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5 Players KC must contact when league opens



When free agency begins, a flurry of free agent signings will occur. We will see more players signing within a 24 hour period than ever before.

For the sake of this post I am going to go over 5 players that would be free agents for sure under the 2010 rules that I think our Kansas City Chiefs MUST get on the phone once free agency opens.

Aubrayo Franklin- Franklin will be one of the most sought after defensive players aside from Nnamdi Asomugha. He is a big force and would fit perfectly in the middle of our D while sharing snaps with Powe and hopefully a little bit of  Ron Edwards.  Our run defense will become a lot better because he will open some holes for our linebackers to shoot on the RB. Franklin is my number one priority.


Shaun Smith- Yes, the same Shaun Smith that played in KC last season. Smith knows the defense and brought an attitude to the team. He played very well for Tyson Jackson when he was injured and is a great rotational player that can play both defensive end or defensive tackle when we use a 4 man front.

Kevin Faulk- Faulk is not only a player I think we need to grab but I expect he is a player that will be a Chief. Pioli covets players like him and he just so happens to be an ex player for him in New England. He will not be a huge impact player but will be a great role player. In Kansas City he would be as a third down back who has great hands and knows how to convert. He was sidelined in 2010 with an ACL injury so he may come cheap and he WILL be the veterean that KC will bring into the locker room. Charles, Jones and Fauk doesn’t sound bad at all..

Stephen Cooper- This one hurts because I personally cannot stand the man but he makes a lot of sense… Cooper has a lot of experience in the 3-4 playing with San Diego the last 8 seasons.  He would provide an upgrade over Jovan Belcher and would help us know thine enemy just a little better.. He missed a lot of the season in 2010 due to a knee injury but he should be back ready to play.

Takeo Spikes- I acutally prefer Spikes over Cooper and not just because of my bias towards the Charger. Despite his age, Spikes still produces. In matter of fact, ProFootballFocus states that he is statistically the best run stopper of all free agent linebackers. The 14 year vet had 109 tackles and 3 interceptions last season. Spikes seems to me exactly what the Chiefs need in the middle.

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I hate Takeo Spikes

because he somehow always screws me over in my IDP fantasy league. If he were a Chief I would like him a lot. Solid, dependable player, IMO.

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by KC_Chong on May 19, 2011 2:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't trust guys with no necks.

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by saskwatch on May 19, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Te'o or Burfict?

I’d be okay with either of those. Or Tank Carder, I like him too.

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by KC_Chong on May 19, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why Te'o over Burfict?

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because Burfict

Will be kicked out of the league after the NFl’s first onfield Murder. Dude is a straight monster.

by Big_Chief on May 19, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Burfict is a beast

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats no joke

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to have Burfict. I’m hoping we aren’t drafting as low as some have him projected, but its still way too early to tell. Sadly, I doubt Pioli touches him with attitude/discipline issues.

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by KC_Chong on May 19, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

ILBs always tend to drop

There seems to be a great class of ILBs next year so we could target one of them, or possibly one of the Olinemen

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H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Burfict has some issues as well

Doesn’t have the greatest instincts, but he does have another year to play so we’ll see.

Better to be a Diamond with a flaw than a Pebble without - Master Kong

Also, totally called the Gabe Miller pick. so yeah I'm awesome.

by ChiefWarPaint on May 19, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has drawn a lot of comparisons to Ray Lewis

but I think that’s mainly due to his intensity and strutting around like Ray Lewis. But you never see Ray Lewis committing selfish, stupid penalties and hurting his team every game like Burfict does. That is my biggest issue with him.

To all the fellas out there with ladies to impress, its easy to do; just follow these steps:
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by KC_Chong on May 20, 2011 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't saying he is perfect

Skov could be another name to look at. Not always the same ‘force’ as Burfict but a smarter player, and a guy who should be able to play ILB on all 3 downs. Can rush/stop the run/drop back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieo_ansbJmA

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H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1 on disliking Stephen Cooper.

Hadn’t considered Faulk though, that’s a good option. Re-signing Smith is a must in my opinion.

by bobby sippio! on May 19, 2011 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah I would almost put money Faulk being a Chief

I remember hearing somewhere that Pioli really liked him and I am suprised I haven’t seen him linked to KC more…

by tomahawk44 on May 19, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

not linked

because he’s 62 years old.

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on May 19, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Faulk is about 34 yrs old. Thats 102 in Football RB years.

Besides he’s been pretty much limited to 3rd down recieving out of backfield. I see Dex as taking a similar but much more robust type of role with fewer limitations. We do need to look at a FA replacement for TJ who is now over 33 yrs old and in his declining yrs as a producer on the field. He had a 3.7 y/c ave last yr but only about 2.8 in last half of yr.

Joseph Addai is 5’11", wt.214 , age 28 with 4.1 y/c ave. He was injured in 2010 but has plantey left in the tank. I like his abilities as tough nosed runner.

Cedric Benson is 5’11", wt. 227, age 27 with 3.7 y/c. I just don’t think he brings as much to table as he thinks he does.

Ronnie Brown is 6’ , 230 lbs, 30 yrs old, has a 4.3 career y/c. 734 yds in 2010. He would like to be a featured back but knows how to share the load.

Michael Bush is 6’ 1", 245, 27 yrs old, 4.4 career y/c, 655 yds in 2010, Bush is also used to sharing the load. Iike his potential fit. Bruising style but he can cut back and go as well as much smaller backs. Does not need much of a gap.

DeAngelo Williams is 5’9", 217 lbs, 28 yrs old, career 5.0 y/c, injured in 2010 only 361 yds in 2010, Might be a real value. Just not a real punishing style in spite of decent size.

I’d like to see some serious efforts to get Joseph Addai or Michael Bush.

"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle

by CatChief on May 20, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Addai

I do kind of like him but isn’t he pretty injury prone? I admit I did not look up anything just now, but it seems like he misses a number of games every year.

In that list, Bush is probably the best – especially if getting him helps us and hurts the raiders.

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on May 21, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Addai, because of his versatility.

Great offense in Indy, but Addai’s made a lot of his yards on his own.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on May 22, 2011 3:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

looked it up

Games Played
2006 16
2007 15
2008 12
2009 15
2010 8

He has missed a number of games. Perhaps a bit fewer than I was thinking. But, still, something that worries me.

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on May 22, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's been evading linemen in the backfield his whole career.

Indy trying to manufacture a running game off the draw.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on May 22, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Smith is a given

Great rotation guy who wants to be here. Probably won’t even cost much.

With the lockout looking to last through June and likely into July, just to get the court crap out of the way and negotiators back at the table, the offseason is shot. For conservative guys like Pioli, the quick “training camp” and “preseason” that will ensue when the owners and players finally do something so they still get this years’ $7 or $8 billion (yeah I realize it was supposed to be $9 billion) will mean even fewer FA signings than usual. Resign your own guys whether you otherwise would or not, just for continuity. I hope they do grab a wideout,and Faulk is an easy fit at running back, where his role player staus would be fairly straight forward and his playbook relatively simple. But I doubt we see a new starter at o-line or linebacker come in as a free agent this year…

"When I was just a baby, my momma told me "Son... always be a good boy. Don't ever play with guns." But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die..."

by nmchief on May 19, 2011 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Or d-line,either. I think Edwards, Smith, and Powe can handle the nose well enough that Franklin is very unlikely.

"When I was just a baby, my momma told me "Son... always be a good boy. Don't ever play with guns." But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die..."

by nmchief on May 19, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

We may not see a starting OT come in...

but we should see some type of OT FA signed. The roster is too thin at the position for anything less.

by mushin on May 19, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

We could

And if that was a Matt Light or Ryan Harris, he would start. But the wat this is going, I just think a lesser guy as a backup, or even just resigning O’Callahan, is much more likely. I suspect the tackles and guards from last yera will be back, Weigman retiring is the only way we get a new o=line starter.

"When I was just a baby, my momma told me "Son... always be a good boy. Don't ever play with guns." But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die..."

by nmchief on May 19, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree

we need another body or two in the mix at O-line

"Hair cut time.''

by Steve_Chiefs on May 19, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan Harris please!

I would like to see a FA RB if possible but I can’t say I’m 100% sure who is available or will be

I don’t think we go after Franklin, rely on Edwards/Smith/Powe to handle the nose trying to get in Nickel situations more often

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I was going to put Harris

but I was looking at the list of who would be free agents if they went by 2010 rules and he was not on there for some reason..

by tomahawk44 on May 19, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

my list
  • Ryan Harris: if they don’t get Harris… Ryan O’Callaghan
  • Steve Breaston (if FA)
  • Shaun Smith
  • Aubrayo Franklin: if they don’t get Franklin (which is likely they won’t)… Ron Edwards
  • Casey Weigmann: I hope he’s back for one more rodeo

by stagdsp on May 19, 2011 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

add in Le'Ron McClain and I like it a lot.

Scott Pioli for President in 2012. Experience? If the current President doesn't need it, why does Pioli? Besides, Pioli has the blue collar work ethic with a white collar brain. He has humility. He is tough on security. He supports war on Sundays. And he makes sound, fiscally conservative decisions.

by chief Stevie_k on May 20, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spikes is backwards

you don’t replace a young up and comer with a guy in the twilight of his career. I have no problem with Belcher in the middle of our defense. I’d only upgrade him if some clarly obvious option came along. Plus we have a lot of young guys behind him who would have something

by SillyHatDay on May 19, 2011 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

That would be true unless you plan on replacing the replacement next year anyway

I thought it was a nice idea to bring in the vet ILB this year to train the rook next year.

sorta what the Chiefs did with Charles/Jones

"Hair cut time.''

by Steve_Chiefs on May 19, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is the idea I like...

Spikes would only be here one year until we draft the new starter :)

by tomahawk44 on May 19, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sooner or later Spikes is going to see a drop-off in production.

And, even in the best case scenario, we still need a new starter next year. Belcher is, at worst, serviceable, runs pretty much no risk of age catching up with him next year, and could have a breakout 3rd year. Worst case scenario we need a new starter next year but best case scenario he continues to improve and we can focus on improving another area.

I say, put a more consistent nose tackle in front of Belcher and see if he has the breakout season that many third year players go through. In my opinion, there’s far more to be gained, and not much to be lost by starting Belcher instead of replacing him with an over the hill vet.

"If you really want to shatter a backboard, tell it it's adopted." - Norm MacDonald

by MtHammer on May 20, 2011 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

This

I am not ready to give up on Belcher, especially if we think we can have more consistent play from the DL (NT & DEs).

by Chief_Elmo on May 20, 2011 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still want to see how Micah fairs in Belchers spot if possible

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is another big question mark

Several teams signed him and let him go as a UDFA, but looked like a great SILB prospect.

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep

i like his potential, at least to push Corey Mays off the roster… Mays had such a small role last year, I don’t see how Micah couldn’t do it

by stagdsp on May 20, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, he won't escape SD but he would be perfect

I almost put Kevin Burnett as well but SD won’t let him leave

by tomahawk44 on May 19, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

I want the bowling ball.

I eat nails for breakfast, tacks for snacks, and I sh*t nickel.

by SupremeChief on May 20, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

We just drafted a bowling ball

6’2 265lb FB/TE

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by Texas Chief on May 20, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tolbert could be more of a RB though

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H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kevin Faulk?

Old, slow, injury riddled and not worth the money. Keep Foxboro’s scraps out of KC. Send Vrabel back while we’re at it

#91 - Pay The Man & Play The Man

by KansasCityShuffle on May 19, 2011 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Faulk wouldn't cost much and wouldn't be a primary back

he would fit perfect as a 3rd down runner. The only time he has ever missed a lot of playing time was last season when he tore his ACL

by tomahawk44 on May 19, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO

Just no. I don’t care if it’s Gale Sayers or Walter Payton. Any RB the age 34-35 does NOT and should NOT have a position on this team.

#91 - Pay The Man & Play The Man

by KansasCityShuffle on May 19, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

We already have one old mentor type back on the team in Jones.

Instead of bringing in another we should be bringing in Jones’ eventual replacement.

"If you really want to shatter a backboard, tell it it's adopted." - Norm MacDonald

by MtHammer on May 20, 2011 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Le'Ron Mc Clain

Scott Pioli for President in 2012. Experience? If the current President doesn't need it, why does Pioli? Besides, Pioli has the blue collar work ethic with a white collar brain. He has humility. He is tough on security. He supports war on Sundays. And he makes sound, fiscally conservative decisions.

by chief Stevie_k on May 20, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would be okay with this.

"If you really want to shatter a backboard, tell it it's adopted." - Norm MacDonald

by MtHammer on May 22, 2011 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Third Down Back?

Don’t we think that McCluster will be our 3rd down back this year. Hate to bring in someone else who will limit his time on the field. Also, what’s wrong with Battle & Jones? I’m pretty happy with the ‘RBs that we have. I don’t think we need Faulk, though I like the guy & what he’s done in NE.

by Chief_Elmo on May 20, 2011 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Takeo Spikes has been in the league for approximately 19 years and hasn't played 1 snap in the playoffs

Most probably a coincidence, but not worth the chance.

I want a veterant NT, another WR option, a good RT and some RB off the UDFA scrap heap

by craig in calgary on May 19, 2011 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Considering Edwards and Smith are in the mix,

a veteran NT is in the bag. It’ll be interesting to see if they return, considering Franklin’s available.

I like the way you put it.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on May 19, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice formatting.

Nice topic.

Nice to hear the love in here for Shaun Smith.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on May 19, 2011 5:13 PM CDT reply actions  

It comes and goes.

I don’t care much how I look, so long as it’s not too shaggy, or my ‘stache isn’t getting caught in the harmonica. Sometimes I’ll go for weeks just trimming it every few days with the hedgeclippers on “high.” Sometimes I just shave it off and let it grow back for a few weeks. I am old enough now that shaving the grizzly mess takes about 10 years off. It’s all about being semi-presentable without much work.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on May 19, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I shave my Grizzle and My son gets pissed off

it does give an older Male affect

"Hair cut time.''

by Steve_Chiefs on May 19, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's nuts about him : - )
Nice to hear the love in here for Shaun Smith.

by grid_iron on May 19, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

I remember last off season when we picked him up. There was MUCH whining and gnashing of teeth from the angelic crowd (hopefully I didn’t partake). And of course it is legit to have some of those concerns but I think it was overdone. Clearly, he is a great example of somebody being in the right situation and showing that people deserve a second chance especially if past events are isolated.

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on May 21, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure they asked him about the why's and wherefore's.

Sometimes a good guy with the right attitude is going to experience friction in a situation where folks are working at cross-purposes. When you’re the only sane guy in the room, you’re going to be perceived as an isolated nutcase. Oops.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on May 22, 2011 3:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

you want my five.... YOU want MY!!! FIVE!!!.. ok

1. Pat Williams, NT, Vikings/Ron Edwards- Teamed with Jerell Powe and a re-signed Ron Edwards, Pat Williams would be a force in the middle of the defense. Yeah we would be old, but it would tie us over for a season while we nab younger talent in a deep 2012 draft. Williams should be cheap because of age.. (I also really like Ron Fields out of Denver as a NT)

2. Santana Moss, WR, Redskins- Moss had good production under Jim Zorn and should be looking for a contender in free agency with his age. With Baldwin and Bowe outside, Tony Moeaki in at TE, Jamaal Charles in the backfield, and Moss in the slot, our offense would be all kinds of dangerous.

3. Eric Wright, CB, Browns- ideally this is DeAndre McDaniel instead but I’m sticking to “vets.” Wright brings a ton of athleticism and can backup everyone on our defense. HE was a solid contributor unitl Crennel left Cleveland o.o

4. Matt Roth, OLB, Browns- Unless Vrabel is coming back we really don’t have a veteran presence opposite Hali. Roth is a serviceable starter who should bridge us over to a younger replacement mid season or next season, and should come cheap, as he does not fit in the Browns new 4-3.

5. Ryan Harris, OT, Broncos- I’m in the corner of letting Richardson start another season. However, we need to sign a RT in free agency. Either Harris or O’Callaghan, Harris would probably take Richardson’s job, which I’m okay with. O’Callaghan would probably serve as a solid swing tackle.

BOOM!

by 808NaNz808 on May 19, 2011 6:53 PM CDT reply actions  

matt roth doesn't fit the Brown's 4-3?!!! Matt Roth played 4-3 DE for Iowa.

Scott Pioli for President in 2012. Experience? If the current President doesn't need it, why does Pioli? Besides, Pioli has the blue collar work ethic with a white collar brain. He has humility. He is tough on security. He supports war on Sundays. And he makes sound, fiscally conservative decisions.

by chief Stevie_k on May 20, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

matt roth doesn’t fit the Brown’s 4-3?!!! Matt Roth played 4-3 DE for Iowa.

I don’t know all the details – how big is he? If he weighs 260-270 lbs. that’s a 4-3 DE in college and a 3-4 OLB in the NFL.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on May 20, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

What do Mathis and Freeney play at?

They are not big boys but still do quite well

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Roth- 6'4" 275

Mathis- 6’2" 245
Freeney- 6’1" 268

Mathis and Freeney can use leverage to play DE, Roth cannot. It’s all about girth. On top of that, how many small DE’s are there in the NFL? Mathis and Freeney = minority not majority

BOOM!

by 808NaNz808 on May 20, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying he is cut out for DE although he has played DE and rush OLB before

Infact if you want to point out someone just going by size look above

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 21, 2011 5:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stephen Cooper is a free agent? Sign him!

Also, resign Jamaal Charles as well, and get a veteran wide receiver to add depth.

Dear Scott Pioli,

Great job on the 2011 NFL Draft. Now please bring Shaun Smith back for 2011.

by ChiefsFan90s on May 19, 2011 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Why resign Charles?!

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 19, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need resign his clone.

Double the Charles powers. lol

Dear Scott Pioli,

Great job on the 2011 NFL Draft. Now please bring Shaun Smith back for 2011.

by ChiefsFan90s on May 19, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha. Oops.

Meant Shaun Smith.

Dear Scott Pioli,

Great job on the 2011 NFL Draft. Now please bring Shaun Smith back for 2011.

by ChiefsFan90s on May 19, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

It’s potato, pototo.

Dear Scott Pioli,

Great job on the 2011 NFL Draft. Now please bring Shaun Smith back for 2011.

by ChiefsFan90s on May 20, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

potatoe?

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on May 21, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe THIS will help you out

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on May 21, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love my pototos =P

Make my mashed and give me precious (the ring).

Dear Scott Pioli,

Great job on the 2011 NFL Draft. Now please bring Shaun Smith back for 2011.

by ChiefsFan90s on May 22, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why do we need to sign two new ILBs?

Cooper’s the douchebag that said he would put Cassel on a stretcher and target his abdomen to hurt him on purpose and we all cried foul and now everyone wants him? Coopers not that good.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on May 19, 2011 10:50 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Agree

Don’t want Cooper — let someone else overpay for him.

I’m really not convinced that he need any help at ILB. We have alot of young talent that needs to play and get experience. Vrabel comes back for one more year and helps them get up to speed.

Not ready to give up on Belcher, I think he’s is the real deal. Remember that last year was just his second year out of college and coming from a small school. Also, I think its important to keep the same LBs playing together. Much like the OL, these guys develop a feel for the game, in knowing where they each are. Don’t need to change them around too much…

by Chief_Elmo on May 20, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think KC's likely to play a lot of nickel behind 3-3 and 4-2.

ILB might be a lotta guys looking for relatively few snaps.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on May 20, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right!

We have alot of young talent at ILB, that will be fighting for playing time. I’d rather give those guys a chance, before we bring in other guys.

Besides, I really just don’t like Cooper. Probably a personal problem that I need to deal with, but I don’t like the guy for all of the reasons that someone else mentioned above. Spikes I could live with, but I think Vrabel could do the same thing for us that Spikes would do. Plus, Vrabel has some versatility and can play OLB and some TE in goal line situations.

by Chief_Elmo on May 20, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

My list(in no particular order).

1. Aubrayo Franklin
2. Lance Moore
3. Manny Lawson
4. Ryan Harris
5. Shaun Smith

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on May 19, 2011 10:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd put Harris and Smith over Lawson

but otherwise I really like that list.

"If you really want to shatter a backboard, tell it it's adopted." - Norm MacDonald

by MtHammer on May 20, 2011 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lawson is very interesting

Is kind of the Vrabel mold OLB, although he gets more pressure. Lawson takes over for Vrabel and Houston sits and learns behind him while coming in on sub packages to be another rusher?

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's a lot of OLBs

Hali, Sheffield, Studebaker, Houston, Miller…maybe Vrabel

not sure there’s room or need for another veteran OLB.

by stagdsp on May 20, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Hali-Sheff WOLB
Lawson-Houston SOLB
Stude could try out for the SILB spot if not he is great on special teams
Miller who knows

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H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, i just don't see it

I think

Hali-Sheff WOLB
Studebaker-Houston and probably Vrabel SOLB
Miller could back up both and play lots of ST

by stagdsp on May 20, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to wonder if Stude is just a ST guy

The contract wasn’t that large that everyone points out, he couldn’t really push Vrabel, nor did he really produce when he was on the field.

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H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I dont remember who said it but they said AP has a semi-perma hard on for Studebaker and I think a lot of us that may be true for, myself included (figuratively, just to clarify). I kept holding out hope he would develop into something special, and he still may, but its not looking promising.

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by KC_Chong on May 20, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I don’t think “pushing Vrabel” was an option… that was Vrabel’s job, as per the organization, period.

I think Stude HAS produced on the field when he’s been there, and he’s going to have a long, promising future with the Chiefs.

by stagdsp on May 20, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Haley is the type to put a player out there just to have a player out there

Maybe its me but I could say that Chambers was a Haley favorite 2 years ago. He didn’t produce so he wasn’t on the field last year.

I get it, there is a massive love base for Stude on here(I used to be someone holding out hope for him). I just think the writing is on the wall

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H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are right about Haley

I definitely also agree that AP has a major hard-on for Studebaker. I’m still in wait and see mode.

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by kabrink on May 21, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really had hopes that Stude would push Vrabel this year

It didn’t happen so I’m looking forward instead of sticking with what obviously didn’t work

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H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 21, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Chambers had some sort of injury.

Not a peep about bad attitude or lack of effort. Actually, Chambers was a captain even though he wasn’t getting a whole lot of snaps.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on May 22, 2011 3:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not like Stude has a bad attitude or lack of effort

Chambers may have been injured early in the season but he was back(and saw the field) for a few games but did not produce. He had a finger injury, which is bad for receivers but at the same time he was able to practice and what not, then was scratched/did not start.

Give me the starting LBs of
WOLB-Hali
SILB-Stude
WILB-DJ
SOLB-Houston
anyday though

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H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 22, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Studie. Maybe that new guy, Miller at SILB.

I think that adding the thumpers they added, that SILB is going to look pretty good. I’m just not sure how often they have a SILB in, at all. If Bailey can back up one or both DE spots, I can see them leaving the NT in there, and swapping a DB for the SILB on a lot of plays the NT left the field last season. The importance of Bailey in this is the idea of having Shaun Smith rotating with Edwards at the nose, and a little bit of Powe. But keeping the middle of the d-front BIG, and just going faster behind that front, depending on the situation. Give the ILB some better predictability. Might even make Cory Mays look good.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on May 22, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well Stude has the ability to also do a little covering

Which is why I would like him to have a shot inside. That would add a new dimension to the defense as well where both ILBs can do some covering/blitzing/Stude can still take on blockers

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H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 22, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'll catch the lame duck in his catch radius.

He’ll get into his drops and plays with some awareness, but I think his coverage skills are a bit overhyped, due to a huge game last season.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on May 22, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he is great at it

I just think he is better than Belcher, possibly more stout and a little quicker as well

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H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 23, 2011 6:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno for sure, especially about quickness.

The role of the ILB is evolving for the Chiefs, as the front 5 evolves. A pair of new OLB types (Miller and Houston) seems likely to open up the competition at SILB to more players, even though little movement is apparent in that direction. With the talent KC has added to the secondary, mistake-free leadership at SILB (Vrabel!) might be the glue that holds it all together.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on May 23, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

nor did he really produce when he was on the field.

I definitely disagree – Studebaker may not be the future at SOLB, but there was good production from him, especially given how little he saw the field on defensive snaps. He did have 2 INT’s in his first start…

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by PVChiefsfan on May 20, 2011 11:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes 1 start 2 plays then back to the bench

Behind a very aged Vrabel who everyone can tell is too slow to be effective rushing and is losing it dropping back.. GREAT SIGN

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H^2-Hali and Houston

by BAMFSpecialOps on May 20, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

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