Building the Perfect Beast
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 7, 2011 10:19 PM CST
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The Chiefs vs the Packers, I think that was the 2002-3 pre-season favorites a number of years ago.
Using the existing team depth Charts how do we compare?
Offense
Greg Jennings > Chris Chambers - not even a competition in 2010
Chad Clifton > Branden Albert - Clifton was a 2010 Pro Bowl selection and a 34 year old Bull
Brian Waters > Daryn Colledge - Waters was a 2010 Pro Bowl selection and a 34 year old Bull
Casey Weigmann > Scott Wells - Weigmann is long in the tooth, but still has a bite
Josh Sitton > Ryan Lilja - Lilja has a Super Bowl ring and now Sitton does to
Bryan Bulaga > Barry Richardson - Both have room to grow, Bulaga has more upside
Jeremiah Finley > Tony Moeaki - Finley edges the rookie for now
Dwayne Bowe > Donald Driver - Driver is the Superior WR but is now sliding with age
Korey Hall > Tim Castille - The Chiefs alternating FB roster spot is a joke
Jamaal Charles > Brandon Foster or Ryan Grant
The Chiefs and the Packers offensively are very similar in stats. Green Bay was 9th in offense the Chiefs were 12th. YPG Packers 358 and KC 350. The Packers converted 42% of third downs the Chiefs 37%, definitely an area to work on in 2011.
Defense
Ryan Pickett > Tyson Jackson - maybe Tyson can eventually live up to the 3rd overall
Glenn Dorsey > Cullen Jenkins - Dorsey is better than an UDFA
Clay Mathews vs Tamba Hali - Not calling this one :)
Derrick Johnson vs A.J. Hawk - again not calling this one
Desmond Bishop > Jovan Belcher
Mike Vrabel > Erik Walden - Vrable is on the slide now but still Knows what he should do
Charles Woodson vs Brandon Flowers
Tramon Williams > Brandon Carr
Eric Berry > Charlie Peprah - Berry is a very promising rookie
Nick Collins > Jon McGraw, and the youngster Kendrick Lewis - Lewis might eventually reverse this arrow
The Chiefs Defense is not up to the standards of the Green Bay Packers. The Packers defense ranks 5th in the NFL with 309 yards per game allowed. The Kansas City Chiefs defense ranked 14th and allowed 330 YPG.The Packers defense allowed 15 PPG, the Chiefs 20.4 PPG. Other than those stats, we are close on 3rd down pct allowed, turnovers forced. The Packers created 9 more sacks in 2010.
Special teams
Mason Crosby vs Ryan Succop
Javier Arenas > Tramon Williams
Dexter McCluster > Sam Shields
Well the cupboard is not bare for the Chiefs, yet if the Packers continue to outdraft us and out perform us on the field it will be a tough team to catch. We get to go man on man in 2011 in Kansas City against the World Champs.
Go Chiefs
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I was thinking the same thing last night
That team is really deep and it got there seemingly under our noses. I think we are on our way, but still at least two drafts away. Not sure about the Carr rating. I think he has proven enough to get the w.
Just keep Romeo! Tie him down or something...
I was checking on Tramon as the punt returner
he had 6 interceptions this year as a CB to Carr’s 1. I reversed it to Tramons favor
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by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 7, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
Nice
I was thinking about our comparisons to the Packers…
One big huge diference is at QB! Cassel is not even in the same league as Rodgers, well technically he is but u know ;)
Colin Cowherd keeps saying this is a QB driven league and now I’m coming around to agree with him. I’m a big defensive guy and love a great defense but the NFL rules and regulations allow for the offense to be dominate. Defenses have no authority on the field anymore.
So with that being said maybe we do need to stock up on offense.
I love Cassel now and have been sold on him this season but after watching Rodgers, maybe Cassel isn’t good enough to WIN us a Super Bowl….
So many questions….I don’t even know where to begin.
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 7, 2011 10:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
This is a good place to start
So many questions….I don’t even know where to begin.
Questions lead to the right questions and even better answers
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by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 7, 2011 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
We got Jamal Charles. Matt Cassel can win with him in the backfield.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Feb 7, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
We need some more help then
Matt or Jon referenced this last week. We can build the whole offense up around Cassel or we can upgrade the QB to make the players around the QB better. I am not averse to the second. We have no QB’s other than Cassel now. He could be 1st string or 2nd string and it will make the Chiefs better
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by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 7, 2011 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
If T.Dilfer can win a Super-Bowl, anyone can, nuff said.
Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.
Dilfer won with dominating defenses
not defenses that were “pretty good” or full of players that everyone thought had potential.
So basically the Pack is better than us in just about every department
Good thing we’re still on the upswing, trying to get to where the Pack is right now. Remember, we’re still rebuilding. Trust the Don
"Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical"
-Yogi Berra
I don't mean that to be smart assish by the way. I do see your point
The Packers are a very good team, and a team that we should definitely try to emulate
"Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical"
-Yogi Berra
We have some better players
and we have some equivalent players. The Packers have a year or two more progress on their rebuilding effort. Hunt, Pioli, and Haley know what a good team looks like. Hence some of the roster churn and 53 guys of the street crap we saw in 2009. 2010 saw less churn and a Division Championship. More pieces in 2011 and better competition will move this train forward
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by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 7, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
Packers never really had to "rebuild"
The year after Brett left, they took a step back, but that was some growing pains from a young QB….the talent was still there. Packers are rediculiouly deep and I still can’t believe they won the SB with all the injuries they had.
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by craig in calgary on Feb 7, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yes they took astep back, then started fixing their defense.
IMO that made the difference, and that’s what got them a S.B win.
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I'm assuming the 'vs.' denotes equivalent players
There’s one that really stands out to me, and that’s Woodson vs Flowers. Athleticly there my be some comparisons there, but Woodson provides a whole lot more in the way of football IQ and leadership. This matchup kind of magnifies a bigger problem that we have on our defense in that we really don’t have that passionate leader that those other 10 guys are going to rally around and play FOR. A big piece of the puzzle, imo.
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It's Jermichael, not Jerimiah Findlay
Biggest difference is, they have a more dominant front 7, didn’t completely whiff on the 2009 draft, more playmakers at WR and a way better QB.
We obviously have a much better running game and probably a better seconday.
The biggest difference though, is they got hot at the right time. They were once 8-6 and on the outside looking in and got hot at the best possible time. I heard today that since they were 8-6 they never once were losing in the 2nd half of the next 6 games.
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by craig in calgary on Feb 7, 2011 10:55 PM CST reply actions
To reiterate
I’m not sure the best team won, but the hottest and probably the deepest sure did.
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by craig in calgary on Feb 7, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
The Steelers are a… pretty much dominant team.
I was picking the Packers to win based on the fact that if Aaron Rogers gets hot…. it’s over.
Dude is just too accurate and his recievers are too talented.
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If you look at the Steelers strength it's to consistantly stop the run.... which the Pack consistantly fail to do.
It puts all the pressure on the Pitt secondary and they are decent but not good enough to shut down GB’s passing game.
Then late in the game McCarthey starts running and dink and dunking the ball and the Steelers we confused….
Impressive that GB hung that kind of offensive output on one of the / if not the best defense in the leauge.
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Sorry on Jermicheal
I think the biggest difference between the 2010 Packers and the rest of the League (comparable to the NY Giants run maybe) They liked and melded together as a team.
Teams win Super Bowls. There was some talk of a Saturday night songfest by the Packers. They seem to enjoy being a team, it showed on Sunday
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by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 7, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Meh
If Matt Cassel was clearly better than Aaron Rogers, everyone would still want him to be Aaron Rogers because Aaron Rogers “can win a Superbowl”.
Vaguely speaking, Chiefs need to do two things in particular.
1) Quit punting so much
For being a team that got a ton of 1st downs and has a “risky” HC, we punted a ton. That seems to indicate we have a problem converting 3rd down. Having one or two completely useless players on the field at any time isn’t helping here. Time for a second legitimate WR or a FB that’s actually involved in plays.
2) Return kicks better
Quit trying to block punts and focus on returning the ball. God knows we have enough fast guys that this shouldn’t even be an issue, but it seems like it’s too much to ask that we have even deep blockers on a kick. The combination of McCluster, Arenas, and Berry should yield us way more than 10.whatever yards per return.
Can't disagree on either point
useless players with useless plays equals waste. We don’t convert 3rd downs and we have useless offensive drives and waste whatever Mo the D can generate.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 7, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
We have to get another threat at WR, and it can’t some guy we draft in the later rounds. Whoever it is he has to command to respect of the opposing defense to pull the double off of Bowe. We also need a hands guy at the Slot position someone other than McCluster, someone like L.Moore. The keys to our offense improving next year is improving our WR core and our o-line core.
Trading down and drafting Hankerson would be ok with me as well, and maybe even drafting someone like S.Havili at FB.
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well, AMEN backwards is NEMA and that's close to ...
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Hate to nitpick...
but, Josh Sitton > Ryan Lilja without a doubt. He was probably top 5 at his position this year.
Thanks IBR
I will adjust that, since I got that over at mockingthedraft too :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 7, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Steve
Just got back from MHR the Broncos are going back to the 4-3 on “D”. I hope our coaching staff looks over our record and realizes that the Chiefs had problem with that defense and adjusts their thinking about what type or size of o-line guy we need.
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B.Albert, B.Waters, J.Asamoah, M.Pouncey, M.Gilbert
Lilja is a beast still at his old age
I think PFF had him ranked #2 run blocking in the entire NFL at his position. That isn’t bad.
Jamaal Charles and Tamba Hali...Enough said.
I don't think Lilja is old, he just small.
I can’t count the times i saw him and Casey being pushed back in the pocket this year. Lilja is a damn good ZBS run blocker, but the reason the Colts let him go was his pass blocking skills and Manning bitching about not having a pocket to step up into. Don’t quote me on that last statement ok.
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actually, from what I remember
the Colts let him go because he was far better in pass pro than run blocking, and they wanted to get bigger.
Lilja had a great season overall,
Prediction: KC will not draft a LB before the 3rd round
Why does everyone say Lilja is old?
Isn’t he like 31? He’s younger than me for heavens to murgatroid.
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by craig in calgary on Feb 8, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
Lilja is 29
Yeah not sure why people are calling him old. But like someone said, Lilja played well this season but Sitton was much better.
by theaxeeffect4721 on Feb 8, 2011 12:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
In football years on the line that is old so you would be
eldery if you were on the line :P
Jamaal Charles and Tamba Hali...Enough said.
Some say that if you do not have a franchise QB
Draft one.
If you have a Franchise QB, I would think you need Franchise Tackles.
Green Bay took Brian Bulaga, many thought the Chiefs should have picked Bulaga.
I am very happy with Eric Berry, it might be time to pay the piper and draft that Tackle
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Bulaga was drafted as a RT, as he should have been
5th overall is waaaaaay too high to draft a RT. Between the two, Berry was the right choice.
Bulaga also had a terrible year
Really I can’t blame them for passing on Bulaga and Okung. If Pioli wanted to draft an OT, he would have grabbed Eugene Monroe over Tyson Jackson
by theaxeeffect4721 on Feb 8, 2011 12:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd take Mason Crosby over Succup
These kind of things are always fun Steve…
Toddd Haley ? Mike McCarthy, hmmmmm well you would think that because Mike McCarthy just won the Super Bowl that you would have to take him…..
Thing is the man that just won a Super Bowl did it by doing exactly what Todd Haley is thinking about doing having an OC in Bill Muir be his both clown.
Mike McCarthy no OC in 2006. 2007 Joe Phillbin is promoted from OL coach to dummy in the plays for Mike as OC.
It seems pretty similar if you ask me. Who is a better play caller 2005’s MCarthy or 2008’s Haley? Id take Haley, but everyone knows where my loyalty lies.
The Kansas City Chiefs are following an interesting trend.
2009 Saints Super Bowl winning coach called his own plays
2010 Packers Super Bowl winning coach called his own plays
2011 Chiefs Super Bowl winning coach called his own plays
Took Sean Payton four years, it took Mike McCarthy 5 years, I think Haley can do it in 3. Who’s coming with me?
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 8, 2011 12:08 AM CST reply actions
Funny thing is
If you look at some of the post game day threads on acme packing company, a lot of those guys called McCarthy a bad coach and it was the talent winning the games despite him. Oh the comparisons
by theaxeeffect4721 on Feb 8, 2011 12:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
next year it will not be Haley ... sorry, I can't go there with ya
2009 Saints Super Bowl winning coach called his own plays
2010 Packers Super Bowl winning coach called his own plays
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Why not?
I see no reason to not think the Chiefs could win the Super-Bowl this coming year. With the right FA’s and a good draft anything is possible. Have you not payed attention to any of Aiken post’s? Damn have you not learned by now that if you think it, it will happen.
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by CPT.Caveman on Feb 8, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ROFL
oh, it COULD happen … it’s within the realm of possibility … just not the realm of “likely” given the schedule for next year
we shall see, but I wouldn’t bet the ranch on “believe it and it will happen”
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Ups, you gave me a real shocker there....
You won’t go there with the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl until they are up by 10 with :02 seconds left in the actual Super Bowl.
I know that UPS, I was merely showing the trend.
It is a good trend, one that should comfort Kansas City Chiefs fans a little bit. Though for some reason most Chiefs fans think Todd Haley is an unstable lunatic that shouldn’t call the plays because he will not have enough of his attention on his other coachly duties.
Well if being distracted by calling plays wins your Coach the Super Bowl. Sign me up.
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 8, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
Digging the comparia
It's one thing to see something wrong and have good ideas how to fix it, it's another to complain about everything because nothing is ever good enough. Look in the mirror, which one are you?
by FalconMF27 on Feb 8, 2011 12:54 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Damn mobile
Digging the comparisons. The glaring difference is obviously QB. Maybe Cassel is the QB of the future, but he isn’t elite, and probably never will be. Will we be in a position to draft an elite QB soon? Most likely, no, unless we get extremely lucky in the draft and find that diamond in the rough or trade up in the 1st round, neither if which I see happening.
It's one thing to see something wrong and have good ideas how to fix it, it's another to complain about everything because nothing is ever good enough. Look in the mirror, which one are you?
by FalconMF27 on Feb 8, 2011 12:59 AM CST via mobile reply actions
The only other thing we could do is trade our first this year
for one in 2012.
Should we? No, but that would give the Chiefs the ability to a grab a Elite QB next year and maybe get an extra third this year.
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 8, 2011 1:11 AM CST up reply actions
What elite QBs are coming out next season?
Luck…..and who?
It's one thing to see something wrong and have good ideas how to fix it, it's another to complain about everything because nothing is ever good enough. Look in the mirror, which one are you?
by FalconMF27 on Feb 8, 2011 2:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It is hard to say
they haven’t played the 2011 season yet.
Luck changed coaches he could be god awful next year, and fall a few pegs like Matt Leinart, or he could play okay like Sam Bradford and still go number one..
I am sure there will be some one year wonder QB that give everyone a popped tent..
There are not really any elite QB’s this year either. Maybe the Chiefs should trade a second for a 2013 1st and 2nd with the Redskins. ha
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 8, 2011 2:17 AM CST up reply actions
The kid from Arkansas...
He will be better than Ryan Mallet…count on it.
The kid from Arkansas will be better than Ryan Mallet?
So confused?!?
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by craig in calgary on Feb 8, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Think he meant Ryan Leaf
Since Mallet is the kid from AR. Mallet is shaky against pressure and still a bit of a gamble, but has a strong arm and may be worth taking a shot at.
Is it Tyler Wilson maybe?
I believe he played down the road from me in Greenwood, but I would have to ask my son about that. He is a good player and I hope he does make it the NFL some day.
You may be right.
The little I got to see him play last year he was impressive, but he may only be a soph, or jr. this year. Someone to keep an eye on.
It is Tyler Wilson
I believe he is a junior this season unless he was redshirted. They are very high on him and he comes from one of the best H.S. football programs in the state.
Elite QB's are made, not born.
Drew Brees was too short and couldn’t handle a pro-style offensive set—he needed to be in the spread.
Tom Brady was an untested backup.
Sure, Aaron Rogers was a shoo-in; that’s why he slid about 20-30 picks down in the first round, and was still considered a but of a gamble when he was taken.
The difference? The drive to be great, and good coaching. Matt’s got the drive; now he needs to be left in the same system and be coached up like CRAZY. Many of his foibles are fixable (footwork, continued pocket awareness)…some might not totally be (seeing the whole field). But if we put the work in, we may get an Eli Manning out of this deal. And remember, he’s a Super Bowl winner too.
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Wow
I hope you were joking about Clifton being better then Albert, theres no way that’s true. Albert is Top 10 at his position, close to Top 5. Meanwhile Clifton is not, and you’re really gonna use the pro bowl as an excuse Srsly, the same Pro Bowl we ridicule around here because its meaningless?
Clifton had been horrible last and this year during the season
But he really turned it on the last 6 games. But I agree, prior to that, he was the primary reason Rogers was running for his life. Overall, I’d say it’s a push.
You are hyping up Albert a little too much. His pass protection wasn’t exactly elite this last year.
Albert and Clifton were pretty even when it comes to pass protection but Clifton is nowhere near the run blocker that Albert is
by theaxeeffect4721 on Feb 8, 2011 12:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
Like I said Albert is Top 10 at his position overall his year was much better then Clifton’s. He’s in the upper echelon of LTs, Clifton is not. Albert is young Clifton is not, Albert has been good all year Clifton has not.
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 8, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Overall, I'm with alot of people here
We’re not far behind them. We have a far better run game and secondary, push on LB, IMO close behind them at TE, push on OL (thier line was bad during the season then beasted in the playoffs).
They have a better NT (by far) and a better QB (by far). I’m not sure about WR. Our #1 is better than any of their’s but either their unit is better than our’s as a whole or their QB makes them look that way or both. In any case, the game was very sobbering to me. This leauge is built around QBs. You don’t need one to get into the playoffs if the rest of your team is strong enough. But you won’t win it all if you don’t have an elite QB. I’m with the previous poster, trade out of the first round this year for extra picks in the 2nd and 3rd and get another 1st next year with a shot at Luck. Worst case, we can sit him behind Cassel like Green Bay did with Rogers for a couple of years. We don’t have a backup QB and if Cassel really is the man, then this will push him to the next level. Nothing wrong with competition at sports most valued position.
Dilfer and a few others have proven you CAN win it all w/o an elite QB ... BUT ... you need a VERY dominating Defense for that, we're not there on that either ... yet
But you won’t win it all if you don’t have an elite QB
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Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger are not Elite.....
Jeff Hostetler
Doug Williams
Mark Rypien
Brad Johnson
Jim McMahon
Joe Theismann all of them are not elite QB’s…. Borderline maybe, but if there is a maybe then they are not elite.
The Chies need to keep building up that defense
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 8, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
You bring up great points.
Ben and Eli (the two ‘modern’ QBs on that list) – both of those had dominating defenses with insane pass-rush. In NY’s case, the also had a bruising rushing attack (Russian Attack!) and neither one of those defenses ever gave up yards on the ground.
Still, for every example of defenses carrying their teams to championships, we can probably all come up with two teams with average defenses but elite QBs. An elite QB just gives you sooo much margin for error, you’d be daft not to try to get one.
Comparisons
I’d say that, as far as being a COMPLETE OLB, Matthews gets the nod over Tamba. We all know that Hali is a one-trick pony; good pass rusher and a liability in coverage and not-so tough against the run. Matthews seems to do all things really well.
I’d also agree that JerMICHAEL Finley is a better TE, at this point. Moeaki definitely has the makings of being Tony G esque.
Also, given production, I’d say the return game is a draw.
OK, Lets see.....
The Chiefs are way better than two years ago. But, to get to where the Packers are we still need to up grade and improve on: OT, OG, C, QB, FB, TE and RB on Offense. Our Defense will become improved if we shore up at: NT, DE, ILB, OLB and DB.
Either we need a whole lot more draft choices or a few existing players are going to have to get a whole lot better………. Roll up your sleeves guys.
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good call Steve
we will be fine as long we relpace 19 players on the starting line up
dont forget safety…ha
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 8, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa, whoa, whoa
Hold up, Trigger. He never insinuated we replace 19 guys. We only need a few guys to get better, ones that conceivably can; like Dorsey, Moeaki, TJax (I think I just threw up in my mouth), Albert and Carr. Those guys, in my mind, can improve to the point that they are better than the counterparts by next season. Now, there are a few that need to hit the scrap heap. But every position is surely hyperbole.
it was sarcasm
he listed nearly every position on the team. ha
Basically we need a great draft and some quality backups.
Once there is free agency, the Chiefs should bring in a few above average players to help this team.
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 8, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Gotcha
I disagree, though, with the notion that we need to draft back-ups. I think we need to address a few positions with the intention of replacing people. Not 19, but more like 3 or 4! LOL
Once again
I wasn’t saying we need to draft back ups, though at first all of of our draft picks will be backups….
Specifics?
hmmmmmm,
The Chiefs need a Center, Nose Tackle, Outside Linebacker, Wide Receiver, Offensive Tackle…
There are a few ways to address the center position. The easy way would be to move either Brian Waters or Jon Asamoah over. The hard way, would be to draft a center and wait for him to develop and hope Casey Weigmann doesn’t retire. If the Chiefs do not move Waters or Asamoah, then they should take a center high in the draft. Even as high as Pouncey in the first.
Nose Tackle, the Chiefs need a dominant NT. I like Phil Taylor as much as the next fan, but I do not think that the Chiefs will draft him, but you never know. I like Chris Nelid out Virginia in the 4-5th, I would not be opposed to the Chiefs drafting two NT’s and not re-signing Ron Edwards. If they go the free agent route, I like Paul Soliai and Aubrayo Franklin though neither will probably be free.
Linebacker, the Chiefs could go LB in the draft early and it is a safe pick in the first round, look at the history that Texas Chief brought up in Quickwit’s post. Aldon Smith, Justin Houston and Nancy Ryan Kerrigan would all be good picks for the Chiefs and could help from day one. If the Chiefs go the free agent route then LaMarr Woodley would be the god send, the rest are risky: Kamerion Wimbley, Manny Lawson, Justin Durant. There are some solid old guys out there: Julian Peterson, Ketih Bullock, Mike Peterson,,, However, in my opinion the Chiefs should draft a LB between the first and third round.
Wide Receiver, here for the Chiefs it is a good question. Do the Chiefs need a burner that can stretch the field or another big position receiver since Matt Cassel’s strength is short to intermediate routes? In the draft, I do not think the Chiefs will draft a receiver in the first round, though what the ‘tits’ do I know. They have some good ones including: Titus Young and Torrey Smith (if you want Burners) and Jonathon Baldwin, Leonard Hankerson, Tandon Doss and Austin Pettis (if you want Possession Receivers.) There is a lot to like about all those guys, I would take Jonathon Baldwin (Pittsburg had another great similar receiver a few years back.)
If the Chiefs go the Free Agend route in receivers there are options o’plenty. On this list you have: Sidney Rice, Santonio Homes, Braylon Edwards, Vincent jackson, Steve Smith (NY), James Jones, Mike Sims-Walker, Santana Moss, Jacoby Jones, Danny Amendola (who I like a little) Steve Breaston, Legudo Naanee, Randy Moss, Johnnie Lee Higgins, T.J. Houshmanzdadeh and Lance Moore among many others. So it seems no matter where the Chiefs go, be it the draft or FA, they have a lot of solid options. I like Steve Breaston in Chiefs red.
Finally for offensive tackle, for this one I have made up my mind for the draft. I want the Chiefs to take Derrick Sherrod in the first rounf if he is there. As far as Free agency goes: Doug Free, Matt Light, Tyson Clabo, Jammal Brown are all solid choices, especially Free. However, I would like to see the Chiefs draft Sherrod.
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 9, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Heh he must have over looked WR, maybe.
IMO the Chiefs need to only upgrade C, RT, and WR on offense. We also need to upgrade NT, OLB, and ILB on defense, we address those positions thru the FA market and draft and this team will be hard to deal with.
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Yes, it is like I said....
or a few existing players are going to have to get a whole lot better………. Roll up your sleeves guys
It takes 53, right? On D. Get a true NT and improve quality of DE play. I say we need to find another SOLB and improve the play on the inside as well. How many SB teams can succeeed with only two quality cover corners and only two Safeties.
Same can be said for Offense. We need a quality backup QB. Who thinks that we don’t need to replace TJ by the time we get where we want? Our O-Line is thin and we only have one contibutor at WR. Green Bay spread ball around to over 1/2 a dozen receivers.
Draftb alone won’t do it. FA alone won’t do it. We also need improvemnt from existing talent pool.
FA and Draft priority: NT, C, SOLB, WR, QB, RB,
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hali over matthews
he only rushes against rt whereas tamba takes on lt majority of the game
Yeah
I would say they are about the same at rushing the QB, but Clay is better definitely better against the run and is better in coverage
agreed
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Well, we have Hali for the moment
Is there a guy in this draft like Clay Mathews?
and his brother is not the right answer.
Once long ago we Drafted DT future Hall of Famer:)
RIP Derrick
Just try to STOP US
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes RIP Derrick we all miss ya!
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amen, Steve
had the pleasure of meeting him once at a school I worked at … he came in to meet some kids for his reading program (he donated literally THOUSANDS of books to schools across the nation)
had a smile that would light up a dark cave … came in wearing a sharp-cut suit and tie and you could STILL see his muscles … and just THE nicest guy in the universe
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award (I'd like to thank my producer, my director, all of my wonderful fans ... )
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
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RIP DT
Im so glad he made the Hall Of Fame….
meh...
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 8, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Coaching...
Both Pitt and GB are good at making adjustments on the fly, and they don’t run away from what is working. Two areas we must really improve upon next year.
on the fly, huh
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Owned
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Heh it worked cool:)
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