds – and 72 rec, 1162 yrds. He’s a known commodity and an ascending player.
4) Hali: We all know he’s a monster and does what he’s asked to do and does it very well. He’s making the transition from deffensive system and position and looks like he’s coming into he prime. He also played with torn muscles in his shoulder and feet.
The question is who or if anyone is going to leave money on the table the way Charles did. Other wise … Well, with all the ways we are going to have to divi up the $$, imho Tamba or Carr should be the ones shipped out. We just can’t support that many big contracts, that’s why you build through the draft to begin with.
"Evil is the result of what happens when a man does not have God's love present in his heart" - Albert Einstein
At the same time Dorsey's new contract will be smaller(more than likely)
Which will help cap space. It’s not always about the total $. Look at Charles and DJ last year, smaller contracts but unlike most contracts they should be able to see every dollar. It’s not like Fat Albert’s 100M contract with so many different things he has to do to see the full amount.
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 21, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I hear you....
But I guess the point I was trying to make is that unless these guys are willing to take less money than what they would likely be able to command on the open market, it would be unlikely or impossible for us to re-sign them all. If your Pioli, I think you’re trying to get a read as to who you think will follow in Charles and DJs footsteps and take less than what they might have gotten or if (like Hali) you try to get top dollar and hope the team signs you to a big contract or at least puts the Franchise tag on you. In that scenario, I reluctantly say trade Tamba. There’s no doubting his skils, but I think you can send a message to the rest of the team that says “If you put the team first and make your contract extensions something that both you and that team can live with, we’ll keep you. But if you try to hardball, we’ll trade you”. It sucks and I would rather we hang onto our best players, but the last thing I want is to be like the raiders. A team that has some talent and is ready to make a push, but they’re so close to the cap that they can’t even re-sign their own Free Agents and is probably looking at having to rebuild their squad again.
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It's not really less money when you think about it
Yes Charles got a what 32M contract? He is more likely to see every dollar of that rather than a 100M contract. Even the huge contracts are laced with bonus’s that most players will never see they sound huge but usually are reasonable.
Say Hali’s contract averages out to 12M a year, then there are bonus’s in there for say making the Pro Bowl, getting x amount of sacks, etc. In reality he may only get 8-10 of the 12
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 21, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
But how much of that bonus structure counts against the cap and will Hali be willing to take it?
Will Hali accept a deal heavily structured with incentives? And how will those incentives count against the cap? That’s the multi-million dollar question. With the newest draft editions to the defense, I can’t see how Hali (if healthy) can’t have an even better year in 2011. I think Powe is going to, at the very least, add a dimension of depth at the NT position that we sorely lacked at the end of last year when our run defense fell off. Houston comes from a system VERY similar to what we run and was coached by a DC that is very familiar with Crennel, his methods and what he asks from the SOLB position. He was also already able to succesfuly make the DE to SOLB transition and comes in as a known pass rushing threat. TJax will come into the season healthy and we already know that (when healthy) he regularly and consistantly commands and sustains double teams. So with all that in mind, I don’t see a scenario where Hali can’t have an even better season than last meaning that he should hit most, if not all of his incentives… so again, how do incentives count against that cap and will Hali be willing to accept that type of contract. That’s the real question. If encentives don’t count dollar-for-dollar against the cap and he’s willing to take that offer, then I say heck yeah!!! Re-sign the guy!! But if he’s looking for a contract structure that is something that may hamstring this team in a year or two, then ship him out..
"Evil is the result of what happens when a man does not have God's love present in his heart" - Albert Einstein
Houston would be more of a WOLB on our defense due to the fact he is a rusher
Who more than likely we will ask to be a SOLB since he already has the experience standing up as mentioned.
Believe at the end of the year is when he would get a check for reaching the extra incentives which will hit the cap at the end of the year not during the year or beginning so it shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
I do believe Hali wants to be a Chief(he and his agent have even said as much) and I don’t believe he will ask for a 10000000000000000billion dollar contract
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 21, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Incentives
“Likely to be reached” incentives are assumed to be reached and count towards the cap right away. If they aren’t reached, the team gets a credit towards next years cap. I’m less sure about “unlikely to be reached” incentives, but I think that if earned, they would count against the following years cap.
Did not know that thanks
I figured the base salary would be paid out during the season then at the end of the season the bonuses would be added up into one big check
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 23, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol not this again
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Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
oh, but this is an "original idea" doncha know
from above …
What orignal ideas do you boys have?
?
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 7:02 PM MDT reply actions
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Smile
You are my 125 post in less than 7 hours.
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 10:07 PM CDT reply actions
strong work
add it to your portfolio
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by Chiefs_swagger on May 19, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
give yourself a pat on the back
… and let me know when you hit 500 or so …
honestly, I didn’t know it was about keeping track of the number of comments, but rather the QUALITY of the comments and conversation
forgive me for my ignorance on the “rules of the blogosphere” … now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to pursuits other than being a number in your little game of “count the comments”
goodbye
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I have well over 3000 comments
But only 4 of them can be considered ‘quality’ the rest of them are just arguing with you, replying to Steve, and bitching about all the off season mock drafts
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Why so serious ups?
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by MNchiefsfan on May 20, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
admit it, you knew this was coming
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by Texas Chief on May 20, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I did.
Rec
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by MNchiefsfan on May 20, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
When Tamba Hali gets hurt!
All of you are going to wish we traded Tamba for a first and 3rd!
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 10:10 PM CDT reply actions
Hali lead the AFC in sacks while playing injured almost the whole season last year
Why would we wish we traded him?
How many of these trade Hali, Dorsey, DBowe and move Albert from LT posts are there going to be? It’s the same shit everytime.
by ChiefDailyBaked on May 19, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That's just wrong.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on May 19, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He is a warrior....
But look at Elvis Dumervil, plays great gets paid…. Drum role please…… Then he gets hurt and sits out the season.
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol that's your argument?
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by ChiefWarPaint on May 19, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Tamba Hali
Has had only 1 season where he had over 8.5 sacks. When did this man become Peyton Manning or Tom Brady!
by James Michael Simpson on May 20, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
The difference is
His true position is OLB, and he was wasted at the DE position.
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by ChiefWarPaint on May 20, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Most likely.
But he might do a Freeney or Mathis imitation in the properly built and coached 4-3, especially if there’re points coming from the offensive side. A D that’s not afraid of being burnt, because it’ll trade turnovers for big plays with the offense, like a card-counter will trade blackjacks with lots of face cards ‘n’ aces in the deck. Just have Hali change-up with the inside angle, and be burned against the run when he guesses wrong, same as Freeney.
KC was close to having that kind of D, backed by a potent offense, during DV’s time. Not quite enough D and not quite enough deep threat, although Kennison did pretty good. Maybe if they could’ve come up and jammed a bit more, they’d’ve had better answers to precise passers, like Manning…
would of ≠ would've
Meh
I still contend he was wasted at the 4-3 RE position, why his sack output is what it is.
Standing up and being allowed to use his motor to the fullest extent, he’s been a monster since the beginning.
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by ChiefWarPaint on May 21, 2011 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
How dare you "Meh" ME! Heh.
There’s not that big a difference in the job descriptions, and Hali didn’t spend a whole lotta time at RDE, since Allen got that sweet job and Hali “got to” hold up the strong side.
I might have my dates wrong, but I don’t think Gunther ever found a DT who really clogged up the middle. And I’ll stand by the claim that a D that was built to facilitate a ’tweener, rather than wanting LB speed and bookend DE stout. And they played pretty soft behind that, wanting LBs who played like safeties (and weighed about the same).
I will agree he was a waste at LDE (where they stuck him), the way that D was built. I’m just not sold on him not being able to play that RDE spot quite well on a better team.
would of ≠ would've
By that argument
We shouldn’t have extended JC or DJ, or sign Berry for long term…
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by MNchiefsfan on May 20, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Team Friendly Deals....
Neither player is being paid 12 mil a year.
by James Michael Simpson on May 20, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
And if Tamba sets the bar at franchise-type money,
that’s what they’ll have to pay anybody who brings an impact. I think Hali will do right by the team, but he might be able to get more, and maybe even from a team willing to part with draft picks. Who knows? I don’t think it’s very likely that Hali will be unreasonable, though.
would of ≠ would've
That's the going rate for elite pass rushers
Unless you want to settle for “OK” pass rushers, that’s what you’re gonna have to pay.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
That, or throw lotsa picks @ 'tweeners.
And the Chiefs are doing just that.
I think a guy like Tamba buys in to the program, and the program is SB contention. I think Pioli can sell that idea better than Carl Peterson ever could.
Ironically, holding the line and keeping your eye on contention means not blinking in negotiations with a few superstars and not bullying the rank-and-file. I think King Carl made both mistakes.
would of ≠ would've
Two questions -
1. Is Tamba under contract? (my understanding is – NO)
2. How do you trade a player who is not under contract?
More than likely...
Chiefs will let Tamba play out the year then, figure out if he is worth the money or trade him.
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
The Chiefs Tag'd him.
I’m not an expert on the rules but, he is under team control for 2011 – 2012 season.
by James Michael Simpson on May 19, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
It may not matter
The franchise player tag is a part of the CBA. Currently there is no CBA. The franchise tag and free agent restrictions violate Anti-trust laws. The only reason the NFL has been allowed to have these is because of the CBA. The resolution to the mess may be a new CBA and it may or may not include the ability to designate a franchise player. Right now I believe Hali’s status is in limbo.
Exactly
All this talk of a player that isn’t even under contract is just silly. I’ve been saying from the start of the lockout that there are alot of big assumptions that Tamba will be back with the team in 2011, along with Carr and Richardson. Obviously, the original post assumes we franchise tag him, but unfortunately, our only options may be to either sign him long term, which we definitely won’t trade him then, or let him walk.
Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!
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by RememberDelaney37 on May 20, 2011 6:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ummm....
Scott Pioli was brought in to draft
I do believe Pioli was brought in to make us contenders year after year. If the Chiefs want to win a super bowl you don’t trade away the pieces once you finally realize what you have.
Do any of us think today that trading Jared Allen for Branden Albert and Jamaal Charles was a bad idea?
Yes we got some great value for Allen but there are 2 things not mentioned, he didn’t want to play for Peterson. Our D was a sad sorry state after he left with no pass rushing threat and we went on to set the record for fewest sacks in a season by a team. Not a record I want.
I prefer to keep Hali, become a dominate top 5 defense and win multiple championships.
This dudes prediction...
They sign the defenders and trade or let the wide out walk. Easier to find a proven FA wide out than it is a pass rusher
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by ChiefWarPaint on May 20, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really proven before last years big year
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
But you can find Pass Rusher in the FA
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by ChiefWarPaint on May 20, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Can but then again you can always overpay and not get the production
You can pick a Pass Rusher out of UDFA and strike gold.. all of that can be said about any position as well.
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Can but then again you can always overpay and not get the production
For some reason Chris Chambers rings a bell.
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by ChiefWarPaint on May 20, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why I said it can be said about any position
I see no point in trading Hali then ATTEMPTING to fill his shoes with an unknown. A new draft pick(from this year or from the picks we could get for Hali) or a FA DE trying to switch to OLB.
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't either
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Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 20, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If they decide to let only one of our FA's go
Out of Flowers, Hali, Carr, and Bowe, I’d be the least upset to see Bowe go. Although I like him as a player, I think we’ve got a shot at a dominant D if we keep this core together (especially that secondary).
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by MNchiefsfan on May 20, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm.
6 of one, half-dozen the other. Hopefully all my faves come back, including DBowe.
would of ≠ would've
That'd be nice
To be perfectly honest, I feel like we have a core in place that is a SB contender, given our young players who haven’t yet peaked and the additions we’ve made. We were what, about 30 million under the salary cap?
DJ’s new contract isn’t taking up much more money than his first was (which was a first rounder contract), and JC’s contract has already had 8 million of the 27 million paid out from what I understand (initial roster bonus, which explains his tweets on buying a new car). So he’s only costing us about 3 million a year during his contract.
So we’re still sitting with roughly 27 million in cap space under the 2009 cap level, which is without a doubt lower than whatever they’ll come up with. And although some players will be due more money, Cassel is due a great deal less over the next few years which balances that out.
All told, we’ve got plenty of money to re-sign every single one of our core guys and still get a FA or two to upgrade a position like ILB, RB, RT, WR, or NT.
The question is will Clark pony up? I’m hoping Pioli can make him understand how close we are and how vital it is to keep your own guys.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I don't see it as a question of Clark ponying-up.
I think the real key is to develop the draftees, and pay them, rather than punking them, a lot like what happened with Jamaal Charles. After watching KC coaching for years, I think the current crew (and hopefully the guys coming up) “get it,” and the players know they’re in a good situation. Marty was great, but he was a kook. I think DV was great, but I think Gunther undermined him both on purpose and by being a George Patton wannabe. You knew a position group was gonna suck whenever he made it a cause.
Players know when coaches have it together. Players don’t mind tough standards, if they’re evenly applied, and I think this coaching staff treats everybody the same. Some coaches, like Bill Cowher (and Marty and Gunther) preach getting the most out of guys by knowing what buttons to push. Coaches like Haley preach getting players who respond to tough but fair treatment. Period. I think you keep good people in a system like that, because just getting snaps is a real reason to take pride. Doesn’t matter if you’re a star athlete, if you’re not practicing the way they want to see you play. None of this “Randy Moss doesn’t stretch” bullshit.
would of ≠ would've
I agree with all that
My only point was that Clark has yet to pay out a large payroll. Now it seems like he trusts Pioli and is willing to pay when Pioli wants (like Cassel, DJ, and JC). So hopefully that’s how it goes.
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by MNchiefsfan on May 22, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think there's any question about Clark being willing to pony up.
I’d bet that ownership makes a lot more by winning playoff games than by being way below the salary cap. This is Lamar’s boy we’re talkin’ about.
And if KC becomes a consistent winner, more players will be recognized (more Pro Bowls) and more players will be worth more. I don’t think ANY one player deserves to be the top-paid at his position until he sports a SB ring. When KC is up near the top 5 teams, then maybe it’s time for them to be close to the cap. And even THEN, I’d be spreadin’ it out amongst the up-and-comers in the rank-and-file, and if my star player(s) don’t understand that, then my team is better off without one of THEM.
would of ≠ would've
Again, I agree with everything you're saying
But until Clark gets us closer to 30 million below the cap I shall remain unsure.
I believe we have the core in place to compete for a SB (seriously, I do). So if we have to get relatively near the cap to keep who we have (with perhaps one major addition), then that’s what has to be done in my mind.
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by MNchiefsfan on May 22, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they're in solid position to retain the guys they want to retain
And who knows what kind of bloodbath might ensue when/if FA hits. Hell, I’ve got my eye on Asomugha, for that matter. We aren’t so far apart. Glad you’re making the points you’re making.
would of ≠ would've
It would be way too confusing to have Asomugha and Asomoah on the same team.
Even if they play different sides of the ball.
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by MtHammer on May 23, 2011 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Asomugha will require a huge payday
Of course, Carr might too… if we only had to pay a couple of million extra per year for him, I’d do it!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Chiefs can front-load a FA or two.
It hasn’t been their PATTERN, but part of setting a pattern of conservatism is that it allows you to go for the throat when the time is right. Like bluffing in poker. You can’t bluff if you’re bettin’ big on crap hands all day long. You fold a lot, bet big only with a strong hand, and then bet big on ONE crap hand.
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Exactly
Given the fact that our FA’s aren’t going to come due all at once, we have a ton of options on how to keep them and still spend money.
I may have to do a fanpost about this at some point.
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by MNchiefsfan on May 23, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
When you begin to think that any player is more important than the team as a whole, you are promoting mediocrity. This is the same mentality that destroyed the Chiefs more than once. Everyone complains about Vermiel letting the chiefs get old, but how many fans wanted to see Shields or Roaf traded off for either picks or younger players? And if we go back to the super bowl years, trading lennie or any of the guys of that era would have brought huge fan discontent. I don’t much like Pioli, but I think if he wants to trade Hali for good value, I say if it helps the team advance then do it.
How can you not like Pioli?
The man turned a bs team into a contender in less than 3 years! Trade Tamba Hali for mutiple pieces makes all the since in the world.
by James Michael Simpson on May 20, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Jim has hated every draft Pioli's done for us
Including last year’s.
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by MNchiefsfan on May 20, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't want to see Hali go, but
I do agree that no player is above being traded. If we had Payton on our team, I might be inclined to change my thinking. Every player has a value and if someone is willing to offer you more than a player is worth, I think it has to be considered. In addition, if a player is wanting more than they are worth, I think a trade needs to be considered.
Of course this is assuming the player is under contract and we actually have the right to make a deal.
No disrespect
But if KC traded Hali I’d be beyond incensed. This team isn’t rebuilding. Thats like the Chargers going out an trading Rivers for a couple of picks. When you’re a good team like Kansas City, you add to the core and go for the brass ring. Not the next day, not next week, now.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
No.
Let me just say I would trade Matt Cassel and Tamba Hali for Phillip Rivers. Rivers and Hali are not on the same planet. Hali never had over 8.5 sacks before last year.
by James Michael Simpson on May 20, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
would I be allowed to stab Phillip Rivers after we trade for him so I don't have to watch
that whiny little b*tch sully a Chiefs uniform?
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by Texas Chief on May 20, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
You had better have a fast car and alot of cash!
by James Michael Simpson on May 20, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Emotion dictates to keep Hali at all costs, but Pioli-brain says otherwise
I believe every chief fan wants Hali back .. but not all agree to overpay him. Overpaying Hali means Chiefs would be stretched to keep and pay for the other soon to be expiring starters like Carr, Bowe, and Flowers. That’s fact.
However, if Hali comes down to < 10M a year, I believe Pioli will keep him. Over that, it’s not
smart thing to do. 8M a year is win-win situation. Otherwise, trading him for value sounds likely would happen.
Pioli knows best. I believe overpaying for Hali doesnt serve the KChiefs organization long term. Well, the Patriots organization served him the lesson. They traded Seymour and other expensive starter for future picks .. which keep their team in title contention .. year-in and year-out by not overpaying for any single player and to keep the patriots from being over budget.
Within 3 years, I would be not suprised if the chiefs would do well like the Patriots with Pioli at the helm.
Yeah look how the Seymour trade worked out
Havn’t been back to the big game let alone win it since. Pats were and still are a different team, yes it can be good to look back at what happened when Pioli was there but he was not the say all nor is this the same situation. The Pats traded guys who were usually going on their THIRD contract, and wanted HUGE amounts of money, WHEN they had someone to replace the player already in house.
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 21, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll be watching Solder closely.
Trading UP for a guy is not the general modus operandi. Still, it’s the sort of thing you can do, when your general approach gives you those extra picks to trade up WITH. But it’s much more of a PON sort of thing, which is atypical.
It’s tough to judge. Parting ways with Seymour might have cost them short term. It seems more likely that they were reloading and not expecting to be as successful with their two young TEs as they were.
Saying they haven’t been back to the SB since is a pretty high standard, which one doesn’t apply to many teams. Seems like they were competitive last season, with lots of room and picks to grow with. Not many teams can say that.
would of ≠ would've
They didn't trade up for Solder
They got Solder for Seymour(Oaklands first round pick #17)
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 22, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd double-check, but it's MUCH easier to take the word of a good man.
Now you better be right!
Heck. It’s gonna bug me until I see for myself. No washin’ the Missouri off me. Here’s a nice confirmation on GridIronexperts.com
would of ≠ would've
That site is slow
Solder should be linked to Seymour from now on
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 23, 2011 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Awesome new title
Still not convincing.
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
So the new 'point' for you is that Hali never had over 8.5 sacks before
OK well how many pressures each year? How about the fact for several years he was playing LDE in a 4-3 which is asked to contain before getting to the QB?
Smells more and more troll-like
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
Troll-like
Not sure. If they let him play on the franchise tag this year and he has 8 sacks. I don’t give the man 12 mil a year.
by James Michael Simpson on May 21, 2011 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Well I hope you don't give 12 mil to anyone
Let alone a player who will be paid by the NFL. If he has 8 sacks, keeps pressures high, and the SOLB gets sacks its the same situation.
Why did you not read the LAST trade Hali thread before posting this with the same lines?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 21, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Julius Peppers only had 8 sacks after getting a huge payday
Yet Chicago fans are thrilled with the signing. It’s not just about sacks, it’s about pressure and forced double-teams as well. The latter two have nearly as much impact on a game as sacks do.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Yes. The D is better with more than one guy who can get or come close to double-digits.
I don’t think there’s any doubt about Julius Peppers.
would of ≠ would've
Hali is great but not worth 12M/year besides we have all other needs
Well, the chiefs are worth trading him in the long term .. paying 12M a year for a linebacker .. doesnt serve the chiefs in the long term with the expiring contracts of Bowe, Carr and Flowers soon or next year.
Besides, Hali only had double digit sacks on the last year of his contract. Pioli knows better. He knows better than us. He wants the Patriot way of not overpaying a single player.
Thus, chiefs are better served if we trade Hali for 1st and 3rd round picks .. like they did for Jared Allen which reaped rewards by grabbing starters Brandon Albert and Jamal Charles.
As much I want Hali back in KC, I couldnt if he demands a > 10M salary. Pioli smart he uses his brain not influenced by emotion. He loaded this years draft with solid linebackers in Bailey, Houston, or/and Gabe Miller anticipating a loss of Hali in a trade.
Long hail the chiefs. Pioli is the best thing that came to the Chiefs in over the decade. What a great feeling knowing that Pioli will serve the chiefs well in next years or decades.
chief_fan
There we go! I could not agree with you more! 10 mil a year would be my max. Charles and DJ both signed team friendly deals. Will Tamba Hali?
by James Michael Simpson on May 21, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Hali isn't the kind of player that plays better because of a contract year
It was his 2nd year in a 3-4 you know, herp derp, but that doesn’t come into play of course.
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Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 21, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He had his best season in a contract year.
Isn’t that what happened last year?
by James Michael Simpson on May 21, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter that he may just NOW be used to the switch to playing
as an OLB and how the 3-4 works?
NOOOOOOO it’s just about money
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 21, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Again Hali isn't that type of player
If you actually knew anything about him besides looking at a stat sheet you’d know that.
Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong
Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.
by ChiefWarPaint on May 22, 2011 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
No doubt I think Tamba Hail is a good guy.
But, he still likes money. Why isn’t he already signed long term?
by James Michael Simpson on May 22, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
No
2nd contract after his rookie contract.
Hali has not ever been an issue contract related, he just did what he was asked to do for the last 4-5 years
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 22, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
there was an issue about signing a new contract in the Un-capped year
I think the Chiefs and Scott Pioli will wrap this up shortly before the season
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 22, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Hali wanted to wait and roll the dice on having a good year.
And fortune smiled upon him. If he’s smart about his money, 2010 pretty much set him up for life, even if he only signs for one year.
would of ≠ would've
I disagree
The agent said that, then the league disallowed it
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 22, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not following you, Steve. Mind explaining?
I characterized it a bit differently than the story was told to me. Seems to me I read that Hali was saying he just wanted to play football, and worry about his contract after the 2010 season. What can you add to that for an ignorant fool like me?
would of ≠ would've
The little-known rule prevented high-profile players such as Baltimore Ravens defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, Cincinnati Bengals cornerback Johnathan Joseph, Carolina Panthers running back DeAngelo Williams, Minnesota Vikings linebacker Chad Greenway and Kansas City Chiefs defensive end Tamba Hali from landing the lucrative long-term contracts they desired.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6394616&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines
"Hair cut time.''
by Steve_Chiefs on May 22, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
We have enough room to pay Hali market value
And still keep Carr, Flowers, and Bowe.
We were 30 mil under the cap in 2009. The new cap will be higher.
Just as important (if not more so), remember that Matt Cassel contract that was so controversial? Well, in the last two years we’ve paid all the guaranteed money and nearly half the total amount. He’s due a 7 million dollar (team option) payday soon, and then we’ll be paying him about half of what we paid him the last two years.
Know what that means? Another 6-7 million per year available.
There’s enough money to go around.
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by MNchiefsfan on May 22, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
It'll be kinda neat to have a veteran QB you can keep surrounding with talent without breaking the bank.
It’ll come at a good time. Rec’d. I would’ve been inclined to bring in maybe one or two more high-profile FAs, and front-load their contracts, while the team was well under the cap. But there’s something to be said for adding your own guys, rather than baby-sitting a few guys who, even if you don’t treat ‘em special, can live more lavishly than the teammates they’re joining, so it IS like treatin’ ‘em special. It’s one thing to bring in a humble kid like Jackson, from Edgard, LA (pop. 2637), just west of New Orleans and set his family up like they could only dream about.
would of ≠ would've
It's like some people forget that we actually have to play games (barring the lockout).
Some people are always wanting to acquire picks at any cost. Picks are good, but we use picks to get Good Players. We don’t need to always trade our good players for picks that could be good, but may not be. Good teams trade declining players for more than their value.
"If ifs mattered, everyone would be undefeated." Enite
Actually, I think the best teams trade players when the price gets too high for what they want to do.
And something I notice about Pioli and Belichick isn’t that they trade declining players for MORE than their value. Seymour’s a case in point. He was a big part of Oakland’s sweep of the division last year. But New England structured a deal that was DOable, rather than exhorbitant. That’s how those deals get made, and that’s how you keep your good name for future deals.
I think that’s one of the things that King Carl missed. In a league with 32 teams, I think Carl burned a few bridges, and there aren’t that many bridges. Towards the end of his tenure in KC, I don’t think he could find any FAIR deals from other teams. And there weren’t a whole lot of players willing to meet him halfway.
would of ≠ would've
Totally agree.
Carl P. was a dick face. Pioli has the respect of the other GM’s and Owners around the league. He is a class act.
by James Michael Simpson on May 22, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
He was kind of a throwback to an earlier time, working for an owner who
was handing suitcases full of cash to talented players in hotel rooms, back when the AFL was fighting for parity with the NFL. The next generation, after the salary cap, were all about cheating the cap, with fancy contracts that let you borrow into the future, and let you get away with punking the rank-and-file players (who are elite athletes in their OWN right).
would of ≠ would've
The world did not end!
Now end the lock out and play football!
by James Michael Simpson on May 22, 2011 8:38 AM CDT reply actions
Tough argument
I liked trading allen at the time of the trade, I wanted the LJ to the packers rumors to be true. W/ Allen he wanted out and had the issues off the field, LJ had the off field stuff and was a douche
in this case, you have a guy who produced last year late in games…not like allen who got most of his sacks in the first half(fact) while w/ KC.
However Hali can only rush the passer, and if he wants ware money, we should take the value. But…that stings
Ill support what the team decides to do, but I do like Hali, he fights through injuries, he doesnt complain or talk to the press or do the stupid twitter stuff, he walks off the field bloody as can be…I just don’t know if thats enough if we were to get a 1/3 offer.
a 1/3 would allow us to control a draft, move back, get more in the following year etc…However we would instantly lose most of our pass rush
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I don't think we'd "lose most of our pass rush."
Certainly the guy with the gaudy numbers from the previous season would be gone, but they added significantly to the outside and inside pass rush with this latest draft. In the worst case scenario, I think they could pick up most of the slack, and the Chiefs come out as well or better on pressures and sacks as a team.
But I sure would expect much more progress WITH Hali, and I really do think that Pioli and he (or his agent) will strike a deal.
would of ≠ would've
A little too big of a leap of faith for me mills
Expecting rookies to come in and be good/great pass rushers is almost always setting yourself up for a huge let down.
I don’t think the defense would only get like 10 sacks next year without Hali but I do think it would be a very noticeable difference without him on defense
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 24, 2011 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Tamba Hali
Would be missed no question. I really want to see how he plays this year. Coming back from 2 serious injuries and only having 1 season with 10 or more sacks. You have to wait to pay the man.
by James Michael Simpson on May 24, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much what I said with the last sentence.
But I see a pretty good D being built, too, and I bet Hali’s being between deals didn’t escape Pioli’s notice. And the double-up on ’tweeners this draft, with Sheffield in the wings, already, makes sense on more than one level.
I ain’t sayin’ the intention is to trade Tamba, but they’re fairly well positioned to weather the storm, if it comes. But I don’t expect the storm. I think they’ll find plenty of common ground with Tamba. And if not, it’ll be because Tamba gets ridonkulous, and some other team is just as ridonkulous about money and draft picks.
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it goes back to the rooks tho...I like on paper what we have...but we may have the next vernon gholston and all of a sudden we are missing hali
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
None of 'em's a sure thing.
But Hali isn’t a sure thing, either. Best outcome is Hali returns and all the rooks plus Sheffield play great.
would of ≠ would've
Did any of you guys see Gabe Miller play last season?
I remember watching the Oregon State vs Stanford game. Gabe Miller knocked Andrew Luck on his ass over and over again. I think he was credited with a sack and a fumble forced.
by James Michael Simpson on May 25, 2011 9:07 AM CDT reply actions
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