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Burner vs Quicker

Most people are saying we need to draft a " Burner " WR this year to compliment Bowe's short route possession style of play. But we don't really need a burner in my opinion we need a PLAYMAKER. 

People want the burner to stretch the field and move back the Dfence but. Some people say Cassel can't throw the long ball and that's debatable because aside from Randy Moss in his first real season of play he hasn't had a speed threat to throw to. 

But back to the point.  We need someone who can make a ten yard catch into a deep play because deep 50 yard throws don't happen often and really only work once a game or so. 

But like Wes Welker, or even Bowe at times, catches for 5 or 10 can become 20 or 30 happen alot if you have the right player.  I'd rather have a quicker WR with amazing hands than a  speed demon with debatable hands.  Everybody is fast in the NFL and CB's and Safeties get faster every year to me, just look at Reed, Potamalu, Revis, Eric Berry and D. Hall.  All are very fast so the odd's of burning one of them deep is slim, but running a slant and being quicker than them is definitly possible. 

They say speed kills in the NFL but I think quickness kills more often, just look at JC he's fast but it's how quick he is in and out of cuts that allows him to get into open space to use his speed. I would love to have a fast WR but I think a quick WR who can make plays is more what this offense is built for and no offense to DMC but he's not it.  DMC is a Dante Hall to me cause I never see him as anything more than a return guy trying to play WR.  Plus I see a plague of injuries in DMC's career. 

That's why we need a 6' to 6'2" WR who can make plays and has speed but it doesn't need to be blazing speed.  I would take another Bowe anyday because he has the whole package to me he can beat guys deep at times but will also go over the middle ad take a hit.  Bowe also is a guy that Ifeel on any catch has the strength, quickness and smarts, yes I said smarts, to take it all the way.  By smarts i mean he sees the whole field and devises way's to get into open space so he can move much like the TD against I believe the Jags or Arizona where he broke like to tackles and scored.

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You bet, playmaker is the need. I really am not interestred in all the b.s. debates of

what is better or biggest need. What the Chief’s NEED is a guy who can not only get open, but can catch the ball thereby making plays. Losing games because of dropped passes is a killer. We need to have a killer who catches the ball.

by dubld on Apr 8, 2011 12:07 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Not a big fan of Baldwin

Just doesn’t jump out to me as a guy I want on the Chiefs

by Kmillz2525 on Apr 8, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Completely agree

I can see him horribly busting.

I would like a Royale with Cheese

by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 8, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Burner, quicker, no matter

without a QB who can throw

I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave

by ArrowDread on Apr 8, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Cassel= went to a pro bowl

Bowe = went to a pro bowl. Enough said man both went to a pro bowl so Cassel must be doing something right. Oh and let me come over there and tackle you and you try and throw while I do it because that was Cassels expierence for the last few games and that’s a product of a line that needs a major overhaul of youth not guys in there thirties. Keep ALbert and Asamoah and Lija maybebut fill in the rest cause Waters has one more season maybe and Casey is over.

by Kmillz2525 on Apr 8, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

You used the Pro Bowl as validation for Cassel but

Waters was voted to the Pro Bowl as a starter and he needs to be replaced? Cassel was an alternate. He wouldn’t have been there if Brady wasn’t hurt.

by RamX21 on Apr 8, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think age is more the factor he's talking about there than production

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Apr 8, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank You

Couldn’t have said it better myself

by RamX21 on Apr 8, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah no doubt. 27 TDs and 7 INTs

With arguably the worst WR corps in the league sucks.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Apr 8, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

MN the only really good games he had

Were against the basement dwellers of pass defense. He’s really not a good QB

by RamX21 on Apr 8, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

MN was kind not to respond. I will.

You apparently know better than Pioli and Haley right? Come on you want to see a bad QB you can go to over half of the league and see worse QB play week in and week out. You put the “Good games” in context with what your opinion? So you put the bad games in perspective with what his play and shut your eyes to the receivers and then the O-Line play. He will never be Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. Your expectations are un-realistic. Give me a non-marque QB before this next season and put the numbers up against Cassel’s this season. Until then lets leave this subject alone.

by 78Chief on Apr 8, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not an opinion if someone has a good or bad game

I’ll post up some numbers for you when I get home because a bunch of you people only know how to read numbers and don’t actually watch football

by RamX21 on Apr 9, 2011 10:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Awesome

The always great “you don’t even watch football” defense. That will never get old and is always good for a laugh.

Intepret stats to show positive, or ignore them to show negative. It really doesn’t matter. No one is refuting that Cassel doesn’t need to continue to improve, but to call him anything other than “improved” and/or “a work in progress” is pointless.
Or it means you “don’t watch football” :-)

Formerly: FalconMF27

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

by RememberDelaney37 on Apr 9, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea I know you probably watch the games

But the only way to tell how a guy plays is to watch how they play. saying he went 27-7 is a broad statement and doesn’t account for how many times defenders dropped easy picks or how the receivers went out and made a play to score. We were 30th ranked passing in the league.

by RamX21 on Apr 9, 2011 12:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Keep it in perspective

We also ranked 29th in passing attempts, while ranking first in rushing attempts. Not really a fair gauge to base how good or bad the passing game (Cassel) was on yardage. Cassel had a 6.7 yds/attempt, calculate that with having middle of the pack attempts, and he would have been middle of the pack in yardage. Simple as that.

Formerly: FalconMF27

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

by RememberDelaney37 on Apr 9, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Give him the same amount of attempts as the league leader, Peyton

He would have been 2nd in yardage, then what would you say?

Formerly: FalconMF27

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

by RememberDelaney37 on Apr 9, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is what i'm talking about

I’m not talking about his numbers. Stats don’t tell the whole story. Watching him play shows that you can’t depend on him to go win a game with his arm. We played against some of the worst pass defenses this year and the only games that he was really successful were against the bottom guys.

by RamX21 on Apr 9, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're judging him based on the fact that he looked good against the teams he should have

And calling him “bad” b/c he didn’t look as good against the better defenses? He didn’t look good against much of anybody in 2009, including the bad teams, yet he starts to look good against the bad teams in 2010, and you still can’t say he’s at least improved?

Hmm, sounds like you are a bit blinded by your dislike for Cassel to me. If you can’t see some of the good he did this year, regardless of who it was against, then there’s really nothing to debate, and you will have your opinions about him, unsubstantiated or not, and no one is going to change your mind

Formerly: FalconMF27

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

by RememberDelaney37 on Apr 9, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually I really like Cassel

I like his personality and work ethic a lot. I just don’t believe he can get it done. I think his improvement this year was more to do with the number 1 rushing attack and weak pass defenses that we faced. I didn’t think he “looked good” in many games at all this past year. He put up pretty good numbers but when the running game gets stopped he doesn’t get it done.

This year we’ll see, we play some pretty good teams.

by RamX21 on Apr 9, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or vice versa.

Seems like the best games the Chiefs had were when they could come out and execute in the passing game. If they came out fast and DBowe made the first couple catches, KC had things their way.

To me, games came down to facing defenses that were coming to stop the run. If that WORKED and worked against the pass, KC was sunk. I still think that the kernel of it was in poor protections, but one more receiver that gives Cassel safe areas to throw, just by pre-snap formation, like Mattie Ice has with Roddy White, down in Atlanta, or Manning had for years with James Harrison.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 9, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yawn. No offense, but yawn.

Any other bad QBs toss for numbers like he did? And keep in mind a mediocre receiving corps.

Tell you what, if you can name 10 teams with a worse overall receiving corps than us, then find ONE of them on which the QB had better numbers, I’ll consider the idea that Cassel is a bad QB…

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Apr 8, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh.

For all the talk about making silk out of a sow’s ear by Manning and Rivers, I bet more of the Indy and San Diego WRs go on to solid careers. They were NOT untalented.

  1. on the regular season. #12 in postseason (bleh).

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticCategory=PASSING&season=2010&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=true&Submit=Go

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...

Cassel’s not an elite QB, but he was pretty good for us despite having zilch at the number 2 and 3 receiver spots, and with Moeaki blocking more often than going on routes….

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Apr 9, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, maybe #8 is pretty elite, considering the situation.

And his 11 wins in New England were during a trough in OL performance.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 9, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't you know?

That O-line performance was his fault. As was our sucking in the passing game in 2009. And the fact that we lost the BAL game.

But he definitely does NOT get credit for having a great regular season. That’s how it works. When it goes badly, blame Cassel. When it goes well, give credit to others.

I still shy away from “elite”, but I’m very comfortable with our QB situation.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Apr 9, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I added some paragraph breaks for easier reading

But, I have to totally disagree on McCluster… I’ve never seen such overreaction to an ankle injury… a guy isn’t “injury prone” because he sprains an ankle. Dex has proven to be pretty tough, and has a ton of upside, the Dante Hall comparisons are offbase, IMHO.

Dex should see more looks out of the backfield, where he’s most effective.

I think KC needs 2 WR, one of which MIGHT be on the roster already..
1) super-reliable 3rd down machine out of the slot position (could be Urban or a later round draft pick)
2) true #2 deep threat guy (could be a FA like MSW or Breaston, or a higher draft pick)

the most important thing, IMHO is that they are able to GET OPEN, and CATCH…

Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round

by stagdsp on Apr 8, 2011 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Not over reacting to his injury

That injury didn’t bother me it was watching him get lit on most every special teams play and play he caught the ball. Ankle injuries are freakish but he is just to small to take a bunch of hits from guys that are 250LB’s of solid muscle. Sorry it;s a working progress i havent finished proof reading

by Kmillz2525 on Apr 8, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I question his durability too...

I’m not all gunho saying that he is injury prone, just yet. Taking hits like he did in the Baltimore game from Ed Reed (in particular) will take him out of the game quick. We will be playing against many thumpers this year, and I would not doubt that Dex sees a serious injury this year.

To his credit he took many tough shots… the first of which was the Monday Night Game. He has a level of toughness to him, but I don’t know for how long.

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Apr 14, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I also

disagree

Dex is a “speed” guy, but scouts and coaches were RAVING about his quickness and agility. The guy jukes defenders out of their shoes. Don’t remember what game it was, but we put him as a RB and gave him a pitch to the outside like 3 or 4 times in the same drive, and each one went for near or more than 10 yards. DMC has better hands than Dante Hall, and is tougher than Hall as well. DMC to Hall is no comparison.

Also disagree with DMC being plagued with injuries. A guys height and weight don’t tell the whole story. DMC took some big hits and popped right back up. A good part of that is toughness of course but also preparing yourself for the hit. If he tries to run a LB over and gets blasted, yeah he’s probably going to get hurt. But if he prepares for the hit (which it seems like he does) then hes able to alleviate some of that force thats hitting him. Plenty of smaller guys are great at doing this and that is why you see little guys get hammered and pop right back up.

Alot of times you see guys get hit hard, and jump back up, its because it looks far worse than it is.

by Petey14 on Apr 8, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dex

Is quick I know this but I just don’t see the receiving talent being there. He just looks like a raw talent who is good at everything but not great at anything. My Hall comparision was purely to his ability to play WR since both had great playmaking ability but I just don’t see either as a slot WR. The injury thing is just a feeling I have with him and how tough this league is and how he may bounce back up but he looked very timid after the ankle injury to me. Much like Areanas scares me cause he never fair catches and gets popped a lot when he should just call it good.

by Kmillz2525 on Apr 8, 2011 1:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Have to argue this somewhat

Dex is not being used in the kind of system he thrived in at Ole Miss. I was and am a huge fan of Dex, from his college days to the pros I’ve followed him all the way. He is a game changer when used properly.

We don’t use him in the style he had so much success in and its hurt his dynamic IMO. Similar to McFadden in Oakland. Hue Jackson was intelligent enough to adhere to the plays McFadden was familiar with and BOOM they have a star streaking all over the field making teams look stupid.

Dex was a WR in college, but when Ole Miss lost their RB, they used him to fill the void and viola, a star was born. Dex works best when he’s in the backfield, in the wildcat, or used in a trick play. He’s not a slot receiver. That’s just how it is. He has the ability, but he is at his best when coming from behind the line.

I hope Haley figures him out and uses him properly, we’re wasting an extreme talent otherwise.

2011 hopefuls: A new CBA, followed by a good draft, accented by a great season. In that order.

by shotty on Apr 8, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soooo

please elaborate on the BEST way to use Dex:)

We are not a Wildcat team, what are his best type plays from the RB position?

"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson

by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watch any of Dex' highlights on youtube

and you see the same thing over and over. Just hand him the ball and watch him run. And when you’re done watching those highlights, come back and tell me you don’t think we need to incorporate the wildcat more. Especially with JC behind him.

Use them together, on options or even screens, Dex threw a 27 yd TD pass against LSU, he has the dynamic to do whatever he’s told, but he excels from behind the OL. Because he can do so many different things, we should be using him much more often than we did last season and finding ways to allow him to make plays for us. Even if its just a diversion tactic. My problem with that tho, is that was about all we did with him last season.

Dex has the ability to explode from the line of scrimmage, he finds ways to get into open space, and looking at his tape, once he does get into open space, there is no way he runs a 4.53 40. He blew by Florida, LSU, and Tenn (the Tenn game Dex scored 4 TD’s, ran for 282 yds and had 42 receiving yds, Monte Kiffen had no answer for him, and that was with Eric Berry and Dan Williams).

IMO he needs to get a lot more touches, let him make some big plays and then use him as a diversion. Offset the defenses. We’re going to need all the help we can get against the D’s we’ll be facing this season.

2011 hopefuls: A new CBA, followed by a good draft, accented by a great season. In that order.

by shotty on Apr 9, 2011 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Think about third down with Dex an JC coming out from each side, no

pressure on the D then! Maybe we could get some receivers open then.

by dubld on Apr 9, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

We have some big time playmakers on our team

I agree we need to upgrade our WR core and I believe that will happen, but why wouldn’t you use the incredible talents that are so readily available? I hope Haley figures out how to use Dex and JC together to exploit other teams and keep them off guard, those two players could wreak righteous havoc paired together if given the opportunity.

2011 hopefuls: A new CBA, followed by a good draft, accented by a great season. In that order.

by shotty on Apr 9, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe why Weis flew the coop? Haley is on attack with the Offense

and maybe Weis was set in his ways, cause of previos success, but I just don’t know. But I think we see more attempts downfield with Weis gone.

by dubld on Apr 9, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Weis's departure is about his son and the opportunity the new job gives him.

Pretty special deal for him. Hope it works out.

As for Weis not knowing how to use Dex, it looked to me like they knew just how to use him. The ankle injury set him back, some, but considering everything, I thought they did what they could with what they had, and he’ll be an important part of the offense in 2011, if there’s a season.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 9, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure about Weis. It seemed to me he ran to many

third down pass plays where the receivers pattern wasn’t downfield far enough for a first, he seemed to want to rely on YAC. I think it drove Haley nuts that we couldn’t seem to get first downs with our guys not getting deep enough patterns.

by dubld on Apr 9, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know the blitz is coming.

You know there won’t be any time. You know the DBs are sittin’ at the sticks. It’s not pretty, but the only way to get the ball into the WR’s hands with a SHOT at the 1st is in that soft spot underneath, and hope somebody misses a tackle. You have the one guy likely to break a tackle and advance the ball in DBowe. T Mo’ ain’t gonna get any YAC with the D layin’ for ’im.

I didn’t love the playcalling, myself, but the Chiefs were limited. Weis was handcuffed, at least to an extent. Might a dangerous field-stretching WR change that equation? Maybe. And maybe that kind of guy keeps KC in games, down 2 scores in the 4th. The better teams eke out a few wins that way. The better teams DO score when it’s been a close game, both defenses are gassed, and you need the touchdown in under a minute.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 9, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Before I say that the coaching staff "didn't know how to use him"

Let’s see at least a couple of more seasons under his wing before we start saying we know what he is and how he should be used. For all we know, he can be used as a DB, but it’s hard to say at this point b/c it’s been half a season, considering his injury

Formerly: FalconMF27

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

by RememberDelaney37 on Apr 9, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

With Haley talking about potentially using Dex in a more "full-time 3rd-down RB" role

While I can foresee him being ran in some sweeps and draws, and being thrown to out of the backfield on 3rd down, what I interpret from this as well, is that they want to find ways to mismatch him against LBs, whether flairing out from the backfield, or running motion to get a LB covering him, not unlike how NO uses Reggie Bush regularly.

Formerly: FalconMF27

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

by RememberDelaney37 on Apr 9, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Teams will likely resort to nickel with Dex on the field, because of this.

And I can see him getting yards the old-fashioned way in those situations. And I’ve never seen a 2-back system featuring two guys like Dex and Jamaal, but with both those guys lined up in the middle, you have a scary 2nd wave of eligible receivers flying out of the backfield. Go fast, and they run over you. There’ve already been some big plays from Jamaal being catalyzed by sending Dex in the opposite direction…

I’ve often mulled the relative advantage of blocking versus drawing defenders as a screen threat. Don’t honor the threat, you get burned, which slows the pass rush as much or more than any RB (except maybe Brandon Jacobs) giving up 40 or 50 pounds to the guy he’s supposed to block.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 9, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do we need to draft a Slot WR?

We have a Dlineman as a backup Offensive Tackle and a SS/WR/TE playing backup RB and his name is not Dexter.

"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson

by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with your disagree.

Dex is flat-out a player. I think there was a little bit taken off his explosion by the ankle injury. I also think his short stature hurt him in the 2010 offense, because the windows were so small, and the timing was tough. Possibly the thing that hurt him the most was the fact that Jamaal Charles is ahead in the rotation. And part of JC’s success was the high degree of respect that defenses showed Dex. If you think JC worries people, NObody wanted to give Dex an inch of room, because (before the ankle) he was winning every single 1-on-1 I saw him in, even if advantage was to the defender.

Comparisons to Dante Hall are not valid, beyond the fact that they’re both short and very fast. Dex has better balance, better yards after contact (numerous finger tackles on Hall), and a natural receiver. To my eye, before he was hurt, he brought everything Jamaal brought, plus some extras. And this is no disrespect to Jamaal Charles, who’s a tracklete with a warrior’s heart. Dex is a player 1st and extremely athletic on top. My main concern with him AND Jamaal Charles is injuries, but more because, except for a few fireplugs like Thomas Jones, no RB can cheat the grim reaper forever against unblocked linemen. The greatest thing about Emmitt Smith was the OL he was fortunate enough to play behind. I’m really pleased to have TJ and scat-back-in-depth with JC and Dex.

As a WR, I can see Dex becoming the security blanket for Cassel. I just hope they get the lockout settled, so Cassel and Dex can fine-tune a few things. Just a little better security in the pocket, and teams will dread seeing Dex on the field.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why can't Cassel have workouts with his receivers?

That would show a lot to me about Cassel the Leader.

Cassel can arrange those easily and pay the lunch tab too,

With all nine of his receivers and 4 TE’s

"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson

by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the rules allow (and it IS a free country!), I'd be doing it.

Just for the fun of it! And part of the fun would be working out things at leisure that’d kick ass on game day.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

and build some comradery

"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson

by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I personally can't stand the Hall comparisons

Hall was a KR. That was it. Dex is a player and I agree with you there. During his college days he shaked and baked all over the field (typically coming from behind the line) and made many people, our own Urk Berry included, look stupid. I’m pumped we have him, I don’t think he should touch the ball every play, just every other play…jk.

I do think he needs to see the ball more and be used in sets that he ran in college, like the wildcat, in screens, and as a running back coming off tackle. He has a quick burst to the edge like JC and he jukes like he’s straight out of Madden. I worry about his health more as a slot man than I do as a RB.

2011 hopefuls: A new CBA, followed by a good draft, accented by a great season. In that order.

by shotty on Apr 9, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I want a Burner with AMAZING hands -

But I’ll settle for another playmaker.

by chiefsfan62 on Apr 8, 2011 12:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Sorry

I don’t think we can get one at 21 lol since there rare anyway

by Kmillz2525 on Apr 8, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lesson

Their – shows a multi-person possession “Their team is crappier than ours”
There – tells us somewhere else “you can find that over there”
They’re – They are “They’re rare anyways.”

Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!

by XtaC69Chief on Apr 8, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Math major

Sorry I wrote this during my break in classes and besides I’m a math major english doesn’t matter to me lol

by Kmillz2525 on Apr 8, 2011 1:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

A math MAJOR needs to understand grammar and meaning BETTER than 'most everybody else.

There ain’t a whole lot of different ways to say something students first see in Calculus 1:

Let f be a function of x. We say that the limit, as x approaches c, of f of x equals L if, for any epsilon greater than zero, there exists a delta greater than zero, such that if the nonzero difference between x and c is less than delta, then the difference between f of x and L is less than epsilon.

In other words I can make the function closer to the limit than any distance (epsilon) you care to name, just by taking the input, x close to c.

Heh. I ain’t even gonna preview this. It is what it is…

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So A Math major can't be called out on his English Usage

By a Math Professor?

"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson

by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

It came out pretty good, even with the handwritten < i > < / i > tags.

I missed the comma after the last ‘x.’

But I think the rest of it’s photo-ready copy. Heh.

The point is that a mathematician ought to be precise, when it comes to English. The stuff people call “math” is just shorthand English, after all. Any mathematical statement can be rendered in common English. it just takes a lot more penstrokes, which is why the shorthand was developed. Pack as much meaning as you can into x, and from then on, the one letter carries all that meaning. Three plus three equals 6 is not a separate language from 3 + 3 = 6. They read exactly the same way.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shoooot.......

Ain’t from a Math dude is fine english if you ask me.

by 78Chief on Apr 8, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pie equals infinite numbers

shorthand is the only way to express certain thoughts, but we ain’t talking Pie here.

Cept the Pie in the Sky variety.

AP needs to work the rookies into shape, somehow

"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson

by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The cool thing about Pi is the symbol represents EXACTLY what Pi is.

As for the other stuff, either you didn’t get one of my earlier points, or you disagree. That one was that the shorthand is a very practical convenience, but not really anything you couldn’t do – albeit less efficiently – in longhand. The main point is that math isn’t some mysterious foreign language, but a seamless extension of the common tongue.

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by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Habla Espano

Nein Englaise, Ich essen Fleish got dammerung.

Ach

What does this have to do with football? Plenty.

The global game, as I never tire of saying, is a universal language that we speak with different accents. Football is so fluid, so powerful and so popular that social forces find their expression on the pitch and in the stands.

English football, for example, in its mass form is the product of the world’s first industrial society, and continues to reflect those values – labour-intensive, where physical strength and reliability are highly prized.

Things are changing, especially as the big Premier League clubs become major international brands, but historically the gifted individual has always been mistrusted – whereas in South America he is deified.

In the semi-feudal, semi-capitalist state in which much of the continent exists, football is a means by which rigid hierarchies can be subverted.

When Colombian striker Faustino Asprilla joined Newcastle in England he was astonished to see that the fans became especially animated whenever the team won a corner. It is the ultimate collective moment – put the ball into the box, everyone attacks it and even the fans behind the goal try to suck it into the net.

In many South American countries a similar level of excitement in the stands is reached when, with a clever shimmy and a change of direction, the star player leaves an opponent floundering on his backside.

It may serve little objective purpose. The defender may be instantly up on his feet and snapping back into the tackle. But he has been humiliated. And the player who performed the trick has dramatically underlined his change of status.

Fate may have earmarked him for a mundane and unstable existence – a low paid, low prospects subservient sub-citizen, or maybe even cannon fodder for the mines.

However, his talent for the global game has enabled him to dribble round his destiny, and when he works a bit of magic, the crowd joins him in celebrating his escape.

Damn Soccer

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think we SHOULD get one at 21 -

But rather at 55.. and yes, even then we’ll still have several ‘burners’ to choose from.

by chiefsfan62 on Apr 8, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll settle for smart, crisp routes and great hands.

Depending on the defensive formation, if all your guys play that way, there’ll be a defender you can victimize.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is the WR I want most out of this draft b/c I know we arent gonna get Green or Jones

I would be happy with Torrey Smith or a few of the other guys but I am on the Pettis wagon and will not be getting off anytime soon.

by tomahawk44 on Apr 8, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pettis is the #1 WR I would want out of this draft

Mainly due to his hands/size and he will be a later round pick.

Little is climbing up for me though, Big/good hands/former RB that is hard to bring down in the open field

Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!

by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 8, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only thing about Young is that KC added some littler guys for team speed, already.

I still have Sly Morris hangover, maybe. I really liked the way the kid played the game, but college ball turned out to be his ceiling. DBs play a lot rougher and stand taller, and even the ones who don’t stand taller play meaner. I think I’d be holding my breath every time I saw Titus Young being tackled from behind by a big safety.

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by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not that high on Young to be honest

He is more a ‘poor mans’ Royal than Jackson IMO. He will have a hard time adjusting to the level of competition in the NFL not to mention how well some of the corners press

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 9, 2011 6:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes on Titus Young!

He’s on my mock for Round 2.

He’s been consistently clocking in the 4.3 range – and is just effortless in and out of his breaks.

Did I mention he can catch the ball!

by chiefsfan62 on Apr 8, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I don't get is...

The love fest ive been seeing for Julio Jones. I understand the kid is a playmaker. But let’s compare his scouting report to DBowes.

Size:
DBowe: 6’2" 221lbs. JJones: 6’2" 220lbs.

40 times:
DBowe: 4.4(LSU ProDay) JJones:4.39(Combine)

10yd dash:
DBowe:1.52 JJones: 1.5

20yd Shuttle:
DBowe: 4.35 JJones: 4.25

So inconsensus, they both have about the same speed and burst.

Is JC Jesus Christ or Jamaal Charles? I think they both will be our savior.

by 25JCPavedTheWay on Apr 8, 2011 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

So??

Jones would be an amazing addition to the offense and would compliment it very well. We need someone who will block and can go up and get a ball. Jones fits that bill very well. Everyone says Cassel can’t throw the deep ball which I’ve yet to decide on so get him what he is already successful with. We’ve got a couple speed guys in Horne and Tucker.

by Bsketbal52 on Apr 8, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

And?

I wouldn’t mind another Bowe. In fact, that’d be perfect for Cassel.

Add in the ability to block and Jones would be perfect for our offense.

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by MNchiefsfan on Apr 8, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not implying...

That we cant use another DBowe… Because I would love nothing more than that. I just have seen suggestions of moving forward in the draft to pick this kid up, when we can have someone who is the same mold, in Leonard Hankerson. Just seen too much of a jizz fest over someone who isn’t much better than Hankerson.

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by 25JCPavedTheWay on Apr 8, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

For instance....

Let’s refer to their stats for 2010.
Jones: 78 Receptions for 1133yds. Averaging 14.5ypc. 7TDs.
Hankerson: 72 Receptions for 1156yds. Averaging 16.1ypc. 13TDs.

So based off stats, Hankerson was more productive with less catches.

Again: Jones ran a 4.39 40. Hank ran a 4.43. Jones had a 38in vert, while Hank had a 36.

Guess I just don’t see why Jones is top 10 worthy, while Hankerson is projected 2nd round.

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by 25JCPavedTheWay on Apr 8, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice to have that weight with decent speed.

And you can afford to drop a few pounds after NFL-caliber conditioning. Still a load for DBs, without losing any speed.

But on Walter, the difference is closer to 10 pounds than to 20. 220 versus 209.

While I’m “on record” as preferring an OL, this convo is getting me to consider Hankerson as maybe being a good value for the Chiefs at the bottom of the 2nd, if he’s still on the board at ?#55?

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many Pounds will Taylor Shed under Haley?

Will he end up at svelte 315 lbs like Ron Edwards

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would he do that?

He seems to have slimmed down enough anyway.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 8, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haley can make him a Three down player

Run Taylor Run

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

But we run the Nickel on 3rd downs

And we’ve already got our Nickel guys in place.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 8, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

wasted roster spot?

No, we need MORE DL talent, but if Taylor is the Guy he will learn to curse again when Haley begins his conditioning program :)

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It could get pretty ridiculous out there

Him and B-Rich could eat the coaches.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 8, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

they could Richardson already curses Muir

Damn Frankenstein!

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is the thing forgotten about Ron Edwards

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Wait what?

That he’s…not a two down player?

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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 8, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Taylor is a two down player

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

By ChiefWarPaint: The current nickel is weaker than it should be against the run.

I don’t think that nickel is set. If anything, it looked like they were really scrambling to put together something convincing.

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by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember that being a focus in the Offseason

Specifically in TC

Actually the Nickel was pretty good against the run from what I can recall. We just couldn’t get enough pressure and our coverage was lacking against TEs especially.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 9, 2011 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice post, good thought

But can we please, everybody, stop calling Dex DMC? There’s already a guy with that nickname in the NFL, and now that he’s a good player there’s no excuse at all for swiping a nickname from a freaking Raider, of all people.

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by MNchiefsfan on Apr 8, 2011 5:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Those letters stand for something more suggestive of a Raider, don't they?

I think it’s contextual. I don’t think anyone is confused when an APer slips up and uses DMC for our guy. And may the better player claim the label. When the Chiefs defeat the Faders in the Divisional, there’ll be ONE DMC still playin’.

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by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Run DMC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B_UYYPb-Gk

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a question here ...

… and i know it’s going to get 94 different andswers and opinions, which is awesome …

we had WR’s on the left side all year long … Chambers and others, plus Dex in the slot, and this guy and that guy … now, bottom line is that Cassel tossed to Bowe almost all the time, so the question is: why? did those guys all run the wrong route and end up out of bounds or off the map? were they all double-covered and that’s why Bowe was open? did Cassel not see them because they were covered with “invisibility cream” every day? did Cassel not throw to them because he didn’t have time? or maybe because the play was simply designed to go the other way … or maybe because he’s not very adept at throwing to his left?

right then, my one question turned into about a dozen, all of whch lead to this: with all the other WR’s we had and we STILL didn’t throew the ball that way, why do we “OMG NEED” someone else there right this very second and “it’s the end of the universe if we don’t get a top-flight WR on the others side of Bowe”

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by upamtn on Apr 8, 2011 5:48 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Simple

Bowe needs a backup in case he gets hurt :)

I’m not a NFL GM but I did eat at Bryants today!

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

remember this stretch of games in 2009 without Bowe

2009

vs Pittsburgh
C. Chambers 4 119 0 61
L. Long 2 37 0 30
L. Pope 2 26 1 21T
M. Bradley 1 22 0 22
M. Cox 1 19 0 19
B. Wade 3 17 0 9
J. Charles 2 8 1 6

vs San Diego
C. Chambers 7 70 1 14
J. Charles 3 54 0 49
B. Wade 2 20 0 12
L. Long 2 15 0 9
M. Cox 2 11 0 8
T. Castille 2 9 0 6
Ko. Smith 1 5 0 5
L. Pope 1 -3 0 -3

vs Denver
B. Wade 4 36 0 15
L. Long 2 28 0 16
B. Cottam 3 21 0 13
L. Pope 2 18 0 11
C. Chambers 2 11 0 6
Q. Lawrence 1 9 0 9
T. Castille 1 8 0 8
J. Charles 1 3 0 3

vs Buffalo
C. Chambers 4 50 0 24
L. Pope 4 45 0 16
J. Charles 7 38 0 10
M. Bradley 3 35 0 22
B. Wade 4 34 0 22
B. Cottam 1 26 0 26
M. Cox 1 2 0 2
L. Long 2 -6 0 -2

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'd've been pretty happy with the same Chambers in 2010.

The fact that he was a team captain suggests he was limited by injury, rather than attitude. I hope he didn’t hit the wall.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Something was up

The Chiefs have shown zero displeasure with Chris Chambers so far

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree.

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by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

But I also have some technical issues with him as a receiver.

Seems like he still has a few bad tendencies. Maybe he’s just playing to be able to come back and fight another day, but he doesn’t seem to attack the ball. Great if he’s open and you can put the ball in reach. Natural catching the ball, in that respect. That’s the thing that attracts me to a player like Pettis. A guy who’ll turn a few of those close ones into completions.

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by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe

We have no idea till he does it and no idea until we draft him.

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I knew that

I was refering to Pettis

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coming after my critique, I wanted to make sure.

Maybe YOU have technical issues with Pettis, though. I don’t. Not enough observations.

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by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

My assumption is very safe

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you ate at Bryant's you did better than any NFL GM ... unless Scott had carryout :-)

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by upamtn on Apr 8, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does Cassel trust anyone who lined up on the left side?

I don’t think we should put a high pick into a receiver since our offense really did not look concerned about not having a stud #2. However IF Cassel would start throwing to that receiver it would open up the offense even more.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 8, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

did he not throw because he didn't trust the WR to be there? or catch the ball?

or because he was told to just throw to the right?

remember, he’s on a fast 3-step drop designed to eliminate sacks … that also eliminates time to look both ways before crosses the street defense

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by upamtn on Apr 8, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that and...

We never really had a consistent number 2…. Chambers was bad, started dropping everything thrown at him… Tucker showed flashes, and Horne, well, he never made it.

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by 25JCPavedTheWay on Apr 8, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trent Green always had 2 guys ...

at least if you count Gonzo and “Fast” Eddie Kennison

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by upamtn on Apr 8, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

You put your finger on what I'm thinking, Ups.

Great running game, with great RB and athletic OL, but purely skin-of-the-teeth in the passing game. I really wanna see ‘em do a better job against the blitz. A sure-thing, short and intermediate target who gets open FAST might make the decisive difference, but I’d much rather rely on trench play that gave a larger number of GOOD receivers get an extra second to break down coverages. So I’m thinking blocking TE and OL before WR, for sure, at this point in the team-build. It gives you a better shot at discovering a diamond-in-the-rough @ WR and it gives any top prospect you add (later) his best chance of success. You get much better mileage out of your skill guys when the foundation on which they stand is properly built, to mix my metaphors…

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by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait for it

We can’t wait for it, have to have that WR now, and that NT and that SOLB. We have NO time to wait for what we already have to develope. OUT with the known and in with the Unknown (New) is the way to go. Out with the Old like 30 is old and in with the new 22 year old rookie that is going to WOW all of us with what he CAN do

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree with you more.

But keep in mind, the real concentration of 30-year-olds is in the trenches. Edwards, Smith (is close, isn’t he?), Waters, Wiegmann (Lilja is late 20s?).

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by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

What exactly is known?

NT: An old Nose(Who isn’t on the roster IIRC) who’s effectiveness waned in the latter half of the season. A DE-NT(Who also isn’t on the roster IIRC) who’s more effective at DE, and who’s effectiveness also waned throughout the season. Or the 3rd string UDFA, who in no way shape or form is ready to start.

SOLB: Old ineffective leader, younger player who has unknown potential, or a rookie who was injured last year with a neck injury.

WR: One great WR who disappears sometimes in games, an old WR who wasn’t even on the playing roster 3/4 of the time, a slot guy who may be better out the back field, and a speedier guy who could develop into something but right now isn’t a starter.

Basically from what I can see two positions have unknown talent potential in the wings, and both of these need another body(Rookie or FA) in there to provide competition. Nose Tackle seems to be the only position where we can’t wait for talent to develop, the issue is drastic there. I’d include Center as well to the other side of the trenches.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 8, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only Drastic if you assume that Weigman and Edwards are DEAD

The Chiefs are not in THAT position.

Free Agency can solve a number of positions, my thought is that Defensive lineman take a year or two to be good players (Jackson and Dorsey) While Offensive lineman paired up in pre-season are usually sink or swim. Why spend two seasons waiting on DL when we can draft OL and Get FA d-line depth.

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

They may not be dead

But they are dieing. Wiegmann barely lasted through the season, Edwards was good the first half but bad the 2nd, and I don’t see that getting any better this season. So for the most part we are dead in that position, for one thing we don’t have depth there, and for another these players aren’t even on our roster so who knows if they’ll retire or we can even bring them back.

Tell me a FA NT right now, who’s at least above-average and young, I’d love to know of one not named Ron Edwards. We just can’t keep putting this off, we have to draft one and develop him. I’m fine with grabbing a center in this draft as long as we get a NT.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 8, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Toribio was your backup at work?

would you not get wore down too

We need about 5 guys (roster guys) to actually have depth in the 3-4 Defensive line.
So we resign Edwards and Smith and draft Taylor and maybe Neild in the late 5-6 and we would still need another 3-4 DE player in the 2-4 range. I don’t want our D-line to wear out in the 2011 season so we need a bunch of bodies to rotate. That is why I would again prefer to go FA on Defense lineman and Draft Offensive lineman

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Name me some FA Nose Tackles then

And 5 roster guys: Dorsey, Jackson, Toribio, Gilberry & Taylor/or other Rookie NT of choice.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 8, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant 5 more

total 8-9 D-lineman on the 53 man roster

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 9, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds expensive

And doesn’t seem like the Chiefs MO :p

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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 9, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

But it might not be outta line if the purpose is to land some good ones.

There are numerous nose tackles that have high up-side and meet the general criteria that are likely to be up for grabs in rounds 3 and 4 and possibly 5. But what do the Chiefs do if JJ Watts or Cam Jordan sit there @ #21? And if KC nabs Phil Taylor, as some think they might, then carrying 8 or 9 DLs is overkill.

I can see goin’ rich at the nose and carry extra LBs. Remember what happened in ’09, when it LOOKED like KC had plenty of wide bodies competing, and the dice came up snake-eyes.

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by hmills110 on Apr 9, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see a purpose in grabbing a DE at 21 tbh

We have plenty of depth at the position, and the class is so deep this year there will be guys late that wouldn’t be there usually. If I had to choose I’d much rather have Cam Jordan though, not JJ Watt.

I like how you think though, I’d like some better LBs though I’d like to see what we can do with the talent we have. That really seems to be our MO.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 9, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess that's where we part ways, then.

I don’t think Dorsey is ideally suited as 3-4 DE. Workable, perhaps, but another 3-4 DE to PLAY 3-4 DE and then I don’t have to watch Shaun Smith rushing the passer from the 5 tech, when Jackson’s got a hang-nail. Or maybe I see less of Dorsey trying it. And I feel a whole lot better about nose tackle, with Shaun Smith in THAT rotation. So I see the position getting an upgrade, even if they don’t address it directly, or (my preference) they bring in a solid FA, while they bide their time on spending their 1st on NT of the future.

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by hmills110 on Apr 11, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The top NTs all have big question marks

Ok ok new idea! We trade our 7th round pick to the Ravens for Cody/Ngata/Flacco.. We give them a pick for all their scrubs

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 11, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or maybe just bide your time, and get incrementally better short-term with FA

and/or just free up Smith to go to NT rotation, with another DE in the mix, and maybe one with better fundamentals than Dorsey. I’ve been patient with Dorsey, and I think he does a lot of things very well. Clearly a great athlete, but at this point, I’m leaning toward the “trade” side of that old, worn-out debate.

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by hmills110 on Apr 12, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dorsey really needs to put it all together

Another year of flashes here and there, but when Hali is coming off his edge and tacking at least the LT with him Dorsey should be able to beat a LG. There were times he did beat his man/men and got into the backfield but then he just disappeared

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 13, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chambers should have been Cut

He Was not

Please explain why?

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have no idea

You’d have to ask Pioli, Haley made it pretty clear he was distancing himself from Chambers throughout the season. They’re probably willing to give him another chance next season, to at least compete for the job.

You know what would be good competition? Bringing in a hungry rookie to compete.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 8, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really

Have no ideas on this at all?

Don’t suppose an injury, something lingering for a vet.

Hell even a the Chiefs are Cheap and paid the guy so want something out of him.

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again

He’s another old player, how many years does he have left? How do we know this isn’t lingering for another season? Rather pick up a guy to compete with him this season, then not do that at all.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 8, 2011 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well put, CWP.

One hardly feels like they can afford to sit still.

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by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Time

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll help you on your way to 94 responses, Ups.

I’m not certain of its weight, but one factor is where the heat’s coming from. I think Cassel does a fair amount of “by the numbers” passing, when the heat’s on. And there’s also the matter of vision and throwing windows being allowed by where the pressure’s coming from.

i’m really agnostic on these questions, Ups, either thru ignorance, failure to pay attention, or (my favorite) there are protection issues that prevent a solid read. Let’s see Cassel get enough time and space and then talk about whether he’s the weak link or not.

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by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you answered your own questions with other questions ups.

Only dex was wearing the invisibility cream. Tucker ran out of bounds on every play. Urban ran the wrong routes. Chambers was always double covered. Alot of the plays were designed to go elsewhere, since we got a tight end who is way better at catching the ball and getting open than any of these guys IMO. Cassel sucks at throwing to his left, he can’t even turn his head that way or it will spin off his shoulders. And he didn’t have time to throw to any of these fellas because the opposing teams were eating him for lunch in about 2 seconds from snap. So the OBVIOUS choice to everyone would be that we need a fast reciever who will take at least 4 seconds to get open and will only run 40 to 50 yard routes. Then he will turn around a sprint back to the line and do it again. The good news for him however would be that he would be able to skip all offseason training because he would already be in shape…………..

The media has their winners picked every year, why go with the flow when you can go with the Chiefs. To the Super Bowl!

by redsea-KC on Apr 9, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

play calling maybe. If you have a simple progression for check downs and the

primary WR is covered, you move on to the next one. If the plays primary is to the left, and I am not sure of your observation to begin with, is covered then your check down moves away from the left. If the primary is to the right side and the check downs are heading left and oops your time is up and get rid of the ball, none gets to the left. However, I got to say separation seemed to be an issue most of the year in why several of our guys were not open.

by dubld on Apr 8, 2011 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Is it possible that Cassel looks at Bowe first, then Moeaki, A RB

I agree that more time would give more read time, but it seemed that the coaches put a stop-watch in Cassels thoughts this last year. Which is good, cause he needed one.

So we should expend great effort and picks on Offensive lineman

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sherrod then Wisniewski then maybe Moffit for the 1st three picks?

That right side should be Great in a year or so

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be one to burn extra picks on OL, but I ain't sure

Pioli said something about long-term picks, but I still think there’s a fair amount of urgency. If he goes OL, I suspect there’ll be emphasis on starting earlier rather than later. I wonder what they think about Richardson. And I think the current interior line will be eaten alive by 2011 opponents. I think if we add a top WR before OL is ironed out, we’ll have us one frustrated possible head-case of a rookie WR. I’d draft OL and, short-term, sign a physical vet with good hands. Follow the Walsh/Polian philosophy on initial team-build.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be the right side

I read somewhere that most teams like to book-end newbies with experienced players.

LT – Rookie – Center – Rookie – RT, this is what Cleveland or SF did last year.

Rookie – LG – Center – whatevs you get the point.

The Chiefs could go

Albert – Waters – Rookie – Lilja – Rookie – this year and I doubt it would affect the overall record at all

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they manage 10 wins in 2011, it'll mean they IMPROVED.

Matching the 2010 record is going to take more in the trenches. Seems to me like Pioli likes to spread out the upgrades. Maybe ONE high OL pick to immediately start, instead of 2. And maybe just ONE d-line addition (DE or NT. I think Smith gives the Chiefs flexibility on that.) and the whole position group might solidify. I might even prefer just the one DE, because I see instant upgrade in Smith over Toribio, and I think maybe they could find a more convincing pass rusher at DE than Smith. While I’m a big fan of nickel, I think maybe KC played more of it than they wanted, because they knew they couldn’t hold up once Edwards wore down. Just splitting snaps with Smith makes Edwards better, imo.

For all the criticism, I’ve seen numerous occasions where Edwards DID bring it. Was it Bewsaf or Kalo or ? who did the nice d-line breakdowns last year, or am I just imagining things? Seems to me like Edwards had some decent games, and Toribio didn’t have quite enough lead in his ass to come off the bench and hold the point.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kalo

Edwards is the current Dorsey form 2009, maybe even the Jackson from last year. The guys busts his ass all alone and wears out from overuse and

should

be replaced post haste

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Asamoah is still such a big ? for the center position

With the ZBS if we employed a rookie RT or C or G that should help them progress faster since its not 1v1 man blocking

Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!

by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 9, 2011 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Especially early in the season he looked like he was in handcuffs, but the end result was

less turnovers. After watching Cassel that first year he tried to win regardless of down and distance, forcing throws taking big hits and seeing all for naught as his pass was dropped. I became a huge fan of Cassel’s and hope we get him some help this year.

by dubld on Apr 9, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok My Two Cents in on this.....

It seems the major issue we are having with our receivers are them not being able to get very much separation early into their routes and then at the end of their routes. Multiple issues are going on with our Offense when it comes to passing play’s.

1. I noticed that even after coming back from a ankle injury Dex towards the end seemed to get open quite often at the beginning of his routes. His quickness was a assest that was not used correctly by the coaching staff or by Cassel. There was a few times that I felt I saw Cassel try to force the pass with Dex after he had been open for a number of plays before. Cassel is just not seeing that opening quick enough to make that play to Dex. In retrospect its not going to matter who we put in at that slot receiver Cassel is going to have problems making that play until he feels comfortable with his line.

2. Moeaki was open a few times over the middle and in the flats and Cassel was able to hit him a few times. Other times he missed him being open and then again forced the issue on the following series after he was either told he was missing the read or went back and studied the photo’s.

3. He really looked to Bowe in almost every passing attempt. I don’t blame him with the success those two generated in that two or three game stint. The problem is I don’t feel Bowe is that great at generating separation. On top of that he really faced some good play from the Corners after that run.

4. The O-Line let Cassel down plain and simple. Our Center wore out IMO. Our Right Tackle in reality was playing his first year as a starter at RT. Our LT had a mediocre year in Pass Protection. Our RT was a disappointment in pass protection at times. They wore out IMO. Start of the year they were working on getting their mojo together as a group. The hit that stride around mid season to the later end. Towards the end they played in spurts. They did not give their QB the confidence going into the Post Season to allow for a consistant passing attack.

So those are my points that I saw this last season. We have Dex and Moeaki that tried to relieve some pressure for the passing game. We need another receiver that runs crisp routes, has the ability and the understanding on how to use his body to ward off defenders and make that catch between 6 and 15 yards. That is what we are missing IMHO. Bowe goes up and gets balls. He does not IMO run very clean routes and uses his body to fend off defenders. We need that second option at all times on the field. The one person that stands out to me as being able to use his body to benefit his QB is Hankerson. I am sure there are others out there he is the only one I have seen and does a wonderful job at it.

by 78Chief on Apr 8, 2011 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Thanks and Rec

The Chiefs need to target the WR that fits what we do and get him.

Work the draft around THAT guy. If Hankerson is the guy then we need to take him at #21 and work from there. I could care less about positional value at this moment, I could care less at grabbing a similar later for value and of course I would love to trade down and pick up the target too.

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Positional vs Draft value

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, the sense opposes the intent, since you clearly mean you could NOT care less.

To say you COULD care less means that you actually care…

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

My intent is hidden

even from my Self, it comes out in late nite dreams of Tacos and Parachute Infantry regiments.

I Sense maybe an invasion of our 51st State is in order in 2012, maybe December

Yeah, that’s the ticket

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well played.

The problem is I don’t feel Bowe is that great at generating separation.

Nice, physical receiver, who’ll win a lot of the battles for the ball, but your numbers aren’t going to be great if every ball is contested. To my eye, the issue with the route running is I’m not seeing a clean plant-and-cut with that outside foot.

Cassel appeared to have to do a lot of passing-by-the-numbers or, as predetermined from the sideline. No time to just find the open man. Maybe Cassel’s a weak link in that dept, but I agree that OL needs to do better before I put Cassel under the microscope.

I know exactly what you mean, and I congratulate your way of putting it. There DID seem to be a lot of forcing the ball to the primary, because there was no time to check down. To Cassel’s credit, his INTs were very low, despite this, although you could almost see defenses taking turns which guy to shut down on a play, based on the play before.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bigger I mean Huge Targets would work

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cassel learned how to ditch the ball last season, instead of forcing it so often. The old

saying about livin to fight another day, when you turn the ball over there may not be another day.

by dubld on Apr 11, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

And what I'm talking about is late in the game, when conservatism has you in a hole

and you have to make something happen. That’s when the pick came against the Ravens. And at the critical moment, Cassel forced the ball into coverage against a pass rush he should have been able to avoid. A whole game or season of conservatism will do that to a QB, who’s just trying to do his best to respond to training, but it is a concern, when I see those kinds of things happen. When the game’s on his shoulders, how does he respond?

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 12, 2011 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn I still haven't figured out why a 6'6 258 lb TE could not do that
Notre Dame hosted its pro day Thursday with TE Kyle Rudolph serving as the main attraction. The 6-6, 258-pounder ran in the high 4.7/low 4.8 range, pounded out 19 reps on the bench and posted a 34.5-inch vertical. Even more impressive was his short shuttle time of 4.36, a very solid performance for the big tight end who proved he can quickly change directions and get out of his breaks (a more valued attribute for the tight end position than straight-line speed).


ICON
Rudolph had a strong workout Thursday.
Rudolph is coming back from hamstring surgery and it was his first performance catching the football in front of scouts since October, which was another area Rudolph stood out in. When looking at this guy up close he almost looks like an undersized offensive tackle prospect and has one of the biggest radiuses to throw at of any prospect in the country. He displayed good body control, balance and coordination during pass-catching drills, cleanly plucking the football off his frame and adjusting to the catch. And despite his lack of elite straight-line speed, I can still see him making plenty of plays down the seam because of his ability to go up and make a play on the football even when covered.

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Regarding Rudolph..

When looking at this guy up close he almost looks like an undersized offensive tackle prospect and has one of the biggest radiuses to throw at of any prospect in the country.

He reminds me of a Power Forward – and the big guy is sporting like single digit body fat.

Options baby, do we take Kyle @ 21?

by chiefsfan62 on Apr 8, 2011 10:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

would he be the best Receiver option?

not a blocker at all but could be a huge Wide out for the short-intermediate throws.

Flowers would be totally pissed :)

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carr got better working against Bowe everyday in practice

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

^ This

If this season was a "rebuilding" season, I can't wait to see what we're capable of once we're "rebuilt".

by GetYourRedOn on Apr 8, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ingram is a luxery Pick

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 8, 2011 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes he would be

Not disagreeing with that one.

I would like a Royale with Cheese

by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 8, 2011 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be watching to see if he slipped, if I thought he was true all-around talent.

Be nice to have a pro set that was just flat-out BIG and PHYSICAL, with a mini-OT threatening to roll over the strong side of the D.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's not that great of a blocker

I’d rather grab a guy late tbh.

Would he be valuable sure no doubt. But there’s no way he falls to our pick anyways. Shoot he could go in the late first.

I would like a Royale with Cheese

by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 9, 2011 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

So he's huge.

Can he block? I’d rather a great blocker with sure hands than an oversized receiving TE who’s a liability in the run game or in protections. I like getting production out of the TE because he’s wide open due to not being overly relied upon. A guy who signals run intentions by coming on the field, but will catch the open pass on the changeup. I loved the outta nowhere Kevin Boss thing a few years back. He gets open not with speed, but with the sell-out D against the play fake his presence forces the D to respect.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correction.

Boss is taken seriously, now, but you STILL have to respect him in the run game, assuming the G’ints regain their former punch from the OL.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 8, 2011 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really liked...

What I saw from Tony Moeaki last season. He showed that he obviously is a great receiving option and was a huge factor in the run game. He was very good at the point of attack and even down field blocking.

If you are going to draft a TE in the first round, he had better be a starter, and Im just not sure that Kyle Rudolph is a better overall TE than Moeaki…

Is JC Jesus Christ or Jamaal Charles? I think they both will be our savior.

by 25JCPavedTheWay on Apr 9, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

The criteria I laid out aren't really 1st-round criteria for a TE.

I saw the same things you saw in Moeaki, and, frankly, I’d rather have him than a 1st-rounder who needs to learn how to block. Folks still talk about how Tony G is very good at blocking, considering his receiving skills, but I still don’t see him as all that great of a blocker, and I think that top marks as a blocker and good hands lead to more wins than being a great receiver. Versatility at TE and RB are, to me, more conducive to wins than 1-trick ponies. You don’t want to signal to the defense what they need to worry about just by who’s on the field. I want ’em worrying about everything on every snap.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 9, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

We could remove the TE designation and just use him as a WR

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 9, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't think he has the speed for it.

He’s a great route-runner though so there is a possibility.

I would like a Royale with Cheese

by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 9, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a shame we do not have that luxury as of yet. And that is what I think Haley is

after, putting a ton of pressure on the D, giving him options to open up this offens.

by dubld on Apr 9, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not a Dex fan either

A guy of his speed with less than 100 touches should never have a 3.9 rushing average. His best runs were all called back because of holding and the holding on those plays was to prevent him getting cracked by a defender. Hes not gonna bulk up anymore without decreasing his speed and quickness so i really dont see what we can do with him. Threw screens to him, he couldnt make the first man miss outside of one play against San Fran. Cassel threw quick slants to him and he would drop them one out of three times. Outside of screens and quick slants, he has no other feasible routes and if he cant really be consistent with those two, i wouldnt mind trading him to the Miami Dolphins where the could utilize him in the wild cat.

by JC25FoMVP on Apr 9, 2011 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Seriously

You are talking about trading a 2nd round pick away after his first year because he didn’t adjust to the speed of the game yet and wasn’t a polished route runner coming off of his last college season being a RB???

Formerly: FalconMF27

Thanks for the inspiration, Bajah!

by RememberDelaney37 on Apr 9, 2011 8:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Lets quote me

“if he cant really be consistent with those two, i wouldnt mind trading him to the Miami Dolphins where the could utilize him in the wild cat.”

IF he cant be consistent with those two important routes over the next couple of seasons, i’d rather him not be a member of the chiefs because thats essential to his play. He did not execute those plays on a consistent enough basis. He has an extremely long offseason to work on route running, but if he cant execute those routes….how is he valuable to this team. I believe he had ample opportunity to prove himself as a consistent playmaker. I truly think he is extremely overrated as of now. You’d hear announcers talking about how big of a threat he is when he was on the field, then he would follow up with a 2 yard rush. Im not saying hes destined to fail, i just am really disappointed in the rookie season he had.

by JC25FoMVP on Apr 12, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Respectfully disagree with your take on Dex, JC25FoMVP.

But he needs to play an entire season the way he started 2010. He was fast-pathing to more touches, when he got hurt. Before he got hurt, he looked like a money player, able to win against perfect defense by individual effort. And he looked pretty sure-handed, to ME. The best guy at securing the ball and making a QUICK move after the catch. Might be just me, but after taking a long time to come back from the ankle, he didn’t seem like quite the same freakishly quicker than mere mortals guy anymore.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Apr 9, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well....

I don’t believe in trading a 2nd round pick after season 1, that’s not good business… and like hmills said, he just wasnt the same after the injury. But I think given time he will be back to his old self again.

Is JC Jesus Christ or Jamaal Charles? I think they both will be our savior.

by 25JCPavedTheWay on Apr 9, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Edmund Gates in the draft in rounds 3 or 4

ut i wouldn’t be surprised if the Raiders reached for him

Float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee!

1.Akeem Ayers OLB UCLA
2. Rodney Hudson G/C Florida St
3. Jerrel Powe NT Ole Miss
4. Edmund Gates WR Abilene Christian
5. Joseph Barksdale OT LSU
5. Ian Williams NT Notre Dame
6. Mario Fannin RB Auburn
7. T.J Yates QB North Carolina
7 Alex Wujciak ILB Maryland

by IamtheGreatest on Apr 10, 2011 1:24 AM CDT reply actions  

but

Float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee!

1.Akeem Ayers OLB UCLA
2. Rodney Hudson G/C Florida St
3. Jerrel Powe NT Ole Miss
4. Edmund Gates WR Abilene Christian
5. Joseph Barksdale OT LSU
5. Ian Williams NT Notre Dame
6. Mario Fannin RB Auburn
7. T.J Yates QB North Carolina
7 Alex Wujciak ILB Maryland

by IamtheGreatest on Apr 10, 2011 1:24 AM CDT reply actions  

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