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Two years before they were Champs

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I took a closer look at the rosters for both the 2009 Steelers and the 2010 Packers. I was looking for something that stood out to how they were similar beyond the obvious things like talented players. I then wanted to see how that could relate to the Chiefs and how we were progressing into a Championship-caliber football team. It's been well-documented how far we have come in such a short amount of time. We came from a 2-14 season to go 4-12 in 2009, and then 10-6 with a division Championship and home playoff game in 2010.

 

I compared the rosters from the 2008 Packers to the 2010 Packers, and same with the Chiefs. I compared the 2007 Steelers to the 2009 Steelers. This was two years before these teams won the Superbowl. There was something that really stood out about these teams and their rosters.

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We will start with the Packers of 2008 and 2010. There were only 4 starters on the 2010 squad that were not on the roster in 2008. Frank Zombo, BJ Ragi, Clay Matthews, and Bryan Bulaga. There were a couple of injuries but the trend was still significant. We are talking 4 starters total from each side of the ball were the only starters to not be on the team just two years prior to their Superbowl championship. Not all of these starters in 2010 were starting in 2008....but they were on the team. They had to develop their own talent. It's pretty amazing that they had free agency before the 2009 season, the 2009 draft, free agency before the 2010 season, and then the 2010 draft, and they still only found 4 starters that they needed to piece the puzzle well enough to win a Superbowl.

Obviously it helps to have an Aaron Rodgers on your team. But it shows that continuity goes a long way with the guys in the lockerroom and the idea that getting comfortable playing to the guys on your left and right really does make a huge difference. Also, getting the players on our team to develop into quality players is far more important than constantly looking for a replacement that "can't miss". We all seem to be pretty guilty of this right before the draft when we get so caught up in one player or another. How much better would this team be if Andy Studebaker developed into a solid SOLB? Or Jeremy Horne or Verran Tucker into a quality #2/#3? I'm not saying they will but the grass isn't always greener...

The 2007 Steelers were very similar to the 2009 Steelers. There were a few injuries to the Steelers as well with Mendenhall thinking he could run over Ray Lewis and we know how that went. Not counting Mendenhall...Justin Hartwig was the only starter on the Superbowl Championship team that was not on their roster in 2007. He signed as a free agent in 2008. Their entire starting defense was on the roster in 2007. That is more than just a coincidence. Continuity and development of in-house players makes a huge difference.

Obviously it's important to draft the right players but player development becomes even more important than nailing a draft class. Our coaches have already shown to get the best out of the talent that we have on the roster. Dwayne Bowe becomes a Pro-Bowler, Derrick Johnson plays at a Pro-Bowl level, and JC becomes one of the best RB's in the league.

If you're curious how the Chiefs roster looked differently in 2008 here you go. Here are the Chiefs starters in 2010 that were not on the roster in 2008. Matt Cassel, Ryan Lilja, Casey Weigmann, Tim Castille, Terrance Copper, Tony Moeaki, and Thomas Jones :) And then to the defense...Tyson Jackson, Mike Vrabel, Jovan Belcher, Eric Berry, and Kendrick Lewis.

There were a grand total of 5...count them 5 starters from BOTH the Steelers and Packers that weren't on the rosters two years prior to their Superbowl Championships. There were 12 starters from the Chiefs alone in 2010 that were not on the team in 2008. I know that we weren't going to win a Superbowl this past season but it does show how far we have come and where we are headed. In my opinion we are two years away right now from contending for a Championship. That means we need 4-5 starters on that team to come from 2 years of Free Agency, and two drafts.

It'd be great to get all of them in this one draft. But when I look at it from this perspective I don't see the same "fix all the needs with our top picks' philosophy. I think if we win the superbowl in two years I am confident that we will have a different Center, another WR, and a new NT. But I don't believe that we must take them with our top picks this year. We need to be patient and get the guys that we like and that will help us get to our goal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Pittsburgh_Steelers_season

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Pittsburgh_Steelers_season

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/gb/formation/3-4-defense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Green_Bay_Packers_season

What do you take away from these numbers?

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Starters we need to become SB champs

1. NT
2. OLB
3. ILB, Belcher is ok but an upgrade is needed plus DJ an still be inconsistent
4. WR/TE, see other posts another solid receivng threat, a ACE/Double TE may work
5. RB that does better than 2.8 to alter with Charle
6. Center ala Tim Grunhard/Jack Rudnay/Young Casey Weigemann

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Apr 26, 2011 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Needed impovment at:

1. NT, A true 2-gap defender to anchor. Plus a back up to rotate.
2. SOLB, Vrable is near end of the line.
3. Solid RB with great versatility to replace TJ who has had a great career.
4. #2 WR threat. Obvious when you look at stat dropoff after Bowe.
5. TE, Moeaki has potential, Pope is not versatile enough and no one else has stepped up.
6. C/G, Stats show that Chiefs don’t have power and size to move out anyone on short yardage situations.
7. We saw the disaster of a secondary that resulted with an injury or two. We nned added DB help at Safety and CB/Nickel/Dime. ( SIze to cover bigger recievers.)

We need at least seven new/ inproved players plus that assumes we will see improved play from existing players.

"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle

by CatChief on Apr 26, 2011 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Secondary!

     Are you messed up??????
  Berry and B Flowers play at Pro Bowl level Right Now,
B Carr is not far behind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Arrow Head Addict on Apr 27, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

One more

Backup QB, doesn’t have to be Tom Brady (but we welcome that, Greg McElroy at #199?) but we can’t guarnatee a win with Cassel but we can guarantee a loss without him. Remeber when we had Damon Huard as our backup to save our butts? Dave Krieg? No one of 22 guys of the street would be an improvement.

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Apr 26, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

good write up!

I hope Chiefs build up on this win one (or more) in the next 4 years because I made a 5 year slap bet with my friend. I’m already anxious about getting slapped between now and the end of next season (if there is one)

by worc on Apr 26, 2011 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I see a few of our holes being fixed by players that we currently have on the roster

You can’t know now who those players are but there will be guys who develop and become solid starters for our team moving forward.

Strategery

by BJ Kissel on Apr 26, 2011 1:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I think you mean

2009 Steelers and 2011 Packers
or 2008 Steelers and 2010 Packers

The Saints might have won a Super Bowl in between them or something :)

If this season was a "rebuilding" season, I can't wait to see what we're capable of once we're "rebuilt".

by GetYourRedOn on Apr 26, 2011 5:25 PM CDT reply actions  

yes....that!

The season year and year the game was played kept throwing me off but you get the point :)

Strategery

by BJ Kissel on Apr 26, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd !! I'd say we need at least 2 new starters and some of our depth to replace our aging veterans.

Center- Wiegman can’t have too many years left, might not be here this year
Guard- Waters might have anywhere from 1-3 seasons left
Nose Tackle- Edwards still has a few yrs left, but needs to be rotated more.
SOLB- Vrabel might not be back this year, so will will prob see Studie/Sheffield/drafted player
Short yd RB- TJ prob has a couple seasons left and we do have Battle at that position

Need improvement with a #1 or #2 WR, RT, and an elite QB. I don’t believe Cassel could ever be the QB to take us to the distance.

by chiefn25 on Apr 26, 2011 6:49 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks

I agree with your needs I just hope we have a couple of guys who could step in there and develop. I think getting a project QB is very important during this draft too.

Strategery

by BJ Kissel on Apr 26, 2011 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great post about something worth thinking about.

Obviously nowadays you don’t see many players staying with one team for 10 or 15 years. But I couldn’t agree with you more about the need for continuity and developing your own players. Teams win championships, and having teammates you have years of experience with is something that can’t be quantified. Look at that Steelers defense (even though they didn’t play all that great against A-Rod and the Pack)- they’ve been together for a very long time and as a result, they are able to execute that scheme at a very high level.

This all makes me very excited because now we have a nucleus of players that have been together for a few seasons now. Hopefully Crennel doesn’t pull a Chuck Weis and bail too!

by bobby sippio! on Apr 26, 2011 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

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