Your Friend, The Jonathan Baldwin Pick
by pioli-for-prez on Apr 29, 2011 7:32 AM CDT
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From the FanPosts. Enjoyed this read from user pioli-for-prez.. -Joel
Wait! Don't jump! Seriously, get down from the railing, step back inside and think about this, and I'm sure you'll agree that the selection of Pitt WR Jonathan Baldwin is not only insufficient reason to off yourself, but is in fact another great (and, as always, unpredictable) move by the Chiefs front office. My indisputable logic for making this assertion follows after the jump...(the figurative jump, please don't actually jump, that's my whole point)
1. We addressed our unquestioned greatest area of need
Say what you want about RT, OLB, or NT, we had NO ONE lined up at WR2 last year...unless of course you count glorified practice squadders or Kevin Curtis (you shouldn't count either). DMC may be a valuable slot option at some point, but his impact last year was negligible. With Baldwin in tow, our greatest weakness now becomes a legitimate strength.
I think this pick also implies that Scott Pioli/Todd Haley have a lot more faith in some players at alleged "areas of need" that are already on roster. I think Pioli and Romeo Crennel have enough confidence in Andy Studebaker to start him at OLB next year, and don't forget about Cameron Sheffield (which is easy to do as he was injured most/all of last year). Barry Richardson might be seen as a more viable RT option than we or the national media mock-drafters give him credit for. And while I really don't think Ron Edwards has much of a future at NT with the Chiefs, it may be that we are targeting a day 2-3 prospect or possibly a free agent (Shaun Rogers anyone?). Do I think these positions could use an upgrade? Yes, and Pioli may be looking to address them in round 2-3. But I think its important to note that if we wanted Akeem Ayers, Anthony Castonzo, or Phil Taylor they were there for the taking, but we clearly made WR, and Baldwin in particular, a priority.
2. This pick helps the entire offense
Pioli/Haley know perfectly well that you don't win consistenly in today's NFL by running the ball like it's 1949. I think the Baldwin pick represents a shift away from the run-heavy philosophy that the Chiefs have hitherto practiced in the Pioli/Haley era. "But wait" you say..."the Steelers are perennial title contenders, and they're run-heavy." True, but Pittsburgh wins because of its strong D, and even they couldn't have won with the droop-eyed, armless children we had playing WR last year (D-Bowe excepted....most of the time anyway). Besides Pittsburgh is more balanced than most people think, and I think that balance is what Pioli & Co are shooting for with this pick. A real WR2 takes pressure off DBowe, opens up the middle for DMC, gives Cassel more (legitimate) receiving options, and takes defenders out of the box to help open up the running game. Try doing all that with a vanilla RT (racial inferences not intended).
I'm not saying that now we're gonna become the 2007 Patriots, but at least the pick allows us to build a strong passing attack to complement our beastly ground game.
3. Baldwin was the target all along
I have no more insight into Pioli's draft logic than anyone else, but read between the lines: Baldwin works with Larry Fitz in the offseason, who undoubtedly discusses the prospect with Haley. The Chiefs visit with Baldwin and come away impressed. Look at how the Chiefs maneuvered around the first round and it becomes obvious that they were targeting Baldwin with the pick. How else would you explain the aforementioned passing on widely-mocked players like Ayers and Taylor? I think the move down merely provided a nice little bonus, which segues nicely into my next point...
4. We get an additional 3rd round pick, and a darn good one at that
In Pioli's hands, an early 3rd rounder can easily mean another instant-impact starter. Just think, by trading down 6 spots, the Chiefs may have gained a Tony Moeaki-caliber player. Or maybe an Alex Magee-caliber player, but after last year's draft I think a little optimism is not unwarranted. AND, we were still able to get the player we wanted all along. This is the kind of savvy dealing I was hoping for when we hired Pioli.
5. Baldwin is a truly exciting pick
Seriously, would you be up at 2am friday morning scouring YouTube for highlight after highlight of Gabe Carimi? If you haven't watched some Baldwin clips yet, stop reading this and go do so. Its pretty awe-inspiring stuff. Then it hits you that this guy is gonna have an arrowhead on his helmet this fall, and it gives you chills (at least it did me). Does he have some character concerns? Maybe, but clearly not enough to scare Pioli/Haley away from his immense physical talent and potential. And not enough to disqualify him from being part of the "right 53", or else he wouldn't have been picked.
I've been very excited to be a Chiefs fan since Pioli was hired (actually, since Peterson was fired), but maybe never more than now, and that includes clinching the division last year. The Baldwin pick means that we won't settle for a one-and-done division championship, that we aren't content with being a one-trick pony on offense, and that we are finally mature enough as a team to stop building for tomorrow and start drafting for today. So join me in welcoming Jon Baldwin to KC with open arms, he really is here to help.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Glenn Dorsey
What the hell is the point of this
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Apr 29, 2011 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Larry the Cable Guy!
Sorry I got caught up in the action.
"You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything."
by BigRedChief on Apr 29, 2011 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jonathan Baldwin
If this season was a "rebuilding" season, I can't wait to see what we're capable of once we're "rebuilt".
by GetYourRedOn on Apr 29, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Shaun Rogers signed with the Saints back in March
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6172769
I don’t mind the pick, but I do think NT is a pretty desperate need.
NT Knrick Ellis will be available in 2nd or that #6 pick in the 3rd
I still think the Chiefs have alot of great oppertunities to trade down to get the right players. The picks aquired will most often be high picks like the Browns #6 in the 3rd. Those picks will allow them to get the better choices in each round. The trick was getting out of the 1st (or at least later, like they did). Nothing of real quality was available after the 10th pick in round 1. The better values are in 2 and 3. Today is going to be the really exciting day. Go Chiefs!
by David Winton on Apr 29, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Why is everyone so high on Ellis?
When I look at his weight, it scares me quite a bit…280 pound NT? Really? Can he gain weight without losing power?
I eat nails for breakfast, tacks for snacks, and I sh*t nickel.
by SupremeChief on Apr 29, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Google him, he is not 280
One site has it wrong and it just keeps being copy and pasted wrong
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad we didn't take him
A) he wasn’t all that dominant considering he was twice the size of the guys blocking him
B) That dance made me throw up in my mouth a little :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Apr 30, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
it worked out perfectly for us
the celebrating was a little much though.
"Maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on through the lyrics that you hear in our songs"
I like the pick but it was a reach.
I think they thought Balt. was going to select Baldwin and they jumped in front. I will Balt would have drafted Smith and the Chiefs could have traded down again and still got theri man.
Now, do we trade up in the second rd. to get Paea? 2nd and a 4th.
I don't think it was a reach
Only reason he was rated so low was because of character concerns, before he bad mouthed his team he was rated as a first rounder, right behind Jones.
I think we’re gonna grab Ellis in the 2nd, or Acho would be nice.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 29, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he was a reach at all.
Most places had him ranked as an early-mid second rounder. Do to his ‘character’ concerns…. which don’t ‘concern’ me at all. Look what was done with Bowe, not to mention the rest of the Arizona WRs. All things being equal, I think Green and Jones are better now. But factoring in the coaching that JBal will be getting and I think he has a chance to be better than those two.
Look at our draft position from a broader perspective; it puts us in great shape to still draft Ellis (remember, we brought him just last week) and be able to trade back in the second round and STILL take Ayers or Reed or Houston.
The move to trade down and still get Baldwin was great, but wat it sets us up for is shear genious!
"Evil is the result of what happens when a man does not have God's love present in his heart" - Albert Einstein
I don't either, and I think we'll go BPA.
Baldwin has a ton of talent, and as I said on here before the draft, I think he’s going to the right locker room – a team full of leaders and character guys. He will have to go out of his way to do the wrong things.
In the second, my opinion is that we’ll go BPA – could be:
Ayers, Sheard, Brooks Reed, Hudson, Bruce Carter, Paea, or somebody who’s higher on their board that we don’t know about.
by u2nspenserfan on Apr 29, 2011 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe a reach, but...
I like what Mayock says about this — once you decide who your guy is, you go get your guy.
I have to admit that I was a bit surprised when the pick was announced, but I’m good with it. A fast & tall receiver who is known for his hands (read that he can catch) sounds like a cool glass of water for a thirsty offense.
I don’t think they were worried about Balt taking Baldwin. I think they just decided that they were going to get their guy. NE traded the pick after Baldwin to the Saints, so I suspect that they probably could’ve traded again out of that spot. They wanted Baldwin, so they got him.
Last point I want to make, and this really is just restating what others have said, improving the offense will improve the defense. If we can eliminate a portion of our 3 & outs, then the defense will spend less time on the field. More rest = better defensive play.
There were reports that we were trying to trade out of 27 too.
Looking at the rest of the teams drafting, I don’t think another team picks Baldwin until the early 2nd, so I think Pioli was trying to get more picks. He didn’t get value on the trade so he went ahead and picked the guy he wanted.
I think he played this well.
by u2nspenserfan on Apr 29, 2011 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
2nd the motion.
Just move the chains that many more times, and the D gets time to rest and, maybe even more importantly, re-group for the next skirmish with the opposing offense. While I think the 2011 D will have higher 3-and-out potential of their own, the better offenses may still be able to get some 1sts of their own, before Crennel’s team concept has a short enough field to really work its magic.
would of ≠ would've
not to mention
the fact we didnt jump in front of anyone. this wasnt a trade. we didnt give anything up to pick 26. balt didnt get there pick in in time. now they did get that card in right away but still we didnt do anything but sit and wait.
great, another knucklehead WR
I can almost smell the impending diva fit when we run more than pass and baldwin doesnt think he’s getting the targets. I’m puzzled by the pick, 2 almost identical wideouts, we must be copying the Ravens possession obsession. Baldwins got tons of talent and i hope he keeps his yap shut or this could end up being a nightmare.
Fitz is never coming to KC.... Sooooo move on...
by Kuhmmish on Apr 29, 2011 7:45 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Look what Arizona did with Fitz and Bouldin. Minn.with Harvin and Rice.
by Mustang fever on Apr 29, 2011 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Almost all of them are knuckleheads!
Name a great WR that wasn’t, and I’ll name 3 that were.
by David Winton on Apr 29, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Torry Holt, Issac Bruce, Marvin Harrison
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
Marvin harrison?
You mean the guy that, according to Peyton, bitched in Practice if he wasn’t getting the ball enough?
And likely shot a guy on the streets of Philly.
Turrible Knucklehead
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by ChiefWarPaint on Apr 29, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I think when I first heard about that incident,
the sub-story was how Harrison was a brave guy trying to do something good in and for a tough community. I came away thinking he had real heart.
would of ≠ would've
I like Little too
But I also like Powe (NT) with our first 3rd. Get one of the quality SOLBs in the 2nd and I’m feeling real good!
and completely throw out our seocnd rounder from last year in mccluster
that makes sense
by drew.bouchard on Apr 29, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
It would move Dex to a backup RB/WR spot along with the return ability
It might be the best for him
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I liked the article on AP a few weeks ago that pointed out how lining Dex up in the slot basically removed the option of running to that side, and that he might be in the backfield more this season, ala Sproles.
And I think he should be the primary KR (I feel more comfortable with Arenas at PR)
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
IF a KR is even needed anymore with the new rule
Dex and Charles could line up next to Cassel in the shotgun running wheel routes/screens/etc, Dex could line up in the slot, etc there are many ways to get him involved. Last year IMO did show that he is not an every down player and even more than Charles needs to be have a few tailored plays
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Certainly I think there's more to be gained by sending the ball in the opposite direction from Dex.
He draws more defenders as a threat than as a blocker. But it’s not that he sucks as a blocker, because he mostly looks like a willing and sound technician in that part of his game. It’s just that he draws a crowd, so either get him the ball, or send the ball in the opposite direction. So it’s not so much that he sucks as a blocker, but that sending him the same direction brings his crowd to the ball carrier.
would of ≠ would've
He does do his best as a blocker
But at a certain point, it does become about the size of the dog in the fight. You cannot expect him to effectively block 240 pound LBs consistently.
He does show good technique and can do well for a guy his size, but you’re right he’s more use as a decoy than a blocker.
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by MNchiefsfan on Apr 30, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Haley's talked about having him come out of the backfield more
So it could very well happen
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by MNchiefsfan on Apr 29, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank You
For saying everything I’ve been wanting to say to those who grade this pick bad or say it was a reach.
Fantastic Upside, Fantastic Trade Down, We finally have more than 1 WR!!!!!!
WOooooooooooooooooooooo
Not a reach.
Most had him as a second rounder. When you are at 27, you are basically drafting second round talent at that point. I would rather get the guy you want at that point. It kills me to see people say our draft is screwed after one pick, and a very good talent to boot! I believe Pioli said last year he believes in drafting talent (no matter the position) and using free agency to fill any other needs. Don’t forget, this year free agency is still to come. Usually the draft is your last chance to fill holes on your roster. Not this year. They will do a great job of building our roster with more good talent. Don’t care what positions, we still need better athletes all around.
And rec'd
A very nice write-up and want to thank you. You grabbed my thoughts and shared them much better than I could have done. Thank you for an interesting read.
Think about it this way
As the author said, if you haven’t watched the highlights, do so. We have picked up a tall, fast, handsy wideout who is USED TO CATCHING BADLY THROWN BALLS. gotta like this guy, especially those of you who think cassel needs to go. Just sayin…
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Without a past, we have no future.
by MarineChiefsFan on Apr 29, 2011 8:14 AM CDT reply actions
I really like this pick.
Did not see it coming, I got caught up in the phil taylor hoopla but I am perfectly fine with this pick. Good right up and rec’d for sure………..
Duece said "Change your sig", so I did...........again.
Were the Bears going after Baldwin?
On my drive into work this morning, I heard Mike Mayock had Baldwin mocked to go to the Bears with the #29 pick in his final mock draft. The Chiefs obviously took him at 26 (because the Ravens didn’t get their pick in on time).
However, last night on ESPN I remember the announcers talking about how there was confusion and it seemed like the Bears were trying to make a trade with the Ravens, but something got goofed up. Then the Chiefs got their pick in. Could be the Bears really were making a play to get Baldwin, but it took too long and the Chiefs got the guy they wanted. Anyone else remember hearing that?
I'd give my left pocketwatch to see Blaine Sumner dead lift 800 lbs in a Chiefs jersey.
i didnt hear that
but that would be a very interesting scenario.
They were going after Carimi
They thought the Chiefs were going to grab Carimi so they wanted to hop over us to grab him.
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
probably
I don’t think we’ll ever know with certainty
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I did, and SOMETHING goofy went on there...
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by MNchiefsfan on Apr 29, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
The Bears did not get the trade papers or whatever signed/turned in/agreed to before the time ran out
So the Ravens pick go ‘skipped’ and the Chiefs were then on the clock, which they raced up to turn the pick in
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Not a reach at all...
Could be a top of the list impact player in short order. Should make Bowe better…or expendable…Have to trust the staff on the character issues.
Not a reach at all...
Could be a top of the list impact player in short order. Should make Bowe better…or expendable…Have to trust the staff on the character issues.
The more I think about it the more I like the pick--and added draft pick
Actually back in November I had him going to KC
Can not say this is a reach...
Why? B/c Pioli did what we ALL wanted. He traded back. He got an early 3rd round pick and only moved back 6 spots, then jumped up one b/c of the Ravens communication breakdown.
WR is a HUGE need and we got a HUGE WR. 6’4’’ 230lbs, 4.49 -40yd time, 42’’ vert, and a former McDonald’s All-American Selection. His stats in college are really good considering the QBs he had throwing to him while he was at Pitt.
My next move I would make is getting an OLB. If hold your ground until either Reed or Ayers gets picked. Once one of them gets picked, you bundle up our original third round pick and swap 2nds to get one of the two OLBs. If neither one of them gets picked and we can save our 3rd round pick, even better.
Chiefs are sitting real well today… should be fun :-)
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
by SwimCoach on Apr 29, 2011 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't recall where I saw this "fact" - presumably NFLN
but googling it shows it to be false apparently.
CHIEFS DYNASTY - we're kind of a big deal
Plus one thing people aren't talking about
Is Todd Haley knows WRs, if he signs off on this guy, that just makes me that much more happy about the pick… just like we should all be able to admit, even if you didn’t like him, Herm Edwards knew his DBs (especially corners) so you trusted him with those picks,
You trust Herm with WRs especially with him being able to get Fitz’s input
What I really like is he has a 4.38 on his resume from about 3 years ago.
Think of how he might play after body by Fitz and Haley. He’s gonna be running in a very exclusive WR social crowd. A lot of factors aligned on the side of up-side on the main things on which he might be faulted. And upside that couldn’t be had any other way than to go after Julio Jones or AJ Green.
would of ≠ would've
a little suprised but agree with the pick
think he will def make an impact, that being said patience will be the key for us fans…WRs take awhile to adjust to the NFL level game.
extra 3rd rounder = nice
There is little question that Baldwin is a good WR.
Is he better that Julio Jones? Maybe, maybe not, but at least the Chiefs didn’t give up everything like the Falcons did for their new WR.
^^^^ This ^^^^^
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by Mas Cervezas on Apr 29, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
true big time
Did Atlanta hire Ditka as a draft advisor? I think they got screwed.
Sign a new CBA NOW, you greedy bastards.
I
had the feeling that Pioli jumped the ravens just to mess with them..
by Bigcherokeechief on Apr 29, 2011 8:52 AM CDT reply actions
We didn't really jump them since we didn't trade up before them
It’s their own fault for letting the clock run out.
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
A peek behind the curtain...
…I am guilty of being a bit of a conspiracy theorist. Hear me out. Before we were on the clock, Adam Schefter was reporting that the Chiefs were trying to trade back again.
My contention: They were targeting Baldwin all along.
I believe they released this false info to mislead the bears, who I hear wanted Baldwin. The Bears were attempting to trade into the #26 spot to draft Baldwin. I think the Chiefs might have even been on the horn with the Bears in an attempt to delay any trade that might take place with Balt (by trying to propose a bogus trade for #27). In the end, Baltimore ran out of time, and KC INSTANTLY made the pick of Baldwin.
I think Pioli made a diversion, and it worked to perfection. But, also maybe I am just a conspiracy theorist.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
a bit of a stretch... but really James Bond-ish if you think about it
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by Mas Cervezas on Apr 29, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
urban legend of Scott " The Don" Pioli
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by Mas Cervezas on Apr 29, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
The talk was Bears wanted Carimi not Baldwin
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
No team is going to admit...
…that they were hussled. Once they select a player, they are going to say that he was their guy all along. How would the draft pick feel if the team that just drafted you in the first round was complaining that they didn’t get someone else. It is all PR, no matter what they really think.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
Well if you want to say 'they Bears wanted Baldwin'
Might be wise to listen to the other reports aka they wanted Carimi not just make some theory about one tidbit of info
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Why is your theory better than mine again?
It sounds like you are presenting a theory as well.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
I'm not putting any theory
I’m simplying saying that the talk I HEARD was for Carimi not Baldwin. I think its DUMB to make some ‘theory’ on one word but not at least mention everything that was said
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for your opinion
I happen to its DUMB to pay attention to anything the teams are actually saying right now.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
So let me get this strait
Your ‘not dumb theory’ about Bears/Ravens is fine but the talk again not from a team but a reporter ‘is dumb’ because its not yours?
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
It isn't brain surgery dude...
…the reporters’ do not have theories. Their reports are based on what the team sources are telling them.
My theory is just that, a theory. It is based on what I see happening not what I am told. The only thing I am unsure on is if the Bears really were targeting Baldwin. How things resulted made me think they were.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
It's the same thing either way for you to say you heard the Bears wanted Baldwin
And me stating I heard the Bears were going after Carimi, yet you are set in stone about yourself and blowing up on me.
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Perfectly calm in spite of someone calling my theory "DUMB"
You said: All the talk you have heard is that they wanted Carimi. I take that to mean media talk. Please correct me if I am wrong here. See my other posts about the credibility of media reports above.
I just presented a theory is all. You are talking about reports from media.
I didn’t blow up at you, but I did get defensive. I mean after all you called my theory DUMB in capital letters, I am not sure that is really necessary.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
Media=NFL Network=same type of media you are going off of
I said that if you list one side of it, you should list the other instead you go off saying that noooooooo the sports media is wrong if I heard it but right if you do
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Correction
I am basing none of my theory on ANY reports from Media. I basing it off of what I witnessed happen last night.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
Correction 'who I hear wanted Baldwin'
Means either A you were there with the Bears talking about trading up, OR you listened to the media talk about possible trade up targets
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay okay poor choice of words
For the record, I have not heard any reports that indicated the Bears were targeting Baldwin.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
Hey man...
…I am done. I apologize for saying that it is DUMB to believe reporters. No need to say that, just got defensive. Have a good day.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
Come backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Now what am I to do :’(
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
And for futher correction
The talk about the Bears wanting Carimi was before the Chiefs pick of Baldwin was announced. Seems strange that the talk of the Bears going after Carimi not Baldwin even before we knew the Chiefs pick if you go by your theory
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Looks like I am not the only theorizing that the Bears wanted Baldwin..
…someone else is now saying that on the main page thread.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
In no way did I say you were wrong
IIRC I’m not the only one sayin the talk was the Bears wanted Carimi either >.>
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Apr 29, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he called you dumb
But I’d call you a douche
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The user formerly known as EMAWrising
lol...
…MeatGeek called me a douche….true comedy.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
First you have to realize that everything said by NFL teams right now is BS...
…then you use your head to put puzzles together. Using your intellect and logic is a much better way to find the truth in the draft, considering nobody’s words can be taken seriously, and the so called “experts” cannot predict anything.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
Atlanta should admit they were hustled
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by Mas Cervezas on Apr 29, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I heard both of these stories on NFLN
but to me it is FAR more credible that the Bears wanted Carimi. Their OL totally sucked last year and I’m quite surprised Cutler isn’t dead right now, or at least in the infirmary with Stafford.
Sign a new CBA NOW, you greedy bastards.
Kareem-ee might be a good, physical counter to Clay Matthews.
I know I was thinking Carimi at 27, but I was somewhat relieved the Chiefs didn’t feel the need was so deep that they pulled the trigger on a likely career RT in the 1st. This says that, in their view, the progress they made with the Richardson-O’Callaghan project has them far from desperate at tackle, a situation in which New England and Indianapolis both found themselves, this year. Maybe not the best year for those 1st-round tackles, but both those teams had to make the best of a mediocre situation. I think there’s a good chance that they both get better at tackle, but not a whole lot better.
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And there's a fair chance both teams will feel obliged to go back to the well in the near future.
New England can better afford it, if it must be done. They can probably get by better in the meantime, if it must be done.
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totally
I did NOT want them to go RT in the first. I was hoping they’d trade down and was thrilled with that strategy.
As always, Pioli will bring in more competition at RT and see how it goes.
CHIEFS DYNASTY - we're kind of a big deal
It appears they're pretty satisfied with Albert and Richardson.
And I’ll be watching Costanzo and Solder, especially. Might be a throwback to KC’s OT need picks in the past, like Victor Riley. You always WANT great tackles, but I think New England and Indianapolis were/are in a clear NEED situation that’ll be their undoing in the next few playoffs. Sure, they’ll MAKE the playoffs, but suffer from the early exits, like so many of Marty’s great, but OT-poor teams.
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“But I think its important to note that if we wanted Akeem Ayers, Anthony Castonzo, or Phil Taylor they were there for the taking, but we clearly made WR, and Baldwin in particular, a priority.”
I think this is the key. The 1st round went as well as it could for the teams at the bottom half. So many players were still there. We had literally our pick of top players at any position we wanted. Taking a WR here – and particularly Baldwin – tells me they knew this would be the pick weeks ago. And did you see how quick they got their pick in and jumped Baltimore? Classic.
In Todd We Trust!
Pretty good stuff. A little overly optimistic, but hey, 'tis the season...
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Avery good selection.
Now this offense can put more points on the board, because the upcoming season is going to be a rough one. Nomore putting 8-in-the-bow or double teaming Bowe.
This is classic Pioli
He knew who he wanted, traded down to get him while picking up more value in the third, tried to trade down again to get even more, and then when he couldn’t, grabbed his man. I think that TJax was the same story. If they could have traded back a few spots, added a pick, and then drafted Jackson, many would be more patient with his development. Pioli has stated that trades are always about players, and this is what he means. Do your research, pick your man, and then if you can trade down for added value and get him, do it. If you can’t then take him where you are. Pioli doesn’t care if ESPN or NFL Network (or especially any of us) think it’s a “reach.” If Mayock was that smart, some billionaire would pay him to draft their team instead of grading it on TV.
While the Chiefs have several relatively serious “needs” a good WR across from Bowe undoubtedly changes the team more than any other single player could. I rank NT as a close second in that category, but obviously Pioli thinks he can fill that hole later and/or better than Taylor would have. RT and OLB are needs, too, but we have players on the roster at those spots, and eight more picks plus FA to improve them if Pioli wants to. Bottom line… trust Pioli and buy yourself a Baldwin jersey!
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by nmchief on Apr 29, 2011 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good point about 1 player changing the team more than any other. I agree
Cassel had a pretty decent season throwing to Randy Moss in New England. What are his measurables again? Oh yeah, 6’ 4" 210. Not saying he’s the next Randy Moss by any means, but Cassel clearly produces with a bigger target out there.
Not a Randy Moss. This guy will make those Boldin catches and runs.
Much more of a physical presence. What will be interesting is how he performs against the NFL jams he’ll likely face.
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Okay, I took the writers' advice and looked up some Youtube film...
I’ve got one thing to say… this guy seems to have glue on his hands. Seriously. If he gets a couple fingers on the ball, he catches it. And he made some ridiculous acrobatic catches and makes sure to secure the ball first. Bowe needed a running mate. He’s got one. I’ve got faith in Pioli. Let’s get what we need tonight.
Chiefs FA/Draft Wish List: #2 WR (done); Pass Rushing OLB; Back-up or Developmental QB; True NT; Depth
reminds me of marshall in how he nabs the 1 handers etc
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Great post
I’m not a huge fan of this pick, but I did enjoy the post and I love your enthusiasm. Baldwin has superb talent and if he gets his act together he is going to be incredible. But I say if because he has a lot of flags on his character.
However, with Fitz training him and the undoubted fact that Haley was all over Fitz for info…they have to feel like he’s worth the chance, otherwise they wouldn’t have made this decision. Great post again. Rec’d
2011 hopefuls: A new CBA, followed by a good draft, accented by a great season. In that order.
Hey Shotty
Look at the effect Haley has had on Bowe. He gets Baldwin out of the gate. I think it is all gonna be alright.
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Cassel doesn't have the arm to utilize any more speed than Baldwin has
Plus Baldwin is tall, has good hand, and can out jump most players. Good pick.
I keep thinking of those jump ball's one on one that chambers would time wrong.
now that shouldnt happen with baldwin
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
As a freshman, Baldwin was clocked sub-4.4.
If he works his way back to that kind of speed, he could quickly become the best WR in the 2011 draft class.
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As a soph he was clocked under 4.4 as well
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H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on May 3, 2011 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Might be I'm wrong on which year.
I’ve seen a 4.37 and a 4.38, somewhere around 2008.
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I've seen a few different places that
In highschool/Freshman he was reportedly clocked at 4.29, as a Soph he was clocked under 4.40. However those are just reports so who knows.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on May 5, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
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