Is Panthers WR Steve Smith A Viable Target For Kansas City Chiefs?
Tom Curran, sportswriter for Comcast Sports Net, believes a third-round pick will be enough. He's writing concerning the Patriots possible interest, but it's worth exploring on the Chiefs behalf as well. That's because Carolina Panthers receiver Steve Smith is the target, and it fits the tendencies of Scott Pioli during his days with New England.
Pioli certainly adheres to the value of a draft pick and set a precedent with Bill Belichick for storing them like a draft pick bomb shelter was in place in New England. But he's also not averse to trading when he believes the value is there and his team has enough depth and youth in place. It's difficult to say whether Pioli feels that way about the current Chiefs roster, but if so, is a third pick warranted to grab the Panthers icon?
In years past, names like Randy Moss and Corey Dillon were snatched up with draft assets, adding a seasoned player with an extra spark in the tank to the team. The vision of a veteran longing to win before the twilight of his career can change a locker room, and after years of losing in Carolina, Smith could both address the Chiefs need at the receiver position while also providing valuable experience and passion on the field and in the locker room.
Smith will be 32 during the 2011 season (however much of it will be played), so detractors of Smith can point to age and lowered production. Last year's totals were rather pedestrian, after all, registering 46 catches for 554 yards and 2 touchdowns. But remember the Panthers won two total games for a reason. Matt Moore, Brian St. Pierre and Jimmy Clausen all posted miserable passing numbers as the Panthers quarterback options, so Smith hardly had any control of his productivity.
Perhaps a younger receiver can be had with that same third-round choice, a la Jordan Shipley from last year's draft, but we all know how volative rookie receivers can be. If it's possible that a third round draft pick is enough, it could be a chance worth taking.
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Age/regressing #'s...
I wouldn’t go higher than a 4th.
I agree with the fourth
He also has a history of injuries, and we could get a solid OLB/DE or a NT in the third round.
by chiefsfan88122 on Mar 10, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
He's only 31
…and let’s see how good Jerry Rice’s numbers would be with Matt Moore and Jimmy Claussen throwing him the rock.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 10, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
What I'm saying is, I'd go a 3rd
3rd round pick’s are crapshoots, and we know what we have with Mighty Mouse.
Steve Smith > Alex Magee
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 10, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
They can work out too
Is Steve Smith > Jamaal Charles? I don’t think so. I’d say a 5th at the most.
1st Round - NT Phil Taylor - Baylor, 2nd - OLB Sam Acho - Texas
3rd - WR Edmund Gates - Abilene Christian, 4th - OT Marcus Gilbert - Florida
5a - C Brandon Fusco - Slippery Rock, 5b - QB Ricky Stanzi - Iowa
6th? - LB Mike Mohamed - Cal, 7th - RB John Clay - Wisconsin
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Mar 10, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
S.Smith is a instant fix to our problem at WR
I’ve been saying all along we need to get a #2 WR that would be considered a threat, S.Smith would fit that mold. But then again Pioli and Co. don’t aggressively go after players and pretty much sit on their hands until the last second from what I’ve seen. Lots of good FA’s have come off the board already that would have filled a need, yet nothing has happened.
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Which lots of good FAs have the Chiefs passed on this off-season so far?
Shaun Rogers?
If Steve Smith is an instant fix, then why not just ask for Santana Moss who is a FA?
by theaxeeffect4721 on Mar 10, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
You have to ask?
Go look at the FA’s list and see what players are gone then come back ok, I’m not doing it for you.
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I was asking
because of all the guys I have seen signed so far, none of them looked like they would have helped the Chiefs. So tell me who you view as who would have helped the Chiefs since I am missing it.
by theaxeeffect4721 on Mar 10, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
You're the one making the argument.
So it’s incumbent upon you to back that argument up. Surely if you’re that upset about losing all these FAs, the names should just roll off your tongue.
Resign ≠ Re-sign
Several of the players i liked have been Tagged.
L.Sendlein C would be a good pick up and is only 27.
J.Anderson OLB is another guy i like and he’s only 27
A.Franklin NT is 31 but would be a upgrade over what we have now, and B.Cofield might be able to play NT as well, he’s good against the run. At WR you have in no certain order both S.Smiths, M-Sims. Walker,L.Moore, S.Breaston, S.Moss, and S.Rice.
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So you like all players who were never available to the Chiefs anyway?
Only players who were cut from their current contract were players the Chiefs could even talk to. The rest will have to wait for the next CBA.
So if you’re going to complain about who the Chiefs missed out on, you should limit it to unrestricted free agents, and not players on your wish list who can’t even talk to other teams yet.
Resign ≠ Re-sign
I'm just going by the FA list here:
http://www.walterfootball.com/freeagents.php
I was only going by that and didn’t know anything more about the players than what they showed. If i knew we couldn’t have talked to them i wouldn’t have brought them up. So please excuse my insult to your intelligents and my ignorance to the facts, if you can.
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I didn't mean it like that.
I was just saying it’s unfair to blame them for something out of their control.
Resign ≠ Re-sign
Not sure what you're seeing
Shaun Rogers? meh wouldn’t have been an ok pickup.
Bob Sanders? meh.
Atogwe? Too pricey.
Marcus Stroud? nah.
Not really seeing much else.
by KillaCity107 on Mar 10, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Also
Moeaki> Smith (right now, not overall)
by chiefsfan88122 on Mar 10, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
S.Smiths numbers have fallen off because of the Quality of QB’s in Carolina. Yeah he’s been injured because it was a one man show for years and he did it all, even across the middle of the field.
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by CPT.Caveman on Mar 10, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
I was literally going to write a post about Smith yesterday
Based off something I saw on mockingthedraft.com, but didn’t get around to it. Weird
I like Steve Smith, but I don’t know if I see too much of a difference with him and Santana Moss in terms of what they could offer our team; and we could get Moss without giving up a draft pick. I think Smith is more physical and a little better route runner, but they both accel at the deeper routes.
If Smith could be had for a lower pick, 3rd round at max, then maybe, but if we can get Moss for much less, contract wise, then I’d go that direction
With the 21st pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select:
-Torrey Smith, WR Maryland - Akeem Ayers, LB UCLA
-Phil Taylor, NT Baylor - Stefen Wisnieski, C Penn St.
I'll take it!
Moss is older, and seems to have lost a step.
I’d be all for a #4 for Carolina Steve Smith, esp. since NYG Smith will (likely) not be available.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Mar 10, 2011 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
IMO...He is the wrong Smith.
#1 OT Gabe Carimi (Wisconsin) #4 FB Owen Marecic (Stanford)
#2 NT Jerrel "POWE" (Ole' Miss) #5 WR Greg Salas (Hawaii)
#3 G/C John Moffitt (Wisconsin) #5 ILB Mario Harvey (Marshall)
#7 C Alex Linnenkohl (Oregon State)
Wrong Steve Smith?
The other is likely to be restricted, no?
I also remember reading that he was ‘promised’ a contract with NYG. We’ll see, but I don’t think Chiefs fans should hold their breathe over landing any 4th year FA.
Agreed
With the 21st pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select:
-Torrey Smith, WR Maryland - Akeem Ayers, LB UCLA
-Phil Taylor, NT Baylor - Stefen Wisnieski, C Penn St.
I'll take it!
My thoughts exactly.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Mar 10, 2011 11:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Any other year maybe, but...
The WR free agent pool is just too deep. Breaston, S. Moss, the other Steve Smith, James Jones, T.O. (just kidding) are all available. I think we gotta grab one of those and hold on to our draft picks.
by The Other Patrick Allen on Mar 10, 2011 11:24 AM CST reply actions
Word in charlotte is that smith’s slip is due to other factors. Poor qb play and no viable second third or fourth receiving option are constantly mentioned. Im more concerned about character…he has fought members of his.own team several times.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Mar 10, 2011 11:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions
So has Shaun Smith
Maybe it’s a “Smith” thing, punching your own teammate :-)
With the 21st pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select:
-Torrey Smith, WR Maryland - Akeem Ayers, LB UCLA
-Phil Taylor, NT Baylor - Stefen Wisnieski, C Penn St.
I'll take it!
Guys fight all the time.
It’s just that most of the time we don’t hear about it.
Steve Smith has expressed his disgust at being on such a poor team. Not the talent, but the maturity, work-ethic, and discipline of his fellow teammates is what he seems to harp on.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
That's been a non-issue for several years now.
His fights always seemed to be about players not taking the game/practice/film time as seriously as him. Didn’t he HAVE to get counseling for that, or else be out of the league? (05-04, sometime in there).
Seems like this has been a nonissue for the last half decade…Besides, on a Haley team passion for the game is an advantage. If the anger mgmt issues are settled as they seem…a fourth rounder is perfect.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Mar 10, 2011 11:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
not saying he's a bad fit
but he has a history. He broke Ken Lucas’ nose when he sucker punched him on the sidelines during training camp. His own team fined him and gave him a 2 game suspension. A few years earlier he went after a guy during a film room session. That guy sued Smith (lawsuit dropped later, wonder why $$). Fights on the field are one thing, Fights off the field without helmets is another.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Mar 10, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Both instances were when Smith had enough of a guy not taking his job seriously.
Smith is probably the smallest “enforcer” in the entire NFL.
As someone who watches the Panthers pretty regularly, there was a clear improvement in Ken Lucas after the “sucker punch”.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, for a 3rd
We don’t need him to be a superstar. We need him to be a sure-handed, reliable target that can prevent teams from centering on Bowe.
I will say that we should also draft a WR in the late rounds to go with the acquisition of Smith.
Also, let’s not forget that Carolina has had all sorts of troubles in the passing game. They have QB and OL issues as well as lack of depth at WR. Smith probably has a good 3 years left in his tank, and I really only think we need him for 1.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
I'd consider for a 5th round pick
like Santonio Holmes and others were traded in the last couple years
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
I agree
he’s older than those players and might not be as good anymore. We have two 5th round picks. If we could get him for that then go for it.
1st Round - NT Phil Taylor - Baylor, 2nd - OLB Sam Acho - Texas
3rd - WR Edmund Gates - Abilene Christian, 4th - OT Marcus Gilbert - Florida
5a - C Brandon Fusco - Slippery Rock, 5b - QB Ricky Stanzi - Iowa
6th? - LB Mike Mohamed - Cal, 7th - RB John Clay - Wisconsin
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Mar 10, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
3rd round pick > Steve Smith
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
Could be a G or LB of the future.
One round too high for me, too.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Mar 10, 2011 11:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Other side of the coin
That draft pick could be a bust.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Not worth any picks
He is trouble. Too much of a hothead and caused too many fights. No way he is part of the “Right 53.”
by Skrappy on Mar 10, 2011 11:42 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
There is no one on the Chiefs roster who has punched a teamate or pushed a coach.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 10, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Defensive linemen are exempt from the Right 53 requirements
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
Apparently offensive linemen are exempt too
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...
by kcchiefsfan72 on Mar 10, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Easy with those facts, Craig. Could get you in trouble ;)
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Mar 10, 2011 11:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
not true
Barry Richardson did push our o-line coach just last season.
Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
by Pollard49 on Mar 10, 2011 12:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Shaun Smith did punch Brady Quinn as well.... :)
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Probably been a couple others.
BUT, the big one was with Lucas, and it was because he thought Lucas was half-assing it. Call me crazy, but I like a guy who will call out (or knock some sense into) players that don’t take their jobs seriously.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
And still man enough to go and apologize to him and the team
People make mistakes, shit happens. Dude wants to win and will go get the ball at all costs, we could use that in that position
eh... a 4th
I’d say a 3rd if I thought we were a SB contender with him next year. But we’re not, and at his age it’s only going downhill from here.
A 4th… well, that round is even more of a crapshoot, so sure.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
The more I think about it
The more I think a 3rd might be ok. Smith really takes care of his body and definitely is a student of the game. Look at some of the other wideouts that have been productive late into their careers that were that way. e.g. T.O. & Moss. They may have been headaches but you can’t deny their production into their late 30’s. He’ll only be 32 at the starting the season (hopefully). Why not trade him and sign him to a 3 year deal with the option for the 4th or maybe even a 4 year deal with the option for a 5th and see if he can’t do the same. A younger player in the draft is a must but the need to take one so early will be far less if that were the case.
1st Round - NT Phil Taylor - Baylor, 2nd - OLB Sam Acho - Texas
3rd - WR Edmund Gates - Abilene Christian, 4th - OT Marcus Gilbert - Florida
5a - C Brandon Fusco - Slippery Rock, 5b - QB Ricky Stanzi - Iowa
6th? - LB Mike Mohamed - Cal, 7th - RB John Clay - Wisconsin
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Mar 10, 2011 12:00 PM CST reply actions
I wasn't even thinkin about that either
If the Chiefs drop back a few spots and pick up a 3rd in the process and still get the player they want/an impact player in the 1st, then they could spare that extra 3rd for him. That would be very acceptable.
1st Round - NT Phil Taylor - Baylor, 2nd - OLB Sam Acho - Texas
3rd - WR Edmund Gates - Abilene Christian, 4th - OT Marcus Gilbert - Florida
5a - C Brandon Fusco - Slippery Rock, 5b - QB Ricky Stanzi - Iowa
6th? - LB Mike Mohamed - Cal, 7th - RB John Clay - Wisconsin
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Mar 10, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I was thinking
Because since coming here it’s been impossible for him to try and trade outta the top 5. Now he’s in his “comfort zone”(if that makes sense) and alot easier to deal. People wanting to jump back in and grab the guy that fell, anything. What could you get for our 1rst? 2 2’s and a 3rd? 2 2’s and 2 3’s?
Maybe even with the Patriots
Obviously Pioli is good with them and they have a plethora of picks. Maybe they do decide to move up for once and get someone who slipped a bit that they like. I’d say our 1st for their 1st and the later 2nd would be a fairly equal deal. I like it!
1st Round - NT Phil Taylor - Baylor, 2nd - OLB Sam Acho - Texas
3rd - WR Edmund Gates - Abilene Christian, 4th - OT Marcus Gilbert - Florida
5a - C Brandon Fusco - Slippery Rock, 5b - QB Ricky Stanzi - Iowa
6th? - LB Mike Mohamed - Cal, 7th - RB John Clay - Wisconsin
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Mar 10, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
their 28th and 60th pick for the Chiefs 1st is what I meant.
1st Round - NT Phil Taylor - Baylor, 2nd - OLB Sam Acho - Texas
3rd - WR Edmund Gates - Abilene Christian, 4th - OT Marcus Gilbert - Florida
5a - C Brandon Fusco - Slippery Rock, 5b - QB Ricky Stanzi - Iowa
6th? - LB Mike Mohamed - Cal, 7th - RB John Clay - Wisconsin
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Mar 10, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
I'd do it
I do see Pioli doing some major wheeling and dealing to load up on picks this year. And that would be super!
Boooo loading up on picks
Nothing good has ever come from stockpiling picks except for having a roster full of midround rookies with no where to play them. Grab the best player on the board, and move on.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 10, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
He comes from a place where that worked out pretty damn well for em
Not saying stockpile for next year, or even pass on someone very good we need. If we can move a few spots back, still take a player on our board and be able to add 1-2 more players. Like someone with top picks in the 2nd itching to jump back in the 1rst, switch w them, add that top pick in the 2nd and some extras, not a bad deal.
by KCinIL on Mar 10, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Has it?
How many Superbowls have the Patriots won since they started moving all over the board?
Go ahead and take a look, you’ll be suprised.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 10, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
How many shots do they have at it?
Almost every year, because of strategies like that.
by KCinIL on Mar 10, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
3 SB's taking BPA
0 SB’s wheeling and dealing draft picks.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 10, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
So because they haven't won a SB
It’s not a good strategy?
by KCinIL on Mar 10, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ugg
I’m convinced you’d argue with me if I said the world was round, so I’m just going to stop commenting for a while.
I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total fricking rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain.
by craig in calgary on Mar 10, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You see the "?"
That’s me actually asking, not aruging. I remember those teams being veteran heavy, picking up veteran free agents, I don’t remember them drafting the BPA and then them winning the SBs.
I think it is a legit argument though
They may not have won any since but they have at least been to one more and been to the playoffs roughly every year since and at least a couple AFC championship games. I don’t know if you can just say that a slight shift in draft strategy is the reason they haven’t won another super bowl.
1st Round - NT Phil Taylor - Baylor, 2nd - OLB Sam Acho - Texas
3rd - WR Edmund Gates - Abilene Christian, 4th - OT Marcus Gilbert - Florida
5a - C Brandon Fusco - Slippery Rock, 5b - QB Ricky Stanzi - Iowa
6th? - LB Mike Mohamed - Cal, 7th - RB John Clay - Wisconsin
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Mar 10, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
They gotta handful of picks in the top 60 or something
This year if I’m not mistaken. After going to the divisional round last year. I don’t see how thats a bad thing. They’re geared up for another shot at the SB.
The thing is too....
That they don’t necessarily stock up picks either. They give themselves maneuverability in the draft. Then don’t always just trade down for more picks and stockpile. They get those picks and can use them to move back up to where they see fit and get the players they actually want that way instead of always just sitting there and taking whats available.
1st Round - NT Phil Taylor - Baylor, 2nd - OLB Sam Acho - Texas
3rd - WR Edmund Gates - Abilene Christian, 4th - OT Marcus Gilbert - Florida
5a - C Brandon Fusco - Slippery Rock, 5b - QB Ricky Stanzi - Iowa
6th? - LB Mike Mohamed - Cal, 7th - RB John Clay - Wisconsin
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Mar 10, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
Don’t see how basing SB wins determines if you’re a good team. I guess theres 31 bad teams every year.
I know it's cliche and played-out, but
If you’re not first, you’re last.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Not that I necessarily agree that we shouldn't trade picks
Just saying that there is some credibility to basing our strategy off the NE teams that did win the SB.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
^^^ this
That’s how they always have quality depth. Some positions suffer but as a team their level of ability is always amazing.
by KillaCity107 on Mar 10, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe not loading up
But dropping down just a few spots and acquiring and extra 2nd or 3rd and using that to trade for a proven player would be just fine. Thats more what I was getting at.
1st Round - NT Phil Taylor - Baylor, 2nd - OLB Sam Acho - Texas
3rd - WR Edmund Gates - Abilene Christian, 4th - OT Marcus Gilbert - Florida
5a - C Brandon Fusco - Slippery Rock, 5b - QB Ricky Stanzi - Iowa
6th? - LB Mike Mohamed - Cal, 7th - RB John Clay - Wisconsin
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Mar 10, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely should be
Dude’s a winner plain and simple. He’s a hothead at times but that only comes from desire to win in my opinion. He’s been the only option on a bad passing team and has always produced. With Bowe sucking up coverage, a 2nd playmaking WR would enhance our offense immensely.
He's really never had anyone around him worth a damn
He had Keyshawn one year when he was old and degrading… then what? Has never had a good TE or another good WR playing along with him. He’s had mediocre QB’s throwing to him. At best, he’s had a great run game the last few years to draw some heat.
He may be getting older, but if he can stay healthy I think he has plenty of gas in the tank.
I’d love to see him on the field with Bowe, Moeaki, Charles, McCluster, etc. Let me put it this way – I don’t see a whole lot of “downside” here, other than sacrificing a draft pick.
by Ochophosphate on Mar 10, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Muhsin Muhammad
That’s the guy Steve Smith always loved having on the team opposite of him.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
I stand corrected...
but if I remember correctly – those were also his best years in Carolina.
by Ochophosphate on Mar 10, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Some of his best years were....
when Muhsin Muhammed (I didn’t feel like checking the spelling on his name) was there.
1st Round - NT Phil Taylor - Baylor, 2nd - OLB Sam Acho - Texas
3rd - WR Edmund Gates - Abilene Christian, 4th - OT Marcus Gilbert - Florida
5a - C Brandon Fusco - Slippery Rock, 5b - QB Ricky Stanzi - Iowa
6th? - LB Mike Mohamed - Cal, 7th - RB John Clay - Wisconsin
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Mar 10, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think he's the right type of receiver for the Chiefs
When he was healthy, he was always a long bomb type of target and Delhomme could always manage to find him deep. I think we already have a deep threat in Bowe. Yes, Smith has great hands and is a great receiver but I don’t see him as a viable #2 receiver opposite Bowe. We need a guy like Breaston. Here’s a bit on him:
“Breaston had a breakout year in 2008. Following a serious injury to perennial Pro Bowl receiver Anquan Boldin, Breaston was inserted into the Cardinals’ starting line-up at wide receiver. Breaston notably refused to participate in pre-game introductions at home games due to his opinion that he was still a backup, keeping a seat warm for the usual starter Anquan Boldin. Breaston finished the year with 1,006 yards, and he, Boldin, and Larry Fitzgerald became the fifth 1,000 yard receiving trio in NFL history.”
I love the fact that he had so much respect for Boldin that he would sit for introductions. Seems like he has great character which is something Pioli loves. Unfortunately, he’s first round RFA tender material and we’re not giving up our first rounder for him. But I think he’s a prototypical #2 WR while Steve Smith is not.
"Gonna gallop all over the Chiefs. Cleat prints on the chests. Mud in the face masks." - 2.7* *Yes I know it was changed to 2.9 but f*ck the statisticians.
by Kristospherein on Mar 10, 2011 12:09 PM CST reply actions
Yes, for a 1st
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
What about Sidney Rice?
Does anyone know his status or have an opinion about going after him?
by chiefsfan88122 on Mar 10, 2011 12:17 PM CST reply actions
the Chiefs are building with youth..
Steve Smith might play in the league for 3 more years. A 4th rounder could be a starting guard for many years. A 5th rounder could get Dwayne Harris..
The Chiefs got a starting safety with last years 5th rounder. We don’t need another Chris Chambers..
Chambers has never been on the same level as Steve Smith
1st Round - NT Phil Taylor - Baylor, 2nd - OLB Sam Acho - Texas
3rd - WR Edmund Gates - Abilene Christian, 4th - OT Marcus Gilbert - Florida
5a - C Brandon Fusco - Slippery Rock, 5b - QB Ricky Stanzi - Iowa
6th? - LB Mike Mohamed - Cal, 7th - RB John Clay - Wisconsin
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Mar 10, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
ok..Johnnie Morton
Aging and declining veterans, which walking into Arrowhead and over paying them will magically rejuvenate careers…
I think he's still got something
Hasn’t had a QB worth a damn lately and nobody on the other side to take some of the coverage off him. Great hands and can catch it across the middle, I think it would be an upgrade.
Don't get me wrong
If he was a free agent, I would be all for it. But I wouldn’t give up a draft pick.
We traded Page, a 26 year old, starting safety. (Granted he was a 7th round pick)..but still.. I believe we are only getting a 7th round pick next year..
go after Donte Stallworth; looks like the Ravens are not resigning him; he made mistakes but took them like a man. He took a felony because he thought it was the morally right thing to do. IMO
He took a felony for DUI Manslaughter.
If he was a regular person, he’d still be in jail. They could have thrown the book at him. 30 DAYS?!! There was absolutely NOTHING moral about what Stallworth did.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 11, 2011 8:11 AM CST up reply actions
actually..
His lawyers thought they could have gotten him off. There were other issues the public weren’t aware of..He didn’t want off easy..AGAINST his lawyers wishes.
that’s why he was awarded the Ed Block Courage award from his peers..
Don’t get me wrong I do not condone what he did. It absolutely disgusts me. But he could have fought it, but he chose not to.
Romeo was his head coach when it happened ..so.
Romeos not his babysitter
And he shouldn’t have fought it, what’s there to fight? He drank, drove, killed some guy coming home from the night shift, end of story. We would all still be in jail. Plus he’s just not a good WR =)
Last year's draft was hardly a common occurance for the NFL.
We shouldn’t be expecting anything similar to that.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Would rather take an interior lineman with that pick...
and let Verran Tucker have a legit shot at the #2 spot.
I don’t comment on this site for the people that are against me and think that I can’t do it. I comment for the people that have always believed in me. I comment for my family, for my wife, for my mother so it really comes down to that.
Yuck...Verran Tucker at #2
But I agree, OL depth would be more beneficial with that pick. I would rather have just about any of the other available WRs than this guy.
by KillaCity107 on Mar 10, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know about letting Tucker having the #2 spot...
I believe he needs some competition of sorts… Verran Tucker does have great hands, the only problem that I see with him is him not having a presence of where he is on the field. Tooooo often he caught balls out of bounds that could easily of been a completed pass. Specifically the Baltimore game. He makes that catch in the 1st half and its a completely different ballgame. I think that in a couple more years he could be our guy that stretches the field.
So ya… I agree take a lineman with the 3rd and get our line solid. Let Tucker continue to develop, and maybe take another shot at a WR in the draft.
Go Chiefs!!!!
If we're considering washed up Carolina receivers...
can we make a run at Rae Carruth?
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Not for another 5-10 I believe.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bring him on board
a solid Vet to go along with Bowe, Moeaki, and McCluster=Dirty!!
Going to be hard for me to mock Shane Vereen in the 3rd round if we dont have a 3rd round pick.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
No
Just not likely a game changer any more, so what’s the benefit over drafting someone with that pick or getting a free agent?
5th, maybe a 4th.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 10, 2011 1:35 PM CST reply actions
Many Chiefs fans wanted Bolden last year, so how is Smith worth less?
Smith > Bolden. Third round picks are great, but are often overvalued. Trading a third round pick for a proven receiver is a good trade. Besides, as far as character concerns, the Chiefs have Todd Haley who would work with Smith and not take any shenanigans.
easy
Boldin was 29 and coming off back to back 1000 yard seasons when traded.
Smith is 31 (will be 32 before the season starts) and is declining with back-to-back sub-1000 yard seasons.
Now, obviously Smith’s team was a mess last year, so you can’t completely blame him for his mere 550 yards, but still, there’s a difference.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 10, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Steve Smith from 2005 to 2009
Like you said, the team was a mess last year. But when they weren’t he’s been absolutely solid. Definitely acceptable numbers for a guy who would be our #2.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not opposed to it
but the guy is 31, undersized and injury prone. We already have a younger version of him on the team in McCluster. In fact, he started out as a KR/PR his first couple years in the league just like McCluster. The guy relies on his speed and at his age the wheels should be falling off soon. On the other hand he is also a certified playmaker and when healthy he’s one of the best receivers in the league. His character has to be a bit of a concern though. I’ll just trust Pioli on this one.
...from that statement
I’m starting to have visions of Bowe/McCluster hopefully turning into the next Mushin Muhammed/Steve Smith combo.
Which is why I like Steve Smith in KC.
If you want a guy to be similar to another player, why not bring in that guy to teach him how?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
If he was a FA it'd be one thing.
Giving up a 3rd round pick is a bit riskier. Imagine the speed the Chiefs would have on offense next season though between Smith, McCluster and Charles. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. Bowe and Smith would be a hell of a tandem. Smith had his best years playing alongside Muhammad who has some similarities to Bowe when he was in his prime.
I wouldnt mind Steve Smith for a 3rd unless we passed up on a jamaal charles
which is very unlikely. I would rather Sidney Rice, Steve Breaston, James Jones, ect.
No Thanks
Steve Smith sits at the bottom of last year’s class of receivers with a minimum of 50 passes
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr2010
Think it’s a one year event? Year before he still had negative DYAR:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr2009
Following the Chiefs more than I should be between late nights at a social networking software start up.
Negative DVOA
And read into the stats more. It was because the ball was thrown to him 128 times. That includes all of those uncatchable balls that Matt Moore and Jake Delhomme were putting up.
Eyeball test is a lot more important than all the wacked out stats Football Outsiders come up with. And Steve Smith passes that almost every time.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'd trade a 3rd for Steve Smith from NYG
not for Steve Smith from CAR. 32 and next to no production over the past couple years does not merit the worth of a 3rd IMO.
Hearing about the NFL CBA is like stepping on a turd. It stinks everytime. - Me
2009 - 982 yds 7 TDs in 15 games
Last year was his only off year since 2004, and look what he had to work with. That was a terrible team across the board. No QB help. No O-line help. No WR help.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Mar 10, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
well this 3rd or 4th rd pick would be for 2012, would it not? I thought there was no trading players for picks because of no CBA?
If we assume that a new CBA is agreed upon before the draft it would be one thing, or would it? Even with a new CBA, would they allow trades for 2011 draft picks?
Anyway, I have a feeling that a trade for Smith involving a draft pick would end up being a conditional pick….perhaps ranging from maybe 3rd-5th.
Scott Pioli for President in 2012. Experience? If the current President doesn't need it, why does Pioli? Besides, Pioli has the blue collar work ethic with a white collar brain. He has humility. He is tough on security. He supports war on Sundays. And he makes sound, fiscally conservative decisions.
No more old players !!!
I know hes only 30 but we want rookies, We are following that mold now.
No more overprice free agents that are used up and traded, Just fresh young moldable talent to develop.
I would be all over signing Steve Smith.
He still has the ability, and he has never had a coach like Haley. Can you imagine us getting “the best” out of Steve Smith? My biggest concern would could he stay healthy, but I think that he would be ok.
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