Exploring the Current Chiefs Roster - WR
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 4, 2011 6:33 PM CDT
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The Kansas City Chiefs have 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9. Yep, 9 WR's under contract. Position wise.
Possession WR:
Dwayne Bowe, Quinten Lawrence, and Kevin Curtis
Speed WR:
Chris Chambers, Jeremy Horne, Verran Tucker, and Chandler Williams
Slot WR:
Jerheme Urban and Dexter McCluster
Shouldn't that be enough WR's on any team? What seems to be the issue?
We have a nice mix of receivers. Some Old.
Chris Chambers WR 5-11 210 32 10 Wisconsin
Kevin Curtis WR 6-0 186 32 8 Utah State
Some in their Prime
Jerheme Urban WR 6-3 207 30 6 Trinity (TX)
Dwayne Bowe WR 6-2 221 26 4 LSU
Some that might be the Future.
Dexter McCluster WR 5-8 170 22 R Mississippi
Quinten Lawrence WR 6-0 184 26 2 McNeese State
Positives: Adequate height and has a wiry strength. Extremely fast and quick. Eats up cushion by exploding off the line and getting on top of the corner before he knows it. Sells the outside or deep route well and cuts quickly to the inside or comes back to the ball. Catches the ball with his reliable hands, able to go outside his frame. Quick feet into and out of routes. Good vision and a naturally elusive runner with the ball in his hands. Efforts downfield blocking on quick screens and run plays. Could have impact as a returner because of his speed and willingness to go straight upfield. Link
Chandler Williams WR 5-11 176 25 1 Florida International
Positives: Has quick feet, good change of direction agility and the vision to avoid defenders … Makes sharp open-field cuts and has the second gear to separate after the catch … Demonstrates suddenness accelerating through his routes and gets to top speed in a hurry … Possesses good plant and cut agility with good lateral speed … Has that natural release to elude the press, but will get rerouted if a defender attacks his jersey … Can reinforce coverage with his foot speed and sinks his hips and comes off his plants in an instant to freeze defenders … Separates from the secondary after the catch and shows good focus maintaining contact on the ball in flight … Makes natural adjustments to the ball on returns … Has soft hands, catching the ball outside the framework … Runs crisp routes, showing the body control and extension to get to off-target throws … Good at locating soft areas on the field and has a knack for sticking and driving through his patterns to find the seam in the zone … His juking and jittery moves after the catch allows him to escape and he shows willingness to go for the ball in a crowd … His initial burst generally will stretch the defense … Can handle return duties in an emergency … Has the balance to adjust to the ball in flight and does a nice job of extending his arms to catch outside his frame … Can turn up field quickly thanks to sharp cutting agility … Will take a hit in order to get to and hold on to the ball … Has a good feel for coverage and does a good job of slipping under arm tackles. Link
Jeremy Horne WR 6-2 193 24 R Massachusetts
Massachusetts WR Jeremy Horne ran the 40-yard dash in 4.42 seconds, had a short shuttle of 4.18 seconds,and a three cone drill in 6.82 seconds. He also measured a 36-inch vertical jump and a 10-foot-4 broad jump. Horne showed good explosion for a receiver in his change of direction drills. Link
Verran Tucker WR 6-1 204 22 R California
Release: Still developing his technique in this area, but has enough lateral agility and suddenness to defeat press coverage. Eats up the cushion against zone coverage and has a second gear to get behind the defense.
Hands: Better than expected. Shows soft hands to pluck the ball out of air, as well as the long arms to extend outside of his framework. Good body control to adjust to the poorly throw pass behind or low. A natural leaper who times his jump well and catches the ball at its highest point. May be able to make an immediate impact in the NFL as a red-zone target on fade routes due to this ability.
Route running: Quicker feet than you'd expect for a long, skinny-legged athlete, but remains quite raw in this area. Flashes the ability to plant his foot and drive for the slant route, but too often rounds off his longer routes, including the deep out and post, which will lead to NFL defensive backs easily recognizing the play. More sudden acceleration than most receivers his size, but is still learning how to use this to his advantage.
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The interesting issue is this guy. The Wide Receiver whisperer is definitely not whispering enough.
Maybe Yelling is more apropriate by now. "I HATE WASTING DRAFT PICKS ON WR'S!" sayeth Scott Pioli.
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This would have been alot easier by just saying
Dwayne Bowe and a bunch of scrubs.
by craig in calgary on Apr 4, 2011 6:39 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe
But for some reason Peyton Manning makes all his scrubs look good!
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 4, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
^^
this.
Scott Pioli for President in 2012. Experience? If the current President doesn't need it, why does Pioli? Besides, Pioli has the blue collar work ethic with a white collar brain. He has humility. He is tough on security. He supports war on Sundays. And he makes sound, fiscally conservative decisions.
by chief Stevie_k on Apr 4, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait
You are saying we don’t have a QB as good as Peyton Manning??? I guess we better pack it in then if we can’t get 1st round WRs all around :-)
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors" - Frank Gifford
by FalconMF27 on Apr 5, 2011 8:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It would take more than Peyton Manning to make our assortment of WRs look good.
Bowe, an aging Curtiss and a promising Dex in the slot are the only WRs worth a damn. We are in trouble if we don’t add at least two effective WRs for 2011. Draft and FA must produce those two. I think the nearest WR to Bowe produced about 40 fewer catches. Poor, poor, poor, poor.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Rivers had PS guys getting 100 yard games last season
Easy to catch when he sticks it in your facemask.
There's no dollar sign on a peace of mind, this I've come to know. So if you agree, have a drink with me, and raise your glasses for a toast.
- Zac Brown
yep
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
yep
although McCluster has some potential. What we really need is someone who can stretch the field.
Dex is going to be great... at what he does best
which is catching the ball out of the backfield, and trick plays
I think they just need better full-time WRs to go with him
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
Right on Dex in backfield as 3rd down back or in slot. We need at least two additional , effective WOs.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I'd like to see us get another solid possession guy.
Matt Cassel isn’t a gunslinger, so making a deep threat, vertical, WR as our #2 seems to be a little bit of a waste.
A talented guy with a similar skill set as Bowe would make it tough for defenses to throw a constant double team. It would also allow for the speed of Tucker or Horne to become more effective because fewer defenders can drop with them.
Tucker got some quality experience last season, so he should be able to rotate positions and help provide a variety of looks.
Ultimately, I hope we draft a WR (I’m still on the Tori Gurley train) and add a veteran through FA (Mike Sims-Walker).
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
One Guy?
I haven’t looked deeply at WR prospects, well cept Cecil Short, but it seems all have traits just like the ones we already have.
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
One guy in the draft.
Another through FA if we can.
I’m in favor of doubling up on every position. If we draft it, I say draft it twice or go after a FA.
You know I’m all about competition. No reason to make it easy on anyone.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Not sure I agree with this assesment
Chambers a speed receiver? Quinten Lawrence possesion? At this point in his career I don’t even know where Curtis can play..
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by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 4, 2011 6:56 PM CDT reply actions
was basing of the Chiefs depth chart for some
Depth Chart shows:
WR1
Bowe
McCluster
Curtis
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
To say that an influx of talent for the WR position is an understatement
Maybe we can use one of the speed WRs for basic deep routes, but none of them exactly get respect from opposing defenses. Maybe a high WR draft pick would to open up the middle of the field a bit for bowe, and back the safeties off for the running game. Like SOLB, the talent level needs an upgrade
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors" - Frank Gifford
by FalconMF27 on Apr 4, 2011 7:03 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
So why isn't our WR guru head coach fixing this issue?
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
Because he can't have any contact with his players.
I’m willing to give Horne and Tucker a little bit of time. They were both UDFAs who came into the league pretty raw. Their problems are pretty much all things that good coaching should be able to fix. They have the natural talent.
If not, maybe they’ll go play for the Kansas City Command.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
I'm not too big on perpetuating the hope for UDFAs
They were undrafted for a reason, the talent is minimal, raw, but minimal. I don’t really have too much faith in the “WR guru” talk of Haley considering he’s worked his magic on mostly high draft picks/very talented athletes, and continued hope that our UDFA WRs will amount to anything other then a #4 WR able to step in when needed and contribute very little. We can’t pass up talent at a position for hopes and dreams. #2 WR is the third highest need for this team behind NT and Center, imho
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors" - Frank Gifford
I'm not advocating either of them as a #2.
But as a deep threat, change-up role, I like their speed. I think of them as potential situation WRs, especially on play-action. Get in a situation where the defense cheats up, and either one of them should be able to blow by most DBs.
I still want us to address that #2 spot through the draft and FA.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Definitely
I equate our WRs outside of Bowe like Studebaker: situational, special teams contributors. I would guess (and I’m sure Steve can tell me) that we have a large amount of LBs on our roster like WRs for their special teams contributions more so them their actual positional contributions. If just for a speed, deep threat, no need for a high draft pick, if any pick is used at all on a player like that. But another every down WR with high round talent can only help the offense, even if they don’t so much besides be a distraction with their high pick tag.
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors" - Frank Gifford
True we do have a lot of ST players in the LB and WR positions
That is usually a 1-2 year gig and then if you have not progressed to backup status on the depth chart you get churned.
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
the question is
can we find that guy in picks 4-7? I can find lots of quality lineman to take in picks 1-3, that might make those already on the roster WR’s look a lot better.
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
I can see that.
And the d-fronts KC is facing in 2011 won’t succumb to half measures up front. It didn’t look like journeyman Kevin Curtis had much problem getting behind the Baltimore secondary, but no way Cassel could make it pay, with our front 5 being manhandled.
would of ≠ would've
Bowe was a bust as a 1st round pick
Awesome 1st year and slowly sliding in year two and rock bottom year three.
Haley brought him back, I give credit for that. But Bowe was a 1st round pick.
Does every Chiefs WR that is any good have to be a 1st round pick? sorta lost my train of thought here…… We need the coaches to make a 4th rounder a starter occasionally
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
I'm fine with that
Because a 4th rounder is more than likely going to be more talented than an UDFA. I’m not necessarily advocating for a 1st round WR, just more talent at the position.
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors" - Frank Gifford
Got it :)
Thanks Falcon
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
1,000 yardsand 7 TDs his 2nd year.
995 and 4 as a rookie.
Don’t know the numbers on drops, but Bowe had a pretty solid 2nd year. It was masked because of how bad the team was, IMO.
The 3rd season was definitely a let down, but I think part of that was because Haley wanted to teach him a lesson. That’s where I think Haley is effective with his WRs. He pushes them to improve. They either respond (like Bowe did) or they leave (like Boldin did).
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
i wouldn't say Boldin left because of being pushed by Haley
He wanted a new contract, and zona wasn’t giving him one. Not that it matters to what we are talking about :-)
Haley gets results from those that have the talent to produce results. UDFAs might be a waste of energy to push for an extended period of time
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors" - Frank Gifford
Boldin was the only receiver to leave.
Minus Urban who followed Haley.
The Cards still have some quality WRs in Fitz, Breaston, and Doucett. That’s either a hell of a job drafting, or there’s some good coaching being involved.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Top prospects and those we have looked at for certain.
Leonard Hankerson Miami
Impression: I love his frame, hand/eye coordination and ability to pluck the football. Isn’t ever going to generate a ton of separation for himself in the NFL, but could mature into a capable possession-type guy because of his ability to attack the throw.
Titus Young Boise St.
A thinly put together wideout who lacks ideal girth and muscle tone through both his upper and lower body. However, he’s very fluid through his hips and exhibits impressive natural explosion off the line. Consistently eats up the cushion quickly and is one of the few receivers I have seen who really strikes fear into opposing defenders as a vertical threat. Possesses a real second gear down the field and is a consistent big-play guy. Displays good shiftiness off the line of scrimmage as well. Does a nice job quickly beating press with his lateral quickness and a sudden arm over and separating from his man. Is also a pretty gifted and balanced route runner, even when at top speed. Consistently is able to gain significant separation out of his sharply breaking routes and does a nice job staying low and driving back toward the football.
Edmond Gates Abilene
Dwayne Harris East Carolina
Terrence McCrae Ohio
David Leonard Wyoming
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
any of those first 4 would be great
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
by stagdsp on Apr 4, 2011 7:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Have to imagine Pettis would be on that list as well
If we went to the Boise St. proday it would be hard not to check him out as well
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 5, 2011 6:09 AM CDT up reply actions
i'll say it again
Bowe- (FA)-Tucker-Urban/Curtis-and (draft pick) and sometimes Dex (he should be out of the backfield mostly)
Chambers= gone (replaced by FA)
Copper = gone (replaced by Tucker)
Curtis and Urban fight for a roster spot
Horne and Lawrence should be on the bubble
again
The draft pick could be a posession guy (Pettis) or a deep threat (Young)
The FA, ideally, is a solid #2 (Mike Sims-Walker or Steve Breaston)
I could easily see the Chiefs taking another good pass-catching TE in the draft to go with this WR corps
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
by stagdsp on Apr 4, 2011 7:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hankerson looks like a possession WR
Would require the 1st round pick.
Young would be the speed guy and would require the 2nd round pick.
Sound right stag?
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
yeah, though i think Hankerson could slide
Because of all the DTs, DEs, and QBs that could go early
Young would be a speed guy for sure, would be interesting to see if Pioli would go for him.
I could see Cobb, Pettis, Harris, Doss, Salas… plenty of WRs that could work for one role or the other
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
by stagdsp on Apr 4, 2011 8:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think we might have a shot at Hankerson in the 2nd round.
If not him then A.Pettis would be nice in the 3rd round.
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Steve:
I think Hankerson is more than just a possession receiver. I believe he has enough speed to keep the defenses honest.
Merlinnj
Horne and Tucker have the speed too
It is whether we can utilize the speed to our advantage. Only takes a few bombs for a guy to get a rep for busting a defense deep.
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
agreed.
Even if he doesn’t catch every one of them. THAT is how you keep a defense honest. On all those plays where we didn’t truly have anybody open and our QB just chucked it out of bounds or at the guys feet, if even a couple of those errant passes had been a long ball then it opens things up. Doesn’t have to be successful deep passes to change how a defense looks at your short routes.
The media has their winners picked every year, why go with the flow when you can go with the Chiefs. To the Super Bowl!
Tucker didn't strike me as a speedster.
He did seem to have a feel for the coverage, good concentration, and good hands. I think that with guys like him and, yes, Terrance Copper, all the Chiefs might need is one real speedster to impose zone coverage on defenses. Right now, I think teams can double Bowe and single-up our other guys and make the extra hat attacking the pocket pay off. A speedster just MIGHT change that equation, but considering KC versions of Kennison and Rison to be the bottom of what’s good enough, I’d say KC isn’t quite yet good enough. If Horne dries out behind the ears, he might be that guy, and be able to do some other things, too. Tucker could become that guy off the bench who’ll reliably make the catch in a soft spot of the zone. Frankly, I think Copper could, too.
Time’s short for Lawrence to show he’s got more than one trick, though. But college film on him show that HE could become a very dangerous home run threat, if Cassel could extend a higher proportion of plays, and that could mean just getting a little better up front with the guys we have. But I ain’t bettin’ the farm on Lawrence, just yet, of course.
would of ≠ would've
Tucker has deceptive speed.
He’s a “long-strider”. He looks slower than he is. He’s really the guy that would benefit the most by the addition of another possession WR. With possession guys at #1 and #2, a guy like Tucker becomes an effective change of pace by running a deep route (especially off of an effective play-action).
As a #3 or #4 target, Tucker wouldn’t be asked to do much beyond catch deep passes or draw DBs deep.
Unless Cassel suddenly develops a cannon, I think we should be looking more towards possession guys.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
No way we get Breaston now.
1st rd tender by the Cards.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
we'll see... depends on CBA
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
by stagdsp on Apr 4, 2011 8:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps
He’s played 4 years, so I guess there could be a chance he’s unrestricted depending on what happens.
If only we could get all of these grown men to start acting like adults cough Vrabel cough.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Keep Boweand Curtiss for now.
Use Dex out of backfield and slot. Replace everyone else. Needs are at least one more possession type with size and ability to use body to screen off DB and hands to catch away from body and at least one WR to stretch the field. FA for two and draft at least one. Everyone except Bowe and Dex just suck. Curtiss has a little age on him but has the history of success if he has recoverered from injury. I see him as a contributor next year.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I'd say give Curtiss a training camp invite.
But don’t plan to keep him. If he can beat out the younger guys on the team, then so be it. But don’t game-plan around a guy of his age.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Question
Does Haley only elevate very talented WR’s to Great status or should we just put this WR guru talk to bed?
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
we'll see...
I think he deserves some credit for improving Bowe.
Tucker just might be a guy that sticks
But, yeah, there have been enough WR that never turned into anything
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
by stagdsp on Apr 4, 2011 8:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think his big thing is that he pushes the WRs to be better.
Some guys respond well to it (Bowe, Fitzgerald and Breaston). Other guys can’t handle it (Owens and Boldin).
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
These things take some time.
But it looks like there was a real change in Bowe.
And let’s remember this is year 3 for Haley, and the first year was spent on some veterans to establish a base level in a state of total chaos. He’s had his own guys, Tucker, McCluster, and Horne for just the one season. Tarvaris Johnson didn’t make it thru season 1. I think they’ve been looking for diamonds in the rough, and focused on keeping the team on the up-tick, I’d say.
If Haley’s all that, the next year or two, after he’s had 4 or 5 UDFAs thru the system, with time to polish the rough spots, one expects one or two damn good WRs and another one or two journeymen, who’ll play smart and hard-nosed, but maybe not wow anybody.
would of ≠ would've
Good question
Fitz: 1st round, Boldin: 2nd round, Owens: 3rd round, Terry Glenn:1st round, Breaston: 4th round (if not 5th, not exactly sure). The only UDFA WR that really amounted to anything under was Wayne Chrebet. WR guru? Nah. Lucky with talent to coach? Maybe
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors" - Frank Gifford
by FalconMF27 on Apr 4, 2011 9:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Combine 40 times
Edmond Gates (Abilene Christian) – 4.37
Ricardo Lockette (Fort Valley State) – 4.37
Julio Jones (Alabama) – 4.39
Torrey Smith (Maryland) – 4.43
Leonard Hankerson (Miami) – 4.43
Joe Morgan (Walsh) – 4.44
Denarius Moore (Tennessee) – 4.45
Al Robinson (SMU) – 4.45
Randall Cobb (Kentucky) – 4.46
Jerrel Jernigan (Troy) – 4.46
Ron Johnson (USC) – 4.46
A.J. Green (Georgia) – 4.50
Jon Baldwin (Pittsburgh) – 4.50
Jamar Newsome (Central Florida) – 4.51
Terrance Turner (Indiana) – 4.51
Niles Paul (Nebraska) – 4.51
Jimmy Young (Texas Christian) – 4.55
Titus Young (Boise State) – 4.53
Armon Binns (Cincinnati) – 4.53
Stephen Burton (West Texas A&M) – 4.53
Andre Holmes (Hillsdale) – 4.53
Jock Sanders (West Virginia) – 4.53
Greg Little (North Carolina) – 4.53
Owen Spencer (NC State) – 4.54
Dwayne Harris (East Carolina) – 4.55
Darvin Adams (Auburn) – 4.56
Marshall Williams (Wake Forest) – 4.56
OJ Murdock( Ft. Hays State) – 4.56
Tori Gurley (South Carolina) – 4.56
Greg Salas (Hawaii) – 4.56
Terrence Tolliver (LSU) – 4.59
Lester Jean (Florida Atlantic) – 4.59
Cecil Shorts (Mount Union) – 4.59
Jeremy Kerley (Texas Christian) – 4.59
DeAndre Brown (Southern Miss) – 4.59
Dane Sansenbacher (Ohio State) – 4.59
Austin Pettis (Boise State) – 4.61
Jeff Maehl (Oregon) – 4.62
Jason Hamler (Fresno State) – 4.62
Jeremy Kerley (Texas Christian) – 4.62
Lester Jean (Florida Atlantic) – 4.65
Vincent Brown (San Diego State) – 4.71
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
Glad you didn't list just the good WR's or this would have been a fanshot:P
I don’t really care if the guy is a speed demon, i just want him to have some size and good hands.
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I wish we would just draft G.Little and get our #2 WR spot locked up.
He really reminds me of Bowe and I’ll take two guys like that anyday. IMO all we really need is that #2 guy the other WR’s on our roster can fight it out for the rest of the spots.
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Little might be best value in this draft if he slips as projected.
He is early round talent that may slip to a mid round. I would love to see him picked in 4th if he lasts that long. Not bad choice in 3rd either. We also can use a burner to stretch field effectively. No one has shown this ability to date. You have it or you don’t. It is not always pure speed that gets this done. ( Timing, hands and ability to sepatate as well as speed.)
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
While I'm big on guys with great hands, who can post up,
we also need to see guys who are going to create (and sustain) some separation. Bowe can body-up with some of the best of ’em, but if EVERY pass is contested, that makes for a low completion percentage.
So I’m totally in favor of a real speed threat, but, if possible, with big-body mentality/ability, because it’s not enough to eat up cushion, but to do what I want to see done, the guy has to be a beast with the underneath stuff, when there’s a cushion, and advance the ball in traffic.
This isn’t always a realistic set of requirements for mere mortals, let alone trying to get Jerry Rice’s in depth. But maybe this roster churn at WR ought to just continue a while longer, while they look for ways to give Cassel more time to survey the field. It’ll take more than just a fast WR for the Chiefs offense to BEAT the Ravens questionable secondary down the field. Wasn’t Curtis getting open deep that day, but Cassel just couldn’t find him?
would of ≠ would've
awesome
But maybe this roster churn at WR ought to just continue a while longer, while they look for ways to give Cassel more time to survey the field. It’ll take more than just a fast WR for the Chiefs offense to BEAT the Ravens questionable secondary down the field. Wasn’t Curtis getting open deep that day, but Cassel just couldn’t find him?
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
I think we have our speed threats.
I really do think that Tucker and Horne can be effective for us if we’re able to shake up the defense. A 2nd possession guy could do that. If our best WRs are underneath guys, the defense will cheat up. That allows someone with speed to break past them and get up on a safety.
And with Matt Cassel’s limited arm strength, we really shouldn’t focus too much on stretching the field.
Something similar to what the Eagles did in 2004 (granted they had a big arm QB). Owens and Pinkston were their #1 and #2. Neither guy (as far as I remember) had blazing speed. But their underneath ability allowed guys like Greg Lewis and Freddie Mitchell to get one-on-one looks with the safeties or nickel and dime backs.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
2012 WR prospects
Michael Floyd WR 1 Notre Dame Jr 6-3 228 4.52
Jeff Fuller WR 2 Texas A&M Jr 6-3 215 4.52
Ryan Broyles WR 3 Oklahoma rJr 5-11 185 4.54
Juron Criner WR 4 Arizona Jr 6-4 210 4.60
Dwight Jones WR 5 North Carolina Jr 6-4 215 4.57
DeVier Posey WR 6 Ohio State Jr 6-2 213 4.52
Greg Childs WR 7 Arkansas Jr 6-3 217 4.57
Chris Owusu WR 8 Stanford Jr 6-2 200 4.47
Jarrett Boykin WR 9 Virginia Tech Jr 6-2 215 4.54
Justin Blackmon WR 1 Oklahoma State rSo 6-1 208 4.54
Alshon Jeffery WR 2 South Carolina So 6-4 232 4.56
Mohamed Sanu WR 3 Rutgers So 6-2 218 4.57
Denard Robinson WR 4 Michigan So 5-11 192 4.39
Russell Shepard WR 5 LSU So 6-0 188 4.48
Erik Highsmith WR 6 North Carolina So 6-2 178 4.49
Tavarres King WR 7 Georgia rSo 6-1 191 4.48
looks stacked!
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
They look slow too :-p
Denard Robinson? Hmm, versatile, fast, but doesn’t tie his shoes.
Jeffries is a beast, but I’ll take his teammate in the 5th round, who’s name escapes me right now
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors" - Frank Gifford
Tori Gurley.
It’s all good, jump on the Tori Gurley bandwagon with me!
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Apr 4, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He offers good value as a late flier
I haven’t read too much on his scouting, why is he ranked so low?
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors" - Frank Gifford
4.56
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 4, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't that about what Bowe ran?
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors" - Frank Gifford
The big thing is that not many people know about him.
He was so overshadowed by Alshon Jeffries and Marcus Lattimore, that a lot of people forgot he was there.
There are plenty of guys faster, stronger, and more athletic than he is. But you will be hard pressed to find someone who plays the position as well. As a college player he already understands elements of the game that a lot of guys don’t figure out until a couple seasons into the NFL. He finds and sits in holes in the zone. He locates the first down marker. He runs good, solid routes. He uses his body to block defenders. He’ll come up for a pass when he sees it will be contested. He isn’t afraid to take a hit. He does a great job using his hips to shake smaller DBs.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/6202653/draft_preview_tori_gurley/
http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/nfl_draft_widereceivers/ZyHBH14uIsXZizhcAS4gLlFKf3Tanzb2
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Apr 4, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok
But there still has to be a reason why he is rated so low. Give it to me straight and not with all the positive spin, what are his negatives?
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors" - Frank Gifford
Like I said.
He isn’t the fastest, strongest, or most athletic guy on the field. He’s a mediocre physical talent, which we saw at the combine. He was never the #1 receiving threat on the team, and his numbers reflect that.
He’s not going to be a #1 threat for anybody. But he has great potential to be a solid #2 or #3 WR.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Apr 4, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Surprisingly, ESPN might have a pretty accurate scouting report on him.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27340/tori-gurley
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Apr 4, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
And as a Freshman (rs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvbQRcr2UzQ
I know these are highlights and don’t tell the whole story. But they do show off some of the high points in his game.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Apr 4, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Floyd is in the sup draft...
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 5, 2011 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions
if we are willing to take a chance
we could push the WR choice into the 2012 draft.
either with a pick thrown at Floyd in the supp or just waiting on the WR’s in 2012.
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
Well is Floyd's off the field issues part of the
‘’Right 53’’ We cant have him!!! debate?
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 5, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
facepalm
I’m not sure if they’d take him or not… but he’s a good talent, and it would be nice to get value out of next year’s pick now
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
Not to mention we don't have his old coach anymore
If it was a 4th or so I wouldn’t mind, he has talent yes but I’m not sure how high of a pick I would give up for him
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 5, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
true
his value could be anywhere from a 1st to 7th.
Nice thing is the issues are not NFL issues yet.
Hence fresh slate for Floyd
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
yeah, I could see a 4th or 5th as a good value
Weis could at least give some input, though… or maybe he already did
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
Am i the only one on here that thinks we incorrectly used every WR we have except Bowe?
Surely not.
Mccluster is a guy who should be running screens all day long. Real screen, fakes screen, bubble screen…. And all those speedy guys we have rotating in the #2 position, none of them have had very many decent looks all year because once they finally had a chance to get some chemistry going with cassel(if any of them ever did idk) our interior line was breaking down because it was half way through the season or farther and these guys are getting up there in age(for football). I say we take the best guy we got so far and let him play for awhile, we tried it with chambers and i think by his play last year he shouldn’t even be a chief next year. Why not let one of these other guys step in for some real playing time? These young guys have some talent, just because they are UDFA doesn’t mean they can’t play. They need a little coaching and alot of playing time. And they need a better line to block for cassel to give him some time to at least contemplate throwing the deep ball. Whether he will actually do it…. Is a differents subject alltogether
The media has their winners picked every year, why go with the flow when you can go with the Chiefs. To the Super Bowl!
by redsea-KC on Apr 5, 2011 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
rec
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
Yes and no.
You don’t want guys to be known for only one role.
Also, bringing in a 4th or 5th rd draft pick is going to push guys like Horne and Tucker. They will realize (hopefully) that as UDFAs they are among the first to hit the chopping block. Nothing sparks improvement like competition and challenge. We need to push these guys to continue to improve.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Dwayne Bowe, Dexter McCluster, Verran Tucker, and Jeremy Horne can keep their roster spots
the rest, dont let the door knob hit you where the good lord split you.
A pipe dream would be Verran Tucker and Andy Stud both shaping out to be adequate starters for a team with super bowl ambitions but like i said, its just a pipe dream. Both of those spots should be filled in via draft or Free Agency
I guess I'm not as down on the corps as you are.
I’m not high on ‘em, because Bowe’s been the main producer, but it seems pretty clear to me that the o-line had a long way to go in guarding our Cassel.
would of ≠ would've
Verran Tucker has great potential
Horne made some nice catches every now and then also.
Steve Breaston and Devin Aromashadu are the guys i want us to pull the trigger on in free agency. If we got both of them i’d get rid of Horne. Aromashadu has tons of potential and Haley has pulled it out of every wideout (with star potential) hes encountered with. So in actuality, maybe Aromashadu alone would be enough.
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