Three Chiefs Don't Get Tenders Including Ryan O'Callaghan, Jackie Battle
by Joel Thorman on Mar 4, 2011 11:41 AM CST
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PrintWe now have news on seven of the Kansas City Chiefs restricted or exclusive rights free agents. According to Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star, three Chiefs were not offered tenders including RB Jackie Battle, OT Ryan O'Callaghan and FB Tim Castille.
It's possible these players are re-signed when a CBA deal is completed.
As for Battle, if the Chiefs do move Dexter McCluster to more of a running back role, Battle would have been at best the fourth man down on the depth chart behind Jamaal Charles, Thomas Jones and McCluster. I still like him as an extra running back, though. I wouldn't be shocked to see him back.
As for O'Callaghan, he was injured at the start of last season and never regained his starting job from Barry Richardson, so he was a backup as it was.
As for Castille, it would appear Mike Cox won this battle (although, to be clear, we haven't confirmed Cox received a tender). What's interesting about Castille is that he conducted a radio show in Birmingham, Ala. this week and talked like he was coming back.
Others who have received tenders, as reported by Teicher, are OT Barry Richardson, CB Brandon Carr and DE Wallace Gilberry. LB Cory Greenwood signed a one-year contract as well.
This now means we're waiting for news on: TE Leonard Pope, C Rudy Niswanger, QB Brodie Croyle, TE Brad Cottam, FB Mike Cox, S Reshard Langford, CB Maurice Leggett, and LB Corey Mays.
(H/T tomahawk44)
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yeah, the more I think about it
the fact that they weren’t tendered doesn’t mean too much… there isn’t any risk of ANYONE signing with another team until a new CBA is reached… at which point, KC could just sign the players they want to keep.
So, the tenders went to the players with SOME risk of being signed by another team…
the ones who haven’t been tendered arent’ going anywhere, and could be signed (or not signed) depending on what other acquisitions the Chiefs make in the draft/FA
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
agreed
I for one will not worry about those players because I believe our staff will make the right decisions.
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by CasselKiLLer on Mar 4, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
yep, they are on my list of "could go either way"
once the draft class and (hopefully) FA are added, the roster gets really crowded, really quick.
I’m glad that the “fringe roster” guys are less repulsive than prior year fringe players… this group can actually play on an NFL level… the 2009 group.. not so much
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
Stupid question...
Can we talk to available free agents that have not been released by teams? or does the CBA have to end, or a new one signed beforehand?
Go Chiefs!!!!
no FA til the CBA is done
the extension is purely for negotiation nothing else
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I knew that we can't sign anyone... I wasn't sure if we could talk to them...
and if we did talk to them what would the consequences be?
Go Chiefs!!!!
Jackie Battle=future Thomas Jones keep him!
by KcChiefsMo on Mar 4, 2011 12:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Problem is
Battle always wins a roster spot by looking great in preseason, but doesn’t get the chance or capitalize on it during the season. It’s been the same with him almost every year.
They must be willing to take the chance on using that roster spot on a new player to develop. Battle plays a lot on ST though I think, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back either.
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he capitalized in the games he got a shot in
the 4th down play in one of the games later on in the season comes to mind. His td leap, The Buffalo game. He didnt get many chances during the season because they were messing with Jones and McCluster. Battle can easily fill the hole Jones will leave when he leaves. IMO he’s more of a power back than Jones and he’s just as fast
But he's not as all-around.
I THINK what’s limiting HIM is what he does when he doesn’t get the rock. Apparently there are other guys they’re rather see blocking (lead or pass-pro).
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When
did he ever show anything that would make people think he could be an NFL running back? That is like saying Dex is the next Jackson.
by Raiderhater1 on Mar 4, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Nope
He is balck…
Didnt you know that is the way the NFL analyst always look at it?
by Raiderhater1 on Mar 4, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
He's obviously shown the Chiefs for several years in a row and even survived the regime change
Point was, I think the Chiefs may be ready to move to someone with an upside that can actually develop.
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41 carries
is what they think about him as a RB…
He was a good ST player but was never counted on to run the ball. After 4 years you move on from that…
by Raiderhater1 on Mar 4, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Again, I think it's limitations in other areas that may be the stumbling block with Battle.
Think about how awesome JC is as a runner, but how HE needed to round out HIS game before Haley gave him more snaps. We can talk about being thrust to the fore by LJ’s expulsion, but there were also some key developments in JC’s game, before Haley gave him many snaps. I remember him being PATHETIC in pass pro in ’09, but much improved by the last quarter or so of the season.
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I agree
that he didnt get enough carries to get a full view of him, but the only time he did anything was in the preseason vs scrubs. After 4 years of “development” I cant say that I have seen anything that we couldnt get from a 5th round specialist. I think you can replace him very quickly and see if someone else can develop. I cant see Battle, after 4 year, finding that light switch.
Did you watch the Jacksonville game?
apparently not or you wouldnt be asking that question….they took Jones out, put Battle in and didnt miss a step
Really
ONE game, IN A BLOWOUT! He had 3 carries for 12 yards… You have a REALLY low standard.
So your saying that you think a guy that goes in at the last drive of a blowout and gets 4.0 ypc is the next TJ? Wow why did we ever get rid of Thigpen? He was the next Steve Young!
Go back and watch EVERY other game he has EVER carried the ball in. I will take ALL of those of your 3 carry 12 yard game!
by Raiderhater1 on Mar 4, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Uhm I was just using that game as a reference cause it was the one game he got more than 2 carries
I could reference the other games where he had only one carry….would you like to jump down my throat about it being too small of a sample size before I bring it up? nevermind the fact that I never said he would be the next Thomas Jones…someone else said that. I just think he can fill the role. that was a nice little rant there about thigpen and all…but not really
Hopefully this means that we've got our eye on someone at RT
Probably doesn’t mean much that these guys were not tendered but I hope it means that we’re going to be upgrading at RT.
I'd be fine with that
My thought:
IF they don’t want to spend a 1st on Taylor, and Kerrigan / Aldon Smith are gone…
I’d want Sherrod or Castonazo at #21
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
Justin Houston is my favorite pick right now.
But, I would not be disappointed to see Castonazo in a Chiefs Uni…
by harleyman1200 on Mar 4, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't trust him in space
Rather take Brook Reeds in all honesty
Dream Mock Draft:
1. Aldon Smith OLB Missouri
2. Phil Taylor NT Baylor
3. Tim Barnes C Missouri
4. Vincent Brown WR SD State
5A. Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa
5B. Mario Harvey ILB Marshall
7. Hank Hynoski FB Pittsburgh
by ChiefWarPaint on Mar 4, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
I like a Brooks Reed or Sam Acho pick alot at that position.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Mar 4, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yah, I thought Acho moved up with a good combine.
Either Reed or Acho would be good 2nd round picks. If Kerrigan or Aldon Smith are gone in first.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Agreed
Id like Acho in the 3rd though, I don’t exactly trust his ability in space either.
Dream Mock Draft:
1. Aldon Smith OLB Missouri
2. Phil Taylor NT Baylor
3. Tim Barnes C Missouri
4. Vincent Brown WR SD State
5A. Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa
5B. Mario Harvey ILB Marshall
7. Hank Hynoski FB Pittsburgh
by ChiefWarPaint on Mar 4, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
I love me some OLB, but I think it's likely that KC can secure someone pretty darn good later, rather than sooner.
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Reed is my boy in this draft
With Reed across of Hali, we’d be a dominant force
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I'm in AZ right now
So Reed would be fine by me, he’s definitely got the athleticism and his explosiveness is legit. Might take some Development, but I think he could be a force next to Tamba hope he lasts till our 2nd round pick somehow.
Dream Mock Draft:
1. Aldon Smith OLB Missouri
2. Phil Taylor NT Baylor
3. Tim Barnes C Missouri
4. Vincent Brown WR SD State
5A. Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa
5B. Mario Harvey ILB Marshall
7. Hank Hynoski FB Pittsburgh
by ChiefWarPaint on Mar 4, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yes to Castonzo :)
Draft
Berry 2010
Castonzo 2011
Floyd 2012 (24th)
FA
Jones 2010
ANY BAD-ASS WR AVAILABLE! 2011
Tony Gonzalez (IND) 2012
by Chiefs_swagger on Mar 4, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Chiefs did pretty well with B-Rich on the line last year
Just sayin’…possible they’re not looking to upgrade.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 4, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
This.
Third year player. Belcher falls into this same category.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Mar 4, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking this
he’s only been starting for a year, and his problems are mostly technical, he could realistically be coached up to be a starter for us
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Exactly
with a year of tape I think we could see some improvement from last year.
Dream Mock Draft:
1. Aldon Smith OLB Missouri
2. Phil Taylor NT Baylor
3. Tim Barnes C Missouri
4. Vincent Brown WR SD State
5A. Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa
5B. Mario Harvey ILB Marshall
7. Hank Hynoski FB Pittsburgh
by ChiefWarPaint on Mar 4, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Or maybe, Joel, they're thinking Richardson is going to be a stud swing tackle, behind somebody better.
But looking at Pioli’s pattern from NE, it appears that he’s content with being “just OK” at that right tackle spot, and Richardson is at least that.
Another reason I’m looking for OT upgrade is looking at all the DEs in this draft. “Good” at tackle might not be good ENOUGH in the next 4 or 5 years. Looks like d-line is stealing a march on o-line in the talent department, currently.
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They can't tender him
His been in the league over 6 years so the RFA tender doesn’t apply. They’ll have to hope they can resign him when FA opens
by harleyman1200 on Mar 4, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Informed reader
Good explanation.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 4, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
So Joel gets greened, because harlyeman made a great comment?
Heh.
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I have faith in BRich
I hope we retain both him and Ocall and let them battle it out in training camp. I hope we upgrade our biggest weakness
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Could this be some insight?
I’m getting ahead of myself here but could this be a clue that the Chiefs have been talking to McClain and he has showed interest in coming to KC? I hope the answer is yes.
No it doesn't say anything about McClain
He’s under contract with the Ravens and can’t talk to the Chiefs.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 4, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
They didnt tender
McClain. John Harbaugh said they would let him test the market to see if he could be a ball carrier.
by Raiderhater1 on Mar 4, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
You know teams will
in one way or the other…
Kind of like they couldnt talk to players before the start of FA yet people would work out deals worth upwards of $60mil shortly after the start of FA…
by Raiderhater1 on Mar 4, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
I think I read that teams were allowed to talk
but not negotiate or sign a contract
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
Hey Tark
Not questioning, but rather wondering, what is the controlling authority. If the CBA expires and a player is not under contract, what is it that prevents the teams from signing players? Thanks in advance…………….
As I understand it...
There were provisions agreed to in the previous/current CBA that bounds both sides to certain obligations even after the CBA expires and there is no new agreement.
For example, if the CBA expires, the NFLPA cannot decertify for six months, because that was what they agreed to. (Or maybe it was just the suing part, but it still applies.) That’s why it’s important that if they’re going to do it, it has to be done before expiration.
I believe the same thing exists for stuff like free agency and even the draft. Of course, even beyond that, the owners could simply agree amongst themselves to cut off transactions without a CBA, but I don’t think that’s the case here.
Resign ≠ Re-sign
If we've been talking to McClain
we’re risking losing a draft pick, not something the Pioli regime is willing to do for a FB
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I'm pretty OK with this list
If we just brought back those that have already received contracts or a tender I wouldn’t be upset, the rest seem to be depth at best…and the problem last year was lack of quality depth.
Disagree, with possible exception of the safety position.
The problem was with the STARTERS. A few or several of the kinds of guys we’re talking about will be the quality depth behind better starters, if things go as hoped.
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yeah thats why we didnt make the playoffs ,thats why we didnt have the 14 ranked defense
thats we we didnt have the 12th ranked offense. thats why we werent the division champs because the starter where the problem.
by chiefslegend58 on Mar 5, 2011 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
Castille>Cox
Cox didn’t receiving any playing time till end of the year. Castille is a more versatile player, can catch out of the backfield and play HB if called upon. Cox is a one trick pony. The entire position could use upgrading but between the two I’d take Castille
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by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 4, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions
not sure I agree
I’d go with the better blocker… how many carries and receptions did the “versatile” Castille have in 2010?
Cox can catch the ONE play I’ve ever seen KC run for the FB, that little pass out into the flat.
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
Yes. Cox can catch the ball outta the backfield.
He’s not been convincing as a lead blocker, yet. And he’s not been impressive in pass pro. Castille is a do-the-dirty-work kind of RB. I’m not sure if he’s a good runner or not, because I’ve never seen him presented with a good situation in his very limited touches.
Our current OL executed very well, except in the sustaining of their blocks. They were where they were supposed to be, but ?physical? limitations made the seams they open snap shut VERY quickly. Thomas Jones, who’s quicker than any of those bigger backs, wasn’t quick enough to the hole on numerous occasions. Those were holes that only a Jamaal Charles or Chris Johnson (or healthy Dexter McClluster) could exploit.
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When that one trick is the most important trick a FB has I'd take the one trick.
Castille cant block very well and that’s kind of a FBs #1 responsibility.
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by GenericBrand on Mar 4, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
That makes zero sense
#91 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 4, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Mike Cox's one trick is blocking.
If you’re going to be a one trick pony, blocking is the best trick you can have as a FB.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Feel the same way
Rather keep Cox Blocking
Dream Mock Draft:
1. Aldon Smith OLB Missouri
2. Phil Taylor NT Baylor
3. Tim Barnes C Missouri
4. Vincent Brown WR SD State
5A. Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa
5B. Mario Harvey ILB Marshall
7. Hank Hynoski FB Pittsburgh
by ChiefWarPaint on Mar 4, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
I see what you did there...
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...
by kcchiefsfan72 on Mar 4, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Was f'ing with ya
#91 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 4, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Heh. And I thought Cox wasn't too impressive as a lead blocker.
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I thought he was, in the few opportunities he was given.
It’s hard to judge until they start using him more. I think their really missing the boat with Cox. The kid can block.
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exactly
if you had a kicker that was kinda good at a lot of things, and another kicker that was really good at Kicking, but not at those other things… I’m thinking you’d want the better kicker
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
i said that earlier in the year
If you notice, JC runs the ball extremely well when Cox is front of him (cue the cox jokes)
by CHIEFFAN82 on Mar 4, 2011 1:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cox only played in 7 games.
Apparently, JC ran the ball pretty well without him, too.
Resign ≠ Re-sign
True but if it means anything
I know cox wasn’t
by CHIEFFAN82 on Mar 4, 2011 1:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wasnt in the last 2 games
(Stupid mobile phone)
by CHIEFFAN82 on Mar 4, 2011 1:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But the Raiders' and Ravens' D were.
Mind you, I’m not campaigning for either. I just don’t understand the, um, Cox fetish. They both, well, suck.
Resign ≠ Re-sign
by Tarkus on Mar 4, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes to replace them both
But Cox was our FB. If we are going to replace him bring in an upgrade. Castille in my opinion is not an upgrade. Actually I could see us bringing in one good FB and dumping both opening up another roster spot.
You say that...
But Cox didn’t even play in half the games, so I’m not sure why you’d say he was our FB.
I too would love to see the Chiefs bring in McClain one good FB to replace both of them. I see no reason to carry two FBs, unless one is on the practice squad.
Resign ≠ Re-sign
Well apparently we're going to be employing
Cox blocking for the forseeable future.
And I don’t see McClain being a FB, he’s leaving Balt because he wants to be like Peyton Hillis.
Dream Mock Draft:
1. Aldon Smith OLB Missouri
2. Phil Taylor NT Baylor
3. Tim Barnes C Missouri
4. Vincent Brown WR SD State
5A. Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa
5B. Mario Harvey ILB Marshall
7. Hank Hynoski FB Pittsburgh
by ChiefWarPaint on Mar 4, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Neither Cox nor Castille know where they'll be playing.
As far as McClain, I didn’t take it that he wants to be a featured back. Or I should say, I didn’t take it that he’d only be satisfied being a featured back. What I took from his comments was that he doesn’t mind blocking, but he also wants to get some carries. I’m fine with that. A blocking FB who can run will only help the offense.
Resign ≠ Re-sign
McClain would be a serious upgrade.
I’d love to see a pro set become the norm for the Chiefs. I like having the two players in the middle of the field, threatening both wings and the middle. IMO, the main reason we haven’t seen a whole lot of 2-back offense is because KC doesn’t have a (more) dominant WR opposite Bowe, and the extra TE also helps the O-line.
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I would easily
pay $4mil/yr for McClain. I have said this many times. He would take the spot of 3 players. He would be our 3rd RB as well as our FB on the plays that require him. Imagine the depth at other positions with that.
He was our FB
before Haley brought in Castille. Point was Castille should have never been brought in unless he was an upgrade.
I’m guessing Haley thought they may push each other and one would emerge as the clear choice. (Didn’t and don’t think its going to happen).
I think we keep Cox until we secure another FB and maybe through camp and then cut him loose.
To MY imperfect eye, Castille looked a little more NFL-ready than Cox.
A little more sure of himself. I discount a LOT for the poor situations Haley was willing to put him in.
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our rushing game was off every week that Cox was inactive
Castille is a receiver trying to play FB, and not the Marcel Reece kind
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Well, pretty obvious who they think is the superior RT
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You didn't notice
All of last year?
Dream Mock Draft:
1. Aldon Smith OLB Missouri
2. Phil Taylor NT Baylor
3. Tim Barnes C Missouri
4. Vincent Brown WR SD State
5A. Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa
5B. Mario Harvey ILB Marshall
7. Hank Hynoski FB Pittsburgh
by ChiefWarPaint on Mar 4, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
O'Callaghan was listed as a starter all last year
Did you not notice?
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2011 4:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
With FB Tim Castille go looks like we might draft one...like Anthony Sherman
When I saw him at the combine I did so research on the guy, and he impressed me more than Owen Marecic.
Than I watch all of the combine and gave a closer look when he did his drills and look much better than all the FB in the combine, he blow up the bench press and he ran an great 40 time for some that build, at 245+ pounds; he had quick feet for a FB at the combine and caught ever pass thrown to him.
Look at some videos on him he can also line up as a TE in running and short yard plays. Also was a special team AS and a Team Captin for the last 2 years a UCoon.
Looking at the Jets running game last year, they had a step forward thanks to John Conner their 250+ bulldozer.
I think he is a perfect fit for our running game and also can be Sr.Check down for Cassel, also his personal bodygard on deep passes…
Well that what I think, what do you think….
look this link and then we can talk…his #49…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAPDJlOTlDA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y03HQc0xi4Y
1st Round #21 Stephen Paea(NT/Oregon St.)
2nd Round #55 Titus Young(WR/Boise St. )
3rd Round #86 Marcus Cannon(OG/TCU)
4th Round #117 Ricky Stanzi(QB/Iowa)
5th Round #132 Greg Salas(WR/Hawaii)
5th Round #136 Tim Barnes(C/Missouri)
7th Round #212 Anthony Sherman(FB/Connecticut)
I like Cox as a FB...
but we still need to upgrade that position. In fact, use the FB a little more vice merely throwing a one-back set at the defense all the time. I think with a more efficient FB, Charles would have a helluva lot more yards and Jones might actually gain more than 1 or 2 yards a carry. I do wonder whether they’ll actually give up a tender for Cox. I just made myself chuckle. In fact, I can see the headlines now…
“Chiefs tender Cox disappointed Castille”
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Didn't say carry two fullbacks...
I said I like Mike Cox over Castille, but that we still need to upgrade the position. I just don’t think it is one of our major holes right now. And yes, that’s what she said…
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...
by kcchiefsfan72 on Mar 8, 2011 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Haha...I like Cox..Mike that is
over Castille…but I think Fullbacks are a dying breed, but what do I know….
Castille can’t block, but can catch and run.
Cox can block, but can’t catch and run AS well as Castille.
We rarely through to our FBs anyways…not sure what we do. I’d said hang on to one and not the other so we don’t have to waste a pick in the draft.
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