Unwashed Hands and Open Palms
by KC_Satchmo on Mar 11, 2011 7:57 AM CST
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Print[From the FanPosts. The gloves are coming off. -Joel]
Here’s to you Roger Goodell and Demaurice Smith, walking hand in grubby hand right off the labor negotiations cliff once again. Before you take your ill conceived leap today, I thought I would take a few moments to type some words that you may be able to see, but you clearly can’t hear. Your dirty hands the result of spending so much time dipping them into our collective pockets. It seems only fitting that your leap of faithlessness will land in the warm embrace of a Judicial System provided by our tax dollars. You can’t figure out how to divide up the money you make by squeezing every last penny out of your loyal customers, so now you need public funded services to force one side or the other into submission.
Bravo. Even Charlie Sheen says you’re winning.
Let’s start with you Mr. Smith. You and your legion of millionaires masquerading as our heroes. forever aligning yourself with the common man against the greed of Billionaire CEOs. This just in, we’re not buying it. You have not answered a single direct question about this negotiation and yet somehow you never stop talking. You speak in condescending bullet points that you seem to genuinely believe will win over the court of public opinion. I didn’t know who you were before this all started and I am sickened by what I see.
You tell us that the owners are locking out the fans as well as the players as if we’re all in this together. We’re not. You see, we’re smarter than you give us credit for. We realize that by refusing to make any concessions in this negotiation you’re sending the clear message that you’re determined to pull every dollar possible out of our pockets during the worst economic environment since the Great Depression. We’re smart enough to know what the end game is for you, so allow me to sum up your position. “If the owners want more money they should raise ticket prices and gather it from the fans.” That’s who you are. Own it.
You prattle on endlessly about the things you won’t give up. You won’t allow an 18 game schedule, you won’t reduce your share of the revenue, you want more of that money guaranteed and you want better long term benefits for you and your families. (I can’t wait to see how much ticket prices will escalate to provide dental care for Antonio Cromartie’s 18 kids) Why don’t you tell us about the concessions you are willing to make for a change? Oh, that’s right, there aren’t any. And don’t even think of trying to sell us that the rookie wage scale is a concession. It doesn’t lower the salary cap, so that money just gets redistributed to veterans, which is exactly what you want. Nice try. Thanks for playing.
You tell us that that people don’t pay to see owners, they pay to see players and therefore the players deserve every dollar they get. Well, you have a point. I wouldn’t pay a dime to see Bud Adams make an obscene gesture to a stadium full of paying customers. Guess who else I don’t pay to see. The 3rd string LB who only gets on the field during kickoffs. And yet, he sits on the bench and collects a million dollars every year. I don’t pay to see the emergency QB carry his clipboard and chat up the cheerleaders. I probably couldn’t find him if I wanted to. The view is obscured by his pile of undeserved cash. I don’t pay to see the $400K/year practice squad guys, most of which will never see the field in an actual NFL game.
And I sure as hell don’t pay to see you, Demaurice Smith. Get off my screen.
Oh and I haven’t forgotten about you Mr. Goodell and your team of spoiled billionaires holding out for that extra chump change you need to buy that 3rd Learjet and 4th Aston Martin. Excuse us if we don’t shed a tear while you whine and cry about how public funding doesn’t cover ALL of your stadium expenses. I recently asked my City Council to provide public funding for me to open a Fat Burger location. In spite of my promises to put in a wide screen so that my customers could watch NFL games while scarfing down a Double King topped with chili and egg, to my surprise, they said no.
And by the way owners, thanks for finally joining us. After 2 years of “negotiating” you finally managed to show up to some meetings this week. All it took to get you to the table was for the original deadline to actually pass. Great job staying out in front of this mess. I guess you couldn’t all make it. Robert Kraft is apparently vacationing in the Middle East. I suppose being surrounded by 3000 years of war and religious animosity would be a welcome respite from the stress of trying to figure out how to divide 9 BILLION dollars. Don’t forget to claim the trip as a tax write off for your Real Estate Development company. Just tell them you’re scouting out locations for a new “What would Jesus buy? Strip-Mall” in downtown Jerusalem.
It was great to hear this week that the league won’t be opening up the books to their employees. We wouldn’t want anybody to find out that you’re willing to shut down the game for a few extra millions that you’ll never be able to spend. Or maybe you’re just trying to hide the facts from the IRS. We wouldn’t want them to find out that the group of fat cats who collude to monopolize an industry are actually lying about how much money they make while doing it. Or maybe you just don’t want the public to know that with all the cash you rake in from over-priced parking, hot dogs, memorabilia and broadcast rights you could actually give away all the game tickets and still make a pretty penny.
I’m also enjoying Mr. Goodell constantly telling us that the NFL wants to hear what the fans have to say. It’s great to know you care, but something is obviously getting lost in translation. We tell you that we don’t want to pay full price for pre-season games. You hear “If you add more regular season games, you can sell us more nachos.” We tell you that we want to see more meaningful games in primetime. You hear “If you put more games on NFL Network we’ll be compelled to pay for it.” We tell you we don’t want a work stoppage. You hear “lock out those greedy players.”
Well, as long as we’re bringing more people to the negotiating table, allow me to suggest a few more. How about we get some cheerleaders in there. Maybe they can talk about how they get so little of the 9 BILLION dollars they all have to work other jobs. Or maybe some of the refs who get to work real jobs to supplement the pittance you pay them. Or how about the grounds crew guys making minimum wage. Maybe you should invite some of the front office employees you laid off because there MIGHT be a work stoppage. I got it! Invite that guy with the bulldog mask from the “dog pound” in Cleveland. You can look deep into his puppy dog eyes and explain to him why you are in such a hurry to collect his season ticket money, but you’re in no hurry to make sure there’s an actual season for him to watch.
This should work out great for you. With all these new people at the table, owners and players will have someone else to blame. Maybe we’ll all forget that the blood on your hands is turning green from ink lining the cash in your pockets. Those hands that only loosen their grip on a 9 BILLION dollar bankroll long enough to turn up a palm and collect the next round of green. Those hands that alternately slap us in the face then pat us on the back. Those filthy hands with the upturned palms.
FIN
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Great read. Nice work.
Even though your numbers are a bit off in order to make some of your points, this is a great post. I agree completely. If these guys would put all of their effort into getting this done instead of trying to win over the fan approval we would be better off. In the end, the fans don’t matter to either side right now. They want us to believe we do, but we don’t. We will only matter after they have finished burning their own house down and need our hard earned money to help them build a new one.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Mar 11, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks
the exact numbers really weren’t even relevant to me.
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Me either!
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Mar 11, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Satch, I love you, man! thank you, thank you, thank you ... for saying what we all (or most of us) think ... bravo and trainwrecked ... carwrecked ... shipwrecked and now we're all marooned with no season ... gotta love it
I hereby propose the NFL owners send 2011’s 9 Billion Dollars of profits to Japan to help them rebuild from the earthquake and tsunami
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I suggested the 400mil they're apart go to Japan in another thread
but I like your idea better.
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Dang Ups we rebuilt Japan once already
and Germany and Iran and Italy and England and France and…….the Dominica Republic
Enough already
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol If we could put as much focus on building our own country we would be set huh Steve
by 78Chief on Mar 11, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
I don’t recall anyone from the UK, China, or France coming through to help us with Katrina. Sadly if we weren’t so busy imperializing these places in the last centuries we wouldn’t feel a moral obligation. Our foreign affairs of the past are biting us in the ass for the future.
When did we imperialize Germany, England, China, or France?
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by MNchiefsfan on Mar 12, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
We imperialized China
I only listed the following countries because those are the next best countries fiscally behind of course the US. Even though they are elite fiscally they never help the U.S. with natural disasters. That was my point. The other was, we (the U.S.) wouldnt feel as obligated to spend trillions of dollars on other countries if we didnt imperialize them centuries ago. Sorry if i didnt word it clearly
We imperialized China?
You worded it fine… I just think you’re wrong, that’s all
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And we then established a colony?
Because that’s what imperialism is. not just being involved in a fight.
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Not 100% sure about imperialism
but im 100% sure we were involved. Either way we would be contributing to imperialism in China because if we fought with the side that would later make its own colonies in a way we were contributing. In a significant way actually
There's a big difference between fighting on a side in a war
And being imperialistic. And perhaps you should read more about WHY we went into battle that particular time… it wasn’t an act of aggression, but rather a response.
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by MNchiefsfan on Mar 17, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok America was imperialistic
Just, they weren’t the main country involved during the whole thing in China. But America is a result of imperialism, so yeah they are kinda imperialistic. And two wrongs dont make a right but the boxer rebellion was the result of forced christianity and a false sense of superiority from the western hemisphere (including the U.S.). Im not saying the U.S. single handedly imperialized China i was wrong before, but the U.S. was involved for the wrong reasons.
I think there was also a matter of forcibly peddling opium against the wishes of the Chinese.
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i thought that was the British
but back in late 19th century and early 20th, pretty much everything Britain or France did, U.S. had some part in it and vise versa
Yeah, the ally system was really big then
Hence that big war or something…
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until eventually it was peddliong Coca Cola and McDonald's
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Now this I can get on board with...
the U.S. was involved for the wrong reasons.
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And I think it's cool you could admit to being (only partially) wrong
Many won’t do even that, so good for you.
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That was awesome brother. Now email that to Roger dumbass goodell
by ~chief_ganja_king~ on Mar 11, 2011 8:38 AM CST via mobile reply actions
and don't forget DeMourice Dumbass Smith too
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Mar 11, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
The guy really pissed me off the other day. Sounded like a arrogant prick when he said “I always like to leave you with something to think about….” and continued into a lecture about the protests in Selma.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
We won't blame one side or the other
We’re blaming everyone involved.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 11, 2011 8:41 AM CST reply actions 9 recs
We the fans are the victims of the greed on both side,in time they will price the fans right out of the game.
Is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
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AMEN
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Want to send a clear statement to the owners and players?
There is really only one thing they will understand, and that is losing their customer base.
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by citadelchief on Mar 11, 2011 8:44 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Ahem...
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
If Canada was so great
it would be a state
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by KC_Satchmo on Mar 11, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
LMAO.
That was below the belt.
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Mar 11, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
That's fine
Economist recently put out their list of Top 10 cities in the world to live in.
3 were Canada, including Calgary at #5.
But no, I should probably move to Delaware. That’s where it’s at.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Credit where it's due
Montreal Strippers = Epic Winning
Montreal Alouettes = Channel Surfing
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by citadelchief on Mar 11, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Go Australia
4 in the top 10
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
Hali and Flowers are Pro Bowlers, even if the NFL fails to realise it
by trentchiefsfan on Mar 12, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with pretty much everything
except the 3rd string LB making a mil/year. Or PS guys making $400K. Most of those people make the minimum league-mandated wage, which can be anywhere from $250k-$7XXk/year. Not saying that’s chump change, because it’s a helluva lot more than I’ll ever make for 6 months of actual work, but really you can’t be mad at those guys for having an exploitable talent that people overpay to see.
If anyone is to blame for this show of greed, it’s the fans. We keep paying whatever they want us too, and showing up in droves doing so. While it’s the owners and players being greedy, the fans continue to feed it.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
Kickoffs are a part of the game (at least one time, anyway)
so you pay to see whoever may be playing on any given day. You also pay to see the opposing team play. You sorta pay to see the practice squad players (without them, Brian Waters, Ryan Lilja, wouldn’t have a career)
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
Makes me want to shower . . .
although the stench won’t go away. Excellent writing!!! I Love the game & Hate the business
by ChiefMedicineMan on Mar 11, 2011 9:01 AM CST reply actions
Excellent read
It’s good to finally see someone doing a full post blaming both sides. Because both sides are destroying what should be a relatively easy process…
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Thanks
I enjoyed the read. Lets hope for good news come 3:00 p.m. EST.
Rec’d
The 2010 Kansas City Chiefs draft class will go down in history as one of the single greatest draft classes in the history of the league.
3 Cheers for Satchmo.
I could feel your anger and distaste for the mountain of crap they have been feeding us.
Bravo… Well Said… This article deserves Sports Illustrated story of the year.
Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what they should do is cut player pay cut owners pay put more games on network tv and lower ticket prices and lower memorabilia prices, and write every damn football fan a apology for failing to remember where the bread is buttered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This fanpost screams most rec'd of all time
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If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
I think the first Satchmo had more
Ironic that the authors of the top 2 fanposts of all time aren’t members anymore.
Maybe ironic isn’t the word.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah had forgotten that his old stuff doesn’t show up any more. Carlin would say it’s coincidence.
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Sucky?
I feel like I missed a golden era on AP by not actually joining until last year…
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by nateforchiefs on Mar 11, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
He's gonna have to break his old record
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by averagegatsby on Mar 11, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Its almost like they are daring us to do something different this fall
and won’t it be something to find out we, as fans, can actually survive and have fun doing something besides giving our diminishing and hard earned money to these bastards who don’t appreciate anything.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Mar 11, 2011 9:43 AM CST reply actions 8 recs
This
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
Fortunately I have baseball till November.
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by averagegatsby on Mar 11, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Wow Joel
You are giving the Royals more credit than I am.
RUN DEXTER RUN!!!!
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Mar 11, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't say I would be watching the Royals in November...
Honestly I casually watch more baseball games than football games.
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by averagegatsby on Mar 11, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
June... Well as a royals fan it sucks
But this year we gave our 1st wave of home grown next era players… And they are gooooood…
We need BEEF; My Take on the draft by position
1. NT 2. OT 3. OLB 4.C 5a.QB 5b. C/G 7. S
by Mas Cervezas on Mar 11, 2011 5:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
One can only hope.
Would be pretty awesome if some other league did the NFL like UFC did boxing.
"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.
Ultimate Football
In which players can use ju-jitsu to make tackles and block…
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The good, the bad, and the ugly of that...
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Yikes
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by MNchiefsfan on Mar 12, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Ill be doing a lot of hunting if they dont play.
Bleed Chiefs
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What can you say...
It’s embarrassing to watch billionaires trying to squeeze the golden goose at the expense of fans who are working their ass off just to survive.
If we had any sense we would realize Pro Football is an addiction we can no longer afford and we all should seek rehab.
We have a monkey on our back…now it looks like we have to live with it.
Owners and players are our drug dealers…we’ve got it bad and they know it.
Brodie's better than Cassel
Nothing has control of me besides my wife....
I love the game. I will walk away from it in a heart beat if I have too. Just like anything else in life it can be replaced.
Rec’d for the post. Great read from both sides.
BRAVO
I couldn’t have said it better. I hope this post gets national attention. I don’t think the networks have been harsh enough on the people involved and tis post says it all. Well done sir.
by Tyran on Mar 11, 2011 9:54 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Generally the media is too obsessed
With focusing on the “union vs management” part of the story, so it becomes all about blaming one side.
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So you think you can be absent for months then make a post and think we will all take you back...
Well you are right… And this is a fantastic read, and pretty spot on.
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by averagegatsby on Mar 11, 2011 10:00 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
People should still hate me if that's their thing
I didn’t write this for AP. Couldn’t sleep last night so I just started typing. When it was done it read pretty good so I released it into the wild this morning.
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People don’t hate you, they hate criticism and you’re not afraid to criticize.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
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I hate him
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
I'll take a half dozen of the other ;)
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Wait... People hate you?
I will personally track them all down and fist fight them.
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by averagegatsby on Mar 11, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Fixed
I will personally track them all down and fist them.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
How the hell did you put your signature in a blockquote?
Are you Jesus?
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
No
But I bought my blockquote skills at his strip mall
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
either way they will get theirs...
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by averagegatsby on Mar 11, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Where you been lately Aiken?
You’ve been missing all the fun political talk…
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Father-in-law had to have heart surgery.
Been a little busy. Besides, with the idiocy that is called NFL football right now, we might as well find soccer blogs to read.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Amen to that
Sorry about the Father-in-law, man.
Bad week, huh?
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yea
pretty stressful. The wife is stressed to the max and I am tired. This kind of stuff kinda makes Mike Vrabel and Judge Doty fade into the background. Some of the family will be up in the Onamia area next week for a wedding. Can you work on getting rid of some of the snow?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Already on it
We’re due for highs above freezing all this week, so you ought to be all right.
Of course, we could have a random storm drop a foot and a half of snow this weekend. That’s March weather in MN… it’s as unpredictable as Charlie Sheen.
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Never said I hated anyone
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Glad to have you back bro
I can tell you have just as much animosity as I do against both sides, but you are just a much more eloquent writer than me. That’s one too many compliments you homely mouth breather, so I’ll stop there.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2011 10:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
It may read like I'm angry, but I'm actually not.
Disgust is the only word that fits. I don’t mind that they make so much money. I don’t mind that they try to make more. All I ask is 2 things
1) Don’t expect us to feel sorry for you.
2) Play the goddamn games.
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by KC_Satchmo on Mar 11, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
This
Don’t expect us to feel sorry for you.
Is the biggest problem I have with both sides. Do what you’ve gotta do, but stop pretending to be some kind of helpless victim.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Amazing
Great read. Reading it again
With the 21st pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select:
-Torrey Smith, WR Maryland - Akeem Ayers, LB UCLA
-Phil Taylor, NT Baylor - Stefen Wisnieski, C Penn St.
I'll take it!
by FalconMF27 on Mar 11, 2011 10:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Thank You Satch.
For putting into words what many of us are too disgusted to express.
I think the status of the negotiations is exemplified by this interchange between CNBC and D. Foxworth, CB for Ravens, who is sitting in on the proceedings.
Foxworth: Well, we’ll see. Like you said, I was only in the room for a little bit today. Things haven’t been great as you’ve heard. They’ve offered us two numbers. They want us to evaluate a $1 billion decision based on two numbers, so it’s really hard to say with any certainty that anything positive is going to happen in the next couple days. When I leave here, I’m going back and we’re going to continue to work until the late hours of the night until tomorrow evening."
CNBC: As I understand it, we are now at $700 million, and $1.7 billion collectively for the expense credit. Are we getting down closer, can that number move significantly?
Foxworth: Anything can happen. Like I said before, we’re going to go back and keep working on it. One of the key things that I want to get across is that they’re asking us to make a very major deal and concede a significant amount of money based on not allowing us to look through all the numbers and make sure what they’re showing us is accurate. I keep on saying it over and over again but it’s important because they’re portraying it like they are giving an open look into all their books, but they’re offering us two numbers. And we’re supposed to concede $700 million, as you said, based on two numbers that they’ve given us and they haven’t even given us the opportunity to verify those numbers.
This snippet of information shows that the owners have come down from asking $1 billion in concessions to $700 Million. It also indicates the Players are unwilling to make any concessions at this time.
My past experience in viewing Labor Negotiations was that labor would : 1) ask for a huge “King’s Ransom”, 2) play hard ball until Mediators were brought in, 3) settle for half a “King’s Ransom”. 4) repeat process every few years until labor was indeed being paid a “King’s Ransom”.
It is interesting to see how the process goes when it is concessions that are on the table instead of gains.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Lets just hope things don't go as bad as theyt did when the UAW
was still asking for that ransom in a depressed industry. I love football, but I will watch Washington burn before allowing tax dollars to bail it out.
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What the poor mistreated players aren't saying.
1. The extra $700M (off the top) would only be $420M from the players slice of the pie (60%).
2. The increased revenue from ESPN will exceed $700M next year.
3. The players won’t be taking anything out of their pocket.
4. The players slice of the pie has gone up by almost $1B over the past five years.
The owners will be giving up $280M from their slice of the pie. Now this is to help fund growth. The players want us to think the owners are the only ones who benefit from the growth. BS. 60% of incremental revenue goes to the players. Why shouldn’t they pony up to help grow revenue.
by grid_iron on Mar 11, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
All this
I know the owners are greedy bastards, too. But the players come out again and again basically saying they’re not going to concede anything… At some point they are the employees (among the best paid employees on the planet) and the owners are the bosses. The pwners are trying to have a give and take and the players are trying to have a take and take.
"When I was just a baby, my momma told me "Son... always be a good boy. Don't ever play with guns." But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die..."
by nmchief on Mar 11, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Give and take.... The owners gave the recently expired CBA, and then took it back early.
Granted, that was their right by contract. But they could have had a lot more time to negotiate by just allowing the contract to run out on its own. Instead, they figured that they were in a financial position to stage a lockout, so why not rain on everybody’s parade?
"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.
Agree with this also...
Why both are to blame.
1. Why should I as a fan in St. Joe MO give a crap about "growing revenue" by having games in fucking England?
I’ll annoyingly answer that myself – Because the NFL will be using my St. Joe MO dollars to stage those games in fucking England.
I labeled that as a bullet, but it’s really all I’ve got. Except to say that I hate phrases like “growing revenue.” It is wording that has been specifically designed to make short sighted fools sound thoughtful.
"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.
Except that this isn't really between labor and management.
The NFL owners are in a true partnership with their labor because the NFL is a monopoly that should not legally exist. The players’ union literally gives permission for the NFL to exist, as exemplified by their decertification and subsequent lawsuit. The old labor vs management stereotypes do not completely apply here.
"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.
It's never a true partnership
When one side cuts checks to the other. But I agree with your point at least in part. This isn’t a standard relationship.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
It's a contractor relationship.
No one’s coerced into signing the contract. In that sense, they’re equal partners.
This signature is way better than my last one was.
In that sense, yes
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Mar 12, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Than is this like a Roofing Contractor....
Wanting to look at a homeowners financials so he can determine how much he can get away with charging.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Nice :)
After all, the contractor is taking all the physical risk
Doesn’t that mean he deserves whatever he wants?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Mar 17, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Unbelievably REC'd
Honestly, after reading that, I wanted to drive down to DC and start banging the table asking for fans to be heard. That was unreal, best article I’ve ever read on AP, and it’s not close.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
Real men of Genius
Here’s to you Roger Goodell and Demaurice Smith
Maybe they could increase the revenue by staring in the Bud Light commercials they run during halftime.
Poor Jamaal Charles
Nope i going be working at the car was… I make some more money…lol cause the lock out….
Half his tweets his talking about his lamorghini, now he’s joking about needing to get a real job. I assume “was” should be “wash”.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2011 11:03 AM CST reply actions
Looks like LJ may have influenced JC
Now that he has shown what an idiot he can be on twitter, I hope we aren’t looking at 2.7 next year.
Seriously though
I have to stop following my favourite players, they come off like such entitled, uneducated boobs on twitter.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t tweet and don’t follow anyone on Twitter, but that statement by JC is just asinine. From what I’ve learned on here, he’s becoming quite enamored with his new-found wealth. I thought more highly of him than that.
Charles DOES touch on a nice point…I wonder how many of them will enjoy their time at the car wasH or working at McD’s or for the local sewage plant.
Dude
If I was as rich as him, I’d be entitled too. Why? because rich people are entitled. He’s not 2.7, people need to chill out. Johnson was out beating up women, Charles has never shown any character flaws. Chill, its tweeter ladies…
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
Dudett
Johnson didn’t get let go from the Chiefs because of beating women. He was let go because of his stupid comments on twitter.
Chief / Running Back / Stupid Comment on Twitter = LJ = JC
Charles has never shown any character flaws. Until now.
Don’t get me wrong, I like JC and want to see him around for a long time. Acting like a jackass on twitter isn’t going to help his popularity.
You're wrong in a way
He was ultimately let go because of his tweets, but if that was his only offense he would’ve been kept. Him beating women is much bigger of an issue.
Charles didn’t show a character flaw because of that tweet. You need to chill a little bit. It’s a tweet about his bank account….
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
We'll have to agree to disagree
IMO the tweet does show a character flaw. Its a tweet about how large his bank account is and when the players are trying to garner public support, he shouldn’t be acting like an arrogant ass (even if it is on twitter).
I only follow sports writers and comedians on twitter...
Oh and some Asshat from Canada
Your 2010 Royals Review Fantasy Football Keeper League Champion
Opening Day is March 31st!!!
by averagegatsby on Mar 11, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
I found that Jenny Johnson girl from you
I like dirty mouthed woman commediennes. Thank you.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah, she is a genius.
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Opening Day is March 31st!!!
by averagegatsby on Mar 11, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Satchmo annoys, but never fails to entertain and in this post provide a catharsis.
GET A DEAL DONE YOU GREEDY PRICKS OR I WILL MAKE EVERY EFFORT IN THE WORLD TO GET SEASON TICKETS TO THE LFL! Just kidding, I will just stop paying for jerseys, memoribilia, tickets, parking, overpriced, and i mean OVERPRICED consessions and the like.
I have an awesome family, fun ass hobby and THE WILL, so that I will not patronize the NFL for a VERY, VERY long time! GET A DEAL DONE TODAY! Or DIAF!
"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
Those that wish potentially fatal diseases or other ill-fortunes on others, are the LOWEST form of trash!
On the annoying scale:
USING A LOT OF CAPITAL LETTERS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satch
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Where does excessive use of symbols to make a point rate? :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Hey if anyone on AP knows anoying it's JComp11. ;)
"It's not always going to be pretty; and that's alright..."
Those that wish potentially fatal diseases or other ill-fortunes on others, are the LOWEST form of trash!
Preach on Brotha
The point about the cheerleaders and refs and VOLUNTEERS at the concession stands is very legit. Chiefs cheerleaders are paid $50 a week. Yes, they don’t change the game, but some people stare at the cheerleaders more than they do the game.
Very Well Done!!!!
I’ve said from the start that it was both sides of blood-sucking AHoles. You did an excellent job of stating your (and our) case and this should be read to all at the negotiating table today. A REC from me and a big thanks.
By the way, the ref’s are paid very well anymore.
I'm not taking sides
But I do know if you offer me 100 million dollars to play a game for half a year, I’m pretty sure there’s no one that would pass that up. Add to that the "hold out" when they are still under contract should be a legal issue, I know if I default on a contract I end up in court and losing. Both sides are forgetting the fans, look at ticket prices now, and then think of how high they will be to cover this lockout BS, we as fans are just f#cked and we are supposed to cheer and pay even more for food, drink, and Official NFL Gear. Maybe it’s time to try to watch hockey Eh?
Is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
To the greatest chiefs fans in the world I salute you.
Chiefs Will !
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We're only screwed if we mindlessly fork over the cash.
Ultimately, we control the whole ball of wax. And this thread says that the wax is about to experience a meltdown unless they get their shite together.
This signature is way better than my last one was.
If I was a bettin man.
I would bet that not too far into the future you will be watching NFL games on pay-per-view instead of regular television. They did that with boxing and ruined the sport. When regular television can no longer afford paying the NFL, they will turn to pay-per-view over greed on both sides, further screwing the fans. When that happens, they will too, ruin pro football just like they did with boxing.
I'd prefer PPV over Sunday Ticket
I pay $59 per month (or whatever the hell it is) to watch the 14-15 games not on natinal telecasts
I’d rather pay $5 per game, it would be much cheaper then paying $200 per year to get the ability to watch Cleveland play Buffalo.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Don't think DTV would do it
No one would want Sunday Ticket if they did.
Are you really only paying $200 for Sunday ticket? I thought I paid $300 this last season.
It would be much more than $5.00 per game
Probably bare minimum $30.00 per game.
Great Job
You did a great job of summing up how full of crap both sides are without leaning either way. I tried to swear off the NFL when they began the NFL Network monopolization project. Going cold turkey wasn’t in the cards back then, but a year of life without PRO football may just get me over the hump. The endless greed sickens me. While I would like to see retired NFL players have top notch health insurance, I really don’t care about the rest of the petty bickering. THEY are the ones who played for love of the game and laid the foundation for all these prima donnas to make their millions. The retirees are the only ones that deserve better, the rest of the lot can kiss my unwiped ass. Drop prices across the board and you’ll have a lot less money to determine how to share. Done.
And yet, at the time, those now-retired players were considered lucky.
Lots of us suffer health problems for things we did to our bodies for the fun of it when we were younger. You want to reach out, but nobody is entitled to a rules re-write after the fact.
This signature is way better than my last one was.
Yeah. It's a sympatheic subject, but...
Why should they get any better/more expensive health care than old soldiers?
"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.
by Brsrkr on Mar 12, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well said
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Mar 12, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Rec Satch
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
Agree completely
I’m tired of the two sides trying to get public opinion on their side and the only thing we care about is that the damn games are played.
Millionaires arguing with Billionaires trying to get thousandaires to feel bad for them……
Give me a break.
Rec’d Satch…..glad to see you’re back.
After a lot of youtube scouting...I think Kerrigan could play OLB.
ahem
hundredaires
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
its tax time
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
56 REC's and counting
Is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
To the greatest chiefs fans in the world I salute you.
Chiefs Will !
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Pfff
I spit on 56 rec’s.
I have comments with more than that.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
REC'd
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
DTR pee'd on comments with more than that
well Tried anyway :)
"We feel very strongly that our best policy is to draft the best player. This isn't fantasy football." - Ted Thompson
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Rec'd, all the way from MHR. Well said.
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
by Troy Hufford on Mar 11, 2011 4:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
MHR rec x2
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
I say send the miller high life guy in to negotiations.
It’s sad neither side will ever get enough of their addiction , money.
The most important thing you can do in life is help other people.
Rec brotha!!!
We need BEEF; My Take on the draft by position
1. NT 2. OT 3. OLB 4.C 5a.QB 5b. C/G 7. S
by Mas Cervezas on Mar 11, 2011 5:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Best post I've read
Rec’d. Well spoken. Shame being a fan and realizing that none of that matters to the teams, the owners, or the players. Only my money and how it can be used to pad their pockets has any worth. Sad the only thing this country can agree on is greed.
2011 hopefuls: A new CBA, followed by a good draft, accented by a great season. In that order.
FANTASTIC
I couldn’t put my thoughts into words any better than this.
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http://www.chiefscommand.com
I had to log in just to rec this.
And a comment or two.
"The key to victory is not your strength, but your opponent's weakness." -T.
Well Satch...just gave you # 80....
…..I had to check out this post and see what all the ball licking was about (Craig) and I see it is justified. Well done Mr. Satch, ….thanks for being man-scaped ; )
#1 OT Gabe Carimi (Wisconsin) #4 FB Owen Marecic (Stanford)
#2 NT Jerrel "POWE" (Ole' Miss) #5 WR Greg Salas (Hawaii)
#3 G/C John Moffitt (Wisconsin) #5 ILB Mario Harvey (Marshall)
#7 C Alex Linnenkohl (Oregon State)
I hate the fact that...
I tried to do a Fanpost… and after I read yours …
(Wayne’s word Garth voice)
I’m not worthy …. I’m not worthy…
Excellent post! Good to have you back Satch!
I expect the Chiefs to have a good but unexpected draft. My thought for the First Round 2011 draft. The Chiefs Draft Ryan Mallet Qb or Julio Jones WR. DTD 2 Mar 2011
Great read Satch!
Glad to see you writing again! I love what you have to say.
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Wow you're closing in on the 100 rec club
We might have to send you to
CantonJoel’s place
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
Wow you're closing in on the 100 rec club
We might have to send you to Canton Joel’s Place
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
5 more recs
Don’t leave him hanging like this people
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
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